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07:53 < kanzure> nice to see david cary posting to om
08:05 -!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: " ... and so was born the Second Law of the Civilized Worlds, which was that Man could not stare too long at the faces of the Computer or her children, and still remain as Man."
08:08 -!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: I am program, programmer, and that which is programmed.
08:09 < katsmeow-afk> who wrote that first one?
08:09 < katsmeow-afk> medicinedrum.tribe.net ?
08:10 < katsmeow-afk> Damien Broderick - 2001 - Literary Criticism - 466 pages ?
08:11 < kanzure> David Zindell
08:11  * katsmeow-afk hasto go salvage parts from two IBM 370 data storage cabinets,, 12inch+ harddrives, 240v powersupplies, 500lbs
08:11 < kanzure> (is the author of both)
08:11 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: good luck.
08:11 < kanzure> bring me back a souveniour.
08:11 < katsmeow-afk> thanks
08:11 < kanzure> preferably not the 500 lb gorilla though
08:11 < katsmeow-afk> prolly useless, but i can retask parts
08:12 < katsmeow-afk> the pwr supply capacitors in these things are each larger than 10 modern 2.5 harddrives taped together
08:13 < katsmeow-afk> there's 2 24inch fanfold printers too, scrapped
08:40 < kanzure> todo: fix find-all-cutsets.py unit test errors
08:40 < kanzure> add in a few more unit tests from the papers (er, for given successful cutsets I mean)
08:41 < kanzure> then throw in some code for the extract-state-quations.py script
08:41 < kanzure> *equations
08:41  * kanzure waddles off
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09:29 < ybit> "Inkjet Printing of Viable Mammalian Cells" http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.biomaterials.2004.04.011
09:33 < ybit> http://filebin.ca/gprkwz
10:05 < ybit> anyone have access to "Three dimensional MEMS microfluidic perfusion system for thick brain slice cultures." :: http://www.springerlink.com/content/v822077208022653/
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10:57 < Traveler25> http://transhumanistforums.com/hplusroadmapchat/
10:58 < Traveler25> now you have a URL to send people to, with a java applet that lets them connect directly to this chatroom
11:00 < Traveler25> (or did you already have a java chat applet at another URL?)
11:03 < Utopiah> you can add http://mibbit.com/chat/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23hplusroadmap if you want too, works well
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11:07 < Traveler25> thanks
11:25 < Traveler25> bye
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14:55 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/newin7/content/IntegratedGenomicAndProteinData/
14:55 < katsmeow-afk> you can search for Search in wolfram
15:20 < xp_prg> hell ya kats!
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17:32 < kanzure> rawr
17:34 < fenn> THUNDARR
17:34 < fenn> (the barbarian)
17:38 < kanzure> 804 bytes/sec. all 804 of them!
17:39 < kanzure> this message took 18 seconds to transmit
17:42 < kanzure> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Inkjet%20printing%20of%20viable%20mammalian%20cells.pdf
17:43 < kanzure> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/%20Three%20dimensional%20MEMS%20microfluidic%20perfusion%20system%20for%20thick%20brain%20slice%20cultures.pdf
17:44 < kanzure> "weird places microfluidics.tar.gz shows up on kanzure's filesystems"
17:45 < kanzure> place #1: /home/bryan/lab/functionCAD/microfluidics_2009-06-01.zip
17:46 < kanzure> er, did you remove it from /home/bryan/lab/functionCAD/ already?
17:52 < kanzure> so here's a line of output from find-all-cutsets.py
17:52 < kanzure> function cutset: graph is  <graph object [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] [(6, 4), (4, 6), (5, 7), (4, 7), (7, 4), (7, 5), (4, 2), (5, 3), (2, 4), (3, 5)]>
17:52 < kanzure> the first part of the pygraph.graph object is a list of the nodes in the graph
17:53 < kanzure> the second part is a list of pairs where each pair specifies an edge
17:53 < kanzure> here's the following line of output from the program:
17:53 < kanzure> removing: fromNode =  4  toNode =  6 
17:53 < kanzure> er I guess it's important to mention that the order of the nodes in those arc tuples is (from, to). 
