--- Log opened Sun Feb 07 00:00:38 2021 01:20 -!- jonatack [jon@gateway/vpn/airvpn/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] --- Log opened Sun Feb 07 03:57:28 2021 03:57 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined ##taproot-activation 03:57 -!- Topic for ##taproot-activation: discussion about various activation proposals, community outreach, and general next steps to gain adoption. logs: http://gnusha.org/taproot-activation/ . Technical discussions about taproot itself belong in ##taproot-bip-review. 03:57 -!- Topic set by moneyball [sid299869@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-whutuxnrmoxirczs] [Mon Jul 13 15:30:34 2020] 03:57 [Users ##taproot-activation] 03:57 [ _0x0ff ] [ emzy ] [ kabaum ] [ raj_149 ] 03:57 [ Abelian ] [ ensuremoonrise[m] [ kallewoof ] [ rich ] 03:57 [ achow101 ] [ fanquake ] [ livestradamus ] [ roasbeef ] 03:57 [ aj ] [ felixweis ] [ luke-jr ] [ robert_spigler] 03:57 [ ajonas ] [ fiatjaf2 ] [ maaku ] [ roconnor ] 03:57 [ amiti ] [ fjahr ] [ mblackmblack ] [ rodarmor ] 03:57 [ andytoshi ] [ gambpang ] [ mdrollette ] [ RubenSomsen ] 03:57 [ b10c ] [ ghost43 ] [ meshcollider ] [ sanket1729 ] 03:57 [ belcher_ ] [ gnusha ] [ michaelfolkson] [ sanketcell ] 03:57 [ bitconner ] [ GoldmanSats__ ] [ midnight ] [ schmidty ] 03:57 [ bob333 ] [ grubles ] [ mol_ ] [ sturles ] 03:57 [ bsm117532 ] [ gwillen ] [ moneyball ] [ sword_smith ] 03:57 [ CARO1 ] [ harding ] [ Murch ] [ takinbo ] 03:57 [ cdecker ] [ hebasto ] [ nehan ] [ virtu ] 03:57 [ common ] [ hugohn ] [ nickler ] [ wangchun_ ] 03:57 [ CubicEarth ] [ isuldor ] [ niftynei ] [ waxwing ] 03:57 [ darosior ] [ Jackielove4u ] [ nkuttler ] [ willcl_ark ] 03:57 [ DeanWeen ] [ jakesyl ] [ nothingmuch ] [ windsok ] 03:57 [ devrandom ] [ jamesob ] [ phantomcircuit] [ wraithm ] 03:57 [ DMN737 ] [ jigawatt ] [ pigeons ] [ wumpus ] 03:57 [ dr_orlovsky] [ jkczyz ] [ pinheadmz ] [ yunier2002 ] 03:57 [ drolmer ] [ jonasschnelli ] [ provoostenator] 03:57 [ Ed0 ] [ jrawsthorne ] [ queip ] 03:57 [ elichai2 ] [ justinmoon ] [ rabidus ] 03:57 -!- Irssi: ##taproot-activation: Total of 93 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 93 normal] 03:58 -!- Channel ##taproot-activation created Sun Jul 12 07:53:03 2020 04:00 -!- Irssi: Join to ##taproot-activation was synced in 160 secs 04:07 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined ##taproot-activation 05:34 -!- cle1408 [~cle1408@41.251.197.171] has joined ##taproot-activation 05:51 -!- cle1408 [~cle1408@41.251.197.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:56 -!- MN99 [~textual@cpe589630a45781-cm589630a4577f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##taproot-activation 05:58 -!- MN99 [~textual@cpe589630a45781-cm589630a4577f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:03 -!- cle1408 [~cle1408@41.251.197.171] has joined ##taproot-activation 07:31 -!- jonatack [jon@gateway/vpn/airvpn/jonatack] has joined ##taproot-activation 07:31 -!- jonatack [jon@gateway/vpn/airvpn/jonatack] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has joined ##taproot-activation 07:44 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 07:50 -!- jonatack [jon@gateway/vpn/airvpn/jonatack] has joined ##taproot-activation 07:55 -!- jonatack [jon@gateway/vpn/airvpn/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08 -!- cle1408 [~cle1408@41.251.197.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:39 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has joined ##taproot-activation 08:43 -!- darosior [~darosior@194.36.189.246] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 08:44 -!- darosior [~darosior@194.36.189.246] has joined ##taproot-activation 08:44 -!- darosior is now known as Guest26616 08:46 -!- Guest26616 [~darosior@194.36.189.246] has quit [Client Quit] 08:59 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has joined ##taproot-activation 09:33 -!- darosior [~darosior@194.36.189.246] has joined ##taproot-activation 09:33 -!- darosior is now known as Guest71009 10:26 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:27 -!- Guest71009 is now known as darosior 10:36 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 10:52 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has joined ##taproot-activation 11:51 < luke-jr> michaelfolkson: I think everything is ready for code review btw 11:52 < aj> luke-jr: bleh, added a couple more commits to bip8-fixes 11:52 < aj> luke-jr: (versionbites_tests missed update for -vbparams change) 11:52 < luke-jr> I fixed that 11:52 < luke-jr> regardless, it will be ready by the time of any review meeting :P 11:52 < aj> ah, yay! 12:13 < luke-jr> aj: btw, I am intentionally basing on my branch-0.21 tag to ensure clean merges to both master and v0.21.