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03:03 < foucist> fenn: i hope not..  it's a good manga..  but movie nahhh ;)
03:03 < foucist> 2 hours of nothing happening
03:03 < foucist> endless walking
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08:13 < kanzure> you guys are boring :(
08:32 < kanzure> man stephen is getting more and more full of himself: http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2011/06/04/tq/20110604_tqd020.jpg
08:35 < kanzure> Alfredo Dubra, Yusufu Sulai, Jennifer L. Norris, Robert F. Cooper, Adam M. Dubis, David R. Williams,, Joseph Carroll. Noninvasive imaging of the human rod photoreceptor mosaic using a confocal adaptive optics scanning ophthalmoscope. Biomedical Optics Express, 2011; 2 (7): 1864 DOI: 10.1364/BOE.2.001864
08:36 < kanzure> http://dx.doi.org/10.1364/BOE.2.001864
08:36 < kanzure> Alfredo Dubra, Yusufu Sulai. Reflective afocal broadband adaptive optics scanning ophthalmoscope. Biomedical Optics Express, 2011; 2 (6): 1757 DOI: 10.1364/BOE.2.001757
08:36 < kanzure> http://dx.doi.org/10.1364/BOE.2.001757
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09:09 < foucist> we're boring?
09:10 < foucist> i'm speculating in bitcoins right now..  wheeee
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09:17 < kanzure> foucist: still boring
09:18 < foucist> yes, it's terribly boring
09:26 < uniqanomaly> foucist: http://tan.staafl.net/2011/06/1-bitcoin-10-000-dollars/
09:27 < foucist> http://http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/06/08/a-brief-history-of-the-corporation-1600-to-2100
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09:47 < kanzure> bre/colbert http://gallery.me.com/lrodrigu/100420
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10:01 < foucist> kanzure: the corporation link was for you since you're into technology :P
10:01 < archels> heh @ Wolfram collage
10:02 < archels> I watched "Flight from Death - The Quest for Immortality" (1.5 hour documentary) last night.
10:03 < archels> Pretty well made, although scarcely any mention of future technological implications. :(
10:03 < kanzure> soon you too will learn to be as jaded as the rest of us about media/documentaries like that
10:04 < archels> No no, this was when documentaries were still good. It's 4:3 format and everything.
10:05 < archels> I've seen (and aborted) plenty of crap after downloading some 200 GB of "science documentaries".
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11:08 < archels> mhm, to post to sl4 or exi...
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11:12 < kanzure> archels: sl4 is dead
11:12 < kanzure> exi is useless
11:12 < kanzure> my vote is: neither
11:13 < kanzure> what do you have?
11:13 < archels> oh shit, I forgot sl4 is dead. ack.
11:13 < archels> Wanted some discussion on this paper I talked about here a few days ago.
11:17 < archels> exi seems more for posting news than having discussions on.
11:18 < archels> I should know, Eugen Leitl is a familiar name in my inbox. :\
11:19 < kanzure> eugen runs a nice little news service called 'transhuman tech'
11:19 < archels> ah shoot, I must be confusing things then.
11:19 < kanzure> http://postbiota.org/mailman/listinfo/tt
11:19 < kanzure> archives: http://postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/
11:19 < archels> Yeah, I'm subscribed to that.
11:22 < kanzure> what? "Bugherd, last time I used it, did a js embed widget for website/design changes/feedback."
11:23 < kanzure> a/b testing for outbound sales calls. hah (volta)
11:25 < kanzure> hrm i guess a family-login for uploading photos makes sense
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14:25 < ybit> "The brand name Droid is a trademark of Lucasfilm licensed to Verizon Wireless."
14:37 < kanzure> yep
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14:42 < ybit> just getting around to buying one
14:44 < kanzure> there's a lot of newer stuff out on the market now
14:48 < ybit> i'm going to get an old droid x
14:49 < ybit> ~$70, $10 activation fee, and $30/mo data plan
15:07 < jrayhawk> n900s keep showing up on craigslist for, like, $125
15:08 < jrayhawk> oh, verizon, nevermind
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15:27 < fenn> how did sl4 die? spasms of self-recrimination or just apathy?
15:27 < kanzure> eliezer jumped ship to overcomingbias/lesswrong
15:27 < fenn> that's a blog, right?
15:27 < kanzure> to be fair, mailing lists aren't really where most of the "internet action" happens at anyway
15:27 < kanzure> yes
15:27 < kanzure> lesswrong gets a fairly significant amount of traffic
15:27 < kanzure> from hackernews (i hate when i see this shit popping up on that site, too)
15:27 < AlonzoTG> really?
15:28 < fenn> but the focus of lesswrong is more about mathematical masturbation than technology, iirc
15:28 < kanzure> yes
15:28 < kanzure> "rationalism"
15:28 < AlonzoTG> You mean to say that people actually use FORUMS?!?!?! even though there is no such thing as a time-efficient way to use forums....
