--- Day changed Sun Dec 15 2019 00:33 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 01:04 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 02:46 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:32 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 04:13 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@i577BC699.versanet.de] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 05:22 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 05:25 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 05:57 -!- ZmnSCPxj [~ZmnSCPxj@180.190.49.93] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 06:20 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:43 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 06:54 < pinheadmz> Question about the script tree diagram in https://github.com/sipa/bips/blob/bip-schnorr/bip-taproot.mediawiki#constructing-and-spending-taproot-outputs 06:55 < pinheadmz> the node labeled "AB=0x71" -- is that not also a hash-TapBranch like the CD and CDE nodes? 07:03 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 07:03 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:03 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 07:12 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:26 < pinheadmz> ooh I see its explained in the comments, but maybe add that to the diagram? 07:31 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:32 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 08:53 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 08:55 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@i577BC699.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:57 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 09:08 < sipa> pinheadmz: both the merkle branches in spv proofs and here are serialized bottom to top 09:16 < sipa> oh, no 09:16 < sipa> sorry! 09:20 < sipa> in bip37 things are indeed serialized top down 09:24 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:26 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 09:27 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@176.113.74.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:39 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 09:46 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 09:58 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59 -!- orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@91.235.142.210] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 10:04 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@50.3.173.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 10:37 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 10:37 -!- orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@91.235.142.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:38 < pinheadmz> sipa: are you referring to my PR this morning? re: example order of hashes in the control block? 10:42 < sipa> yeah 11:37 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@i577BC699.versanet.de] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 11:45 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@37.46.115.6] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 11:46 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@50.3.173.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@37.46.115.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49 < pinheadmz> yeah taproot is inside out :-) I dunno why I kept expecting to see the hashes left-to-right... dummies like me gonna need an example 11:51 < sipa> i never realized that the encoding in bip37 and bip-taproot is the reverse order, despite having designed both :) 11:51 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@91.235.142.210] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 11:52 < sipa> it just seems so natural to do it bottom up, as that's what the verifier needs 11:53 < pinheadmz> right and the algo starts with k0 being the leaf we execute, so it wouldnt make sense the other way 12:10 -!- orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 12:12 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@91.235.142.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:22 < ZmnSCPxj> Really old backreading from 2019-11-22: so you can run different lightning implementations in parallel and both have to sign for an update (transparently, without telling the other node that you're doing that) 14:23 < ZmnSCPxj> Context is discussion about MuSig-in-MuSig i.e. composable MuSig 14:23 < ZmnSCPxj> It seems not possible to not telling the other node about this, as both signatures need to have the same `R` so you can combine their `s` together, I think...? 14:24 < ZmnSCPxj> ...unless you feed an `R` to both implementations, I suppose. 15:28 -!- orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@194.230.155.171] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 16:03 -!- b10c [~Thunderbi@i577BC699.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:22 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@unaffiliated/bluematt] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 17:11 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@c-67-180-60-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:39 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19 -!- rottensox [~rottensox@unaffiliated/rottensox] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 19:07 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08 -!- andrewtoth_ [~andrewtot@gateway/tor-sasl/andrewtoth] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 19:41 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined ##taproot-bip-review 20:08 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: aj, maaku, jkczyz, willcl_ark, belcher, luke-jr, yaslama, soju_, tecnovert 20:22 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:26 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined ##taproot-bip-review