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10:35 < kanzure> hi nmz787
10:44 < nmz787> hi kanzure
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12:22 < nmz7871> kanzure: how do we get mediawiki on gnusha/diyhpl.us?
12:23 < nmz7871> instead of whatever it is now
12:23 < nmz7871> or better interface on the ikiwiki
12:25 < kanzure> nmz7871: pick something from here http://ikiwiki.info/css_market/
12:26 < kanzure> nmz7871: jrayhawk likes https://antportal.com/wiki/
12:27 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 40b11ce use the antportal ikiwiki css
12:28 < kanzure> there you go.. http://diyhpl.us/ (just be sure to refresh if it looks the same)
12:30 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 59c84f8 fix the registration link?
12:32 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 198661b include a link to cgit and the clone line
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12:41 < nmz7871> looks better!
12:41 < nmz7871> why doesn't this page continue to utilize the stylesheet and have some sort of toolbar ??? http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna-synthesis.html
12:42 < nmz7871> like this page does http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq/
12:43 < jrayhawk> kanzure got lazy and did raw html there
12:44 < jrayhawk> kanzure: there are some html2markdown solutions
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12:46 < nmz7871> he said ikiwiki can take raw html
12:47 < jrayhawk> Yeah, he uploaded a literal html file, which ikiwiki doesn't render. If he were to include html snippets in one of the renderable formats, those would get wrapped.
12:48 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how do i install the mediawiki syntax plugin?
12:48 < kanzure> er.. not mediawiki.. it's called uh.. wikisomething.. wikitext? whatever the awful thing is that mediawiki uses.
12:50 < nmz7871> where can i pay someone to write 2 english papers for me?
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12:51 < kanzure> nmz787: odesk, guru, elance, freelancer, vworker, fiverr, craigslist
12:54 < kanzure> hmm github git:// is broken?
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12:55 < kanzure> seems to be https://github.com/jmtd/mediawiki.pm/blob/master/mediawiki.pm
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13:02 < jrayhawk> you can slap it into /usr/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/ and echo 'push(@{$conf->{add_plugins}}, qw{ mediawiki });' into either (globally) /etc/ikiwiki/piny.setup.pl and run sudo piny-ikiwiki-mass-rebuild or (specifically) into /etc/ikiwiki/wiki.setup.pl and rebuildrepo wiki
13:04 < nmz787> delinquentme: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Hybrid%20error%20correction%20and%20de%20novo%20assembly%20of%20single-molecule%20sequencing%20reads.pdf
13:04 < nmz787> you posted a media article about that a few days ago
13:04 < nmz787> delinquentme: a DVD is NOT a poor man's prism, it is a poor man's grating
13:04 < delinquentme> this is the schadt software for the pac bio?
13:04 < delinquentme> nmz787, explain.
13:04 < delinquentme> prez
13:05 < nmz787> gratings are nothing new either, and anyone that knows what a grating is will know a DVD/CD can do similar
13:05 < nmz787> explain what?
13:06 < delinquentme> im lost on grating
13:06 < delinquentme> so grating is a ton of mini prisms?
13:07 < nmz787> no
13:07 < nmz787> it is a grating
13:08 < nmz787> you know what a grating is for roadways to drain water into the sewer?
13:08 < nmz787> lines of metal with void between them
13:08 < nmz787> to sieve out trash and so people don't fall into the sewer
13:08 < nmz787> an optical grating looks the same, but on a micro level
13:08 < delinquentme> thats what we're talking about O_o
13:08 < nmz787> lines with troughs between them
13:08 < delinquentme> umm is the grating of concentric circles or of right angle lines?
13:09 < jrayhawk> i guess it'd be more tasteful to put it in /usr/local/share/perl5/IkiWiki/Plugin/
13:09 < nmz787> generally gratings are parallel lines
13:09 < delinquentme> but then that wouldnt make sense
13:09 < nmz787> DVD and CD they're sort of concentric, but it's actually just one spiral line
13:09 < delinquentme> as the directions specify that the DVD chunk needed to be aligned in a particular manner
13:09 < delinquentme> @_@;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
13:09 < delinquentme> nmz787, how do you know these things!?!?
13:09 < nmz787> right, normal to the center, the DVD lines would be parallel
13:10  * delinquentme is fascinated
13:10 < delinquentme> kind of like looking at longitude / lattitude of earth along the  axis of rotation
13:10  * nmz787 tries to study optics because most biotech uses photons for sensing
13:10 < kanzure> jrayhawk: bleh why do i have to do all this shit myself? https://github.com/mithro/media2iki/pull/1
13:10 < delinquentme> nmz787, i was musing about how useful a website full of these little tricks would be
13:11 < delinquentme> surely there are other methods for hacking together things
13:11 < delinquentme> and if people want to hack expensive robotics shit like this would help
13:11 < nmz787> http://www.scitoyscatalog.com/product/DIFFRACTION.html
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13:12 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grating
13:12 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_grating
13:13 < nmz787> gratings can be blazed (cut) in different manners to change their dispersal characteristics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waveforms.svg
13:13 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazed_grating
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13:13 < nmz787> http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2003-05/1053350704.Ph.r.html
13:14 < jrayhawk> kanzure: fwiw, if you wind up needing to pull from cpan, you should use dh-make-perl
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13:15 < kanzure> JCC: hi.
13:15 < JCC> Howdy channel.
13:15 < nmz787> hi!
13:16 < kanzure> why does mwlib need twisted 12.1 and wtf is re2c
13:17 < JCC> Just got introduced to this channel by the admin of http://transhumani.com/
13:17 < JCC> Would anyone happen to know what his nick is on here?
13:17 < nmz787> is that eudoxia?
13:17 < kanzure> no it's not eudoxia.
13:17 < nmz787> oh
13:17 < kanzure> it's "Stee|"
13:17 < jrayhawk> well, Steel2 at the moment
13:17 < JCC> As suspected.
13:18 < kanzure> jfkdlafjasdkfja i wish setup.py would tell me when it is expecting python2.7
13:18 < JCC> So, this channel's for H+ planning.
13:18 < kanzure> or maybe there's a json-for-python-2.6 that provides json.load
13:19 < jrayhawk> kanzure: are you sure you want to do manual translation step rather than just let mediawiki.pm do its thing?
13:19 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i was thinking i'd at least try this :/
13:19 < kanzure> but no i'm not sure at all
13:19 < nmz787> JCC: that's the main idea, but we talk about everything bio, chem, tech, and programming related
13:19 < jrayhawk> Are you trying to do synchronization between the two?
