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09:53 < stevenroose> andytoshi: here? on the increment commit, you mean squashing?
09:57 < andytoshi> stevenroose: no, i mean removing the method
09:57 < andytoshi> it feels un-rustc
09:57 < andytoshi> rustic
09:57 < andytoshi> do you have a usecase where it's ergonomic?
09:59 < stevenroose> Ah removing the method...
09:59 < stevenroose> Yeah, creating the iterator :D
10:01 < stevenroose> More rustic would be try_increment since it's a Result, but I don't think the method is confusing in the API.
10:01 < stevenroose> andytoshi: ^
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10:25 < andytoshi> looks good!
10:29 < stevenroose> andytoshi: is there a way to do declare a method twice with having `const` in the case const_fn is enabled (nightly) and without const otherwise?
10:30 < andytoshi> don't know
10:30 < andytoshi> you may want to ask on #rust on freenode or OFTC
10:30 < stevenroose> Even though i don't really see how having the midstate array const and then just wrap with `from_inner` is an issue. That should have 0 overhead.
10:30 < andytoshi> agreed, zero overhead
10:31 < andytoshi> it's purely a question of what will compile :)
10:31 < stevenroose> No I mean not having the internals public and just wrap-on-use
10:32 < stevenroose> #rust here is a private channel. I thought the Rust IRC was on irc.mozilla
10:36 < andytoshi> oh ##rust
10:37 < andytoshi> no mozilla is moving their IRC to some rando data collection company
10:37 < andytoshi> s/moving/replacing/
10:37 < andytoshi> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19763276
10:40 < stevenroose> whaaat
10:40 < stevenroose> IMHO it's a lot more worth it to invest a couple full-time devs in one of the open-source web IRC clients to make it better than to migrate away from it
10:42 < andytoshi> they don't cite any actual problems with IRC
10:42 < andytoshi> it is very clear that they're doing this to further isolate themselves from the wider FOSS community. they moved #rust-internals to zulip a long time ago
10:43 < stevenroose> > it is very clear that they're doing this to further isolate themselves from the wider FOSS community
10:43 < andytoshi> their stated justifications are to the effect of IRC lacking the ability to censor or edit history
10:43 < stevenroose> Really??
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10:44 < stevenroose> That's sad. Mozilla is one of the old good ones.. Or at least better ones..
10:44 < andytoshi> yes. they are migrating to 3rd party systems that require a browser + javasrcipt to use, have no local logs, cannot be accessed over ssh, and which give the hoster (and mozilla) the ability to edit history
10:44 < kanzure> i believe this is born from an assumption that they can get more users by not using irc
10:44 < stevenroose> andytoshi: I pushed the hex midstate thing. Do you agree on the from_inner convo? I'm about to log off.
10:45 < gmaxwell> they've already split up and fragmented their IRC communities by also adopting non-IRC venues.
10:45 < andytoshi> stevenroose: kk thanks i'll take a look. i think i agree on the convo (unless i misunderstood you). have a good night!
10:46 < gmaxwell> mozilla was on this path back when I worked there. there was some microsoft corporate social network thing that was sucking the less FOSSY employees off irc and splitting up communication in the org.
10:56 < stevenroose> gmaxwell: for what reasons were they migrating away?
10:56 < stevenroose> Poor IRC clients? Or missing features?
10:59 < gmaxwell> IRC doesn't integrate with notification power management and other aspects of mobile devices
10:59 < gmaxwell> and there is a large segment of the population that does a significant portion of their computing via mobile devices.
10:59 < gmaxwell> chasing that trend is also what sent mozilla down the "firefoxos" rathole.
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