* 12:14 < luke-jr> hmm, I wonder how to support 0.20 across Taproot 12:24 < luke-jr> argh, backporting it is annoying 13:20 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36 < aj> luke-jr: nod 13:36 < aj> luke-jr: "0.20 across taproot" ? parse error 13:37 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined ##taproot-activation 13:37 < kanzure> michaelfolkson: feb2 surely, not feb3 https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018380.html 13:56 < luke-jr> aj: support 0.20, across Taproot 13:56 < luke-jr> aj: ie, 0.20.3 with Taproot support 13:59 < luke-jr> seems like a nightmare 14:21 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has joined ##taproot-activation 14:25 < aj> luke-jr: you'd need to backport taproot to it, which would be a pain on its own, and a bit more than a point-release style upgrade anyway? 15:17 < michaelfolkson> luke-jr: Cool, thanks. I'll take a look 15:18 < michaelfolkson> kanzure: Right, that's a typo. The first meeting was on Feb 2nd yeah, not Feb 3rd 15:25 < aj> (was feb 3rd here!) 15:27 < michaelfolkson> Ha. Deliberate hat tip to our Asia Pacific friends 15:40 < luke-jr> aj: yeah, that's what hte pain is :P 15:40 < luke-jr> aj: sipa went wild with Span stuff etc 15:41 < luke-jr> aj: softforks are always treated as bugfixes 15:48 < aj> sure. i mean there's older versions of the code you could probably still find and backport, but the effort you'd need to put into verifying 0.20.x+taproot was okay doesn't seem much less than you'd need to verify 0.21 at that point, so a backport doesn't seem very useful 17:22 < luke-jr> aj: so what are we going to do? simply say 0.20 is EOL sooner? XD 17:27 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined ##taproot-activation 17:37 < aj> luke-jr: i think if we set timeoughtheight > 0.20 EOL, there's no problem? taproot only activates prior to 0.20's EOL with 90/95% hashpower, and 0.20 considers taproot tx's non-standard, so everything works fine? 17:37 < aj> presumably EOL should be around 2022-01-15 so 1year timeout or longer would work fine 17:39 < aj> (or maybe 2022-03-15 would be more plausible? 23.x's release date + 2 months?) 17:39 < luke-jr> aj: that'd make sense for startheight.. 17:41 < aj> no, i mean timeoutheight 17:41 < luke-jr> if Taproot activates, that's a security break in non-Taproot nodes 17:42 < luke-jr> if 0.20 isn't EOL, then 0.20 needs fixing 17:42 < aj> the important thing is continuing to follow the main chain and not creating a higher risk of non-trivial reorgs; both of which are fine given hashpower-based activation 17:42 < luke-jr> no, that's a light wallet 17:44 < luke-jr> I suppose startdate 2021-07-04 (target 22.0 of 2021-08-01 minus 2 weeks LOCKED_IN minus 2 weeks signal) isn't *too* bad 17:44 < luke-jr> startheight equivalent to* 17:44 < aj> that's maintenance end, not eol 17:44 * luke-jr revisits https://bitcoincore.org/en/lifecycle/ 17:45 < aj> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20851 <- 22.0 schedule 17:46 < luke-jr> I don't know that we have a policy for when EOL occurs 17:46 < aj> "when we remember, after two releases" i think... 17:46 < luke-jr> so I guess we could just say 0.20 will be EOL when Maint end 17:46 < luke-jr> or semi-EOL in the sense of not getting Taproot 17:51 < aj> right, CSV activated july 2016, but was only included in 0.12.1+, but 0.11 was still supported until august 2016, and 0.10 and 0.11 didn't hit EOL until 2017 17:51 < robert_spigler> After reading through all of the messages, I am strongly in favor of LOT=true due to 1) the risk of the chain split of LOT=false; 2) what I see as the weak argument of needing to campaign miners to exit the fork in case of discovering a flaw (activation discussion is separate from review & this further centralizes miners); 3) users enforce rules, not miners; and 4) activation is independent from consensus 17:51 < robert_spigler> - if users/miners/businesses have issues with Taproot, those issues should have come up during one of the many reviews/meetings, and those individuals should not upgrade to the (minor) release to enforce their transactions. Miner signalling is merely for a coordinated, faster upgrade (which can be signalling nothing, let's remember). 17:58 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined ##taproot-activation 18:01 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.166.147.52] has joined ##taproot-activation 18:41 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.67.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:48 < luke-jr> woohoo, CI passes https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19573 20:11 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.166.147.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:26 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:27 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined ##taproot-activation --- Log closed Mon Feb 08 00:00:23 2021