--- Day changed Sat Sep 20 2008
01:09 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing
01:29 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/SAGA_hybrids.pdf SA/GA hybrids. "[EAV91] introduces a generic method similar to this one and shows that SA (simulated annealing) can be viewed as a special case of GA (genetic algorithms) with population size 1 where the only operator is mutation". 
01:36 < kanzure> http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=SERIES9612&type=series&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=3419166&CFTOKEN=30177381 table of contents of stuff that clearly should be pirated
01:36 < kanzure> especially since it's talk like a pirate day
02:26 < Nofaris_> :)
02:40 < bkero> I'll pirate you.
02:40 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
02:46 < bkero> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gilsqkmOF4s
15:15 < willPow3r> i tried to convince my gf to talk like a pirate in mandarin
15:15 < willPow3r> but the effort was in vain
17:48 < kanzure> Hi all.
17:49 < kanzure> Chinese pirates still exist, you know, willPow3r
18:08 < elias`> I'm looking for some small-ish laptop for lecture notes and such, any recommendations?
18:09 < willPow3r> elias`: http://www.switched.com/2008/05/05/lenovo-u110-hands-on-and-overview/
18:10 < willPow3r> i have one of these (in red though) and love it
18:10 < willPow3r> i use it and a wacom for all note taking etc
18:10 < willPow3r> pdf versions of my books are found online via torrents
18:11 < willPow3r> so all i carry to school is a 3 lb laptop, 1 lb wacom, and a binder for handouts etc
18:11 < ybit> hp 2133 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_2133_Mini-Note_PC 
18:11 < ybit> msi wind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_PC
18:12 < ybit> asus eee pc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_EeePC
18:12 < ybit> i'm going to get one of those for next semester
18:13 < ybit> i have been taking notes on my old thinkpad t41, but 11lbs is too much to lug around with my other books. my backpack weighs 27lbs according to the scales yesterday
18:13 < ybit> i find it odd that i'm the only one taking notes with a laptop in class
18:14 < willPow3r> i hear these are cost effective: http://olpc.com/pictures.html
18:14 < ybit> ah yes, glad you mentioned it willPow3r
18:14 < ybit> i would really like one of those, especially for the viewable screen outside
18:14 < willPow3r> yeah, so would i
18:15 < ybit> they are supposed to be on sale soon
18:15 < ybit> kind of like last year where you buy one for about $350 and they donate one 
18:15 < willPow3r> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7599652.stm
18:28 < willPow3r> i'm going to steal one of those OLPC laptops from an african child if i ever travel there
18:32 < kanzure> hey, quick heads up guys
18:32 < kanzure> does anyone remember my concept of 'wikipeding' ?
18:32 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wikipeding
18:32 < kanzure> people may be coming in here under the assumption that this is #wikipeding
18:35 < kanzure> hm, there's a #freeculture
18:36 < kanzure> Hey mindspillage
18:36  * mindspillage waves
18:36 < kanzure> ybit: 11 lbs is hardly enough to lug around. And a T41 comes in handy in class. 
18:36 < kanzure> As long as it doesn't have a fan, that is.
18:36 < kanzure> I was sitting next to a fellow yesterday who has this fan that revs every time he loads a page in Firefox
18:37 < kanzure> And my fan is constantly going, so I just use other people's laptops (in exchange for word-for-word notes) in class
18:37 < willPow3r> probably needs to clean his cpu heatsink/fan
18:37 < kanzure> maybe
18:37 < kanzure> But how do you explain my situation? ;-)
18:37 < willPow3r> what is your situation?
18:37 < kanzure> Two giant fans underneath and dualcore Intel
18:37 < willPow3r> oh, nm
18:37 < ybit> :P
18:38 < kanzure> willPow3r: Fans constantly on, you can hear them across any room it's in
18:38 < willPow3r> your laptop weighs 11 lbs?
18:38 < ybit> mine does
18:38 < willPow3r> wtf
18:38 < ybit> yeah
18:38 < willPow3r> does it fit in your backpack?
