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03:49 < real_or_random> roconnor: I  have a windows machine here... but no dev setup. I could try but I think sipa is right... we should have it on CI 
03:51 < real_or_random> https://github.com/mstorsjo/msvc-wine this is an interesting approach too
03:53 < real_or_random> something else: Would it make more sense to run valgrind with VERIFY not defined (than with VERIFY defined)? VERIFY changes a few structs. 
03:53 < real_or_random> The nice side effect would be that it speeds up valgrind runs
03:59 < real_or_random> oh it even has an AUR  package https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/msvc-wine-git (=inofficial Arch Linux package)
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11:50 < roconnor> real_or_random: can you add a #warning pragma or something to double check that the MSVC intrinsics are being defined?
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15:40 < hg> has any effort started to offer more comprehensive documentation for secp?
15:41 < sipa> do you mean the curve, or this library?
15:47 < hg> the library (my apologies for the ambiguity)
15:48 < sipa> and i assume you're talking about implementation details, not just the API?
15:49 < sipa> at least there is https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/blob/master/doc/safegcd_implementation.md
15:49 < sipa> which is an approach i'd like to follow for further improvements
15:50 < sipa> it isn't applicable for very low-level/representation issues, though
16:11 < hg> I suppose I mean on all fronts, but yeah
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16:39 < sipa> but in the end, the code is the best documentation
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17:46 < roconnor> I haven't found the library difficult to follow, assuming you are already familiar with the math, jacobian coordinates, and I guess the endomorphism.
17:46 < roconnor> It is mostly straight-line code and very simple data structures.
17:47 < roconnor> I guess the ecmult odd multiples table code is kinda confusing at first.
17:48 < roconnor> or maybe it is confusing period.
18:03 < robot-dreams> The WNAF thing threw me for a loop but "Guide to Elliptic Curve Cryptography" had a nice description
18:57 < roconnor> oh right.
18:57 < roconnor> okay, I guess all of ecmult is confusing.
19:02 < sipa> Math turns out to be hard.
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