--- Day changed Sun Oct 26 2008
00:14 < kanzure_>  I wonder why this is taking so long to compile.
00:16 < kanzure_> Hi world.
00:17 < wrldpc> hey bryan.
00:18 < wrldpc> bryan, do you game?
00:18 < kanzure_> Anything in particular?
00:19 < wrldpc> mmorpg
00:19 < kanzure_> Nah, I haven't played an MMORPG in years.
00:20 < wrldpc> play Go?  any history with game design?
00:20 < kanzure_> Lots of history with game design.
00:20 < kanzure_> Love affair with game design.
00:20 < wrldpc> :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_board_game
00:33 < kanzure_> Ah, it's hanging on the perl compile.
01:30 < wrldpc> I am cultivating my programming ability.
01:43 < kanzure_> Are you?
01:51 < wrldpc> Very .. slowly.
01:52 < wrldpc> I am, by and large, uninitiated into such pursuits.
01:53 < kanzure_> You're initiating only now?
01:54 < wrldpc> LOL no.
01:54 < kanzure_> Then why did you just say that you aren't initiated?
01:54 < wrldpc> I took a Pascal class in high school LOL ... Basic in elementary .. hahaha ... 
01:54 < kanzure_> You took classes?
01:54 < wrldpc> aye
01:55 < kanzure_> I don't think classes count.
01:55 < wrldpc> agree
01:55 < wrldpc> it's all personal pursuit?
01:59 < kanzure_> Yes, but no, there's some sort of reality distortion field caused by 'formal education'.
02:00 < bkero> http://learnyouahaskell.com/chapters
02:00 < bkero> Learn yourself a haskell for great good.
02:01 < wrldpc> copy
02:01 < wrldpc> i agree, bryan.
02:05 < wrldpc> "zencat: Women can go thru cubic stacks of money, especially with the princess complex" LOL!
02:13 < wrldpc> hey splicer
02:14 < wrldpc> How does haskell set me up for perl?  they seem functionally equivalent.
02:14 < kanzure_> Haskell equivalent to perl?
02:15 < kanzure_> Advantages of perl include http://perlmonks.org/ and http://cpan.org/ and http://slashdot.org/ .. what does haskell have? Atoms?
02:16 < bkero> Er
02:16 < bkero> perl is kind of functional
02:16 < bkero> Haskell is a functional language.  Perl is mostly procedural.
02:16 < kanzure_> I don't know if he was referring to it in formal terms.
02:16 < bkero> If you've ever written object-oriented perl you'd know what I'm talking about.
02:17 < bkero> I'm learning haskell so I can write better perl. :)
02:17 < wrldpc> cool.
02:17 < wrldpc> thank you.
02:17 < wrldpc> who programs the programmers?
02:18 < bkero> Metaprogrammeres
02:18 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/quotes.html
02:18 < bkero> http://bacongeek.com/
02:18 < kanzure_> "I am programmer, program, and that which is programed."
02:18 < wrldpc> I hate myself.
02:18 < kanzure_> Re: metaprogrammers, see Metacoders.mp3
02:18 < kanzure_> wrldpc: ?
02:18 < wrldpc> heh
02:18 < bkero> bkero has not been recorded in quote.
02:19 < kanzure_> bkero: Pardon?
02:19 < wrldpc> I can't fit these blocks into the holes!!!  ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
02:19 < wrldpc> ;P
02:19 < wrldpc> epic
02:20 < kanzure_> Was there a bkero quote that I should have on therE?
02:20 < kanzure_> *there?
02:20 < bkero> Of course
02:21 < bkero> I'm great.
02:30 < Splicer> hi wrldpc.. sorry for the lag
02:30 < Splicer> hehe.. not here any more I see
02:42 < bkero> Of course we are.
02:47 < wrldpc> They're arguing about cars in #electronics.
02:47 < wrldpc> I'm like, "none of these cars can even hover."
02:48 < bkero> Do you know anything about electronics and programming?
02:48 < bkero> I'm looking to get the contents of a register from my chipset.
02:49 < bkero> I have a memory offset for the register, but I can't find out where the memory region of the chipset begins.