15:28 < kanzure> "Why i am more rational than your mom"
15:28 < kanzure> blogs are not 'forums'
15:28 < fenn> i never use forums, except when searching for answers on google
15:28 < kanzure> fenn: there's a lot of people who are very accustomed to forums
15:28 < kanzure> that's why they are always invading mailing lists saying "HUR DUR I CAN SETUP PHPBB FOR YOU"
15:28 < fenn> some people really like the fact that you can sort things into categories
15:29 < kanzure> but these motherfuckers don't really mean it
15:29 < fenn> i had hoped wave would solve the whole web/mailing list bridging problem
15:29 < fenn> but google let me down :(
15:29 < kanzure> jake was the only one who did the mail2forum gateway
15:29 < kanzure> and then nobody cared (on the diybio list)
15:29 < kanzure> the reality is that people like being admins and moderators on forums
15:29 < fenn> is it still running?
15:29 < kanzure> yes
15:30 < kanzure> oops
15:30 < fenn> diybio.biz/forum ?
15:30 < kanzure> no that's jonano
15:30 < fenn> heh 0 posts
15:30 < kanzure> http://o-bio.org/ is jake stewart's mail2forum gateway for diybio
15:30 < kanzure> but he didn't pay his bills? wtf
15:30 < kanzure> it was up last month.. since 2009
15:31 < kanzure> yeah there's tons of others.. tito ran a forum, pearlbiotech had another one, diybio.org had a custom piece of shit,
15:31 < kanzure> diybioforums.org (jeswin?)
15:31 < kanzure> biopunk.org (splicer_)
15:31 < fenn> okay i dont care about lots of forums
15:31 < kanzure> here:
15:31 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/17b814fe72528c3c
15:32 < kanzure> "Everyone and their mom's dog wants to convert mailing lists to forums or the
15:32 < kanzure> other way around-- and it's funny, because Jake has been the only one to
15:32 < kanzure> actually bother with a mail2forum gateway for diybio. Annnd then nobody used
15:32 < kanzure> it."
15:33 < fenn> hum, internet is flaky here lately
15:33 < QuantumG> thank god.  If people responded to a mailing list like they do to a forum I'd unsubscribe.
15:34 < kanzure> +1
15:34 < kanzure> +1
15:34 < kanzure> +1
15:34 < kanzure> lol :) [THIS USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST]
15:34 < kanzure> And other varities of crap. i agree.
15:38 < kanzure> fenn: i am really extremely bored today
15:38 < kanzure> can you help
15:39 < QuantumG> I'm 1/3 of the way through the Atlas Shrugged audio book.   I'm glad I didn't try to read this, and yet still impressed with the work.
15:39 < kanzure> she was an ok/good writer, yeah
15:39 < kanzure> but the ideas..heh
15:40 < QuantumG> heh, I think the opposite.  I'm impressed with the clarity of her ideology, but feel she can't write for shit.
15:42 < QuantumG> this is written like a soap opera.  Like it should have been made into a daytime serial.
15:42 < jrayhawk> fucking collectivist, talking about Ayn Rand when it's actually a collection of self-motivated individual cells
15:45 < QuantumG> I keep waiting for Rearden's evil twin brother to show up.. they occasionally talk about a Danish pirate.. in the soap operate that'd probably be him.
15:45 < fenn> quantumg's opinion is the more standard interpretation
15:46 < ybit> fenn: why did wave let you down?
15:46 < ybit> s/wave/google
15:46 < fenn> because they canceled the project before releasing 1.0
15:46 < jrayhawk> are they not entitled to the pyruvate of their glycosome?
15:47 < fenn> <_<
15:47 < ybit> hrm, i liked it, they only cancelled because no one understood wtf it was
15:47 < fenn> it was a premature hype issue
15:47 < ybit> i guess
15:47 < QuantumG> ahh wave.. the failure of poor technology, horrible rollout and unrecognized existing competition.
15:48 < fenn> they didnt have a solid base to demo from, but still invited a small number of developers, causing a big pile up at the entrance
15:48 < QuantumG> apparently they still use it internally
15:48 < fenn> meanwhile etherpad is becoming quite popular
15:48 < ybit> the only problem wave ever gave me was it would slow down after writing quite a bit of text
15:48 < kanzure> ayn rand is considered dangerous
15:48 < kanzure> please don't become an 'objectivist'
15:49 < QuantumG> heh
15:49 < jrayhawk> a ciggarette is like the flame of creativity; toke up, dude
15:49 < kanzure> i wonder if the audio tape version also has the random ads for her institute in the middle of it
15:49 < kanzure> ybit: you mean their ui?
15:49 < kanzure> ybit: the wave server project is still going on..
15:50 < ybit> yar
15:50 < kanzure> wave-the-server/wave-the-protocol
15:50 < ybit> and yar
15:50 < kanzure> someone should make a bitcoin wave
15:50 < kanzure> where everyone has to pay a bitcoin to the person in front of them
15:50 < kanzure> or somethingg
15:50 < ybit> i used it a lot for work until the boss man told me to start using pen and paper
15:50 < QuantumG> have you seen the latest success in the bitcoin hype campaign?
15:50 < kanzure> if it's well-crafted, it can topple both wave and bitcoin
15:50 < kanzure> no?