18:38 < kanzure> http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/M675/3501731sp75.shtml
18:38 < ybit> yep
18:38 < kanzure> 8.8 pounds
18:39 < willPow3r> i thought gateway == chapter 11
18:39 < willPow3r> guess not
18:39 < willPow3r> kanzure, you could get one of those laptop cooler pads
18:39 < kanzure> Oh crap, where am I going to get replacement power cords? These things break all the time. I've had to hotwire three or four of them together at one point since they break all the time in different ways.
18:40 < kanzure> willPow3r: Yeah, I've had one since 2006 underneath the laptop everywhere I go. Except, sometime in 2007 it broke and no longer has the USB connection, so I've been lugging around dead hardware. Oops.
18:40 < willPow3r> hmm
18:40 < willPow3r> no chance for a new laptop altogether?
18:40 < ybit> okay, mine weighs 5lbs
18:40 < ybit> just pit on the scales
18:40 < willPow3r> i was going to say
18:41 < willPow3r> i used to have a 7 lb laptop that was built in 02
18:41 < willPow3r> with a P4/2.8 GHz
18:41 < willPow3r> that thing was so noisy and a total PITA to carry around
18:41 < ybit> ah, it was phreedom who made a joke about my laptop weighing 11lbs, that's what i was recalling, anyway 5lb+ is too much
18:41 < willPow3r> but just replaced it with a lenovo u110 ultraportable
18:42 < willPow3r> 11.1" screen, 3 lbs, 5 hr charge
18:42 < kanzure> 5 hr charge? Gah.
18:42 < willPow3r> thats with heavy use
18:42 < kanzure> but yes, P4/2.6 GHz. 
18:42 < kanzure> So it was probably also 2002.
18:42 < kanzure> Who puts a P4 in a laptop anyway?
18:42 < kanzure> That's a bad idea.
18:42 < willPow3r> dell
18:43 < willPow3r> it was good for a desktop replacement
18:43 < ybit> willPow3r: u110 up = very nice
18:43  * ybit likey
18:43 < kanzure> Yeah, my up time is 1 hr.
18:43 < willPow3r> yes, i love it 
18:43  * kanzure goes back to reading about simulated annealing
18:43 < ybit> max uptime here without suspending it is ~3-4hrs
18:44  * willPow3r heads to IKEA
18:44 < willPow3r> ybit, thats not bad really
18:44 < ybit> no, i was surprised
18:44 < willPow3r> bet you still can't get through a dvd though
18:44 < ybit> heh, that's true
18:44 < ybit> mostly because my dvd player doesn't even work now :P
18:45 < willPow3r> can you just pull it out and not have to carry around the extra weight?
18:45 < ybit> thought about it
18:45 < ybit> but then i don't want to put duck tape on my lappy to cover a hole
18:45 < willPow3r> why not? duct tape is stylish these days
18:46 < willPow3r> esp when holding together high tech electronics
18:46 < ybit> looks slightly redneck, and i'm already in the heart of the south
18:46 < ybit> hehe
18:46 < kanzure> ybit: Just run some CFD simulations all the time and be lost deep in thought. You'll look mad scientist instead of redneck.
18:46 < ybit> ^_^
18:47 < mindspillage> Use black duct tape. That's what I do. :-)
18:47 < willPow3r> or you could get some parachute pants and grow a beard and be like de Grey
18:47 < kanzure> http://news.ucf.edu/UCFnews/index?page=article&id=00240041039ca8f29011b0d8a566806b65&mode=news <-- Another university has a biodiesel project of their own. Started w/ 3 students. Produces 60 gallons every 2 days. Uses left-over vegetable oil. 
18:47 < kanzure> Which is odd since that's our biodiesel project's plan too. Oops.
18:47 < kanzure> Except we're planning to do about 2,000 gallons/yr. 
18:48 < kanzure> So they're doing about 10 times as much as what we're thinking of doing.
18:48 < kanzure> Oh well.
18:48 < kanzure> 'Although one of the students' reactors will remain on campus to fuel the university's fleet, some of them have systems in their garages that will continue to power their vehicles and serve as the base for their new company's operations'
18:52 < ybit> willPow3r: is linux running on your lappy?
