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05:34 < fenn> kanzure are you going to openhardwaresummit?
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06:42 < ybit> anyone know of a free service where i can briefly load ~700gb of data and retrieve about a day later?
06:42 < ybit> i'm having way too many issues with the filesystem on the server and i need to offload the data and reformat
06:44 < fenn> i suggest buying a 1TB hard drive
06:45 < fenn> http://www.amazon.com/Barracuda-7200-12-internal-SATA-300-Refurbished/dp/B0024FAN24
06:48 < kanzure> fenn: i've been on the fence about going to open hardware summit :(
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06:48 < kanzure> i mean, i don't really want to support the buglabs/medialab/adafruit/make clique
06:49 < kanzure> however, i should probably be there :/
06:51 < archels> haha, that's like music to my ears, kanzure.
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06:51 < ybit> grr, did anyone say anything? :(
06:52 < ybit> comcast, you suck
06:52 < archels> < fenn> i suggest buying a 1TB hard drive
06:52 < ybit> ah
06:57 < kanzure> ybit: also, check the logs
06:59 < ybit> 10% packet loss to google :\
07:00 < ybit> hrm...
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07:26 < JayDugger> Good morning everyone.
07:41 < dustbin> morning
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08:22 < Utopiah> didn't know http://www.thoughtcast.org
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09:06 < kanzure> open hardware summit is streaming
09:06 < kanzure> http://ustre.am/oaVr
09:07 < kanzure> twitter hashtag is #openhwsummit and #openhardware
09:07 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/openhwsummit
09:08 < kanzure> schedule: http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/schedule/
09:08 < Utopiah> thanks
09:08 < kanzure> http://lists.openhardwaresummit.org/listinfo.cgi/updates-openhardwaresummit.org
09:10 < kanzure> "Agressive and constant publication is the ultimate weapon a society has agaisnt patents - @wilbanks #openhardware"
09:10 < kanzure> well that's awful advice :P
09:10 < kanzure> patents are a trump card in comparison
09:10 < kanzure> i'm glad they got bruce perens there.. maybe he will knock some sense into them
09:12 < kanzure> "@Adafruit warns against claiming your product is #OpenHardware while also trying to impose restrictions."
09:12 < kanzure> so have they actually come up with a legal tool? i thought that was the point of all their hype :)
09:12  * kanzure checks http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW
09:14 < kanzure> http://freedomdefined.org/Talk:OSHW
09:16 < archels> This is more interesting -> http://oracle.com.edgesuite.net/ivt/4000/8104/9236/13239/presentation_external_flash_480x272/default.htm
09:16 < kanzure> the link has the words "oracle" "flash" and "suite" is there any incentive for me to click
09:17 < archels> Kurzweil @ JavaOne conference
09:17 < archels> T+15min
09:17 < kanzure> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/open-hardware-summit-2010
09:18 < kanzure> hahahah "
09:18 < kanzure> Crowley: What we try to do at Eyebeam is make processes transparent "
09:18 < kanzure> oh man.. this is why i didn't go :)
09:19 < kanzure> i think this is a reasonable way to frame things: "Wilbanks: OSHW.. copyright, patent, trade secret, trademark, or sui generis??"
09:19 < kanzure> "
09:19 < kanzure> and it looks like their tweeter doesn't pay attention: "Wilbanks just dropped "open-source biology" ... another summit in order?"
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09:36 < archels> Mmm standard Kurzweil talk, nothing new.
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09:57 < kanzure> diybio-washington update http://diybiodc.org/2010/09/still-around-working-on-other-things/
09:58 < kanzure> http://www.diybiosea.org/2010/09/gm-salmon-up-for-fda-approval.htmlhttp://www.diybiosea.org/2010/09/gm-salmon-up-for-fda-approval.htmlhttp://www.diybiosea.org/2010/09/gm-salmon-up-for-fda-approval.htmlhttp://www.diybiosea.org/2010/09/gm-salmon-up-for-fda-approval.htmlhttp://www.diybiosea.org/2010/09/gm-salmon-up-for-fda-approval.html
09:58 < kanzure> blah
09:58 < kanzure> http://www.diybiosea.org/2010/09/gm-salmon-up-for-fda-approval.html
09:58 < kanzure> http://jcom.sissa.it/archive/09/03/Jcom0903(2010)E/Jcom0903(2010)E.pdf mentions biocurious and diybio
10:00 < JayDugger> Good night, eveyone.