13:20 < kanzure> jrayhawk: no i just wanted to use the formatter to convert mediawikimarkup-thing to markdown
13:20 < JCC> nmz787: not too broad, then. :)
13:20 < nmz787> JCC: most of what we talk about generally has the aim of being H+ related
13:20 < kanzure> jrayhawk: python mediawiki2markdown.py --no-strict --no-debugger input.wiki > output.md
13:20 < kanzure> but mwlib seems to have some weird "import the revision history of mediawiki pages" feature.. looks like dark magic.
13:21 < kanzure> and it probably requires the mysql db of the target site
13:21 < delinquentme> JCC, yeah kind of " what can we do " type projects  .. and some wildly crazy out there stuff
13:21 < jrayhawk> Does it split out the revisions into separate files or something?
13:21 < kanzure> no it seems to put the revisions into git
13:21 < jrayhawk> huh
13:21 < kanzure> i was going to import this: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ
13:21 < jrayhawk> that's kinda neat and crazy
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13:22 < bkero> I just bought some wearable items today, going to take another stab at it. ;3
13:22 < bkero> ST1080, odroid hardkernel, Twiddler 2.0 input, 10x18650 cell battery
13:23 < eudoxia> hey JCC
13:23 < bkero> kanzure: Are you still in Austin?
13:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk: there's also this thing.. http://scytale.name/blog/2009/11/announcing-levitation
13:23 < kanzure> bkero: yes i am
13:23 < kanzure> eww you have a twiddler now?
13:23 < bkero> I might be coming to texas sometime soon
13:23 < jrayhawk> bkero: When you have your hands on the hardware, I'd be interested in seeing it
13:23 < bkero> jrayhawk: ST1080s are backed up until the end of August
13:24 < jrayhawk> bummer
13:24 < kanzure> i am thoroughly unimpressed http://www.handykey.com/images/twiddler.jpg
13:24 < JCC> hey eudoxia
13:24 < bkero> kanzure: find me a better chorded keyboard
13:24 < bkero> kanzure: it emulated a 105 key :)
13:24 < kanzure> bkero: how about a regular keyboard, except you use it like a chorded keyboard... done.
13:24 < bkero> and there are alternative keymaps
13:25 < bkero> kanzure: I have a bluetooth model M that I use for stationary applications
13:25 < kanzure> did you buy it with bluetooth?
13:25 < bkero> There is no such thing.  I made it.
13:25 < kanzure> there are some bullshit companies that claim to sell "model m equivalents"
13:25 < kanzure> so maybe you bought one of those
13:25 < kanzure> but i see.
13:25 < bkero> No
13:25 < kanzure> ok cool
13:25 < bkero> This is a Model M Spacesaver
13:25 < bkero> IE: No numpad so portable!
13:25 < kanzure> i just have a shitty keytronic
13:26 < kanzure> it was made to look like the model m, except without all the good parts -_-
13:26 < bkero> lamelamelamelamelame
13:26 < bkero> No, I jump up and down on these things to demo for people
13:26 < kanzure> anyway, i don't see how the twiddler is an improvement over the model m
13:27 < kanzure> it looks like a step backwards, or few.
13:27 < bkero> I can use it while travelling
13:27 < kanzure> i carry around a keyboard when necessary
13:27 < kanzure> i don't see the problem?
13:27 < bkero> I mean when physically walking
13:27 < kanzure> me too?
13:27 < bkero> keyboard is not a very good solution when walking :/
13:27 < bkero> especially if I need a free hand
13:27 < kanzure> if you say so.. better than a twiddler.
13:28  * bkero shrugs.  I'll be the judge of that when it gets here.
13:28 < kanzure> i think the wpm max on a twiddler is like, 70, which is as bad as touchscreen phones
13:30 < bkero> I'd think much more accuracy than touchscreen phones though
13:30 < kanzure> well, obviously, physical keyboards on phones are better
13:30 < kanzure> oh damn, i just googled it: "iPhone User Types An Incredible 83 WPM"
13:30 < kanzure> "incredible".. le sigh
13:31 < delinquentme> swype
13:31 < kanzure> swype was bought
13:31 < kanzure> and dart isn't that phenomenal anyway
13:32 < kanzure> s/bought/acquired
13:33 < kanzure> bkero: have you hooked up your bluetooth to a smartphone, and if so does it work well for you?
13:34 < bkero> It works alright, some modification keys like ctrl don't work, and esc acts like back
13:34 < kanzure> i mean your keyboard
13:34 < kanzure> i think esc-as-back is to be expected, especially on android?
13:34 < kanzure> since that's how it works on the tablets
13:34 < kanzure> hrm ok
13:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: so the other reason i was considering mediawiki2markdown is that having multiple formats in the wiki will only confuse things
13:37 < jrayhawk> that's fair, i suppose
13:42 < kanzure> grr mwlib/_uscan.re fails to compile with python2.
13:42 < kanzure> grr mwlib/_uscan.re fails to compile with python2.7
13:43 < jrayhawk> html2markdown might be easier, assuming you don't mind losing the revision info
13:43 < jrayhawk> and don't mind some semi-manual cleanup
13:44 < kanzure> mediawiki2markdown.py doesn't keep revision information anyway
13:44 < kanzure> i can't get revision information without asking openwetware for a db backup
13:44 < kanzure> or i could write a scraper
13:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: dcfb7ea first attempt a at reclaiming my DIYbio FAQ from openwetware.org
13:47 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/converted-faq/
13:47 < kanzure> ehh.
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13:48 < kanzure> i am not convinced that's any good
13:49 < kanzure> i would somewhat enjoy having the revision history ported over, but there have been so few revisions that i might as well do it manually?
13:53 < jrayhawk> perhaps you should ask them for access?
13:55 < kanzure> ah nevermind i forgot about http://openwetware.org/wiki/Special:Export
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14:07 < nmz787> so the st1080 has a applications processor in it?
14:07 < nmz787> or the odroid is separate?
14:07 < nmz787> bkero: ^
14:08 < bkero> nmz787: st1080 has a small processor to switch between 3d modes
14:10 < kanzure> importing DIYbio/FAQ.mediawiki at 2009-04-09 03:55:32 UTC
14:10 < kanzure> fatal: Unsupported command: dith]
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14:16 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1122239/ any ideas?
14:16 < kanzure> this is diyhpluswiki/.git/fast_import_crash_9924
14:17 < kanzure> i think the dith] is from a line that has this at the end: [http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/09e4bcf12548501a Meredith]
14:17 < kanzure> actually, "committer" is wrong.. or maybe "author" should be present.. the original mediawiki commit data said "Mackenzie Cowell", which is definitely not me.
