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04:18 < conman> Hi all, for taproot mining pool support, apart from signalling in the version bits, is there anything new that is needed for constructing blocks once it's activated as we did for segwit requiring the witness commitment?
04:18 < conman> just asking more specifically compared to what I asked in #bcd
04:20 <@michaelfolkson> conman: If the current Speedy Trial deployment meets the signaling threshold then Taproot will activate in November. On activating it will be important to verify Taproot transactions (SegWit v1) are meeting the Taproot rules
04:21 <@aj> conman: upgrade to 0.20.1 or later prior to block 709632
04:21 <@aj> 0.21.1 even
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04:21 <@aj> conman: (though 22.0 should be out by then)
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04:22 <@michaelfolkson> There is no change like the witness commitment in Taproot. Just a new SegWit version (1) and new transaction verification rules for that new SegWit version
04:32 < conman> great. I've prepared .21.1
04:33 < conman> haven't deployed yet because my pool software expected flags to still be in GBT response
04:33 < conman> easy enough to fix tho
04:37 <@michaelfolkson> conman: Cool
05:14 < conman> there, that should do it
05:25 < conman> with the one block per year my pool solves, it will make all the difference
05:29 < mol_> :D
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05:49 <@michaelfolkson> conman: Hopefully all small pools follow your lead. With 90 percent threshold needed every little counts ;)
05:49 < conman> pretty sure I won't solve a block before activation :sweat:
05:59 < belcher> thanks for contributing to miner decentralization
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06:38 < Emcy> conman good lad
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08:54 < CubicEarth> So we went with a 90% threshold for ST, which is a MASF... but this fails and we go for a UASF, isn't that just saying we would accept any amount of hashpower that joins, even if it was less than 50%?
08:54 < CubicEarth> Am I understanding that correctly
08:54 < CubicEarth> ?
08:56 < luke-jr> CubicEarth: with enough time, it doesn't matter what [former] miners do
08:57 < luke-jr> the point of miner activation is to activate sooner than would otherwise be safe
08:57 < warren> BTW anyone published what miner brand/model has the firmware issue where it can't signal?
08:57 < CubicEarth> Sure. But why ask for 90% if later we accept any percentage. Why not set the threshold at 80% for the MASF?
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09:15 < luke-jr> CubicEarth: because until later, it's important miners protect nodes that haven't upgraded yet
09:16 < luke-jr> and once we've reached the "everyone should be upgraded" threshold, there's no reason to care what miners do at any %
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09:27 < CubicEarth> seems like a less risky approach would be to try for a lower threshold than 90% if 90% doesn't work
09:28 < CubicEarth> we shouldn't lump "miners" in one group when it comes to tallying total hash power, at least in the sense that miners would have 'failed' to reach 90%
09:29 < CubicEarth> imagine that 80% of miners supported taproot, and the US Government was openly mining at 20%, and they objected to taproot, and would not signal
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09:31 < luke-jr> CubicEarth: it's not less risky
09:32 < luke-jr> CubicEarth: if 80% of mines support Taproot, they enforce the softfork via UASF; that's fine
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11:33 < sturles> Looks like just over half of the hashrate is signalling already.  Very promising.
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19:14 < murch> t
19:16 < murch> Yeah, given that the difficulty reset is in about five days, the mining pool engineer might actually be back out of their holiday by then
19:16 < murch> But I would be surprised if it works in the next period, probably gonna take another or two
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19:18 < murch> 4 out of the top ten still not signaling, two out of the signaling six still only partially
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