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10:03 < uniqanomaly_> i guess they will some day push for fda approval of every food
10:03 < uniqanomaly_> 'cause everything organic have *genes* in it
10:04 < uniqanomaly_> in the name of public safety
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10:04 < uniqanomaly_> health!
10:05 < uniqanomaly_> they care so much for health yet drugs approval take 10 years
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10:07 < Utopiah> uniqanomaly_: Im not an expert but maybe side-effects and combinations are not that easy to test?
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10:08 < kanzure> national fablab act of 2010: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-6003
10:08 < kanzure> full text: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h6003:
10:08 < uniqanomaly_> Utopiah: of course they're not
10:10 < uniqanomaly_> Utopiah: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634#
10:11 < uniqanomaly_> "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
10:13 < uniqanomaly_> Utopiah: herbs and health suppliments under codex alimentarius are drugs which need to be strictly controlled
10:13 < uniqanomaly_> so much for freedom
10:17 < uniqanomaly_> well not drugs
10:17 < uniqanomaly_> just become strictly regulated ;>
10:17 < uniqanomaly_> who cares
10:35 < kanzure> can you guys take a look at the humanity+ gada prize guidelines before i stamp it / ship i?
10:35 < kanzure> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1lJ-jHXRQObdYHtPwdKFPTqfmknkc2a93ytLHtbjyZto&hl=en&authkey=CJSbrm0
10:36 < kanzure> pdf (old/first version): http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusgada.pdf
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10:58 < uniqanomaly_> http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/2010/09/s510-companion-bill-s3767-to.html WTF
10:59 < uniqanomaly_> "10 year jail term for anyone who sells what the govt later decides was "adulterated" or "misbranded" food"
10:59 < uniqanomaly_> :D
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11:16 < phryk> Sha-Bam.
11:16  * phryk can haz be Magneto :3
11:18 < archels> Sorry, being transhuman does not mean you get to break the laws of physics.
11:48 < phryk> Nah
11:48 < phryk> I have a Magnet in my finger, now ;P
11:52 < archels> Yeah? For how long?
11:53 < phryk> Permanently.
11:53 < phryk> Or do you mean since when?
11:53 < phryk> That would be since today ;P
11:53 < dustbin> nice
11:53 < dustbin> where is it in your finger
11:56 < panax> is it rare earth
11:56 < panax> i heard of someone doing that and after a while the body absorbed all the iron out of the magnet and it shattered
12:00 < archels> phryk: Yeah, I meant since when. Like panax said, I heard some bad things about longetivity.
12:00 < phryk> That was longer ago
12:00 < phryk> with the prototypes
12:01 < panax> maybe if you have a protective coating over it it would last longer
12:01 < archels> Ah, alright. I wore a magnetic ring for a few months, but had to take it off because it was irritating my skin.
12:04 < archels> I hope you fare better. :)
12:04 < phryk> there are two coatings
12:04 < phryk> gold and then silicon
12:05 < panax> yeah gold will probably last
12:08 < phryk> silicone, too
12:11 < archels> Gold being the failsafe? :)
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14:08 < kanzure> "China mines 93 percent of the world's rare earth minerals, and more than 99 percent of the world's supply of some of the most prized rare earths"
14:08 < kanzure> i bet they really meant to say "93 percent of the world's output of rare earth minerals"
14:08 < kanzure> nobody dares mine for crap in the US any more
14:09 < kanzure> "The House Committee on Science and Technology is scheduled to review a detailed bill to subsidize the revival of the American rare earths industry and the House Armed Services Committee is scheduled to review the American military dependence on Chinese rare earth elements"
14:09 < kanzure> does anyone know what that bill is for "revival of the American rare earths industry"?
