From: "'hashnoncemessage' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
To: Jimmy Song <jaejoon@gmail•com>
Cc: "Keagan McClelland" <keagan.mcclelland@gmail•com>,
"José Edil Guimarães de Medeiros" <jose.edil@gmail•com>,
"Richard Greaser" <thebitcoinbugle@gmail•com>,
"Bitcoin Development Mailing List" <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] HODL Tax Proposal
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2024 05:08:02 +0000 [thread overview]
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obvious troll is obvious
thanks dick greaser
> Like Paul Sztorc's previous proposals, this one has zero negative trade offs.
okay i lolled
On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 03:19, Jimmy Song <[jaejoon@gmail•com](mailto:On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 03:19, Jimmy Song <<a href=)> wrote:
> For those that haven't figured this out yet, the name on the original proposal (Dick Greaser) is the editor or the Bitcoin Bugle, a satirical "news" site. He's trolling the list.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024, 8:57 PM Keagan McClelland <keagan.mcclelland@gmail•com> wrote:
>
>> Hypothetically miners could attempt to adopt a mining/relay policy wherein they consider the age of the utxo being spent and factor that into the feerate they consider when accepting the transaction into their block template. However this would be an opt-in mechanism and miners can choose to not take this into consideration when making the choice to mine the transaction or not. If enough hashpower adopted this policy, you could end up with a de-facto demurrage tax. This also means that you can do this without a consensus fork if there was appetite for it.
>>
>> However, I suspect there will be extreme resistance to this proposal and it is unlikely that miners would intentionally leave otherwise-good fees on the table simply because they want to play prisoners dilemma games where they lose fees to the competition.
>>
>> Keags
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 5:18 PM José Edil Guimarães de Medeiros <jose.edil@gmail•com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if I should consider this a joke after the president of bitcoin thing, but I just got curious about a basic technical detail and wanted to stress the concept.
>>>
>>> Since the value "tokens" in Bitcoin are the utxos, outputs from transactions that have not been spent in another transaction, and since the sole purpose of the utxos are to atomically serve as input to a subsequent transaction, how do you proposed to "tax" them?
>>>
>>> I mean, let's say someone sent me 1 BTC to address X by building a simple p2pkh transaction with the address I provided. To move that 1 BTC mean to authorize it as an input to a new transaction. In principle, that can only be done by me producing a valid signature using a private key.
>>>
>>> Let's say I'm one of those infamous holders. How do you propose the tax to be implemented?
>>>
>>> All the best.
>>>
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>>> E...
>>>
>>>> On 1 Aug 2024, at 18:13, Richard Greaser <thebitcoinbugle@gmail•com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> It has become apparent to me that there is an issue where users of the network holding their coins, are not adding value to the network.
>>>> As miners continue to get squeezed post halving, they would benefit tremendously from fees being taken from individuals refusing to move their coins, providing increased security to the network.
>>>>
>>>> I have written out a proposal more in depth and is attached below.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> <hodltax.md>
>>>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-02 12:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-01 21:03 Richard Greaser
2024-08-01 21:59 ` José Edil Guimarães de Medeiros
2024-08-02 0:28 ` Keagan McClelland
2024-08-02 1:19 ` Jimmy Song
2024-08-02 2:03 ` George Burke
2024-08-02 5:08 ` 'hashnoncemessage' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List [this message]
2024-08-01 23:38 ` George Burke
2024-08-02 0:12 ` Keagan McClelland
2024-08-02 8:45 ` [bitcoindev] " Garlo Nicon
2024-08-01 21:55 [bitcoindev] " Christian Riley
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