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14:30 < jrayhawk> That's a pretty weird parsing error.
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14:31 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i think this might be expecting an older version of git
14:31 < kanzure> so i rewrote it to use git fast-import with a line like "data <<EOF\nstuff goes here\nEOF" instead of "data 11\nhello world\n" and it works fine now
14:32 < kanzure> the weird thing about this is that jcline apparently took the diybio faq from heybryan.org/mediawiki
14:32 < kanzure> but he didn't preserve revision history
14:33 < jrayhawk> ha ha ha
14:33 < kanzure> i'm so confused :(
14:33 < nmz787> where are you importing to?
14:33 < kanzure> diyhpluswiki.git
14:36 < nmz787> :/
14:36 < nmz787> why not into ikiwiki?
14:36 < jrayhawk> that is an ikiwiki
14:36 < nmz787> ;?
14:36 < nmz787> :/
14:37 < nmz787> i can see it in the rev history
14:37 < kanzure> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ is http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki
14:37 < nmz787> but how do i look at it not through cgit?
14:37 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git
14:37 < kanzure> i also have it up on http://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki just for giggles
14:38 < jrayhawk> nmz787: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/converted-faq/
14:38 < nmz787> but the comment only says diybio/converted-faq.mdwn
14:38 < kanzure> oh, you want what jrayhawk is telling you
14:39 < nmz787> yes
14:39 < nmz787> why doesnt the homepage autopopulate?
14:39 < kanzure> what would you like to be on the homepage?
14:39 < nmz787> or say "see all pages"
14:39 < jrayhawk> I can set that up if you want.
14:39 < kanzure> sure
14:40 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages#mw-specialpagesgroup-pages
14:40 < nmz787> kanzure: ^
14:41 < kanzure> what is this showing me?
14:41 < kanzure> or, rather, why are you showing me this?
14:42 < nmz787> oO this is coolhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategoryTree&target=biology&mode=categories&dotree=Show+tree
14:42 < nmz787> synthetic biology has 0 subcategories
14:43 < kanzure> openwetware is a better wiki for synthetic biology stuff
14:43 < nmz787> but it;s parent bioengineering does
14:43 < kanzure> but openwetware has been on a downward slope in terms of people actively editing (apparently)
14:43 < kanzure> it turns out that forcing igem teams to edit openwetware is not a good strategy for retaining long-term contributors
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14:43 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bioengineers
14:44 < nmz787> meredith patterson is listed by wikipedia as a bioengineer
14:44 < nmz787> venter isn't
14:44 < kanzure> heh.
14:44 < nmz787> keasling isn't
14:44 < yashgaroth> haha
14:45 < nmz787> none of us are
14:45 < nmz787> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bioengineers_by_nationality
14:45 < kanzure> i'm not entirely sure if venter has ever done any lab work
14:45 < nmz787> there are only american and turkish bioengineers
14:46 < nmz787> girl talk (musician) is listed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_bioengineers
14:46 < nmz787> "Gillis began experimenting with deejaying while a student at Chartiers Valley High School in the Pittsburgh suburb of Bridgeville. After a few collaborative efforts he started the solo "Girl Talk" project while studying biomedical engineering at Case Western Reserve University inCleveland, Ohio. In school, Gillis focused on tissue engineering. He later worked as an engineer, but quit in May 2007 to focus solely on music.[4]
14:46 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 28b0886 index: Use a map directive to index content
14:47 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: de0652a index: remove what i presume is an old test comment
14:54 < kanzure> "After successfully mastering tissue engineering, he decided to quit and never use again." eery.
14:54 < jrayhawk> alternatively we can [[!tag mainindex]] individual pages and use [[!map pages="tagged(mainindex)"]] in index.mdwn instead, but really stuff should just get properly organized in the first place
14:54 < kanzure> well, if i cared significantly about making my additions accessible, i would add a link somewhere instead of making them orphan pages
14:54 < kanzure> but most of the time these orphans are orphans for a reason
14:54 < nmz787> ?
14:54 < nmz787> no
14:55 < nmz787> then why add it anyway?
14:55 < nmz787> if people can't see them they can't be stimulated to think about that stuff
14:55 < nmz787> that could lead to improving the doc
14:55 < kanzure> feel free to suggest some things; does the index page look usable now?
14:56 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/
15:00 < gnusha> diyhpluswiki.git: 722990f removed
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15:00 < jrayhawk> wow, that's a lousy commit message
15:01 < nmz787> kanzure: looks better, but is it auto-updating with commits of new pages?
15:01 < jrayhawk> yes
15:02 < kanzure> hrmm the media2iki guy was using ts=3 for his .rb files.. therefore he is pure evil
15:02 < kanzure> there were also some \t's :(
15:03 < kanzure> it's like taking the average between those who use 2 spaces and 4 spaces, and totally fucking it up.
15:03 < kanzure> compromising doesn't work, kids
15:03 < jrayhawk> nmz787: ikiwiki is called by a cgi and/or a post-update hook to recompile pages as appropriate
15:03 < jrayhawk> it is magic
15:04 < jrayhawk> if you want to play with it it you can run 'newrepo the-amazing-nmz787-wiki' on gnusha
15:04 < kanzure> i'm not sure if he has git cloned it to his local machine yet
15:04 < kanzure> nmz787: this is just like any other git repository except gnusha does some things when you send it new commits; also, you can edit from the web.
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15:06 < kanzure> by running newrepo you can create a new ikiwiki instance on gnusha (by default, all repos on gnusha get a wiki based on the contents of the git repository)
15:06 < jrayhawk> i think you can avoid the ikiwiki by passing --disable-ikiwiki on the newrepo commandline
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15:11 < kanzure> jrayhawk: so i'm redoing this git import thing.. what do you recommend for the commit author/committer fields?
15:11 < kanzure> i was thinking: the author should be the mediawiki username/email, and the committer should be openwetware-mediawiki <no-reply@openwetware.org>
15:11 < kanzure> or am i supposed to be the committer?
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15:13 < jrayhawk> I have no particular opinion.
