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00:41 < dopklop> good evening
00:42 < dopklop> this is a transhumanism channel?
00:53 <@kanzure> yep
00:53 <@kanzure> dopklop: what's up?
00:58 < dopklop> just saw a link to this channel on reddit and was wondering why its named #hplusroadmap
00:58 < dopklop> are people here working on a roadmap?
00:59 <@kanzure> well, yes
00:59 <@kanzure> there was a transhumanist technical roadmap
01:00 <@kanzure> some combination of do-it-yourself biohacking and other projects
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01:02 < dopklop> *was* a roadmap?
01:02 < dopklop> is it current?
01:02 < kanzure> nope
01:02 < kanzure> i've been busy being busy
01:02 < kanzure> and we're all too lazy to change the channel name
01:03 < dopklop> I cannot help but think governments would hate the idea of citizens biohacking
01:03 < kanzure> yeh, the fbi has had me (and others of us) in as consultants on .. policy issues
01:04 < dopklop> biohackers might go the way of Iranian nuclear scientists
01:04 < kanzure> the two primary fbi peeps assigned to us are agent edward you (yes, agent you) and agent nathan head..
01:04 < kanzure> http://bit.ly/diybionews2
01:05 < dopklop> great link, thanks!
01:12 < foucist> agent you give yourself great agent head!
01:13 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg
01:15 < dopklop> What is that, zombie apocalypse cosplay?
01:15 < kanzure> that image used to be on their 'bioterrorism task force' webpage
01:16 < kanzure> dopklop: http://www.amazon.com/Biopunk-Scientists-Hack-Software-Life/dp/1617230022
01:22 < dopklop> just wait till biohackers violate some corporations IP. They'll lobby to outlaw and criminalize it :(
01:23 < kanzure> ah, but then only the outlaws will know biology..
01:24 < dopklop> we're all outlaws in the eyes of a good government proesecuter
01:26 < kanzure> alright, i need to sleep
01:26 < kanzure> good night
01:27 < dopklop> night
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12:01 < kanzure> oh god :( http://test.humanityplus.org/
12:04 < ybit> what about it?
12:04 < kanzure> ybit: http://test.humanityplus.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PeopleMosaic_with-text.png
12:05 < kanzure> that's what's wrong with it.
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12:05 < ybit> hah, yeah...
12:06 < ybit> de grey and goertzel seem to be doing things
12:06 < ybit> i mihgt be wrong
12:06 < kanzure> goertzel's busy ostricizing me or something
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12:07 < ybit> hrm, why?
12:07 < ybit> legal stuff?
12:07 < kanzure> yeah..
12:07 < kanzure> whatever :P
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12:08 < kanzure> hah "I was writing this more in the sense that kids at BioCurious (and the DIY Bio Movement in general) are doing electrophoresis to transfer DNA from glowing jellyfish to bacteria. This is just a few (two?) years after someone got a Nobel prize for that."
12:08 < kanzure> that's a little unfair- the noble prize process can be very slow sometimes
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12:12 < delinquentme> the nobel prize was also given to obama
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12:14 < ybit> kanzure: if you are no longer associted with h+, why are you still listed here: http://humanityplus.org/projects/gadaprize/
12:14 < ybit> "Questions and comments should be directed to Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> (Asst. Director of R&D, Humanity+) or by phone at +1-512-203-0507."
12:15 < kanzure> because they don't know how to edit websites
12:15 < kanzure> it's been like that for almost a year
12:15 < delinquentme> @_@
12:15 < delinquentme> who doesnt know how to website??
12:15 < kanzure> the people at humanity+
12:15 < delinquentme> my 15 year old brother does SQL injections
12:15 < ybit> yeah, now that i think of it, this has been brought up before
12:15 < delinquentme> they're not .. advancing ?
12:15 < kanzure> delinquentme: you have no idea how fucked up they are
12:16 < kanzure> they are all talk
12:16 < kanzure> btw, i'd like to meet your brother
12:16 < delinquentme> well sometimes talking is ok
12:16 < delinquentme> its better than doing nothing
12:16 < delinquentme> but doing sheet is le gosu
12:16  * delinquentme sees what he did there
12:16 < kanzure> delinquentme: these are people who have been in the "transhumanist community" for 30+ years and still haven't bothered to learn molecular biology
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12:22 < Urchin> humanity+ draws a lot of members from philosophers and such, who are predictably not good in computer stuff
12:22 < Urchin> I've seen some poets in my time there
12:23 < Urchin> I'd say technical competence is not a norm there
12:23 < kanzure> i tried to inject some technical projects into their organization
12:23 < kanzure> so that's how gadaprize.org happened..
