--- Log opened Sun Feb 06 00:00:10 2011
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00:55 < kruft> #biopunk
00:55 < kruft> oops wrong window
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05:36 < Lukas_> Good morning everyone
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08:42 < Lukas_> Hullo ThomasEgi
08:44 < ThomasEgi> am hi?
08:45 < Lukas_> excuse?
08:47 < ThomasEgi> was just disconnected.
08:50 < Lukas_> ah
08:51 < Lukas_> How's it going?
08:51 < ThomasEgi> re-doing a few pcb-layouts right now.
08:51 < ThomasEgi> turned out i messed up a footprint and now the parts physically wont arrange on the board :P
08:52 < Lukas_> nice
08:53 < Lukas_> what are you building?
08:54 < ThomasEgi> prototyping hardware for a company.
08:55 < ThomasEgi> it's a controll board used to switch devices on and off. they want to get away from the simens sps-controll they have right now.
09:01 < kanzure> siemens?
09:02 < kanzure> show me a building with heating not done by siemens and i'll show you a honeywell
09:02 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, wanna come over visit me?
09:02 < ThomasEgi> and bring a honeywell with you.
09:03 < ThomasEgi> whatever that is.
09:03 < ThomasEgi> well the thing is. altho their current setup works, it's expensive, complicated and not doesnt adapt well to their needs
09:07 < Lukas_> Does anyone know any nootropic that is relatively safe?
09:09 < archels> It's this new one that you see in the ads, I think it's called Pla-Ce-Bo.
09:11 < kanzure> Lukas_: cdpcholine, sulbutiamine, pyritinol, picamilion, aniracetam, piracetam, lion's mane, fish oil, butter, phosphatidylserine, bacopa, pregnenolone, cerebrolysin, theanine, vinpocetine, taurine, creatine, methylcobalamin, choline bitartate, ginkgo, huperzine, centrophenoxine, phenylalainine, methylcobalamin, vinpocetine, selegiline, pseudoephedrine, donezepil, hydergine, phenytoin, digitoxin, coumarin, gamma-hydroxybutyrate
09:12 < kanzure> personally i take adderall
09:13 < archels> Lukas_: You might want to specify "relatively safe".
09:13 < kanzure> about how many standard deviations from "100% likely to kill you" are looking for?
09:14 < kanzure> *are you looking for?
09:15 < archels> kanzure: Do you take anything to offset the side effects of the dex?
09:15 < kanzure> nope
09:15 < Lukas_> Relatively safe = doesn't kill or impair me (mentally or physically).  I don't mind a headache or anything mild
09:15 < archels> kanzure: Vitamin C? Multivitamin?
09:16 < kanzure> archels: sometimes
09:16 < archels> kanzure: Ever try l-tyrosine with it?
09:16 < kanzure> no
09:17 < Utopiah> (iirc few here like eletronic music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylVRGttEW4 )
09:18 < archels> "dubbing to fuckstep"
09:18 < archels> I'm not *entirely* sure what that means...
09:19 < archels> but somehow it seems to accurately describe the genre.
09:21 < Lukas_> xD
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10:49 < fenn> anyone know "jean paul miousse"?
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10:51 < fenn> er, jean-sebastien miousse , my bad
10:57 < fenn> Utopiah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GlLXgyEbAw&feature=related   of course youtube's audio encoding drops a lot
11:04 < fenn> some nice paintings http://www.androidjones.com/
11:06 < fenn> (same as youtube link above better compression http://fennetic.net/irc/Sirius_Mimosa.mp3 )
11:07 < Utopiah> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110202172300.htm (other view on the PLoSONE article on tDCS for insight)
11:08 < Utopiah> fenn: thanks, that's more relaxing
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12:06 < kanzure> wait a sec..
12:06 < kanzure> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/06/1725258/Wikipedia-Works-To-Close-Gender-Gap
12:06 < kanzure> ` 'The big problem is that the current Wikipedia community is what came about by letting things develop naturally,' says Kat Walsh, a member of the Wikimedia board. `
12:06 < kanzure> kat walsh.. why do i know that name
12:07 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-12-25.log
12:07 < kanzure> so she used to hang out in here?
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12:36 < uniqanomaly_> they should introduce gender parity
12:36 < uniqanomaly_> and with gender parity in the name of equalisation there's favoritism of one side and discrimination of the other and isn't that just fucking stupid
12:37 < uniqanomaly_> everything for delusion of greater good
12:38 < uniqanomaly_> if i would be more sarcastic i would wrote that it's the way god wanted it
12:38 < uniqanomaly_> oh, i just did
12:39 < uniqanomaly_> i would like to be*
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13:34 < fenn> i'd rather have openness and transparency than rules mandating that idiots be in charge
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13:48 < kanzure> being on the board for the third or fourth most popular website ever is pretty interesting
13:48 < kanzure> but probably means little in terms of actual things she can do
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15:15 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug
15:16 < kanzure> :/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Doping_Agency
15:16 < kanzure> hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_banned_from_the_Olympics
15:17 < uniqanomaly_> in promotion of transhumanism someone gotta create h+ olympics
15:18 < uniqanomaly_> with any improvement technology lawful
15:18 < Utopiah> isn't called F1?