15:13 < jrayhawk> I guess openwetware-mediawiki approach looks humbler; less likely to piss people off
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15:17 < kanzure> hmmm /home/kanzure/.rvm/rubies/ruby-1.9.2-p290/lib/ruby/1.9.1/rexml/parent.rb:59:in `[]': can't convert String into Integer (TypeError)
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15:22 < nmz787> crap, i can never remember passwords for things anymore
15:22 < kanzure> nmz787: you can ssh in and change your password
15:22 < nmz787> i've forgotten the diypl.us pass twice recently
15:22 < kanzure> (by typing "passwd")
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15:23 < nmz787> no i guess keys aren't working for me, I may have set it up on a different VM
15:23 < kanzure> pm me what password you would like
15:23 < nmz787> lemme try this other VM that I was using for the nanoengineer stuff
15:27 < nmz787> kanzure: passwd is asking for my current pass
15:27 < nmz787> I think I have to have sudo perm to do without a pass
15:28 < kanzure> oh, then pm me a temporary password, then change it
15:29 < kanzure> nmz787: ok try now
15:29 < kanzure> wait, how exactly did you upload that pdf earlier today?
15:31 < nmz787> i did that weeks ago
15:31 < nmz787> delinquentme: was late to the game re: that article
15:32 < nmz787> so china is trying to sell me a fiber spectrometer for $2200 wheras canada has them for $749
15:33 < kanzure> fatal: Expected 'data n' command, found: author Mackenzie L. Cowell <mac@diybio.org> Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:55:32 -0000
15:33 < kanzure> fast-import: dumping crash report to .git/fast_import_crash_11014
15:33 < nmz787> found it through alibaba, replied with the link to the canandian site and said if they made me a deal I'd help them improve their software
15:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-fast-import.html
15:33 < nmz787> and i said i knew cost to manufacture was ~$300 USD
15:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: "author" seems to be a command according to this doc. what am i doing wrong?
15:34 < kanzure> oh maybe it's order-dependent
15:34 < kanzure> aha.. yep.
15:34 < nmz787> kanzure: is the ikiwiki pass diff than gnusha?
15:34 < kanzure>    pipe.puts "author #{f.author_username} <#{f.author_email}> #{f.timestamp.rfc2822}"
15:35 < kanzure> nmz787: nope
15:35 < nmz787> hmm, the .us.:443 isn't letting me in
15:35 < nmz787> oh, maybe it's my repo pass
15:35 < kanzure> it's the same password as your gnusha/diyhpl.us password
15:36 < nmz787> doesnt let me in
15:36 < kanzure> try now
15:36 < delinquentme> nmz787, you did see the Open source rigged one right?
15:36 < kanzure> i ran this command: addaccess diyhpluswiki nmz787
15:36 < nmz787> oh, must be cache related
15:36 < nmz787> ah, then maybe that fixed it
15:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is that supposed to happen, or was it his cache?
15:37 < nmz787> delinquentme: yeah seen that a while ago, they aren't really lab quality optics b/c of lower signal to noise
15:37 < nmz787> and they don't do UV
15:37 < nmz787> kanzure: jrayhawk: i say cache because I ctrl-shift-n in chrome and then it worked
15:38 < delinquentme> nmz787, signal to noise?  the noise being created where / how?
15:38 < delinquentme> the non UV I get
15:38 < delinquentme> or IR
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15:39 < nmz787> delinquentme: IR requires an InGaAs sensor, silicon cuts off pretty low in the NIR
15:40 < nmz787> delinquentme: SNR gets lowered by aberattions in the grating and other optics, stray light, etc
15:40 < nmz787> as well as possible DSP going on in the camera's firmware
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15:41 < nmz787> even bad grounding/poor circuit design could introduce noise
15:43 < nmz787> the main thing i don't like is the DSP
15:43 < nmz787> because the optics could be upgraded
15:43 < nmz787> but its still a PITA
15:43 < kanzure> alright, so i have 477 commits from openwetware in a separate git repository
15:44 < kanzure> ideally i will also convert heybryan.org/mediawiki/DIYbio_FAQ to git and then rebase all of the openwetware stuff on top
15:44 < nmz787> kanzure: how easy is that?
15:45 < kanzure> well the first step is to find the hard drive, which i estimate to be exactly impossible
15:45 < kanzure> i have been making changes to media2iki to do the mediawiki-to-git conversion
15:45 < kanzure> https://github.com/mithro/media2iki/pull/1
15:46 < kanzure> so the second step would be finding the hard drive, running the old web server, and then exporting the revisions to xml through Special:Export
15:46 < kanzure> then running it through media2iki's hacked up shit that i have been editing
15:46 < kanzure> rebasing the commits will be a little weird; i think i have to make sure the filenames match up or else the rebased history won't make any sense
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15:53 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ grep shared /srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git/config
15:53 < jrayhawk> sharedrepository=0664
15:53 < jrayhawk> you can pinyconfig diyhpluswiki sharedrepository 0666 if you want anybody to be able to edit it
15:53 < jrayhawk> and rebuildrepo diyhpluswiki
15:55 < kanzure> sharedrepository is not a legal tweakable, or 0666 is not a legal value for that tweakable.
15:55 < jrayhawk> oh huh
15:55 < jrayhawk> oh, core.sharedrepository
15:55 < jrayhawk> durrr
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15:56 < nmz787> kanzure: why do i see this a lot – in http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/polymerase/notes/
15:56 < kanzure> because i suck at unicode and utf-8
15:56 < nmz787> do you know what it's supposed to be?
15:57 < nmz787> "the DNA product contained 60–70% dGMP residues, 10–15% each of the two pyrimidine residues, and 5–10% dAMP residues. "
15:57 < nmz787> oh hyphen?
15:57 < kanzure> well "–" is possibly the "hyphen" thing
15:58 < kanzure> and "“" and "â€" are possibly quotes
15:58 < jrayhawk> there are a bajillion lexically distinct hyphens, but fuck 'em
16:00 < nmz787> jrayhawk: yeah
16:01 < jrayhawk> i suppose i should add receive.denyDeletes to pinyconfig
16:03 < jrayhawk> receive.denyNonFastForwards is already in place, at least
16:04 < nsh> only one hyphen, two dashes
16:05 < nsh> http://cutewriting.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/en-dash-em-dash-and-hyphen.html
16:06 < kanzure> hmmm
16:06 < kanzure> so i'm looking through some old hard drives
16:06 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/calxism-sleep-log-2006.php
16:06 < kanzure> fenn: ^
16:06 < jrayhawk> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_hyphen
16:06 < kanzure> also: yes i admit i used to write php, please don't murder me or think less of me because of it :(
16:08 < nmz787> nsh: seems like 1 hypen, 2, or 3
16:08 < jrayhawk> parameterization is for sissies
16:08 < jrayhawk> sql parameterization, specifically
16:09 < kanzure> it got infinitely worse
16:17 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_dash#Similar_Unicode_characters
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16:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/calxism-temporary-resource-allocation-system-2005.php
16:29 < brownies> we all used to write php
16:30 < brownies> "used to" is the important part, though.
