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05:08 < antipragmatist> kanzure are you here ?
05:08 < antipragmatist> i need your help
05:08 < antipragmatist> i want to plan a hit kill
05:09 < antipragmatist> i am gonna take them down man
05:10 < antipragmatist> each atomic molecule one by one
05:11 < antipragmatist> im gonna  control it man
05:11 < antipragmatist> each atom
05:22 < antipragmatist> can you just get me this article http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=41&gs_id=8&xhr=t&q=A+fully+computer+controlled%2C+low+cost+STM&qe=QSBmdWxseSBjb21wdXRlciBjb250cm9sbGVkLCBsb3cgY29zdCBTVE0&qesig=q4YHi1k8WRc47oWTgg2U9g&pkc=AFgZ2tl0D7DH6cCHFPBYgbgBx5Ht_uxGIVXVeNHwGFBUa-7UqcTo9FVPMAzYuDDZYNIrCOXvh51GYCp-AUQDyydNAh04g9skiA&pf=p&sclient=tablet-gws&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=A+fully+computer+controlled,+low+cost+
05:22 < antipragmatist> sorry wrong url http://www.springerlink.com/content/j75m270v635v534p/
05:45 < antipragmatist> niven y do usay that
05:45 < antipragmatist> scared?
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06:24 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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07:01 < antipragmatist> hey jose what is in the bit bucket
07:02 < antipragmatist> i am into nano tech kanzure is mentoring me so I can do it quickly
07:03 < antipragmatist> and yes, i got the afm doc from him already :-)
07:04 < antipragmatist> are you still here guy?
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07:06 < antipragmatist> i am very happy to be here it is a great place in the usa.
07:06 < JayDugger> Welcome to America!
07:07 < JayDugger> If you become a citizen, I'll send you a complimentary copy of tax preparation software for April 15th, the day federal income tax comes due. :)
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07:10 < JayDugger> I'll also send you a combined thank-you note and congrulatory card. :)
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07:10 < JayDugger> s/congrualtory/congratulatory/
07:10 < antipragmatist> thank you. i shall do tha -... it i my dream
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07:14 < antipragmatist> i am designing a stm for my nano poject. it will we immensely simplified but i hope to get it working really well with optimiztions in isolation system and added laser interferometry system for better computer control.
07:15 < JayDugger> I don't have any particular technical skills that would help you there, I'm afraid, but I wish you a great deal of success with that project. You will certainly learn a lot from it.
07:15 < antipragmatist> i am unsure as to the benefits of cryogenics thtoughff
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07:16 < fenn> jamie mantzel's house reminds me of burning man
07:16 < antipragmatist> yes, that is very true and i hope to learn as much as i can from the toy.
07:16 < antipragmatist> it will be fun!!!
07:17 < antipragmatist> i want to leRn to control the atom bit by bit
07:17 < antipragmatist> bye bye for now
07:17 < JayDugger> Good-bye, and again--good luck!
07:20 < fenn> fuck logarithmic calendars, i want a hyperbolic calendar
07:22 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/conformal_mapping.png
07:35  * fenn wonders if he's going to halcyon today to build some crap
07:36 < fenn> a big styrofoam box for the new TEM
07:42 < fenn> huh.
07:42 < kanzure> hm?
07:42 < fenn> [6~[6~looking at nature.com i see this on the sidebar
07:42 < fenn> Open innovation challenges
07:42 < fenn> Isolating Active Human Endogenous Interleukin-25
07:42 < fenn> Deadline:Nov 29 2011Reward:$15,000 USD
07:42 < kanzure> "We have received a request from this email address to be subscribed to the Ezproxy list. Generally these requests come from educational institutions. Please explain your interest in this list. Thank you."
07:43 < fenn> I AM THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION
07:44 < kanzure> fenn: you should use deliquentme and do your robots
07:44 < kanzure> roboits
07:44 < kanzure> *robits
07:46 < fenn> $30,000 USDnGiven genetic variables (expression levels for ~7400 genes) and outcome data, deliver an efficient computer program that selects the most powerfully predictive variables, then uses these to accurately predict outcomes.  Acceptable solutions must be implemented as an R package
07:46 < fenn> use delinquentme how?
07:46 < kanzure> yeah um i can't imagine less than 500 people are making that R package
07:47 < kanzure> well, he's eager and idealistic and has many of the same goals
07:49 < fenn> innocentive is interesting, i wonder if they actually pay up
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07:50 < kanzure> i've been getting innocentive emails for the past few years
07:50 < kanzure> can't answer that..