12:23 < kanzure> but yeah, it's just not worth it
12:25 < Urchin> I've been mostly absent from the transhumanist movement for a few years now
12:25 < kanzure> Urchin: do you have an skills/background?
12:25 < Urchin> I'm a physics student
12:25 < Urchin> with some computer science education
12:25 < kanzure> Urchin: have you caught up with diybio?
12:26 < kanzure> http://bit.ly/diybionews2
12:26 < Urchin> I know it exists, and has made ground in the time that I was absent
12:26 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio
12:26 < Urchin> but I'm not particularly interested
12:26 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/
12:26 < kanzure> ah i see
12:26 < kanzure> and what's your interest in transhumanism then?
12:26 < Urchin> I was looking at nanotech when I was really enthusiastic
12:27 < kanzure> Urchin: did you see that i acquired the cvs repository for nanoengineer?
12:27 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer
12:27 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev
12:27 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/
12:27 < kanzure> i figured it was better than letting nanorex die a quiet death
12:28 < Urchin> it's a fork of nanorex?
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12:29 < Urchin> like I said, I'm not current in what's happening
12:29 < kanzure> nanorex was a company that was developing nanoengineer
12:30 < kanzure> but then mark decided to close nanorex
12:30 < kanzure> nanoengineer was "open source" but not the code repository
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12:32 < Urchin> well, great that you kept it alive
12:35 < Urchin> I was recently wondering what happened to that project, though I forgot it's name
12:37 < kanzure> maybe you will contribute patches/commits
12:38 < Urchin> perhaps, if I get into it
12:38 < Urchin> or when I get into it
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12:41 < Urchin> it's written in C?
12:41 < kanzure> python
12:41 < kanzure> mostly python
12:42 < Urchin> I can live with that combination
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12:47 < Urchin> now to wait for omega to get to his client
12:50 < Urchin> lol, now that you mention it, my own chapter's website is in old dated html and hasn't been updated in years
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12:51 < kanzure> hi hasp
12:52 < Hasp> Hello
12:52 < Urchin> and that was a typo fix
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12:52 < Hasp> How's it going?
12:52 < Urchin> the last update I mean
12:53 < Urchin> I just realized how ancient the website for my chapter of humanity+ really is
12:53 < kanzure> html4.1 heck yeah
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12:53 < kanzure> leading butt of technology
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12:54 < Urchin> it even features a blurry WTA logo, lol
12:54 < Urchin> I mean, look at it: http://transhumanizam.fizika.org
12:54 < kanzure> haha .jpg
12:55 < Hasp> Haha it looks like it's been there for a little while
12:55 < kanzure> and your forum links to... http://www.phpbbplanet.com/
12:55 < kanzure> i'm not impressed
12:56 < Urchin> it was made in 2007, with a typo fix in 2009
12:56 < Urchin> lol
12:57 < Hasp> lol
12:57 < kanzure> Hasp: what brings you around here?
12:57 < ybit> ideas for making money with a reprap?
12:57 < Hasp> Kanzure, an interest in transhumanism. Looking to get my feet wet with amateur biology
12:57 < Urchin> links are in the sorryest state
12:59 < kanzure> Hasp: alright, cool
12:59 < kanzure> Hasp: do you have any biology training
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13:00 < Hasp> Kanzure: I wish. I'm a highschool student who knows a bit about comp sci, but I haven't had the chance to get further into bio
13:00 < kanzure> um.. why are you in high school?
13:00 < kanzure> that's a very peculiar life choice
13:01 < Hasp> What do you mean?