16:30 < kanzure> yes but did you write php for a cult?
16:35 < brownies> no, just clients
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16:46 < kanzure> 22:39 < jihaaaaaad> 1) No logging. Logging = kick.
16:46 < kanzure> oh was that hplusroadmap?
16:46 < kanzure> huh i think someone forgot to kick me
16:48 < kanzure> hrmm why did i know about ultrasound brain stimulation in 2008
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16:50 < kanzure> hi mation
16:51 < mation> Hiya!
16:53 < kanzure> jrayhawk: all i can find is this weird skdb/ikiwiki repository from 2008
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16:58 < skorket> anyone have any experience with Advanced Liquid Logic?
17:00 < kanzure> ERROR 1034 (HY000) at line 1: Incorrect key file for table 'wordmap'; try to repair it
17:01 < skorket> was that for me?
17:02 < kanzure> no i am fixing things
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17:21 < kanzure> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
17:21 < kanzure> jrayhawk: any hints?
17:22 < jrayhawk> Where is this?
17:22 < jrayhawk> What is this?
17:22 < jrayhawk> sudo netstat -lpn will tell you what's already bound there
17:30 < kanzure> oh fooey i had a load balancer running, that's right..
17:39 < kanzure> "Missing rc_timestamp field of recentchanges table. Should not happen."
17:39 < kanzure> well i was stupid to expect the mediawiki upgrade script to work
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18:10 < nmz787> skorket: i've been on advanced liquid logic's website before
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18:18 < delinquentme> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/technology/talk-to-me-one-machine-said-to-the-other.html?_r=1
18:18 < delinquentme> "The combined level of robotic chatter on the world’s wireless networks — measured in the digital data load they exert on networks — is likely soon to exceed that generated by the sum of all human voice conversations taking place on wireless grids."
18:18 < delinquentme> I guess im surprised that it doesnt exceed it already.
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18:40 < kanzure> why is this guy recompiling php http://davejamesmiller.com/blog/web-development/how-to-install-php-5-2-fastcgi-on-debian-6-0-squeeze
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19:06 < nmz787> delinquentme: voice is really low bandwidth
19:07 < delinquentme> nmz787, really??
19:07 < delinquentme> that surprises me
19:07 < delinquentme> but then I know nothing about voice compression
19:07 < nmz787> and most wireless is probably wifi or microwave links that in terms of bandwidth have a lot compared even to AM and FM and shortwave
19:08 < nmz787> also digital media (i.e. satellite TV) is probably not considered audio,certainly not a conversation
19:08 < nmz787> it's the bandwidth more than the compression, you don't need much to reproduce a voice, now a concert/music is different, that's why hearing it through the phone sucks
19:09 < kanzure> you definitely need less than 10 kbps to do voice
19:09 < kanzure> well, to some extent.
19:11 < yashgaroth> dial-up was what, 4kbps?
19:12 < nmz787> well then voice was audio
19:12 < nmz787> and nah dialup got up to 65k
19:12 < nmz787> 56k
19:12 < nmz787> *
19:12 < yashgaroth> I thought that was bits
19:12 < nmz787> kilobits
19:13 < yashgaroth> yeah I meant 4 kilobytes/sec
19:13 < yashgaroth> typical, not maximum
19:13 < kanzure> man, i can't believe i ever paid for that
19:14 < nmz787> 56/8=7
19:14 < nmz787> oh
19:14 < yashgaroth> sure but you need a lot of virgin blood to get to 7
19:14 < nmz787> damn that's why i never had full speed
19:15 < nmz787> yashgaroth: any luck w jobs?
19:15 < yashgaroth> waiting to hear back from like 3 places after interviews
19:16 < brownies> nice, where'd you interview?
19:16 < yashgaroth> verenium, alere, and moore's cancer center
19:16 < yashgaroth> who are respectively: enzyme manufacturing, gmp blood analysis chips, and...cancer stuff
19:17 < kanzure> verenium sounds like a STD
19:17 < yashgaroth> I liked them, they seem chill, but yeah
19:17 < kanzure> ok just making sure.
19:18 < yashgaroth> they had me assembly some centrifugal separator as part of the interview, which was a nice change of pace
19:19 < kanzure> was that before or after they had you pee in a cup?
19:19 < yashgaroth> before, where do you think the pee went?
19:19 < kanzure> yashgaroth: http://diyhpl.us/
19:20 < yashgaroth> ooh fancy
19:21 < brownies> they drug test?
19:21 < yashgaroth> it
19:21 < yashgaroth> 's just an initial one, not on the reg
19:22 < brownies> intriguing
19:22 < kanzure> brownies: apparently most of yashgaroth's potential employers do drug screens
19:22 < yashgaroth> my last place didn't, but apparently that's not the norm in industry nowadays
19:23 < brownies> i imagine the software startup scene would fall apart if they did such things
19:23 < kanzure> "we're sorry but we can't hire you because you don't have enough cocaine in your system"
19:24 < yashgaroth> biotech startups tend to be more lenient, but glaxo/pfizer/etc do blood screens as well as maybe hair
19:25 < kanzure> so wear a wig?
19:25 < yashgaroth> any excuse to wear a wig and I'm down
19:25 < brownies> no shit? i had no idea
19:26 < brownies> oh, i guess it's because they're pretty close to FDA approval procedures and whatnot, so i guess they have to be on top of their researchers
19:26 < kanzure> http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/judge-wig.jpg
19:26 < jrayhawk> yashgaroth: Kbps vs KBps
19:26 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i always thought that was silly
19:26 < jrayhawk> semantics usually are
19:27 < kanzure> and then there's the god damn kibibits or something
19:27 < kanzure> and kibibytes
19:28 < jrayhawk> Yeah, everyone should use those to get rid of that ambiguity
19:28 < yashgaroth> capital letters, pfah
19:28 < kanzure> i always mean "kilobytes" when i say "kbps"
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19:28 < kanzure> i guess i could switch to kby?
19:28 < jrayhawk> also with V.44 and PPP compression speeds higher than 10KiBps were common for plaintext.
19:29 < kanzure> kibibits or kibibytes?