07:50 < kanzure> maybe you should look at tasks on http://scienceexchange.com/
07:50 < kanzure> are you still looking for things to do
07:52  * fenn glances over at the ginormous project list
07:52 < fenn> yeah, of course
07:53 < kanzure> i mean paying things
07:54 < fenn> science exchange looks very institution prejudiced
07:55 < fenn> paying things are good
07:55 < fenn> is anyone working on that nootropics price comparison site idea?
07:55 < kanzure> yep http://www.drugstack.com/
07:55 < kanzure> klafka and i are brogramming it
07:56  * fenn winces
07:57 < kanzure> hey it's not bad for 20min of work you dork
07:57 < fenn> i hate websites like that
07:57 < kanzure> what do you want? octopart.com?
07:58 < fenn> compare http://octopart.com/
07:58 < fenn> a) no bullshit ecommerce theme
07:58 < kanzure> don't worry about the layout
07:58 < fenn> b) words n stuff that are actually related to what the website is about
07:58 < kanzure> worry about all my scrapers
07:58 < fenn> what scrapers
07:59 < kanzure> scraping various vendor sites
07:59 < kanzure> i've been writing jquery
07:59 < kanzure> stuf
07:59 < fenn> what have you scraped so far?
07:59 < kanzure> nothing :) but this is presumably the actually important part
07:59 < kanzure> not the random-ass landing page
07:59 < fenn> i guess
07:59 < fenn> you can probably hire indians to do the "scraping"
07:59 < kanzure> or you
07:59 < fenn> heh
08:00 < fenn> you can pay per price recorded
08:00 < kanzure> haha no
08:00 < fenn> why not
08:00 < fenn> want to be a wage slavemaster?
08:01 < kanzure> because software can easily scale beyond my entire net worth
08:01 < fenn> you can scale in equity then
08:01 < kanzure> equity doesn't pay your bills
08:01 < fenn> you're right, but if you don't have the cash then what's the point of arguing
08:02 < kanzure> i do have the cash, but not the cash to pay $0.01 per price x 100 million items
08:03 < fenn> hm i hope kent responds before the last bullet train leaves
08:05 < kanzure> o shitz http://mulberry.toura.com/overview/
08:11 < nuba> kanzure: join #touramulberry on freenode :)
08:18 < kanzure> fenn: so klafka and i are wondering about the nootropics site,
08:18 < kanzure> and there's two sets of scrapers you can imagine;
08:18 < kanzure> one that grabs prices
08:18 < kanzure> and another to seed data about drugs, like from wikipedia or another source
08:18 < kanzure> the second one is a bit curious.. any suggestions? scrape wikipedia Category:Nootropics ?
08:19 < fenn> hum
08:19 < fenn> to get a list of things to scrape for in the first place?
08:20 < kanzure> no
08:20 < kanzure> products have ingredients
08:20 < kanzure> these ingredients are generic chemicals or other substances
08:20 < kanzure> it would be nice to have information about these general things
08:20 < fenn> right
08:21 < fenn> it's hard to summarize a lot of technical information from disparate sources
08:21 < fenn> also wikipedia has a lot of extraneous information
08:21 < kanzure> maybe it should be broken down into:
08:21 < kanzure> 1) getting a list of nootropics to seed the database with (easy, but maybe a manual task)
08:21 < kanzure> 2) a scraper that pulls in data from pubchem, wikipedia, or other structured sources, for that general ingredient
08:21 < fenn> or things like "it's used for trating dementia and alzheimer's" which is totally useless
08:22 < fenn> you could list the links at the bottom, that would be useful
08:22 < fenn> i dont think trying to automatically smush various info sources into something resembling a webpage would be good though
08:22 < kanzure> that's not what i want to do
08:22 < kanzure> pubchem gives xml and chemical structures
08:22 < kanzure> and things
08:22 < fenn> ok
08:23 < kanzure> i think having that info available is important?