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14:28 < kanzure> hehe http://www.shadyurl.com/
14:32 < dustbin> ya it's kinda fantastic
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14:41 < kanzure> aha:
14:41 < kanzure> http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h4866/show
14:42 < kanzure> "Rare Earths Supply-Chain Technology and Resources Transformation Act of 2010 or the RESTART Act"
14:42 < kanzure> "Rare Earths and Critical Materials Revitalization Act of 2010." http://science.house.gov/publications/hearings_markups_details.aspx?newsid=2910
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15:30 < kanzure> why do these exist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_industry_trade_groups_in_the_United_States
15:31 < kanzure> wikipedia claims "There are over 7,600 national trade associations in the United States, with a large number (approximately 2,000) headquartered in the Washington, DC area." and cites National Trade and Professional Associations (2008), 43rd ed., ISBN 978 1-880873-56-4 for that
15:31 < uniqanomaly> for influencing public policies
15:32 < uniqanomaly> 'influencing'
15:32 < kanzure> does each one have member companies?
15:32 < kanzure> i mean, that's a lot of business..
15:35 < uniqanomaly> 'influencing public policies' reminded me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_vaccine stuff
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15:36 < uniqanomaly> WHO corrupted by pharmaceutical companies
15:37 < uniqanomaly> a.k.a. 'WHO overreacted'
15:37 < superkuh> ... even the most grand reaction to influenza is not an overreaction.
15:37 < uniqanomaly> 229 mln doses of H1N1 vaccines bought by US gov.
15:37 < uniqanomaly> superkuh: that's most funny part
15:38 < uniqanomaly> they have bunch of viruses & vaccines & vaccines monopoly
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16:08 < kanzure> i'm not sure meetlog.txt was designed with this sort of situation in mind
16:08 < kanzure> http://www.aia-aerospace.org/about_aia/board_of_governors/
16:08 < kanzure> i mean, putting all these people from 7000 organizations into the "knowledge:" section or something is kinda silly
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19:07 < fenn> 'humanity+ will assemble no less than one individual to contact...' lol
19:11 < fenn> you could use different tags for different kinds of knowledge, i.e. "stalk" or "random douchebag"
19:13 < fenn> re: shattered magnets, quinn is staying in the langton guest room and seems to be doing just fine :P
19:19 < fenn> roommate "must be willing to meow or is cool with meowing." but they're getting a german shepherd?
19:20 < kanzure> fenn: gadaplus.pdf help/ranting/ideas would be cool
19:21 < kanzure> O_o my uncle-in-law emailed me a clay shirky ted talk. hrm.
19:22 < kanzure> quinn norton?
19:40 < fenn> ya
19:41 < fenn> is the pdf different from the google doc?
19:50 < kanzure> pdf is older
19:50 < kanzure> google doc has adrian bowyer / reprap core team comments
19:50 < kanzure> sorry, i was watching gaston http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhG9hKiplfQ
19:51 < kanzure> 2010-04-13: Quinn Norton <quinn@quinnnorton.com>: ["eeg", "body hacking", "neurosky"]
19:51 < kanzure> wtf i've only talked with him onnnnnce
19:51 < kanzure> *once
19:59 < jrayhawk> kanzure are you ever resentful of someone saying something flippant on IRC because it means you then have to go fill out their name
20:03 < kanzure> fuck you
20:04 < jrayhawk> especially a stupid largely rhetorical question
20:14 < jrayhawk> Have you scripted irssi or a log parser add people for you automatically?
20:15 < kanzure> ostensibly i did at one point but it's gone / not working / a pile of crap
20:15 < kanzure> and a gmail and pidgin plugin
20:16 < kanzure> i'd like to have a tool where i can just paste a wall of text or a link and have it extract out the names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.
