From: ZmnSCPxj <ZmnSCPxj@protonmail•com>
To: eric@voskuil•org
Cc: 'Bitcoin Protocol Discussion' <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP proposal: Timelocked address fidelity bond for BIP39 seeds
Date: Wed, 04 May 2022 04:19:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <eOgoO8s47NFSV5fH_lewnKmRPHTNq09XL6mGVrY6H9P8l0LyeXKtebXCzJkztyS3FZv3VRJVLzPXlnVcntt8CpuLdRq72-rIs2yS4AGyR_0=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <03d701d85f6c$027c5900$07750b00$@voskuil.org>
Good morning e,
> Good evening ZmnSCPxj,
>
> For the sake of simplicity, I'll use the terms lender (Landlord), borrower (Lessor), interest (X), principal (Y), period (N) and maturity (height after N).
>
> The lender in your scenario "provides use" of the principal, and is paid interest in exchange. This is of course the nature of lending, as a period without one's capital incurs an opportunity cost that must be offset (by interest).
>
> The borrower's "use" of the principal is what is being overlooked. To generate income from capital one must produce something and sell it. Production requires both capital and time. Borrowing the principle for the period allows the borrower to produce goods, sell them, and return the "profit" as interest to the lender. Use implies that the borrower is spending the principle - trading it with others. Eventually any number of others end up holding the principle. At maturity, the coin is returned to the lender (by covenant). At that point, all people the borrower traded with are bag holders. Knowledge of this scam results in an imputed net present zero value for the borrowed principal.
But in this scheme, the principal is not being used as money, but as a billboard for an advertisement.
Thus, the bitcoins are not being used as money due to the use of the fidelity bond to back a "you can totally trust me I am not a bot!!" assertion.
This is not the same as your scenario --- the funds are never transferred, instead, a different use of the locked funds is invented.
As a better analogy: I am borrowing a piece of gold, smelting it down to make a nice shiny advertisement "I am totally not a bot!!", then at the end of the lease period, re-smelting it back and returning to you the same gold piece (with the exact same atoms constituting it), plus an interest from my business, which gained customers because of the shiny gold advertisement claiming "I am totally not a bot!!".
That you use the same piece of gold for money does not preclude me using the gold for something else of economic value, like making a nice shiny advertisement, so I think your analysis fails there.
Otherwise, your analysis is on point, but analyses something else entirely.
Regards,
ZmnSCPxj
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-04 4:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-01 8:57 Chris Belcher
2022-05-01 9:43 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-01 10:01 ` Chris Belcher
2022-05-01 11:41 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-02 9:23 ` Chris Belcher
2022-05-03 5:26 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-03 18:03 ` Chris Belcher
2022-05-03 18:26 ` Eric Voskuil
2022-05-04 2:37 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-04 4:04 ` eric
2022-05-04 4:19 ` ZmnSCPxj [this message]
[not found] ` <01c401d86a5c$956ddbd0$c0499370$@voskuil.org>
2022-05-18 3:06 ` eric
2022-05-18 6:29 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-21 21:36 ` AdamISZ
2022-05-10 12:31 ` AdamISZ
2022-05-10 16:54 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-10 19:03 ` AdamISZ
2022-05-10 19:28 ` AdamISZ
2022-05-13 10:02 ` Chris Belcher
2022-05-13 12:44 ` ZmnSCPxj
2022-05-15 9:13 ` Chris Belcher
2022-05-16 0:00 ` ZmnSCPxj
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