08:23 < fenn> not really, but it would be nice eye candy
08:23 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrafinil
08:23 < kanzure> the shit on the right
08:23 < kanzure> is structured data
08:23 < kanzure> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi?term=63547-13-7&rn=1
08:23 < fenn> i mean who cares about molecular weight of a drug
08:23 < kanzure> http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=3033226
08:23 < kanzure> half-life, excretion
08:23 < kanzure> routes
08:23 < kanzure> legal status
08:24 < fenn> bioavailability is an interesting metric
08:24 < fenn> never noticed that before
08:25 < fenn> legal status is also a good one
08:25 < kanzure> yeh i wonder if it changes per wikipedia language
08:25 < strages_> I <3 you guys
08:25 < strages_> everytime I come in here, I learn something new
08:25 < fenn> has different country codes, see i.e. modafinil
08:26 < kanzure> hah
08:26 < kanzure> ok so this sort of information seems important to me
08:27 < fenn> cody was saying the way the developed modafinil was like "hey, so antihistamines make you drowsy, what would an anti-antihistamine do?"
08:28 < fenn> yes i now agree wikipedia structured data is important
08:29 < kanzure> so there should probably be user-curated content on each general drug or each product
08:29 < fenn> for a while i've been meaning to print out various chemical structures and put them on my wall
08:29 < kanzure> especially since there's no general way to point to "THIS IS WHERE IT AFFECTS THE BRAINZ" in a diagram or something
08:31 < kanzure> i haven't mapped out all the features yet
08:31 < fenn> lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Gum
08:31 < kanzure> so a user makes a regimen.. and another user can comment on it? or another user can press a copy button and attach it to his account?
08:31 < kanzure> or a regimen is subscribed to?
08:32 < fenn> subscribed to means you watch for changes? or you're "actively doing"  that regimen?
08:32 < kanzure> dunno
08:36 < kanzure> fenn: so ai-class turned out to be a publicity stunt for a company, eh?
08:36 < fenn> huh?
08:37 < fenn> why do you say that?
08:37 < kanzure> know labs
08:37 < kanzure> http://knowlabs.com/
08:37 < fenn> they're the people who take the video and put it online
08:37 < fenn> hardly a publicity stunt to do their job
08:38 < kanzure> hrm
08:38 < fenn> i think it's just one guy
08:39 < fenn> eesh
08:39 < fenn> 7 bed, 7 bath, 5324 sq. ft. house located at 13818 PAGE MILL Rd, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022 sold for $5949900 on May 17, 2010
08:40 < fenn> is the address of the company
08:40 < kanzure> los altos.. yeah
08:43 < fenn> hm well i'm off to redwood city for better or worse
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09:19 < kanzure> http://www.wikistep.org/bugzilla/ ISO 10303 'official'
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09:45 < antipragmatist> fenn what do you  ean bythaat ylu are the educational institution?
09:48 < antipragmatist> fenn what do you mean by, "I AM THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION" ?
09:49 < kanzure> it was a funny remark to the bullshit email i got about ezproxy
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09:50 < antipragmatist> ok :-)  i was thin,ing he was a dean or something .... hehehe
09:51 < antipragmatist> i think that molecular assembly is nondetministic  because you can not computer outcome only most probable. it is mostly a wait and see situation.
09:52 < antipragmatist> even qed is not definitive andit i feel is closer reality than traditional qm.
09:53 < antipragmatist> feynman w
09:54 < antipragmatist> says that everything is particle and shows how qed, via feynman diagrams, how this is so.
09:55 < antipragmatist> not a qed expert but one would think it would the only tool to create nano.
09:56 < antipragmatist> sadly, bothit and qm can only suggestit is possble a d nothing more.
09:57 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/ have fun..
09:57 < antipragmatist> thankies
09:59 < antipragmatist> you know i have aall but given up looking for answers i seek regarding nanotech in book or web....
10:00 < antipragmatist> eachbook or article has only pipe dreams but nothing concrete ... just obscure abstractness and complicated formulas that amount to nothing.
10:04 < antipragmatist> at this point, i truly believe that anything tangibly useful will be completly new and unlike the current state nanotech... a whole new paradigm
10:04 < antipragmatist> my problem is i have no idea yet ...
10:06 < antipragmatist> justlike the scientists doing research ... however do you think i have advantage by not being train think like a "scientist"?
10:06 < kanzure> no
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10:07 < antipragmatist> ok, so i should seek out traditonal learing to?
10:07 < kanzure> yes- read the papers, run the simulations, build a laboratory
10:08 < antipragmatist> ok
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10:08 < antipragmatist> appreciate thehelp
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15:44 < antipragmatist> hi
15:44 < kanzure> hi
15:44 < antipragmatist> AnY diamonoid'ist here
15:44 < antipragmatist> hi kanzure
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17:12 < ybit> http://tylerwoods.bandcamp.com/track/silicon-fields-z3t30-glowing-rain-remix
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