19:29 < yashgaroth> kibyps
19:29 < kanzure> noo don't confuse things
19:29 < jrayhawk> if you have trouble distinguishing between a lower case 'b' and an upper case 'B' perhaps you should acquire glasses
19:29 < kanzure> well, i have trouble distinguishing whether or not the author implied one b or the other B
19:36 < kanzure> so i added "deb http://archives.dotdeb.org/ lenny all" to /etc/apt/sources.list
19:36 < kanzure> and i want to get one of the 5.2.x's
19:36 < kanzure> after apt-get update-ing, "sudo apt-get install php5=5.2.17" gives me "E: Version '5.2.17' for 'php5' was not found"
19:36 < kanzure> jrayhawk: am i missing a step?
19:37 < kanzure> http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/lenny/php5/
19:37 < ParahSailin> i cant find that cryptosphere thread on hackernews anymore
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19:38 < kanzure> ParahSailin: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4316632
19:39 < ParahSailin> oh damn, front page i was skipping over it
19:41 < ParahSailin> i dont see how cryptosphere would be useful for publishing
19:41 < ParahSailin> other than storing plaintext on other parties' machines
19:43 < kanzure> i wasn't impressed and didn't look further
19:43 < kanzure> when thesnark shows up you can pester him, he likes to talk big about freenet or all the other freenet contenders
19:44 < kanzure> or that other one.. tamato.. tomahoe.. tomahawk.. whatever.
19:47 < jrayhawk> this does not appear to be a debian repository
19:47 < kanzure> well that would explain it
19:48 < kanzure> i'd like to downgrade all of these:
19:48 < kanzure> libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-gd php5-mcrypt php5-mysql phpmyadmin
19:50 < kanzure> mediawiki-1.12 is incompatible with php-5.3.x and mediawiki-master is unable to upgrade the old mysql tables i recovered
19:50 < jrayhawk> downgrades are rather poorly tested; it might be best to choose a debian or ubuntu release and debootstrap it
19:50 < jrayhawk> and then chroot or lxc into it
19:51 < kanzure> and then run apache from inside the chroot?
19:51 < jrayhawk> if you want apache, sure
19:51 < kanzure> no i was just wondering about http servers inside chroots in general
19:52 < jrayhawk> it'll happily attempt to bind to 0.0.0.0:80 if nothing else has
19:53 < jrayhawk> chroots are not a security mechanism; everything will work normally, things executed under chroot will just look up paths differently unless they go through the extra work not to
19:54 < jrayhawk> you might want to do something like for i in dev proc; do mount --bind /$i /path/to/chroot/$i; done before attempting to chroot in
19:55 < jrayhawk> if you're attempting to do this on gnusha, there'll be some permissions problems and i should probably do the debootstrap step for you
19:55 < kanzure> hrmm this is going to take forever on my local machine
19:55 < kanzure> would you mind if we did this on gnusha?
19:56 < jrayhawk> that'd be fine. what release do you want?
19:56 < kanzure> i promise to keep all the php garbage inside the chroot
19:56 < kanzure> lenny? i think lenny is php-5.2 or lower ?
19:56 < kanzure> the thing i need to avoid is php-5.3.x
19:56 < jrayhawk> looks like lenny is 5.2.6
19:57 < kanzure> that should work
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20:10 < jrayhawk> man, archive.debian.org is just slow in general
20:15 < jrayhawk> i suppose if i were a nicer person i would've made this a whole new vserver so you wouldn't have to worry about ports
20:15 < jrayhawk> huh, netcat-traditional is in base now
20:16 < jrayhawk> or, rather, netcat-traditional was in base several releases ago
20:16 < jrayhawk> i wonder why
20:17 < jrayhawk> anywho, sudo chroot /root/lenny appears to work
20:24 < jrayhawk> http://vimeo.com/46304267 "Sight"
20:32 < AdrianG> http://inhabitat.com/nyc-will-replace-taxis-with-new-driverless-google-cabs/
20:32 < AdrianG> zomg
20:32 < AdrianG> driverless cars?
20:32 < AdrianG> i can has?
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20:37 < nmz787> AdrianG: are you in NYC?
20:38 < AdrianG> no :<
20:39 < kanzure> jrayhawk: thank you sir
20:42 < nmz787> AdrianG: the comments says "april fools"
20:42 < AdrianG> :o
20:43 < AdrianG> no :<
20:46 < jrayhawk> Yeah, the mayor of new york does not have the power to arbitrarily nullify state law
20:48 < kanzure> are you certain? :(
20:50 < strangewarp> pot is still illegal in NY because the state senate is majority Republican, so, yeah
20:50 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i set /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default to <VirtualHost *:2080> and /etc/init.d/apache2 start is complaining about port 80
20:50 < jrayhawk> /etc/apache2/ports.conf
20:50 < kanzure> doh.
20:51 < jrayhawk> which is also where you need to enable fucking virtualhosting on ssl
20:52 < kanzure> hmm
20:52 < kanzure> so i set it to <VirtualHost 0.0.0.0:2022> and restarted apache2 and http://diyhpl.us:2022/ doesn't go anywhere
20:52 < jrayhawk> like altnames and sni and wildcards are some sort of crazy voodoo
20:52 < kanzure> well, *:2022 didn't work either.
20:53 < jrayhawk> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:5040            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      27207/apache2
20:53 < jrayhawk> http://gnusha.org:5040/
20:54 < kanzure> $ curl gnusha.org:5040
20:54 < kanzure> curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
20:54 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ curl gnusha.org:5040
20:54 < jrayhawk> <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
20:55 < jrayhawk> jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ curl gnusha.org:5040
20:55 < jrayhawk> <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
20:57 < bkero> PREPARE FOR BATTLE
20:57 < kanzure> hmm well that laptop just got disconnected from wifi
20:57 < kanzure> so perhaps that was a premonition of things to come
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20:58 < jrayhawk> i theorize the universe just hates it when you try to do system administration
21:02 < nmz787> delinquentme: http://desktopfactory2012.istart.org/
21:03 < delinquentme> i thought there was someone on kickstarter already building a filament extruder
21:05 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is this why the lenovo thinkpad series suddenly began to suck when i finally started to consider it?
21:06 < nmz787> wifi drivers?
21:07 < kanzure> once every five weeks i go without rebooting i need to load/unload rtl8192se.ko
21:07 < kanzure> to get wifi back to working.
21:11 < jrayhawk> ha ha you have a realtek
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21:16 < kanzure> wait.. $ curl http://gnusha.org:5040/
21:16 < kanzure> curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
21:17 < kanzure> i have tested this from two computers.
21:18 < kanzure> but "curl http://131.252.130.248:5040" works.
21:19 < kanzure> but not from chrome.
21:19 < kanzure> ok now it works from chrome. hrmmm.
21:31 < delinquentme> anyone happen to know about this quit smoking thing that identifies the logic behind " why i need to smoke " and then attempts to rectify it?