20:16 < kanzure> name recognition shouldn't be too hard..
20:20 < kanzure> i'd also pay for a service where a part of facebook's social network is revealed to me in some meaningful context
20:20 < kanzure> like a certain target up to a certain degree (like n=4) so that i get their local network details
20:33 < fenn> quinn is demonstrably female, for future reference http://www.flickr.com/photos/eeetthaannn/5011462996/
20:36 < kanzure> good to know
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20:41 < kanzure> fenn: did you see that anissimov's screen name used to be darkvegeta26?
20:48 < fenn> good to know
20:48 < fenn> i will expose his true motives once and for all!
20:51 < kanzure> i thought it was funny :(
20:52 < kanzure> we're not known for being anti-dbz anyway http://acceleratingfuture.com/hplusroadmapwiki/Myostatin_DBZ_project
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21:02 < fenn> btw, re: scouters, http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/09/15/hands-on-with-the-lumus-see-through-wearable-display-real-3d-real-augmented-reality/
21:02 < fenn> their helmet is so dorktastic, i wonder why they didn't bother to make a scouter demo
21:03 < kanzure> heh i was just reading the scouters thing again :)
21:03 < kanzure> http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dragonball-z/Info/Scouters.htm
21:03 < kanzure> 'Scouters - were created by Frieza's scientists. It was made to help determine how strong a person was. It's worn around one eye and can detect power levels from miles away. It gives the power level in the form of a number, and so they compare the number to their own to see where they stand if they were to fight that person.' 
21:04 < kanzure> fenn: yeah that's just asking to be a scouter demo
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21:44 < kanzure> tito is asking about inventory management stuff for biocurious
21:44 < kanzure> i wonder if he will listen
21:58 < kanzure> i guess the better idea is to tell joseph instead :D
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22:10 < kanzure> hi kive 
22:29 < jrayhawk> Oh, I thought that darkvegeta26@aol.com thing was a joke.
22:30 < jrayhawk> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/works/transhumanisttips.htm "transhumanist tip: do not use the name darkvegeta26"
22:30 < jrayhawk> hard-earned wisdom
22:31 < fenn> hmm, randomly ran across this sleep optimization project just now http://beddata.com/blog/
22:32 < fenn> how do i know of tom igoe?
22:37 < fenn> ah nice, Extended Environments Markup Language (eeml.org)
22:38 < fenn> seems like just the xml tags would take up a lot of flash in your microcontroller's ram
22:43 < fenn> Because of its focus on ease of interoperability between software platforms the Danish government has made the use of IFC format(s) compulsory for publicly aided building projects.
22:44 < fenn> IfcProcess is the base class for processes and is subdivided into tasks, events, and procedures. Processes may have durations and be scheduled to occur at specific time periods. Processes may be sequenced such that a successor task may start after a predecessor task finishes, following the Critical Path Method. Processes may be nested into sub-processes for summary roll-up.
22:45 < fenn> it also has stuff about geometry, "resources" such as labor and equipment, and even (supposedly) revision control
22:45 < fenn> mostly aimed at architectural cad
22:46 < kanzure> Tom Igoe: [open source hardware, open source hardware definition, arduino, new york university]
22:46 < kanzure> associate professor
22:47 < kanzure> "making things talk"
22:48 < kanzure> danish govt has done a lot of weird things with formats.. like demanding quickfix for financial transactions, and going ahead with the Oo.O templates and ebxml stuff
22:49 < fenn> http://bimserver.org/about/features/
22:49 < fenn> bimserver is running gpl code
22:52 < fenn> must be pretty new, mailing list starts on august 2010
23:20 < fenn> is it just me or is it linkedin request season?
23:22 < kanzure> i saw bimserver a few days ago through something else.. didn't bother to post the link because it seemed "relevant but not quite relevant"
23:23 < kanzure> why do people use linkedin, anyway
23:45 < QuantumG> because other people do
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