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00:00 < genehacker> whoa theo jansen mechanism looks complex
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00:32 < kanzure> how did he not know about the theo jansen mechanisms?
00:33 < kanzure> via JayDugger http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/04/additive-manufacturing-with-high-volume.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29
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00:56  * nsh decides not to the download the 700Mb zip file for analysis
00:56 < nsh> what is/was that site anyway (ess.myvnc.com:8928)? or how did you find it?
00:57 < kanzure> i don't know the answer to either of those questions O_o
00:59 < nsh> hm
00:59 < nsh> should probably be careful about mirroring things you have no idea about...
00:59 < nsh> not that i care
01:02 < nsh> fun: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Network+Storage+Link+for+USB+2.0+Disks%22+%22firmware+version%22&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
01:21 < nsh> http://www.daanmeijer.com/DISK%202/Movies/
01:26 < fenn> heh
01:27 < fenn> "There was an unusual problem serving the requested URL. "
01:30 < fenn> only seems to work for .tag files on that site
02:07 < Utopiah> @1h30 RMS talks about licensing of ~"compiler for real stuff" blueprints http://www.archive.org/details/RichardStallmanAFreeDigitalSocietytalkPresentedOn13October2009AtThe (basically you need to GPL all that stuff)
02:57 < fenn> triffid's non-suck reprap firmware that runs on regular arduinos: http://github.com/triffid/ATmega-Skeleton/blob/master/mendel/Makefile
02:57 < fenn> something like that
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06:52 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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07:29 < kanzure> grr
07:29 < kanzure> i explicitly asked jacob *not* to send out that email
07:30 < kanzure> until we had the constitution, social contract and "free hardware guidelines" drafted
07:31 < kanzure> i even have email correspondence with him where we were talking about this
07:31 < kanzure> *what the fuck*
07:32 < kanzure> am i missing something?
07:34 < JayDugger> The possibility of an honest mistake?
07:36 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers
07:36 < kanzure> and he also ignored the god damned wiki
07:36 < kanzure> blah
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07:39 < JayDugger> Well, a wiki edit fight serves no one.
07:41 < kanzure> there was no wiki edit fight
07:41 < kanzure> "things to do BEFORE sending out the call for volunteers" - it's right there on the wiki
07:41 < JayDugger> Yes, I see it.
07:42 < JayDugger> Perhaps he had good reason?
07:48 < kanzure> i doubt it
07:48 < kanzure> but am willing to listen
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07:49 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: hey
07:49 < hundred-ideas> hey kanzure. got a laser cutter now, eh?
07:49 < kanzure> yes
07:49 < hundred-ideas> most excellent.
07:49 < kanzure> i'm kind of disappointed that jacob sent out that email even though the wiki explicitly asked him not to
07:50 < kanzure> and our email correspondence confirming that as well
07:50 < kanzure> i need to run at the moment. can we talk later?
07:50 < hundred-ideas> sure
07:50 < hundred-ideas> thanks for sending me the email
07:50 < kanzure> which one?
07:50 < JayDugger> No worries.
07:50 < hundred-ideas> I wrote comments to an earlier one, but didn't develop them enough to warrant sending
07:50 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt has the last 20min
07:50 < hundred-ideas> actually you sent it to all of diybio 10 min ago
07:51 < hundred-ideas> I agree that non-assert agreements is an interesting avenue.  It seems like the biobricks foundation ended up going in that direction with their BPL.
07:51 < hundred-ideas> thanks. see you.
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08:03 < hundred-ideas> hey genehacker 
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10:23 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: back
10:28 < hundred-ideas> cool
10:31 < kanzure> sent you an email re: diybio kit store
10:32 < kanzure> just got back from talking with eliza evans
10:33 < kanzure> she wants to fix the R&D pipeline especially for business/university research relations
10:34 < kanzure> apparently she spends most of her time redirecting her contacts from her past life in a chemical industry (or pharma?) to people with labs and equipment, and she wants to streamline/automate this
10:35 < kanzure> one of the problems is that the IP contract with UT for research is something like 30 pages long
10:35 < kanzure> the corresponding legal docs for purdue are one pagers :)
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10:36 < kanzure> i didn't mention this to her (because i didn't think of it then) but it looks like it would be an interesting arrangement to do agreements between researchers and a company that wants to sponsor research/work and then transplant the researchers to a university that is easier to work with when it comes to IP bullshit
10:40 < kanzure> or even have them intern at a particular hackerspace or something
10:46 < hundred-ideas> Alternative sources of infrastructure to dodge university IP policies is interesting
10:46 < hundred-ideas> I would like to see data about how problematic university IP policies actually are
10:47 < hundred-ideas> it's one of those things that is burdensome in theory but may not actually be in widespread practice.  Or maybe it is.  Or maybe there are much bigger problems.
