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00:42 < stratospher[m]> fjahr: maybe because secp256k1_effective_nonce is an internal function (only used in that file) + not exposed as an API to the user?
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02:29 < real_or_random> fjahr: experimental modules: That's a good question and we've discussed this a lot in the past. I don't think there's a definitive conclusion but having experimental modules hasn't proven to be as useful as hoped for 
02:30 < real_or_random> so perhaps the way to go is not to introduce any experimental modules anymore. (I'd ACK this but not sure if everyone would) 
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04:57 < fjahr> stratospher[m]: There are a lot of other functions in the file that have the musig prefix but are not used anywhere else. The naming without the prefix rather would suggest to me that it's a shared function used by other modules but then it should be placed outside of the musig module. My best guess is that it was planned to be shared but then moved into the module after some refactoring but the name wasn't changed.
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05:01 < fjahr> real_or_random: thanks, yeah, I guess the conversation isn't very important right now since the bar for adding a new module is so high that anything really experimental wouldn't have a chance anyway. I was just curious if I was missing something. The option can still be there in case it makes sense in the future. But I will suggest in the PR that the batch module drops the experimental part.
05:04 < sipa> fjahr: for context, the idea behind experimental modules was that they make no promises regarding ABI stability, despite being (optionally) enabled in releases, allowing them to mature independently without creating an API promise
05:11 < fjahr> sipa: thanks, the API stability ankle is something I hadn't fully considered yet. But it still feels like currently new modules are maturing a lot before being merged and downstream projects like core make use of the API right away, so even if they are experimental when the PR is opened they probably won't be anymore by the time they are actually merged.
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05:34 < sipa> fjahr: core pins the version, so it doesn't care about API stability
05:34 < sipa> but yes
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10:12 < bitcoin-git> [secp256k1] furszy opened pull request #1734: Introduce (mini) unit test framework (master...2025_unit_test_framework) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/1734
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12:12 < bitcoin-git> [secp256k1] john-moffett opened pull request #1735: musig: Invalidate secnonce in secp256k1_musig_partial_sign (master...musig-partial-clear-nonce) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/1735
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