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00:56 < kanzure> nick and steve idn't tel me that cloudfab was launching today
00:57 < kanzure> *teel
00:57 < kanzure> "You can pull a file from Thingiverse to try it out."
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01:11 < kanzure> "My name is Maggie Koerth-Baker. I'm a science journalist and
01:11 < kanzure> contributing editor to BoingBoing.net. I'd like to write a story about
01:11 < kanzure> DIY synthetic biologists, and their relationships (or lack thereof)
01:11 < kanzure> with professional scientists."
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05:43 < JayDugger> Hello, everyone.
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07:05 < kanzure> "Has anyone made a DIY version of the Festo iFab? It's a 3DOF parallel robot (instead of the serial cartesian thing) that doesn't look hard to build, but Festo's is the only one I've seen.
07:05 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txF78s-QczU "
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08:19 < genehacker> yup someone has
08:19 < genehacker> I don't know if they ever put an extruder on it though
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08:58 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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09:55 < ybit> a $30k laser cutter on instructables: http://www.instructables.com/id/CO2-laser-that-cuts-sheet-metal/
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11:21 < faceface> hey ya
11:21 < faceface> http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v7/n3s/abs/nmeth.f.301.html
11:21 < faceface> Visualizing biological data--now and in the future
11:22 < faceface> check fig 1
12:22 < kanzure> http://www.festo.com/cms/en-us_us/10312_10347.htm festo ifab
12:22 < kanzure> meh
13:02 < kanzure> yay for cabextract
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13:45 < fenn> awww i missed the QS show&tell
13:45 < fenn> *bonk*
13:48 < fenn> kanzure: please powercycle tubputer whenever is convenient
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14:19 < kanzure> ooh ooh google fails! says that mac wrote something that eric wrote
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14:28 < kanzure> fenn: tubputer is go
14:29 < marainein> can i ask what the tubputer is?
14:43 < kanzure> it's a tub with a computer in it
14:45 < marainein> it's not made out of biological components or anything?
14:54 < kanzure> well it has some dead bugs on the bottom
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15:28 < bkero> I think you guys emailed this guy asking to open his code.  http://kotaku.com/5501295/love-is-the-game-that-earns-you-respect-breaks-the-world-of-warcraft-rules
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15:41 < strages> omg
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15:43 < bkero> http://www.quelsolaar.com/love/gameplay_video.html
15:43 < bkero> That looks fantastic
15:46 < fenn> yeah i doubt the guy will ever do anything bmore with it though
15:53 < kanzure> http://thereifixedit.com/
15:53 < bkero> If he made it right he shouldn't have to.
15:53 < bkero> Procedurally generated content.
15:53  * kanzure is in wuv with procedurally generated content
15:53 < bkero> kanzure: Where'd you find some?
15:53 < kanzure> i was writing my own content generator back in "the day"
15:54 < kanzure> for an mmorpg i was working on
15:55 < kanzure> can anyone on windows install this and send me a .zip of the contents? http://download.8020.net/AutoQuoterX1081112.zip
15:55 < bkero> wine doesn't decompress it?
15:55 < kanzure> 17:03 < bdesk> kanzure will save us from the relentless shortening of our telomeres with his singularity-accelerating self replicating universal 
15:55 < kanzure> 17:03 < bdesk> kanzure will save us from the relentless shortening of our telomeres with his singularity-accelerating self replicating universal fabricators
15:55 < kanzure> bkero: i can unzip it and get out a .exe
15:56 < kanzure> wine can run the .exe and it will then extract setup.exe and a .msi
15:56 < kanzure> setup.exe fails because it wants autocad to be installed
15:56 < fenn> lots of interesting stuff here http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/GSOC_OpenCV2010
15:56 < kanzure> running the .msi on its own fails because it has to be running while setup.exe is running
15:56 < kanzure> i can extract some files from the .msi, but only dlls and other bullshit
15:56 < kanzure> apparently on windows you should be able to extract everything from the .msi file
15:57 < kanzure> in particular i'd like to see the *actual* autocad plugin and whatever data it is using
15:57 < kanzure> opencv made gsoc2010. huh
15:58 < kanzure> there's not many college students these days that are going to be using boost
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16:08 < kanzure> Skp2 targeting suppresses tumorigenesis by Arf-p53-independent cellular senescence
16:08 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/Skp2%20targeting%20suppresses%20tumorigenesis%20by%20Arf-p53-independent%20cellular%20senescence.pdf
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17:49 < kanzure> so!