17:53 < kanzure> er
17:54 < kanzure> right, so
17:54 < kanzure> it first removes (6,4)
17:54 < kanzure> then the graph looks like this:
17:54 < kanzure> function cutset: graph is  <graph object [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] [(5, 7), (4, 7), (7, 4), (7, 5), (4, 2), (5, 3), (2, 4), (3, 5)]>
17:54 < kanzure> then it tries to remove (4,6) for some reason
17:54 < kanzure> I'm not quite sure why. obviously pygraph is smart enough (with del_edge()) to delete both backwardly and forwardly
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18:02 < kanzure> :set number
18:03 < kanzure> pstree
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18:20 < kanzure> addiction: http://sata.serveftp.org/~bryan/vim.txt
18:34 < kanzure> "split" is a nifty tool. don't know how well it operates with --bytes=2147483648 though
18:40  * ybit just got back from a long day at work, thanks for the fetching one of the MEMS paper kanzure
18:40 < kanzure> wait, what about the other one?
18:41 < ybit> i already had access to it :P
18:41  * ybit had posted the link
18:41 < kanzure> bah.
18:42 < ybit> thanks for it too, happy? ;)
18:42 < ybit> tornado siren is going off
18:42 < kanzure> we don't get our own tornado sirens :(
18:42 < ybit> too bad it's only 100 yards away from my house
18:43 < ybit> i could die tonight, just to let you all know this 
18:43 < ybit> because i'm not taking shelter
18:43 < kanzure> if you give me your coords, the x-jet can be there in 3 minutes 
18:43  * ybit wants to eat and read the MEMS paper
18:43 < ybit> haha
19:01 < xp_prg> anyone have any video of this inkjet printing of cells?
19:08 < ybit> sorry william, can't find one, didn't really search too hard, but you might try emailing the lead researcher and if he sends some multimedia your way, share it with us :)
19:08 < ybit> i've yet to read it index.ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/10/28058/01254003.pdf
19:08 < ybit> "Characterization of Implantable Microfabricated Fluid Delivery Devices"
19:10 < xp_prg> I saw it!
19:10 < xp_prg> its at the bottom!
19:11 < xp_prg> oh man do I want to do that!!!
19:11 < xp_prg> that just made my whole day
19:14 < ybit> the bottom of?
19:15 < ybit> congrats, we both had our whole day made (i wasn't blown away)
19:18 < ybit> a few interesting papers listed :: http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mnphys/publications/index.html
19:19 < kanzure> neurotransmitter receptor and field-effect transistor interface
19:19 < kanzure> hah
19:19 < xp_prg> you weren't blown away, why?
19:19 < kanzure> that's sufficiently awesome
19:19 < kanzure> xp_prg: because the tornado didn't hit me.
19:19 < kanzure> what's so hard to understand
19:19 < kanzure> *hit him
19:19 < xp_prg> kanzure what is this neurotransimitter thing what?
19:19 < kanzure> what are you asking?
19:20 < xp_prg> neurotransmitter receptor and field-effect transistor interface
19:21 < kanzure> what about it?
19:21 < xp_prg> tell me more about it please, how does that work?
19:21 < kanzure> well how about you read the paper?
19:21 < ybit> read the paper :P
19:21 < kanzure> http://www.biochem.mpg.de/mnphys/publications/09peifro/index.html
19:21 < kanzure> what the fuck is wrong with you
19:21 < kanzure> gah
19:22 < xp_prg> kanzure do you understand how the inkjet printer works with cells?
19:22 < kanzure> which inkjet printer?
19:23 < kanzure> ybit: none of those titles of the abstracts or paper thingies are showing up on google scholar, even the one that was published in 2007
19:23 < kanzure> are we sure those papers are published?
19:23 < xp_prg> http://singularityhub.com/2009/06/08/growing-organs-in-the-lab/
19:23 < kanzure> oh, I haven't read that yet
19:23 < kanzure> how about you read the paper?
19:23 < xp_prg> you posted it
19:23 < kanzure> okay?
19:23 < kanzure> you don't even read my emails
19:24 < kanzure> you asked me "what's this email about"
19:24 < xp_prg> yes I do!
19:24 < kanzure> before even reading it today
19:24 < kanzure> uh?
19:24 < kanzure> I got an email today from some guy named tim asking "what is this about" re: the electronics workbench inventory
19:24 < xp_prg> oh man, you taking the excitement out of this
19:24 < kanzure> it was all over diybio
19:24 < kanzure> well maybe you should just read the emails first :)
19:24 < kanzure> just saying. it kind of helps.
19:24 < kanzure> it also makes things more exciting to read.
19:24 < xp_prg> ya but electronics workbench to do what?
19:24 < ybit> heh
19:25 < kanzure> what the fuck man
19:25 < kanzure> ybit: do you understand me?