15:18 < uniqanomaly_> funny thing, some of them are f***'n illegal
15:19 < uniqanomaly_> funny paradox of banning any drugs 'better trap produce better mouse'
15:20 < uniqanomaly_> they actively contribute to drug research
15:20 < uniqanomaly_> or not
15:20 < kanzure> whatever.. i haven't had any olympiads hire me to create something undetectable
15:21 < Lukas_> Just as long as the drugs aren't banned outright, I am fine
15:25 < Technicus> I have an idea.
15:28 < Lukas_> ?
15:31 < jrayhawk> res
15:31 < jrayhawk> whoops
15:31 < uniqanomaly_> what do you think about idea that govs can see augmented humanz as enemies of old order?
15:34 < uniqanomaly_> perhaps russian anti-biomedical tech regulations are related
15:34 < uniqanomaly_> or they just want poor people to die off
15:35 < uniqanomaly_> ok, i guess too much fucking politics
15:35 < Lukas_> we are political creatures
15:35 < Lukas_> In my opinion, some governments will, others won't
15:36 < Lukas_> the only opinions that matter are the Chinese and Americans, mainly
15:37 < Lukas_> if a major clampdown occurs in those countries on such technology, then transhumanism faces a nearly impossible job of trying to go about our business
15:37 < kanzure> Lukas_: no, we're not political creatures
15:37 < uniqanomaly_> Lukas_: not really impossible
15:37 < kanzure> go away and get back to work
15:38 < Lukas_> :D
15:38 < Lukas_> taking a break
15:38 < uniqanomaly_> ;)
15:38 < Lukas_> no more fear mongering, I promise
15:38 < kanzure> Lukas_: why are you always talking about gloom-and-doom political scenarios?
15:38 < kanzure> i mean, can you take that crap somewhere else maybe
15:39 < kanzure> political cheerleading doesn't tend to be productive
15:39 < QuantumG> http://www.verticalfarm.com/more
15:40 < uniqanomaly_> kanzure: take a chill pill, we're just talking
15:40 < kanzure> RAWR NO CHILLING ALLOWED
15:40 < uniqanomaly_> ! :D
15:40 < kanzure> what are you up to anyway
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15:41 < uniqanomaly_> omg
15:41 < uniqanomaly_> Lukas___: the other one is dead I suppose? ;)
15:42 < uniqanomaly_> kanzure: just talking :)
15:42 < uniqanomaly_> brb
15:42 < Lukas___> what?
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15:42 < Lukas___> kanzure: don't take me seriously, we're just talking
15:42 < kanzure> uniqanomaly_: no i mean, what are you doing
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15:45 < Lukas___> In all seriousness, you are right <kanzure>, panic does nothing
15:47 < Lukas___> but this is just wild speculation
15:48 < Technicus> Augmented visiual comprehention.
15:49 < Lukas___> ?
15:49 < Technicus> Too many people do not understand what is happening.
15:50 < Lukas___> which is a good thing IMO
15:51 < QuantumG> have you considered that you might be one of them? ;)
15:51 < Lukas___> me?
15:52 < Technicus> I myself am tramendously ignorant.
15:52 < Lukas___> As am I
15:54 < QuantumG> the people living through events rarely understand their historical significance
15:54 < Technicus> I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me.
15:56 < QuantumG> The Mesopotamians had very little idea that they were revolutionizing farming.. they were just digging ditches to get water to their crops.
15:56 < Technicus> I am presently upset by a Cease & Desist/Take Down Notice from Faceboot to the developer of PhotoJacker: [ http://www.photojacker.com/ ].
15:56 < Lukas___> what about the result of the agricultural revolution?
15:57 < Lukas___> there is significant evidence of violence between nomadic groups and settled people during that period
15:58 < Technicus> Living as a nomadic lifestyle is not suited or permitted by / for many of today's cultures.
15:58 < Lukas___> but it was once the only way of doing things
15:59 < QuantumG> vast amounts of americans live in caravans
15:59 < Lukas___> crop growing was a game changer
15:59 < Lukas___> the food they get is still grown, they aren't foraging
16:00 < Technicus> To have a portable dwelling provides a sense of freedom.
16:00 < QuantumG> most nomads were herders.. so the domesticated animals did the foraging, and they ate the animals
16:01 < Lukas___> true
16:01 < Lukas___> but you can support a significant population with crops, as opposed to just herding
16:04 < QuantumG> it was still animal power though
16:05 < Lukas___> still animal power, but that subtle change had a huge cultural impact
16:07 < Lukas___> I am unsure of whether the idea of territory was 'born' during that time, I am unsure of how we would even know if that happened ....