15:51 < fenn> and then victory will be ours
15:51 < ybit> \o\
15:51 < ybit> /o/
15:51 < QuantumG> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/08/us-financial-bitcoins-idUSTRE7573T320110608
15:51 < kanzure> that was from a few days ago
15:51 < kanzure> old news by now
15:51 < QuantumG> yeah.. Senators will believe anything won't they?
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15:52 < ybit> i've been speaking with a guy who works with strages
15:53 < ybit> he mentioned that he might be able to help me with fetching iso docs
15:53 < kanzure> i still don't get it ybit
15:53 < kanzure> i've given you everything
15:53 < kanzure> and more :(
15:53 < ybit> cept the protocols
15:53 < kanzure> the what?
15:53 < ybit> you have been giving some good hugs
15:54 < kanzure> do you want a giant pdf saying "YOU'VE FOUND THE GOLD!!" ?
15:54 < ybit> was told yesterday they are ansi docs based on iso, so i don't know how that's going to work out
15:54 < ybit> yesplz
15:55 < ybit> onto other news...
15:55 < ybit> "space program in a box"
15:55 < kanzure> .. no let's solve this iso shit right now
15:55 < kanzure> brb
15:55 < kanzure> phone :( worst timing ever
15:55 < QuantumG> doc fight!
15:56 < fenn> supposedly the actual docs look just like the express files, but with more formatting around them
15:56 < fenn> from this i'd conclude that the express files are the "actual" standard
15:57 < fenn> i think this is a good thing from standards compliance perspective, but unfortunate for the implementor who doesn't know that much about computational geometry
15:57 < ybit> i can't really do anything for awhile anyway, so there's no point in a document throwdown
15:58 < ybit> s/throwdown/fight
15:59 < kanzure> yes, listen to fenn you will!
15:59 < kanzure> docs are easy to understand from a computational geometry perspective, harder for someone who doesn't know about writing languages, parsers and parser parsers
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16:01 < QuantumG> kanzure, I sometimes forget that you and I are a rare breed
16:01 < kanzure> fat and retarded?
16:01 < QuantumG> no no, that's common enough
16:01 < ybit> i was scraping dirt for metal today and started thinking it would be neat if you had a distro specifically made to walk some org through the technical process of throwing stuff into space, but we've already discussed this idea once me thinks
16:02 < kanzure> QuantumG: i don't actually think of myself (or you) as fat or retarded
16:03 < kanzure> just clarifying :)
16:03 < QuantumG> thanks
16:03  * ybit claims the retarded title
16:04 < QuantumG> I remember taking "the compiler class" at uni and being surprised that the entire interest in the class amounted to 8 people, half of whom were confused as to why they took the class.
16:04 < kanzure> meh you're fault for going to school
16:04 < kanzure> you are
16:04 < kanzure> uh *your
16:05 < QuantumG> uni was the best 10 years of my life ;)
16:09 < ybit> space program in a box, essentially == civilization seed talk from 09
16:09 < kanzure> what about it
16:10 < ybit> just thought it was a good idea worth pursuing in life
16:10 < ybit> anyone have exp with windaq?
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16:20 < kanzure> encoder assembly machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbkylfpWve0
16:25 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agencia_Espacial_Mexicana :: Budget: MXN$100 million (~8,500,000USD)
16:25  * ybit thought it was bigger
16:27 < kanzure> 'copyright violation uploaded by superkuh2' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu-pWSFw5TQ
16:27 < kanzure> what..
16:28 < fenn> i've found a new source of inspiration for my diy keyboard design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Printing_Telegraph.jpg
16:28 < fenn> now that's a console (literally)
16:29 < QuantumG> presumably you use pedals as shift/function keys
16:30 < kanzure> my consoles have to be at least 30m tall and 20m wide
16:30 < kanzure> or else it just doesn't work form e.
16:30 < kanzure> for me.
16:38 < QuantumG> oh, another way of describing Atlas Shrugged is that it's like a long thread on a mailing list.
16:38 < QuantumG> with multi-page rants in response to single comments.
16:48 < AlonzoTG> =P
16:48 < fenn> it's like a tooth that hurts whenever you poke it but you can't stop
16:52 < kanzure> did you ever get that fixed
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17:17 < kanzure> paul has taken up his complaints with nathan now..
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17:19 < QuantumG> umm.. why can't I find when the Bacteriophage structure was first determined?
17:23 < kanzure> what do you mean by structure? crystallography?
17:23 < kanzure> or phage genes?
17:24 < QuantumG> I mean "what it looks like"
17:25 < kanzure> crystallography.
17:25 < CryptoQuick> xrayz
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21:54 < kanzure> heh buckminster fuller dropped out of college. nice.
21:59 < foucist> all smart guys drop out of college
21:59 < foucist> it's the stupid ones that finish
21:59 < foucist> heh
22:08 < mayko> i knew i should have quit while i was ahead :(
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22:32 < kanzure> foucist: i'mma be the best of all of yall and drop out of college fifteen times, dammit
22:37 < AlonzoTG> fouc: agreed.
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