Re: [bitcoin-dev] Small Nodes: A Better Alternative to Pruned Nodes

From: Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric@gmail•com>
To: bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Small Nodes: A Better Alternative to Pruned Nodes
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 00:45:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fbf666d7-40e1-f625-9bee-7f93e145cf6b@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAt2M1_TH=1Xw=65QxxCHMZzE-fzC3UhRaEk+KkKY2SHkN6CbQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Le 03/05/2017 à 21:10, Natanael via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
>
> Den 3 maj 2017 16:05 skrev "Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev"
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>>:
>
>     > But as you've observed, the failure probabilities are rather high,
>     > especially if an active attacker targets nodes carrying less
>     commonly
>     > available blocks. 
>
>     Wouldn't the solution be for nodes to use whatever mechanism an
>     attacker uses to determine less commonly available blocks and
>     choose to store a random percentage of them as well as their
>     deterministic random set? 
>
>     IE X blocks end of chain (spv bootstrap), Y% deterministic random
>     set,  Z% patch/fill set to deter attacks
>
>
> Then he uses Sybil attacks to obscure what's actually rare and not.

> Even proof of storage isn't enough,you need proof of INDEPENDENT storage

Yes

> , which is essentially impossible

No, the bittorrent network is a good example

> , as well as a way of determining which nodes are run by the same
> people (all the AWS nodes should essentially count as one).

No, this one is impossible and you don't care in fact, as long as the
system forbids the nodes to position themselves where they like and can
check that the nodes are behaving correctly, same people's nodes/IPs
would then just do the job

And if you add to this a rewarding system that is not necessarily
profitable then you eliminate the incentive for sybil attacking the
network (like the "tip" proposal today) while motivating those that have
the resources to run full nodes, then increasing independence


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