17:50 < kanzure> i hate "science journalism" as much as the next person
17:50 < kanzure> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uotm-dsg031510.php
17:50 < kanzure> oh look, no link to the pdf
17:50 < kanzure> i've written a tiny server to deal with this issue
17:50 < kanzure> just prepend http://designfiles.org:8085/ to the bullshit
17:50 < kanzure> so:
17:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org:8085/http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uotm-dsg031510.php
17:51 < kanzure> there's a bookmarklet in a link on this page for firefox users: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/science_news_resolver.html
17:51 < kanzure> just drag and drop that into a bookmarklet bar and click whenever your bullshit detectors start acting up
17:52 < kanzure> it of course also works without the bookmarklet, like
17:52 < kanzure> http://www.physorg.com/news188678841.html
17:52 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org:8085/http://www.physorg.com/news188678841.html
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19:29 < fenn> !help
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19:44 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:59 < kanzure> hello JayDugger 
19:59 < kanzure> hi fenn 
19:59 < kanzure> hope you two can find some use in my "science journalism hatred" server thingy
20:05 < fenn> papers are a waste of time
20:06 < fenn> rawr
20:06 < fenn> the connection to davinci sucked at two locations; this can only mean it's under heavy load
20:06 < kanzure> there's some typing lag going on but it's not much (i also thought it was just heybryan.org's fault)
20:07 < JayDugger> ?
20:07 < JayDugger> Sorry, I missed all of that.
20:07 < kanzure> we have looogs now :)
20:08 < fenn> why is ursula leguin consiered a science fictionw riter?
20:08 < fenn> kanzure: did youse order circuitspecialsits yet?
20:08 < kanzure> no :(
20:08 < kanzure> also, my assistant has cut out on me
20:08 < kanzure> i didn't have her under any particular contract
20:09 < fenn> well, i've been buying stuff at inflated local prices because supposedly i'm spending someone else's money
20:09 < kanzure> uh
20:09 < kanzure> why are you doing stupid things?
20:09 < kanzure> california is not the place to spend money fenn..
20:10 < fenn> it's <$50
20:10 < kanzure> what is 'it'?
20:10 < kanzure> anyway i'm wondering if i should look for a new assistant or not
20:11 < JayDugger> Fenn: LeGuin wrote science fiction, some quite good.
20:11 < fenn> usb serial dongle, null modem cable, ribbon cable adapter (10 pin), 5mm bolt, springs, tubing, set screws, allen keys.. blah blah blah
20:11 < kanzure> oh, stuff stuff
20:11 < kanzure> righto
20:12 < JayDugger> She has a distinctive style, heavy on characterization, and very short on preaching.
20:12 < fenn> short on preaching my ass
20:12 < JayDugger> E.g., The Left hand of Darkness, The Lathe of Heaven.
20:12 < kanzure> 'lathe of heaven'? rofl
20:12 < kanzure> #hplusroadmap nethack edition
20:12 < fenn> the whole of "wizard of earthsea" was preaching
20:13 < kanzure> ........@......D.....
20:13 < kanzure> ........@.....D......
20:13 < kanzure> ........@....D.......
20:13 < kanzure> ........@...D........
20:13 < kanzure> ........@..D.........
20:13 < kanzure> quick someone do something!
20:13 < fenn> is that your penis shrinking?
20:13 < kanzure> ........@.D..........
20:13 < JayDugger> That's her fantasy work.
20:14 < kanzure> .....D...@...........1
20:14 < kanzure> fuck i screwed up i think
20:14 < fenn> is it a feynman diagram?
20:14 < kanzure> it's #hplusroadmap nethack edition
20:14 < kanzure> can't you tell? :(
20:14 < JayDugger> Man...no.
