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10:45 < BlueMatt> ah mozilla. firefox security releases bocked because of overly aggressive rustc dependency bumps :( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=955638#32
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17:10 < ariard> BlueMatt: updated 559 with your last review
17:10 < ariard> BlueMatt: re routing schemes, I still think we more fancier schemes to have a not-so-bad-routing-privacy
17:11 < ariard> but it's likely to add more latencies/fees, which is hard to make swallow by default to wallet focus on a great UX
17:11 < BlueMatt> latency is bad, fees...are so low paying an extra 50%, even, is probably whatever
17:11 < ariard> is there anything which needs review input?
17:11 < BlueMatt> the c-lightning knob is "cost of privacy"
17:12 < BlueMatt> ie "I'm willing to spend X more per payment to get privacy"
17:12 < BlueMatt> which I think is the right mental model
17:12 < BlueMatt> ariard: wanna review https://github.com/rust-bitcoin/rust-lightning/pull/577 ?
17:12 < ariard> yeah I'm more worried about poor-privacy if you're connected to only one LSP
17:12 < ariard> BlueMatt: good looking on this
17:13 < BlueMatt> yea, thats bad, but fuzzing fees a tiny bit can help. need to go read some of the papers on it to see if anyone has simuated results given some fuzzing of the fee values
17:13 < BlueMatt> lots of papers on guessing the desination given payment value
17:15 < ariard> yes, even fuzzing may be hard to avoid any differential fees analysis, above all if you assume an attacker who have full network data
17:15 < ariard> against mobile wallet who are pretty blind
17:16 < BlueMatt> well, hopefully they aren't *that* blind, but thats a whole other discussion
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18:12 < BlueMatt> ariard: do you want to do another pass on mpp or should I just take it?
18:14 < BlueMatt> oh i see you just left comments
18:18 < BlueMatt> ariard: re: https://github.com/rust-bitcoin/rust-lightning/pull/441#discussion_r407809335 I really think that should be an issue and we should move on. I dont think we'll ever really come up with a good solution, sadly.
18:35 < BlueMatt> ariard: github thinks 559 needs rebase
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19:52 < ariard> BlueMatt: just rebase 559
19:52 < ariard> and agree open an issue for comment, I'll do a final last review on mpp tonight or tmrw as first thing
21:19 < BlueMatt> ariard: hmm, actually nvm, see latest comment.
21:24 < BlueMatt> ariard: awesome, will review 559 tomorrow
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