16:07 < Lukas___> meh, I am rambling
16:08 < QuantumG> yes, it was.  The great empires of east and west were the direct result of increased farming production and the specialization of workforce
16:08 < QuantumG> yep, but it wasn't until the mining revolution and the subsequent industrial revolution that large scale production finally took off..  the question today, I think, is will all that be made obsolete by synthetic biology?  self-tending, self-harvesting crops.
16:09 < Lukas___> perhaps, we don't know.  The best we can do is try to see where the tech is going and work accordingly to stay ahead of the curve
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16:18 < Technicus> Here is a link: [ http://victorygasworks.ning.com/ ].  This is a group of people who are dilligently fabricating solid biomass gasifiers.
16:20 < joshcryer> Dan screws around, probably his best "instructional" video (greenpowerscience): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRnhFvu9PXo
16:21 < joshcryer> I know he mostly dicks around most of the time, but it's nice to see this hack.
16:21 < joshcryer> (throws some Nd magnets on a hexagonal block of wood and places it in a fan stator, produces current)
16:23 < QuantumG> a more modern example: the NSF had no idea what would result from removing the non-commercial terms of use from their backbone of the Internet.
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16:48 < ThomasEgi> joshcryer, that one just made my evening :D
16:48 < ThomasEgi> magnets in a piece of wood :D
16:49 < Lukas___> Are there any PhDs here?
16:50 < QuantumG> I think most of us have jobs instead
16:50 < Lukas___> XD
16:53 < kanzure> Lukas___: there's a few phds
16:53 < kanzure> what do you need
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16:56 < Lukas___> I just wanted to know what sort of positions in industry are PhD-only - I want to work in a genomics company, and I eventually want to head my own projects eventually.  But I am barely getting through college financially, so I am unsure of going to graduate school is wise or not
16:56 < kanzure> why are you in school, again?
16:57 < Lukas___> Biomedical Engineering
16:57 < Lukas___> and because I would be kicked out if I wasn't in school
16:57 < Lukas___> mainly
16:58 < kanzure> kicked out of what
16:58 < Lukas___> Biomedical Engineering allows a greater spread, in case I decide that genetics isn't my strongpoint
16:58 < Lukas___> my house
16:58 < QuantumG> I'm still watching this video joshcryer posted
16:58 < Lukas___> rather, my parent's house
16:58 < QuantumG> fuck me, this guy could have explained this thing in 10 seconds
16:59 < QuantumG> 31 minutes to say "alternate the magnets"?  seriously?
17:01 < joshcryer> Hehe
17:01 < joshcryer> I like when he uses mechanical advantage to do a task, such as when he drives the block down the screw with the drill.
17:01 < kanzure> Lukas___: gonna have to move out some day
17:02 < joshcryer> I try to think of ways to avoid effort so it is fun when someone else does, too.
17:02 < Lukas___> I'd rather do it when I have money to survive on
17:02 < joshcryer> kanzure, all housing should be free, electricity, and water, and food!!!!!
17:03 < Lukas___> agreed 100%
17:04 < joshcryer> needs more exclaimation points
17:07 < Lukas___> <kanzure>:  How did you do it?
17:09 < QuantumG> dude needs to join steel... and uses sticky tape
17:14 < joshcryer> QuantumG, it's a hack, not production thing, haha. He's always having to disclaim whatever hack he does because people are all "wtf you shouldn't do it that way!"
17:21 < joshcryer> I suspect sticky tape wouldn't last long enough in a turbine for it to spin for a day.
17:22 < QuantumG> yeah, weld the magnets to a metal rotor
17:29 < kanzure> Lukas___: i got kicked out
17:29 < kanzure> it's surprisingly easy
17:29 < joshcryer> kanzure, aww, why.
17:30 < joshcryer> You seem so lovable.
17:30 < Lukas___> D:
17:31 < joshcryer> Every h+ guy needs a parents basement to work in.
17:31 < joshcryer> It's our only hope.
17:33 < Lukas___> Trust me, I'd LOVE to move out of my house, but I have nothing in terms of money and experience
17:33 < kanzure> no experience? what have you been doing for the past 15 years
17:34 < kanzure> joshcryer: it's probably in the logs sometime in 2008
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17:37 < Lukas___> xD
17:39 < joshcryer> QuantumG, the most fascinating part of the video is that adding a magnet doubles the power output.
17:39 < joshcryer> QuantumG, square of the distance and all.
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17:50 < kanzure> blah now they are complaining that they didn't categorize articles on hplusmagazine.com
17:50 < kanzure> but they want categories and tags now
17:50 < QuantumG> there's articles on hplusmagazine.com?
17:51 < joshcryer> there's hplusmagazine.com?
17:54 < kanzure> s/articles/blog posts/
17:54 < kanzure> whatever the terminology is
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18:44 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iP0NGDDao
18:46 < ThomasEgi> now that's a nice one^
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20:05 < joshcryer> I'm bored someone find the logs where kanzure was kicked out of his house.
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