20:14 < fenn> what does D stand for?
20:14 < JayDugger> I just uninstalled nethack and angband from my phone.
20:14 < kanzure> dragon
20:16 < JayDugger> It'd seem more appropriate to have Santa Claus guarding a hall of RepRaps.
20:16 < fenn> kanzure: i have an idea.. you send me a credit card and i buy stuff with it :P
20:18 < kanzure> actually, i might as well
20:18 < JayDugger> kanzure, Did you get value returned on the money and time you spent using an assistant?
20:19 < QuantumG> and is assistant a euphemism?
20:19 < kanzure> assistant is not a euphemism
20:19 < kanzure> i didn't spend any money on her, it was kinda a trial thing for starters
20:20 < JayDugger> Okay, was the time you spent worth it?
20:22 < kanzure> no not really, i'll have to start with someon else now
20:22 < kanzure> *someone
20:22 < JayDugger> Hmm...well, remember you could hire someone to do quotidian tasks, and not just professional aid.
20:22 < JayDugger> You might save more time by hiring a maid than an assistant.
20:23 < fenn> hire an indian in india
20:24 < JayDugger> Yeah, you might see if Ferris's new edition of 4-hour work-week has any good tips.
20:24 < fenn> then ask him a bunch of math questions and ramble about ramanujan constantly
20:24 < kanzure> http://getfriday.com/
20:24 < kanzure> http://b2kcorp.com/
20:24 < kanzure> http://www.catchfriday.com/
20:24 < kanzure> http://lifenzyme.com/
20:24 < kanzure> http://asksunday.com/
20:24 < JayDugger> :)
20:24 < kanzure> http://yourmaninindia.com/
20:24 < kanzure> http://domystuff.com/
20:24 < kanzure> http://www.taskseveryday.com/
20:24 < kanzure> getfriday.com seems to be the most respectable so far, but i don't know
20:24 < JayDugger> Hire an assistant to review them.
20:25 < kanzure> doesn't that depend on the initial quality
20:25 < JayDugger> Yes. That's what makes my joke work.
20:25 < JayDugger> N.B.: Deadpan's hard in IRC.
20:26 < fenn> can you hire a slave child from any of those sites?
20:26 < fenn> you cooh wait, can one "hire" a slave anyway? or do you have to buy them outright for it to be considered slavery?
20:26 < fenn> gah
20:26 < JayDugger> No, you can still have indentured servitude, regardless of race or gender.
20:27 < JayDugger> Just ask your credit card company.
20:30 < JayDugger> More seriously, you could try http://vanetworking.com/
20:30 < JayDugger> You can submit a RFP on that site. 
20:31 < JayDugger> I haven't used them, and their website looks awful.
20:31 < kanzure> i think i might prefer either (1) someone local or (2) someone on one of the mailing lists or communities i am involved in
20:31 < JayDugger> Preference or requirement?
20:32 < kanzure> well, it's a requirement that i be in contact them outside of some shitty proprietary interface like getfriday (or whatever)
20:32 < kanzure> #2 has a lot of weight
20:37 < JayDugger> Fair point. 
20:38 < JayDugger> Time to commute. Good night, all.
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20:43 < nsh> google now has real-time twitter feeds in its search results: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=teahadists
20:43 < nsh> a 'pause' link in my googles? perhaps a line has been crossed
20:44 < kanzure> "In metasyntactic Mad-Lib substitution joke, Communist rhetorical cliches build unexpected wooden puns out of YEW!"
20:44 < kanzure> nsh: yeah those have been showing up in my search results for a few months now :(
20:45 < nsh> truly, these are the end times.
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21:03 < kanzure> stalk: Ron K. Jeffries <rjeffries@gmail.com>
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21:09 < kanzure> "Steve Rubel writes about the virtues of correspondence. His post includes a picture of the machine Thomas Jefferson designed which copied his hand written letters as he wrote. Who knew."
21:09 < kanzure> http://www.steverubel.com/three-ideas-to-rock-your-2010-part-i-correspo
21:11 < kanzure> ""From sun-rise to one or two o'clock," he noted, "I am drudging at the writing table." Jefferson wrote almost 20,000 letters in his lifetime, among them, scholarly musings to colleagues, affectionate notes to his family, and civil responses to admirers."