13:01 < kanzure> it's just not that useful if you're actually interested in amateur biology or comp sci
13:01 < kanzure> they rarely tend to have somenoe around that knows about either of those things; rarely both
13:01 < kanzure> *even more rarely both
13:02 < Hasp> Well, dropping out of school certainly wouldn't help
13:02 < kanzure> uh
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13:02 < kanzure> well anyway, let's overlook that
13:02 < Urchin> lol
13:02 < kanzure> Hasp: what sort of compsci do you know
13:02 < Hasp> You're suggesting I don't graduate? : P
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13:03 < kanzure> if you really value a high school diploma, GEDs are pretty easy to grab
13:03 < kanzure> but honestly, nobody has ever asked to see whether or not i have a diploma from a high school
13:03 < Hasp> Going onto college certainly helps, though
13:03 < kanzure> only if you want to get a college degree,
13:03 < kanzure> they can't really stop you from registering for classes
13:03 < kanzure> just like any other adult
13:04 < Hasp> I would like a college degree, though
13:04 < kanzure> but yeah, what sorta compsci stuff do you know
13:04 < Hasp> Scripting, and I'm learning robotics programming at the moment as well
13:05 < kanzure> what sorta scripting if i may sk
13:05 < kanzure> *ask
13:05 < Hasp> Which language or for what purpose?
13:05 < kanzure> tools, and i guess whatever you've built :)
13:06 < kanzure> yeah
13:07 < Hasp> For robotics I'm using C/C++, for my general scripting I use Perl
13:07 < kanzure> ah okay. cool.
13:07 < kanzure> there's some amateur biology stuff people have contributed to CPAN
13:07 < Urchin> perl is used by biologists a lot
13:07 < kanzure> from the diybio group.. let's see..
13:07 < kanzure> http://search.cpan.org/~jcline/Robotics-0.23/
13:07 < Hasp> Sweet. I've been checking out the BioPerl page too
13:07 < kanzure> bioperl is more about bioinformatics
13:08 < Hasp> Ah, I'll have a look
13:08 < kanzure> this is for lab automation ;)
13:08 < Hasp> Excellent! Thank you
13:08 < kanzure> delinquentme can also rant about his liquid handling robot he built
13:08 < Hasp> I'd love to hear about it
13:08 < kanzure> delinquentme: test test
13:09 < delinquentme> true @ urchin
13:09 < delinquentme> reading the thread :D
13:09 < delinquentme> jcline is a good dude
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13:10 < delinquentme> yeah Hasp this is a cool place .. have a robot! https://github.com/delinquentme/LH002/raw/master/images/LH002_full_01.png
13:10 < Hasp> Oooh... purdy
13:11 < delinquentme> Oh and this is VERY VERY sexy: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/emergingtech/robotic-surgeons-get-open-source-boost/3101
13:11 < delinquentme> they've actually got it prototyped and everything
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13:12 < delinquentme> and right now I'm bugtesting some BioPython code via modEncodes API
13:12 < delinquentme> #hot
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13:13 < Hasp> *clap*
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13:14 < delinquentme> Hasp but yeah welcome to the future we're building things
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13:14 < delinquentme> You got things you're interested in working on?
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13:15 < kanzure> delinquentme: he seems to have some python/c skill, so we could probably throw him at ..something
13:15 < delinquentme> Umm i second kanzure's statement about college  but finishing highschool might be OK
13:16 < delinquentme> well what does he want to do
13:16 < delinquentme> PS did i mention that Pitt has an Anton cluster kanzure ?
13:16 < Hasp> Biochem, most likely
13:16 < delinquentme> found out about it ... they keep this shit really locked down .. wont even respond to my emails
13:16 < delinquentme> Hasp, good focus
13:16 < delinquentme> Biochem and programming = hotness for sure
13:17 < Hasp> I was thinking Biochem major, comp sci minor
13:17 < kanzure> why are you getting a degree?
13:18 < delinquentme> like
13:18 < delinquentme> school isnt bad
13:18 < delinquentme> but if you dont want to spend the cash you dont have to
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13:18 < kanzure> Hasp: if it's to get a job, you should just get an internship during your first or second semester, use that and call it quits on college
13:18 < delinquentme> disclaimer: it might also ruin your love of science
13:19 < kanzure> delinquentme: and most of the time, high school students don't have that cash anyway
13:19 < Hasp> So I can continue to higher education. The reason for that is twofold: personally that I love learning, practically that it will allow higher positions  in employment
13:19 < delinquentme> umm
13:19 < kanzure> ok, so if you just want employment then you should go do an internship asap
13:19 < delinquentme> it DID
13:19 < Hasp> Well, I sort of "cheat" in that I come from a well-off family
13:19 < delinquentme> for your parents yes
13:19 < kanzure> degrees don't mean much anymore
13:19 < delinquentme> but you're not getting a job in anything high right off the bat
13:19 < Hasp> I've been looking for internships
13:19 < delinquentme> and better yet you can get someone ELSE to pay for your college
13:19 < kanzure> except maybe programming
13:19 < delinquentme> esp if you're @ and edu inst
13:20 < kanzure> anyway,
13:20 < delinquentme> you can go the route of college and only use it so you can ask profs questions
13:20 < kanzure> consider spending cash on your projects instead
13:21 < kanzure> (especially if you're careful about the project scope)
13:21 < Hasp> I live near Cambrige, so there are a lot of businesses which snipe college students
13:22 < kanzure> Hasp: what sort of projects would be interested in doing in amateur biology?