19:25 < xp_prg> you mentioned getting an electronics workbench, but you didn't explain what it was for
19:25 < kanzure> why not just read wikipedia
19:25 < ybit> kanzure: yup, plenty of info on teh interwebs
19:26 < kanzure> ybit: so I think we can agree that I shouldn't have to explain this to xp_prg 
19:26 < kanzure> it doesn't seem particularly hard to understand, or to google or anything
19:26 < kanzure> rtfm and stfu
19:26 < xp_prg> kanzure you mentioned getting electronics equipment but you never mentioned what you wanted to use it for *sigh*
19:26 < kanzure> so what?
19:26 < kanzure> what does that have to do with reading the email
19:26 < kanzure> all that I said is that you didn't read it
19:26 < xp_prg> I did read it
19:26 < kanzure> you just said "what is electronics for" or something
19:27 < xp_prg> too hard I give up
19:27 < kanzure> ok so don't bug me if you're going to give up
19:27 < kanzure> go away
19:28 < kanzure> Field-Effect Transistor with Recombinant Potassium Channels: Fast and Slow Response by Electrical and Chemical Interactions 
19:29 < kanzure> huh Google Scholar is now "Google scholar" for some reason
19:29 < kanzure> (in the logo)
19:33 < kanzure> that wasn't as cool as I thought it would be
19:34 < kanzure> I thought it would have been a transistor binding to some binding domain on an ion channel protein thingy
19:35 < kanzure> "Imaging neuronal seal resistance on silicon chip using fluorescent voltage-sensitive dye "
19:35 < kanzure> (voltage sensitive dyes are pretty neat in general)
19:35 < kanzure> "Enzyme Induced Staining of Biomembranes with Voltage-Sensitive Fluorescent Dyes "
20:17 < kanzure> http://192.168.1.108/svn-co-cmd.sh
20:39 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/python-graph/downloads/list?can=4&q=&colspec=Filename+Summary+Uploaded+Size+DownloadCount
20:52 < fenn> scrood graph theory
20:54 < kanzure> scrood?
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21:03 < kanzure> ok, now to make up unit tests that intentionally fail, or something
21:04 < fenn> unit tests, then ship it, then "bug fixes" to enable the actual features
21:04 < kanzure> do we get to charge for the actual features before shipping?
21:05 < kanzure> todo: run autoscholar science pdf paper reader thingy on giant television (instead of dumb tv)
21:10 < kanzure> gah there's such a thing as a "cycle cutset"
21:10 < kanzure> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cutset-2.svg
21:10 < kanzure> guess that'll be a test
21:11 < kanzure> dah? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cutset-4.svg
21:11 < kanzure> it's a "decomposition method" apparently
21:12 < kanzure> how do I find where it is used? "What links here" doesn't have anything really
21:12 < kanzure> but does that mean that no page includes it as an image?
21:12 < kanzure> or just about linking?
21:15 < fenn> uh oh
21:15 < fenn> Since you haven't been a student in recent years, it is taking extra time to get your appointment through the system.  I'm hoping that everything will be straightened out by the next go-round.
21:15 < kanzure> uh?
21:17 < kanzure> can you forward that to me?
21:18 < kanzure> aha. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition_method_(constraint_satisfaction)?uselang=en thanks #wikipedia
21:18 < kanzure> although I'm not happy it leads to an article about constraint satisfaction problems
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22:09 < DrTread> Is the graph theory gone? Is it safe to come back in teh interwebz nao?
22:15 < kanzure> no
22:15 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLIW
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22:25 < DrTread> ok, i'll stay clear
22:26 < DrTread> lessee... if we have 256 bit instruction word, we could pretty well take up the known universe with the hash table
22:27 < DrTread> but we could compute anything with only a few dozen clock cycles
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23:05 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-length_encoding
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23:30 < kanzure> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2705.html
23:30 < kanzure> hi digitaltao 
23:30 < digitaltao> hello there
23:31 < kanzure> you seem to be in my geographical area, would you like to take over the city with me tomorrow?
23:31 < kanzure> we launch at dawn.
23:32 < digitaltao> sounds, epic. 
23:32 < digitaltao> nefarious plans are indeed abound. 
23:34 < digitaltao> who will hack the gibson o_O?
23:34 < kanzure> the guy with the beard 
23:34 < kanzure> (the unix hacker)
23:35 < digitaltao> you have a beard! 
23:35 < digitaltao> i elect you.
23:35 < kanzure> woah, hold on that
23:35 < kanzure> er
23:36 < digitaltao> -holding.......
23:41 < DrTread> kanzure he's right. you DO have a beard. #iranelection has shown you the way.
23:41 < DrTread> now start taking over.
23:46 < digitaltao> lulz
23:47 < digitaltao> anyone in here familiar with the ybox?