18:52 < willPow3r> not on my new one
18:52 < ybit> ah, so you have retained the "face recognition biometric logins" feature
18:52 < willPow3r> the x3100 chipset drivers hadn't been developed yet on ubuntu
18:53 < willPow3r> that visual recognition is really more of a nonfunctional selling point
18:53 < kanzure> How is it a selling point, then?
18:53 < willPow3r> i took it off since it increased startup time by like, 5 mins
18:53 < willPow3r> kanzure: it's on the product features list?
18:54 < kanzure> Wouldn't people point out that it fails to work?
18:54 < willPow3r> since i use my laptop mostly in low-light situations, it couldn't recognize my face
18:55 < willPow3r> but most corporate users probably wouldn't have problems at all with it
18:58 < willPow3r> as you can see, my work environment is somewhat dark: http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/hackers11.jpg
18:59 < willPow3r> http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/hackers08.jpg too
19:00 < ybit> where do you wrok again?
19:00 < ybit> it looks like a retro 90s chuck-e-cheese playplace
19:00 < ybit> but slightly cooler
19:00 < willPow3r> http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/movie/decade/1990-1999/hackers/
19:00 < willPow3r> heh
19:01 < ybit> ah :P
19:01 < ybit> hackers
19:01 < ybit> that movie was..meh
19:01 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/quotes.html#successful_designer <-- Something I found in an ancient book in the library.
19:01 < willPow3r> ftw
19:01 < ybit> hehe
19:01 < ybit> it was alright
19:01 < kanzure> willPow3r: Is that a link to the Hackers setup?
19:02 < willPow3r> yea, with that amazing new 3d filesystem explorer
19:02 < kanzure> No, I guess it isn't.
19:02 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/interfaces.html
19:02 < willPow3r> i saw that page of yours
19:03 < ybit> the matrix setup is my fav so far
19:03 < willPow3r> i'll stick w/ thunar tho for now
19:06 < willPow3r> fsck. late^2. bbl
19:09 < kanzure> willPow3r: You've been up for four days, what do you mean "late" ?  :)
19:12 < willPow3r> i'm supposed to take my gf to ikea @ 10, which was 2 hrs 12 mins ago
19:29 < kanzure> 'Author Joe Haldeman, in his science fiction novel The Forever War, describes fluid being introduced into all 7 natural orifices in the human body, and one surgically-added connection, through which the thoracic cavity would be filled and drained. In such a situation, the fluid in the lungs would have to be pumped in and out to provide an inspiration/expiration cycle (total liquid ventilation). Alternatively blood could be oxygenated extracorporeal
19:29 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing#Space_travel
19:30 < kanzure> (because I was mentioning the Iron Man suit to a buddy, he brought that up)
20:44 < kanzure> http://www.matweb.com/WebServices/Materials.asmx?op=FindMaterials
20:44 < kanzure> Woah, are they actually using SOAP?
20:44 < kanzure> I'm somewhat impressed
20:51 < kanzure> this is a somewhat challenging site
22:34 < fenn> this guy has a nice worldview (too bad part 2 is missing from web archive): http://web.archive.org/web/20060706154616/danimalarchive.blogspot.com/
22:35 < fenn> bonus points for whoever figures out of i'm being sarcastic or not
22:36 < kanzure> fenn's back?
22:36  * kanzure tries for nsh now
22:37 < fenn> hello. hurricane ike got me (see phone line under tree in foreground): http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0818.JPG
22:38 < kanzure> '"The initial organization of the brain does not rely that much on experience...Nature provides a first draft, which experience that revies...'Built-in' does not mean unmalleable; it means organized in advance of experience." (Marcus, 2004)' 
22:38 < kanzure> hm
22:38 < kanzure> fenn: "don't die" is a good idea, fwiw
22:39 < kanzure> you missed NY Times Magazine being interested in #hplusroadmap
22:41 < fenn> lol i can see the headlines now
22:41 < kanzure> re: ike? you were kind of the subject of those headlines, I think you knew before the newspapers did
22:43 < fenn> er, what? why are you playing into my paranoid delusion fantasies?