13:22 < kanzure> are you more into dna synthesis, watching birds, biohacking, molecular stuff..
13:22 < Hasp> Anything molecular, usually
13:22 < Hasp> I'm not really into macroscopic biology
13:23 < delinquentme> well being a chemist mol bio is your thing
13:23 < delinquentme> but molecular bio is
13:23 < delinquentme> um
13:23 < delinquentme> HUGE
13:24 < Hasp> I know
13:24 < delinquentme> any interests more niche?
13:24 < Hasp> Well, because I don't have much experience in the field, it's hard to say what I'd want to spend a lot of time on
13:24 < delinquentme> disclaimer: we can niche down all day long .. even I've only narrowed it down to : big computers, AI and bioinformatics
13:24 < delinquentme> Hasp, go read
13:24 < delinquentme> fiercebiotech
13:24 < delinquentme> technology review
13:24 < delinquentme> synthetic bio is a hot thing right now
13:25 < delinquentme> anything with drew endy or whats his face
13:25 < delinquentme> venter
13:25 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us:9000/random has some review videos
13:25 < Hasp> Syntheic bio is quite interesting
13:25 < Hasp> Sweet, thanks
13:25 < Mariu> like DARPA creating synthetic soldiers ?
13:26 < Mariu> or is that a rumour ?
13:26 < delinquentme> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328475.100-gold-nano-ears-set-to-listen-in-on-cells.html
13:26 < delinquentme> this is cool too
13:26 < delinquentme> nanotech "speakers"
13:26 < Hasp> Nice
13:27 < Hasp> (I have to go soon)
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13:30 < Hasp> Thanks a bunch for all of your guys help in here so far
13:36 < delinquentme> WOWWWWW
13:36 < delinquentme> this is awesome
13:36 < delinquentme> Hasp, have a good one
13:36 < delinquentme> this script works
13:37 < Hasp> See you all later. Take it easy
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15:45 < kanzure> ok i put the pokemon red disassembly up on hacker news
15:45 < kanzure> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3473111
15:45 < kanzure> upvotes would be appreciated :P
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16:01 < uniqanomaly> kanzure: isn't it prohibited by license? if yes it is probably copyright violation unless you do it looking for security vulnerabilities ;)
16:02 < kanzure> the violation is sharing the rom file
16:02 < kanzure> also, comments on the hn thread appreciated, like that one :)
16:02 < uniqanomaly> sorry haven't registered acc
16:02 < kanzure> it's openid
16:04 < uniqanomaly> "violated the terms of the EULA -- a contract. This contract violation then meant that the license to acquire or use the software was violated, and Lynn was using a copyrighted work (the software) without the consent of the copyright holder -- thus a copyright violation -- which gets Cisco into federal court rather than state court"
16:04 < uniqanomaly> from http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/349
16:04 < kanzure> i was giong to dump
16:04 < kanzure> dfjdfjdk
16:04 < kanzure> ignore that
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18:02 < epitron> uniqanomaly: jesus
18:05 < kanzure> hi epitron
18:05 < uniqanomaly> epitron: yes?
18:05 < epitron> hi kanzure
18:06 < epitron> uniqanomaly: i was reacting to the link
18:08 < uniqanomaly> ;)
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18:56 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
19:00 < ybit> g'day JayDugger
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19:11 < uniqanomaly> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/opinion/research-bought-then-paid-for.html?_r=1 wtf
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22:22 < kanzure> http://total-impact.org/ "Create a collection of research objects you want to track. We'll provide you a report of the total impact of this collection."
22:23 < kanzure> hrm..
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22:23 < kanzure> hi ziyadb
22:29 < Mariu> later everyone
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23:20 < kanzure> hi agent good head..
23:22 < AgentGoodHead> hello kanzure
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