10:48 < kanzure> $35B in research money from U.S. companies goes overseas because of IP bullshit
10:52 < hundred-ideas> source?
10:52 < kanzure> eliza :/
10:52 < kanzure> i'll ask her for some data on that
10:52 < hundred-ideas> are you in CST?
10:53 < kanzure> yes
10:53 < kanzure> i should have mentioned that. sorry
10:53 < hundred-ideas> Does 3:00 pm CST tomorrow work?
10:53 < hundred-ideas> I have a meeting at 4:00 CST.
10:53 < kanzure> yes
10:53 < kanzure> but right now also works
10:53 < hundred-ideas> ok
10:55 < hundred-ideas> I am working on the diybio.org backend tonight and tomorrow, building an user account system.  If it would be useful for me to have practical info on my approach and progress, then we should postpone till tomorrow.  If we are mostly going to be high-level conceptual, let's do it now.
10:56 < hundred-ideas> and should one say "building an user..." or "building a user..."
10:56 < kanzure> uh, well, basically i was going to give you some ideas for how to use skdb packages for your "kits database"
10:56 < kanzure> or offer to implement it for you
10:57 < kanzure> this way people can just do development on an open source hardware project, throw it into a .git, push the git repository to you and you have their kit deets
10:57 < hundred-ideas> great
10:58 < hundred-ideas> let's do it.  I'm macowell on skype
10:58 < kanzure> my headphone jack is broken and i can't use just the microphone jack and not the speaker jack
10:58 < hundred-ideas> cell phone then?
10:58 < kanzure> yeah
10:58 < kanzure> one sec
10:58 < hundred-ideas> ok, call me, I'm 231 313 9062
10:59 < kanzure> nah, you're already in my address books
11:00 < kanzure> hm you disconnected
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11:54 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: email sent with deets
11:55 < hundred-ideas> thanks.  good chat.
11:55 < hundred-ideas> minifluidic turbidistat arduino shield, baby
11:56 < hundred-ideas> apply for an awesome foundation grant to make a sweet video, btw.
11:57 < kanzure> i don't know why i have so many film-making friends
11:58 < hundred-ideas> also, my 1-pager on microfluidic tinkering platforms for synthetic aesthetics
11:58 < hundred-ideas> http://has100ideas.com/idea/synthetic-aesthetics-proposal
11:58 < kanzure> where do i send an application to awesomefund.org
11:59 < kanzure> their website is non-awesome
12:00 < kanzure> oh
12:00 < kanzure> http://awesomefoundation.org/
12:20 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: ok submitted.
12:20 < kanzure> hm i didn't know david nunez was doing awesomefoundation
12:21 < kanzure> clay shirky too eh?
12:26 < kanzure> fenn: on 2010-04-10 i will have the funds in my paypal account for your wishlist
12:27 < Utopiah> guys who are into wearable computing, do you have other links regarding (light) clothing (don't talk about having a Sun Server in your backpack please ;) like http://www.fashioningtech.com/ or http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/ ?
12:39 < kanzure> i wonder if a bank will o.k. a request to assign a credit card to an irc channel
12:57 < kanzure> so, for the singularity studies 2010 course, what should the required reading be for the day before i lecture on downloadable hardware, open source hardware, etc.?
12:58 < kanzure> maybe cory doctorow's "makers"?
12:58 < kanzure> a chapter from christopher kelty's twobits.net book?
13:01 < kanzure> hooray we have a syllbus going on
13:01 < kanzure> http://crab.rutgers.edu/%7Egoertzel/SyllabusSingularityStudies.pdf
13:01 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: i'll be lecturing one day on diy stuff. any ideas for "required reading"?
13:02 < hundred-ideas> hey I just grabbed the syllabus
13:02 < hundred-ideas> hmmm
13:02 < hundred-ideas> have you read childhood's end by Vinge?
13:02 < hundred-ideas> wait wait
13:02 < hundred-ideas> Rainbow's End.
13:03 < hundred-ideas> there are some neat, easy-to-read sections on diy epidemiology and biotech automation
13:03 < kanzure> i haven't read rainbow's end yet.
13:03 < kanzure> believe it or not, my grandmother sent me a copy of that book
13:04 < kanzure> because she thought it was cool :P
13:13 < hundred-ideas> *I* think it's cool
13:13 < hundred-ideas> nerdgasmic
13:14 < hundred-ideas> but it's also pretty cool.  If you are into sci-fi.
13:14 < hundred-ideas> what's the hardest of the hard scifi out there?
13:16 < kanzure> greg egan?