21:31 < delinquentme> tis for a friend.
21:37 < kanzure> hint: if you remove their brain then their addiction disappears
21:37 < yashgaroth> how do you rectify sweet, sweet nicotine
21:38 < kanzure> by removing the brain
21:38 < delinquentme> hahah
21:38 < delinquentme> very halpful
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21:42 < Von> I have a question
21:43 < Von> About magnetic implants
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21:44 < Von> -.- Everyone in here is dead too
21:45 < yashgaroth> the plague got us
21:45 < yashgaroth> we're not instant genies sorry
21:45 < Von> Pity about the plague
21:45 < Von> I had a question
21:45 < yashgaroth> aye, so what's your question
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21:46 < Von> Yeah! So, can i do an implant myself?
21:46 < yashgaroth> I wouldn't recommend it
21:47 < Von> Why not?
21:47 < delinquentme> Von, to what ends?
21:47 < delinquentme> why do you seek to stick things in you?
21:47 < yashgaroth> well there's gonna be an awful lot of blood, and stiching with one hand is rather difficult
21:47 < delinquentme> if its novelty
21:47 < delinquentme> thats a shitty answer
21:47 < yashgaroth> stitching*
21:48 < Von> Itd be an amazing bar joke  :D
21:48 < yashgaroth> try asking around at local tattoo/bodymod parlors if they'd be up for it, or fly to arizona
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21:49 < nmz787> anyone know how to rip scribd docs that can't be downloaded by default?
21:49 < kanzure> i could do it if i stare at the problem long enough
21:50 < nmz787> http://www.scribd.com/doc/21463280/Imaging-Cellular-and-Molecular-Biological-Functions
21:51 < Von> Where could i buy magnets that wont erode from, aside from the internet?
21:51 < delinquentme> Von, you're doing this to get drunk
21:51 < delinquentme> ?
21:51 < kanzure> geeze, i hate scribd
21:51 < kanzure> i wish assholes would stop using scribd
21:51 < Von> Nah. Im doing it for the hell of it
21:51 < yashgaroth> local shops won't carry biocompatibly-coated tiny magnets, ask someone on biohack.me to send you one
21:51 < delinquentme> sounds like a stupid reason
21:51 < delinquentme> why dont you build a robot and give it away to people in 4rd world countries
21:51 < Von> And?
21:52 < delinquentme> Do something for someone / some cause
21:52 < delinquentme> what you're doing is stupid
21:52 < delinquentme> and therefore you by extension.
21:52 < delinquentme> im out kids
21:52 < delinquentme> sleep time
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21:53 < yashgaroth> oh don't mind him
21:53 < yashgaroth> nmz787 http://libgen.info/view.php?id=502858
21:53 < nmz787> wait, i have download access through a proxy
21:53 < Von> About how much would a procedure cost at a tat shop?
21:53 < Von> Im honestly thinking about doing this
21:54 < kanzure> haha delinquentme calling someone else stupid, that's funny.
21:54 < yashgaroth> no idea, I've never even gotten a tat, so I'll just say $200
21:55 < Von> Sounds reasonable
21:55 < strangewarp> god, I hate that attitude
21:55 < Von> One last question
21:55 < strangewarp> "science for immediate social justice or none at all!!"
21:55 < Von> Lets assume im gunna do it myself. Would i be able to inject it with a needle?
21:55 < kanzure> no
21:56 < Von> Why not?
21:56 < kanzure> this involves cutting up your dermal layers and sliding it in
21:56 < yashgaroth> that's gonna be a big fuckoff needle
21:56 < Von> Mm. I guess
21:57 < Von> So the best bet is to go to a tat shop and ask around
21:57 < nmz787> yashgaroth: actually that's different than what I was looking for http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/NanoCellBiology%20of%20Secretion.pdf
21:57 < nmz787> Von how deep do you want it?
21:57 < nmz787> Von how deep have others placed them?
21:58 < Von> I... have no idea
21:58 < Von> Am i supposed to know this shit?
21:59 < kanzure> why again are you doing this? you don't seem to know why?
21:59 < kanzure> or any of the other w's
21:59 < Von> I dont have a why
21:59 < Von> I want something DIFFERENT
21:59 < kanzure> how about linux
21:59 < Von> People get tats and piercings, i say magnets! =D
22:00 < Von> I have linux on my main comp
22:00 < kanzure> oh, then bsd. it will be like alien land.
22:00 < Von> Trip boot linux, windoze and OSX, actually
22:00 < nmz787> OS2
22:01 < Von> I have that on a virtual machine
22:02 < Von> :3
22:03 < Von> How much would a procedure like this hurt without anaesthetic?
22:04 < yashgaroth> you can keep the finger in icewater until it's numb, but there's still quite a lot of nerves in the fingertip
22:05 < kanzure> Von: well, someone posted a video of a procedure without anesthetics and it was basically screaming torture level
22:05 < nmz787> i got two tats for $80 total
22:05 < nmz787> but that isn't really surgery
22:06 < Von> So... for someone who hates pain, anesthetic is a must
22:06 < nmz787> I would do it for you for $100, but you'd have to sign a release of suing-me rights
22:06 < nmz787> and realize it was my first time
22:06 < nmz787> :P
22:07 < yashgaroth> I'll do it for 90
22:07 < Von> Have either of you actually done this type of thing?
22:07 < yashgaroth> nah it's a marginal benefit mostly good for bar tricks
22:07 < kanzure> i think card tricks might rate higher
22:07 < Von> Kanzure?
22:08 < yashgaroth> have you tried taping/gluing a magnet to your fingertip and seeing how you like it? try that first
22:08 < nmz787> i've done dissections, but not surgery
22:08 < kanzure> Von: thoroughly not interested in a magnetic implant
22:08 < nmz787> and i know sterile technique second-nature
22:08 < kanzure> also, i dislike how the bodymodders imply it's somehow transhumanist
22:09 < Von> So, im getting advice from people who have never done this sort of thing before
22:09 < Von> Lol
22:09 < kanzure> we have lots of people that come by in here and yap about it
22:09 < yashgaroth> vicarious has one but he's on dutch time
22:10 < kanzure> smeaaagle: are you a pokemon?
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22:10 < yashgaroth> biohack.me has a dozen threads about it if you want info from people who've done it
22:11 < Von> Im on my phone
22:11 < Von> Im ginna get on biohack.me tomorro
22:11 < Von> See what it all actually entails
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22:12 < kanzure> right...