02:51 < fenn> is there a datasheet for the chip?
02:52 < fenn> should be several hundred pages of dry technical detail
02:52 < bkero> Looked it over
02:53 < fenn> celldesigner.org looks pretty cool, why dont we just use that
03:02 < Splicer> Interesting licence: http://celldesigner.org/license.txt
03:03 < Splicer> It looks like a very cool piece of software though
03:15 < bkero> Warning:  Shitty license alert.
03:16 < wrldpc_> What's a name of clear fluid that is highly acidic?
03:18 < fenn> wrldpc_: "acid"
03:18 < wrldpc_> heh
03:18 < fenn> they're mostly clear
03:19 < wrldpc_> fenn you're so trite ;-)
03:19 < fenn> hydrochloric, acetic, sulfuric
03:20 < bkero> lysergic
03:22 < kanzure_> fenn: I wouldn't mind stealing the methods in their source.
03:24 < gene_> http://arxiv.org/abs/0810.3035
03:24 < gene_> hasn't been tried yet
03:24 < gene_> wonder if it works
03:24 < gene_> HOLY CRAP
03:25 < gene_> http://arxivblog.com/?p=684
03:25 < gene_> screw biobricks
03:25 < gene_> let's play with amoebas
03:25 < fenn> what does slime mould have to do with biobricks?
03:26 < gene_> it looks like they got some sort of circuit??
03:26  * fenn waves hands frantically
03:26 < fenn> so does every other lifeform
03:27 < gene_> I guess neither you or I understands the paper
03:28 < Splicer> "A few years ago a Hungarian team showed that slime mold was able to find the shortest way through a maze."
03:28 < Splicer> I think I want to try with snot
03:30 < gene_> amoeba are fairly smart
03:30 < gene_> maybe more so than your snot
03:33 < kanzure_> What the hell is smart?
03:33 < Splicer> I wonder what use an amoeba in the wild would have of remebering intervals
03:33 < kanzure_> Argh. VH1classic ad for "help us cure autism" sponsored by KISS .. grumble grumble
03:33 < kanzure_> Anyway,
03:35 < kanzure_> I was going to complain about something else, but then I got distracted with circuit handwaving.
03:38 < Splicer> (I thought Jenny McCarthy had already cured autism)
03:38 < kanzure_> Who now?
03:38 < Splicer> She used to be in playboy I think
03:38 < Splicer> ..married to Jim Carrey
03:45 < kanzure_> Anybody know about Cloud Cult?
03:50 < Splicer> Cloud Cult-Chemicals Collide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMskKuG6Vsc
04:27 < fenn> i dont see what is so amazing about marcin's 4 page word doc
04:27 < kanzure_> "open source ecology" mention on openmanufacturing?
04:29 < fenn> ya
04:29 < kanzure_> me either. I just ignored it.
04:34 < kanzure_> it looked like a money request
04:37 < fenn> it's "gimme $20k and i'll give you a fork() button"
04:38 < fenn> in this case the process you're forking is "how to make the tools to make a brick press"
04:38 < kanzure_> if it forks down to the root, and he has evidence of this, then that's grounds for starting a discussion of course
04:38 < fenn> he doesnt have a working design yet(?)
04:38 < kanzure_> sounds like a pre-emptive hostage scenario
04:39 < fenn> rational street performer protocol, sloppily executed
04:58 < fenn> hey, how big is books/bio?
05:03  * kanzure_ checks
05:04 < kanzure_> 3.8 GB
05:07 < drazak> kanzure_: can you send me the rest of the chem books, when you get a chance? and probably the bio books?
05:07 < kanzure_> drazak: http://heybryan.org/books/chem/
05:07 < kanzure_> drazak: http://heybryan.org/books/bio/
05:10 < kanzure_> How do I symlink a dir? Regular ln never works for this.
05:10 < drazak> ln -s
05:10 < kanzure_> ah, ln -s
05:10 < kanzure_> crap
05:10 < drazak> although, iirc
05:10 < kanzure_> drazak's answer doesn't count because of alt-switching-lag.
