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08:01 < real_or_random> meeting
08:03 < real_or_random> sipa
08:03 < real_or_random> (I think nickler can't make it today)
08:04 < sipa> hi
08:05 < real_or_random> hi
08:05 < real_or_random> any topics?
08:06 < real_or_random> our next release is due in about a month. there are two issues in the milestone: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/milestone/8
08:06 < real_or_random> - how to sign releases 
08:06 < real_or_random> - silentpayments
08:07 < real_or_random> I wonder what the status of the latter is. the PR has open comment and hasn't been updated for two months
08:07 < real_or_random> cc josie_
08:08 < sipa> hmm
08:08 < sipa> i have been working on a writeup/reading list for the secp256k1 part of the crypto camp we're organizing
08:09 < sipa> i haven't spent much time looking at the code/prs, though
08:10 < real_or_random> feel free to share, I can see if I have anything to add
08:12 < sipa> so far i've mostly managed to explain groups and fields, which i think will be useful for the general group too: https://gist.github.com/sipa/677d909b50fac636bc8612a5850be648
08:12 < sipa> i plan to add a bunch this week 
08:15 < real_or_random> looks great so far
08:16 < real_or_random> not super relevant, but interesting for background are also https://www.secg.org/sec1-v2.pdf  and https://www.secg.org/sec2-v2.pdf
08:16 < sipa> ah yes, i definitely need to link those
08:18 < real_or_random> some random thoughts:
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08:19 < real_or_random> - I guess you plan to mention the homomorphism between the the scalar field (well, group) and the curve
08:20 < sipa> yep
08:20 < real_or_random>  - (I'd just write 0 for the point at inf, no need for another symbol.  But it's a matter of taste :D)
08:20 < real_or_random>  - mention that sometimes this is written multiplicatively. people will be confused when they look at a paper
08:21 < sipa> writing 0: i used the wikipedia article's notation, but yeah, probably overkill (and 0 is easier to type)
08:21 < sipa> writing additive/mutliplicative for ec group: yes, was planning to do that
08:22 < real_or_random> "The group operation must be fully defined:" ... maybe "closed"? I think fully defined is a bit misleading
08:22 < sipa> better, will do
08:22 < real_or_random> or just say that + is an op GxG -> G... it's not even a "condition" in that sense
08:23 < real_or_random> pointers to https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/blob/master/sage/secp256k1_params.sage and perhaps other sage files will be nice
08:24 < sipa> good idea
08:25 < real_or_random> this is for reading before the event?
08:25 < sipa> indeed
08:26 < real_or_random> ok, then I think the level is adequate. if that's new to you, you won't get everything and you don't need to remember everything. but it's good to have seen all of it
08:26 < sipa> i have no idea yet what to do/talk about at the event itself, but probably some part talking about code organization / project priorities / API stuff, and some part picking one more advanced algorithm (like SDMC) and diving deep into that
08:26 < sipa> the event itself will just be 2 days
08:26 < sipa> for the secp256k1-specific part
08:27 < sipa> but also, getting feedback from people reading this prework material may help guide what level/interest exists
08:28 < sipa> thanks for the comments! i think i'll address all of it
08:28 < real_or_random> yeah, jonas talked to me about his part. it's just hard 
08:28 < real_or_random> and a lot of stuff.
08:28 < sipa> do you plan to attend?
08:29 < real_or_random> i'd love to but it looks like I won
08:29 < real_or_random> I won't be able
08:29 < sipa> yeah, i understand
08:29 < real_or_random> I'm happy to do one or two remote sessions (or more,  but it's probably a bit weird to have long remote sessions) 
08:29 < sipa> agreed
08:30 < sipa> maybe you can attend the prework sessions? as those are remote anyway
08:30 < sipa> and help answer questions or so
08:30 < real_or_random> ah yeah
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08:31 < real_or_random> initially we thought about  forking lemma/ schnorr proof as a topic for me. but jonas told me nadav wants to cover this even in the prework session
08:31 < sipa> right
08:31 < real_or_random> but perhaps I could with that then, if it's remote anyway
08:35 < sipa> yeah
08:45 < sipa> addressed your comments (in some cases by just adding TODOs)
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