21:11 < kanzure> "He wrote John Adams that he suffered "under the persecution of letters," calculating that he received 1,267 letters in the year 1820, "many of them requiring answers of elaborate research, and all to be answered with due attention and consideration.""
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22:08 < kanzure> wtf
22:08 < kanzure> "As a follow-up for to phpGCode and JavaScriptGcode I now have ported the library to the BASIC language."
22:08 < kanzure> "EMC2 supports Python out of the box but I don't prefer programming in Python. I use the PHP version for the stuff I do. But I thought at least someone might get a use out of a BASIC version."
22:09 < kanzure> php and python are very similar, except php has been "optimized" for mod_php more than anything
22:10 < nsh> wat
22:10 < kanzure> honestly i have zero respect for php programmers
22:11  * kanzure used to be a php programmer
22:11 < kanzure> the only reason you ever learn about php is because it's what your crappy shared hosting provider lets you use
22:11 < kanzure> and some friend lets you on to it
22:11 < kanzure> and down you go down a terrible, dark, ridiculous hole of no return
22:11 < kanzure> thinking you know how to do development
22:12 < nsh> only time i wrote php was when i was going to hack something up with mediawiki
22:12 < nsh> and i gave up on that
22:16 < kanzure> the first comment on this page illustrates where the common php programmer is coming from:
22:16 < kanzure> http://www.dasgenie.com/scrap/archives/000009.html
22:16 < kanzure> "Perl? CGI? Older, slower, perl needs to be compiled even."
22:16 < kanzure> guh
22:16 < fenn> not sure why you say php and python are similar
22:16 < fenn> they're both interpreted and begin with the letter P?
22:16 < fenn> waaaa i can read messages but not send them
22:17 < kanzure> in comparison to other interpreted languages like lisp, i think python and php are similar
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22:17 < fenn> why is the internet broken
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22:18 < QuantumG> cause you touch yourself at night
22:19 < kanzure> at night?
22:19 < fenn> i touch myself al th etime
22:19 < nsh> once i wasn't touching myself at all for an instant
22:19 < nsh> good acid
22:21 < kanzure> maybe this is better
22:21 < kanzure> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-php-sucks.html
22:21 < kanzure> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-php-sucks.html
22:21 < kanzure> er, which links to http://blog.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html
22:23 < kanzure> haha i remember the register globals change in 4.2
22:27 < kanzure> hahah "Moreover, I trust that the many PHP engine developers - many of which hold degrees in comp sci and know of The Big O and data structures,"
22:27 < kanzure> this is pathetic.
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22:32 < QuantumG> I've been writing code to handle php in our engine lately.. which means reading the Zend interpreter to see wtf the real semantics of the language are.
22:32 < QuantumG> it's all so blatantly obvious that classes were a tacked on afterthought
22:36 < kanzure> php programmers would kill you at the stake for saying that
22:36 < kanzure> i suppose everyone has their favorite languages
22:36 < kanzure> but for some reason i see this more prominently pronounced in php
22:37 < kanzure> "I think the Broken Windows theory applies here. PHP is such a load of crap, right down to the standard library, that it creates a culture where it's acceptable to write horrible code. "
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22:37 < kanzure> "It's like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policing policy -- sure some apps get messed up, but maybe you catch a few attacks in the process. It's what happened when the language designers gave up. "
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22:38 < QuantumG> yes, some say it is impossible to write secure code in php and that's mostly accurate
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22:44 < kanzure> http://www.htmlist.com/development/you-suck-at-programming-and-i-hate-you-things-never-to-do-in-php-sql/
22:44 < kanzure> especially the section "Using Switch Cases to Implement Your Entire Website in One File
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23:17 < QuantumG> it's interesting that the push for high school graduates to go to college rather than go into manufacturing jobs - because of the lack of manufacturing jobs - may actually be the reason there's a lack of manufacturing jobs.
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23:40 < jrayhawk> I don't think a lack of available workforce is a limiting factor at this point.
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