22:44 < fenn> logs! warrrrg
22:45 < kanzure> you want the logs?
22:45 < fenn> it would help me to understand what you're talking about maybe?
22:45 < kanzure> not re: ny times, he actually just came in and idled for a day or so
22:47 < kanzure> fenn: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/logs.zip
22:47 < kanzure> log formats suck, btw
22:50 < kanzure> ybit: Thanks for the heads up.
22:50 < kanzure> Mind contacted me wanting a chat on the spot
22:50 < kanzure> to his ustream channel
22:52 < kanzure> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-evening-update
22:56 < kanzure> hm, on the ustream video of Kaku's silly BBC series, there's a lab that decided to do regenerative tissue growth via mounting tissues on balloons as a growing scaffold for shape
23:03 < ybit> he wants to give you an interview now? [kanzure]
23:03 < kanzure> about 30 minutes ago
23:03 < kanzure> had to fiddle with the microphone
23:03 < ybit> awesome
23:03 < kanzure> he left before I got it working
23:03 < ybit> glad he finally got around to interviewing you
23:03 < ybit> grr
23:06 < ybit> there should be a national speak in Python day ;)
23:14 < kanzure> does anyone remember the old theorem solvers that people called ai?
23:16 < kanzure> was there ever a study of just automatically generating all possible proofs up to some size?
23:16 < kanzure> http://metamath.org/ or something
23:17 < kanzure> '  Essentially everything that is possible to know in mathematics can be derived from a handful of axioms known as Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, which is the culmination of many years of effort to isolate the essential nature of mathematics and is one of the most profound achievements of mankind.  '
23:17 < kanzure> "everything that is possible to know in mathematics"
23:18 < kanzure> why is there only 8000 steps in the db?
23:18 < kanzure> ' the Metamath Proof Explorer has over 8,000 completely worked out proofs in logic and set theory,'
23:20 < kanzure> fenn: I do not understand the danimalarchive link. He jumps from rape in marriage to silly iraq stuff to ..
23:22 < fenn> its a collection of snippets from his usenet postings
23:23 < fenn> i was always suspicious of math proofs
23:23 < kanzure> math in general is suspicous
23:23 < kanzure> the way that it's taught in classrooms is ridiculous
23:25 < kanzure> and why isn't all of math ML'erized yet? mathml and such
23:25 < kanzure> latex, even
23:25  * fenn would like something readable
23:26 < kanzure> oh, the twobits.net author showed up on the diybio mailing list
23:26 < fenn> apparently people from asian cultures occasionally use chinese characters as symbols in their equations
23:26 < kanzure> bastards
23:34 < kanzure> fenn also see #diybio
23:34 < kanzure> maradydd used to work at IDT and has been growing some cultures in her -80 c fridge she scoped off of craigslist
23:35 < kanzure> she's also the latest person to download the git repository and yell at me for how badly it needs to be fixed
23:36 < fenn> i hope you had your deflector dish aimed properly
23:40 < kanzure> hm?
23:40 < kanzure> oh, yes
23:40 < kanzure> I was just happy enough that somebody from diybio.org agrees with me about repositories
23:41 < kanzure> she knows somebody doing something like /exp.html except he's working mainly on "interfaces between parts". I've contacted him, but he hasn't replied yet
23:56 < kanzure> so, fenn, I've been back to trying to do matweb.com
23:56 < kanzure> erm
23:56 < kanzure> this didn't work out well
23:56 < kanzure> am trying to zip my work up
23:57 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/matweb/matweb.zip has everything
23:57 < kanzure> including a log made by wireshark, the tcp spy program
23:58 < kanzure> in particular I'm just starting with http://www.matweb.com/search/MaterialGroupSearch.aspx
23:58 < kanzure> just trying to retrieve the index that they display there
23:58 < kanzure> they are using a combination of AJAX and ASP and shared namespaces that make me think they might know what they're doing (in their mission of obfuscation)