13:16 < kanzure> what with his "synthetic biology forests"
13:16 < hundred-ideas> yeah, that's what I was thinking
13:16 < kanzure> hm that's actually not a bad idea
13:16 < hundred-ideas> redefining hard.
13:16 < kanzure> i liked that short story a lot
13:16 < hundred-ideas> I haven't read that one.
13:17 < hundred-ideas> which one is it?
13:17 < hundred-ideas> There's a lot of biotech in his novel Distress.
13:18 < kanzure> it's from his short story book "luminous"
13:18 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_%28story_collection%29
13:19 < kanzure> "# Chaff - An agent is sent to kill a geneticist who is working in a druglord controlled stronghold in the jungles of Colombia, and working on important brain altering research."
13:19 < kanzure> quantumkat: do you have that in your collection?
13:19 < kanzure> fenn: or you?
13:20 < kanzure> i know you both have the same damn collection so, whatever.
13:20 < quantumkat> Let me check.
13:20 < kanzure> it will be in the book "luminous"
13:21 < quantumkat> I have a pdf of Luminous.
13:21 < kanzure> will you upload it to designfiles.org somewhere? :)
13:22 < quantumkat> Sure thing.
13:22 < kanzure> yay
13:23 < quantumkat> It'll be just a sec
13:28 < kanzure> cool
13:39 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/luminous.pdf
13:39 < kanzure> owned
13:39 < fenn> if you dont have the pdf, you dont own it
13:40 < kanzure> what?
13:40 < kanzure> no, i mean, katbot was 0wned by you
13:40 < kanzure> you and your linuxskillz
13:41 < fenn> you know its on your LAN, i could just copy all 10GB or whatever to your machine
13:42 < kanzure> but then who will i pester for scifi :(
13:44 < fenn> Utopiah: i think you'd have to be crazy (like me) to not use an android phone as the CPU
13:45 < Utopiah> fenn: heard about project using (for good reasons) FPGA on such project? or just Arduinos?
13:45 < fenn> FPGA's are power hogs
13:45 < Utopiah> ah
13:46 < fenn> i wouldnt mind having a GNUradio frontend
13:46 < fenn> i think that falls into the "Sun server in the backpack" category
13:46  * fenn blames the FPGA monopoly
13:48 < kanzure> wouldn't "sun server in the backpack" be stupid?
14:08  * kanzure thinks he might end up with 3 presentations for scipy2010
14:08 < kanzure> i'm the "drone python programmer" that various projects are using
14:08 < kanzure> since they can't be in austin themselves
14:09 < kanzure> pythonocc, sympy, and datapkg/okfn/ckan
14:09 < kanzure> my voice is going to hurt.
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14:27 < kanzure> hm i wonder if requiring that a person can only hold a certain number of patents at a time (i.e. make it a game of risk management) would do anything interesting
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14:28 < Utopiah> makes me wonder, did anybody make an adaptation of Monopoly for patents (IP) instead of real estate?
14:37 < fenn> intellectual property taxes is the only thing that even vaguely makes sense
14:37 < fenn> use it or lose it
14:38 < fenn> so i'm away from the dojo for a week and when i come back everything's pink and there's shelves and drawers and a dead robot
14:38 < fenn> except this time it's not a photoshop trick
14:41 < Dustbin> hmm wonder if les would freak out if we painted the shop pink
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15:48 < fenn> how come multimeters dont have usb ports to charge their batteries
15:48 < fenn> and log data
15:48 < fenn> wah
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17:19 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/reprap_thermal1.jpg http://fennetic.net/irc/reprap_thermal2.jpg
17:19 < fenn> that was from a few days ago.. i'll see if i can get a video of printing next time i'm there
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18:31 < JayDugger> Second cup of coffee consumed, and I now can type.
18:31 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:59 < kanzure> emotiv epoc eeg headset + iphone?
19:59 < JayDugger> To what end?
20:00 < kanzure> i don't know. but it's being hyped :(
20:00 < JayDugger> I'd rather have a bluetooth neurophone, assuming neurophones actually work.
20:00 < kanzure> bingo :)
20:06 < thesnark> kanzure it's looking like I may get the job I wanted this summer. Do you still have a room available?
20:06 < kanzure> what does summer mean, again?
20:06 < thesnark> May-August
20:08 < kanzure> hum
20:08 < kanzure> well, technically yes
20:08 < kanzure> your main competitor is jason wohlfahrt. getting you to austin would be pretty cool
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21:26  * katsmeow missed JAMA changing it's name to jama.ama-assn.org ,,, sounds like some basketball org
21:27 < Dustbin> in response to stuff an hour and a half ago
21:27 < Dustbin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocal_recognition
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22:11 < fenn> huh. the subvocal guys are in mountain view? i should go pay them a visit
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