05:11 < drazak> apache doesn't recognize symblinks all the time
05:11 < drazak> I had issues with it a coupla times
05:14 < drazak> ok, I'm going to rape your upload later tonight
05:15 < fenn> you need Options FollowSymLinks in the directory with the symlink
05:15 < fenn> everyone gang-bang kanzure's server!
05:17 < gene_> ewww
05:17 < gene_> gross
05:19 < drazak> fenn: yeah
05:19 < drazak> fenn: it decides to work without that sometimes
05:28 < kanzure_> fenn: yes, I have FollowSymLinks turned on
05:28 < kanzure_> fwiw.
05:29 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/ now has an index. small slice of the goods.
05:36 < kanzure_> ybit: http://heybryan.org/books/
05:36  * kanzure_ is fixing the SPOF issue.
05:37 < ybit> hi kanzure
05:38 < ybit> that's a new link to me, thanks
05:41 < kanzure_> It's not quite everything. Feedback welcome .. I cna go dig around for Other Stuff.
05:53 < gene_> anyone know a cheap photoresist?
05:53 < gene_> and where to get a lot of copper coated polymide?
05:54 < kanzure_> Added some more to the directory index. Have fun.
05:56 < drazak> gene_: if you're making circuit boards, glossypaper+laserprinter is almost as good as photoresis, and cheaper
06:03 < wrldpc_> Awesome!  You have fusionanomaly .. is this updated anymore?
06:04 < kanzure_> I suspect atomjack is dead.
06:04 < kanzure_> He never replies to emails, and his site doesn't appear to be updated.
06:04 < wrldpc_> Did Aubrey ever answer your question about Sci-Fi?
06:04 < kanzure_> Scuse me?
06:05 < wrldpc_> http://heybryan.org/books/Aubrey/kanzure_questions.html
06:05 < kanzure_> Oh, no.
06:05 < kanzure_> The Damien Broderick thing.
06:05 < wrldpc_> nd.  My interactions with him .. aye yea
06:06 < wrldpc_> My interactions with him went from cool to clipt ... if that's even a word.
06:06 < wrldpc_> Which it's not.
06:06 < wrldpc_> clipped.
06:07 < kanzure_> ?
06:09 < kanzure_> I don't grep.
06:10 < drazak> kanzure_: the word is grok
06:10 < kanzure_> grep as in parse
06:10 < kanzure_> grok != parse
06:11 < drazak> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grok&usg=AFQjCNH0ShPvJHH4oOtXs3j47Hggpo_1Lg
06:12 < wrldpc_> He was very GTTFP I could be in the lab right now, in fact, I probably am.
06:13 < wrldpc_> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grok
06:20 < kanzure_> Even more added.
06:32 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/fakemon/ heh'
07:29 < UtopiahGHML> gene_ (damn he's offline) : "real" mini-tachikoma here : http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-15646-Put+a+Tachikoma+on+Your+Desk!.html
07:29 < UtopiahGHML> it would actually rock to have it like + as a widget + as a website assistant :D
07:32 < UtopiahGHML> (well this one doens't move though...)
08:56 < fenn> holy gigabooks batman!
13:21 < kanzure_> fenn: Sadly does not include gigabooks.
13:21 < kanzure_> Hi amaruk .
14:05 < kanzure_> http://heybryan.org/books/biobricks/types/
14:05 < kanzure_> Hah. Well now.
14:05 < kanzure_> Turns out I already did the work.
19:43 < UtopiahGHML> The PeerVM project is an ongoing effort at the ACIS Laboratory at University of Florida,Gainesville which brings together the recent advances in the fields of Peer-to-Peerrouting technologies,Virtualization and Grid technologies in an attempt to build a Planetary Scale Distributed, Self-Configurable, and Decentralized Virtual Infrastructure.
19:43 < UtopiahGHML> http://boykin.acis.ufl.edu/wiki/index.php/PeerVM
21:27 < kanzure_> Me is back.
21:27 < kanzure_> UtopiahGHML: Interesting.
21:28 < kanzure_> Grumble grumble. Fight Freiza and Comic Book Guy or write email to grandmother about "Life, the universe and everything".