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00:23 < ariard> BlueMatt: sorry I mean bolt10 assumes a DNS client speaking A,AAAA,SRV queries, I tried to reimplement them no-dependency a while ago
00:23 < ariard> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1034
00:24 < ariard> reviewing blinded route, renedez-vous scheme and hornet, I'm trying to make an opinon on this
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16:25 < BlueMatt> 'an option on this' ?
16:25 < BlueMatt> ariard: ah, dns-wise things are a mess, and, tbh, I dont know that its worth doing any implementing of.
16:25 < BlueMatt> ariard: I'm vaguely dubious that folks want to "connect to random nodes found via dns", but maybe I'm wrong.
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18:00 < ariard> BlueMatt: right, it makes less sense, assuming gossip works, you will learn about network peers
18:01 < ariard> It's likely people connect manually or will use a pre-configured list of peers, but that's less an issue you're not making security assumptions being connected to "honest"
18:01 < ariard> LN peers
18:01 < BlueMatt> well i was thinking more along the lines of "few really want a truly standalone lightning node like they do a full node - most want to connect to some nodes they think will have high uptime"
18:01 < BlueMatt> right, exactly
18:02 < BlueMatt> you'll fetch 10 good peers from 10 semi-trusted sources and connect to a random subset of them and move on with your life
18:02 < ariard> I meaned an opion, but like this different privacy schemes, the lower bound seems to be cltv/fees
18:02 < ariard> *opinion
18:02 < ariard> Like if I provide you a partial onion/blinded ones but with pre-committed fees/cltv that's make payment path far less reliable
18:03 < ariard> if sender is provided with a blinded onion but fees,cltv are wildcards, that's likely a deanonymization vector
18:04 < ariard> Yeah semi-trusted nodes are fine enough, worst-case they only gossips you their payment paths with inflated fees
18:04 < ariard> but that's easy to monitor, and not really critcial
18:55 < BlueMatt> I mean in theory fees should have a little excess in them to ranomize a tiny bit to protect privacy *anyway*, but, yea
18:55 < BlueMatt> yea, I'm frankly not a big fan of the way the various routing schemes ended up :/
18:55 < BlueMatt> not like 'people did it wrong' just 'we learned exactly what we wanted we weren't able to do'
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