22:13 < yashgaroth> well then
22:13 < kanzure> well, at least he didn't claim it was transhumanist/biohacking/whatever
22:13 < kanzure> he just genuinely wants one for the fun of it
22:13 -!- nmz787 [~Nathan@ool-457e5cbd.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
22:13 < kanzure> and/or novelty
22:14 < kanzure> jrayhawk: /etc/init.d/mysql start claims "df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory"
22:16 < kanzure> bryan@gnusha:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
22:16 < kanzure> Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed
22:16 < kanzure> i was thinking maybe there was a port conflict with both databases running (why am i running mysql on gnusha anyway?)
22:17 < kanzure> hmm that seemed to do the trick.
22:17 < kanzure> (once i sigkilled it)
22:18 < nmz7871> there have got to be legal implications for back-alley surgery
22:22 < brownies> there was an AMA on reddit a while back from a guy who had a magnet or three jammed into his finger/thumb/something
22:22 < brownies> it did seem interesting... but there were all kinds of caveats
22:23 < kanzure> brownies: a while back there was this attention whore going around talking about the procedure, calling it some sort of transcendental mode of existence
22:24 < brownies> that seems a bit much
22:25 < brownies> on the topic of sixth senses, i still want a compass-belt
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22:31 < kanzure> jrayhawk: so if i refresh a few hundred times, sometimes the connection will work for one or two requests
22:31 < nsh> what you talking about?
22:32 < kanzure> nsh: i am running apache2 inside of a chroot
22:32 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org:5040/
22:33 < nsh> to any particular end?
22:34 < kanzure> man, i hate google chrome
22:34 < kanzure> "other users are also experiencing difficulties connecting to this site"
22:34 < kanzure> why would you possibly know this
22:36 < nsh> retrocausal analytics
22:37 < nmz7871> anyone used google visualization api?
22:37 < kanzure> i've used google charts api?
22:38 < nmz7871> is it useful?
22:38 < nmz7871> kanzure: this https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/reference
22:38 < nmz7871> kanzure: ?
22:38 < kanzure> something like that yes
22:38 < kanzure> yeah i've used it in random places where i didn't want to bother with raphael.js or three.js
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22:39 < nmz787> what do they do?
22:39 < kanzure> you should consider three.js.. https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js#readme
22:39 < nmz787> does some account need to be signed in?
22:39 < nmz787> to use the g api?
22:39 < kanzure> hey wait
22:39 < kanzure> where is their gallery :(
22:39 < kanzure> they used to have a neat three.js gallery in their readme
22:39 < kanzure> http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/
22:39 < kanzure> no you don't need an account to use the google charts api
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22:42 < nmz787> kanzure: what do you think about security? https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/issues/1076
22:42 < nmz787> i think morgan stanley apparently is using the google thing
22:47 < nmz787> does anyone here understand sigma delta modulation?
22:52 < nsh> looks dodgy
22:52 < nsh> one should be instantly skeptical of consecutive greek letters
22:57 < kanzure> which version of mediawiki didn't have the "page_restrictions" table?
22:59 < nmz787> http://www.websdr.org/
22:59 < nmz787> pretty cool
23:00 < nsh> wiat
23:00 < nsh> wait
23:01 < nsh> how's that work? the radio is tuned to all the frequencies, or lots of parallel tuning circuits?
23:01  * nsh reads faq
23:04 < nsh> nmz787, this is super cool. thanks
23:05 < nmz787> nsh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_radio#Receiver_architecture
23:06 < nmz787> then the output of the ADC is piped to that JAVA app, i think... the server may do the fourier transform, but I'm not sure
23:06 < superkuh> If you can find one, grab one of the dvb television dongles compatible with librtlsdr. It's a lot of fun for SDR.
23:06 < superkuh> And <$20.
23:06 < nsh> sweet
23:06  * superkuh has 4.
23:08 < nmz787> nsh: also this http://hackaday.com/2012/03/20/software-defined-radio-from-a-usb-tv-capture-card/
23:08 < nmz787> nsh: ^ that's what superkuh is talking about
23:08 < nsh> noted
23:09 < superkuh> http://superkuh.com/gnuradio.html
23:11 < nmz787> nsh: http://youtu.be/bKzii5K3AqA?t=1m52s
23:11 < nmz787> "World's cheapest aviation RADAR Mode S ADS-B receiver: AvMap + $20 RTL2832 Dongle"
23:11 < nsh> terms of penance don't allow me to have that many tabs open at once
23:12 < nsh> should really write that script that kills tabs on lose-focus and reloads on gain
23:12 < nsh> ram is worth more than render time in this arrangement of silicon
23:12 < kanzure> you should upgrade to 16 GB
23:13 < nsh> that would be nice
23:14 < nmz787> superkuh: do you know if the 2.4 MSPS means it's limited to realizing 1.2 MHz signals?
23:18 < nmz787> I wonder if this could be used for SDR http://www.ti.com/tool/adc12d1800rfrb
23:18 < nmz787> specifically thinking of those differential power analysis attacks
23:18 < nmz787> where you need to look at CPU speed power transitions
23:20 < nsh> can you elaborate?
23:22 < nsh> oh, so analogous to timing attacks, but using the power consumption profile of a black-box to glean information about its internal states
23:24 < nsh> nmz787, not sure i see the relation to CPU stepping though
23:24 < nsh> or SRD for that matter
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23:26 < superkuh> nmz787, It is not. The actual sample rate internally is greater than the 7(?) Mhz needed to decode dbt tv.
23:26 < superkuh> I... you should ask on ##rtlsdr.
23:26 < superkuh> I am no expert.
23:26 < superkuh> But I have certainly looked at signals larger than 2 Mhz wide.
23:29  * nsh tries to parse this
23:30 < nsh> what kind of a signals are there over such a frequency range?
23:30 < nmz787> cool
23:30 < nmz787> i think it downconverts the tuned band with a heterodyne principle
23:31 < nmz787> since the MHz or GHz is usually just the carrier freq
23:31 < nmz787> as long as the bandwidth used is less than the sampling rate (or half of the sampling rate, nyquist), it should be fine
23:32 < nmz787> well like voice is from 60hz to 7000hz
23:33 < nmz787> so if the carrier freq was 1GHz, you can downconvert that to 1MHz, because the information is only max 14KHz wide (7000 Hz * 2 because of something called sideband symmetry)
23:34 < nmz787> and you don't lose anything
23:36  * nsh exhibits groklust 
23:38 < skorket> nmz787, have you had dealings with Advanced Liquid Logic?
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23:45 < nmz787> skorket: no, are you considering it?
23:45 < skorket> no, just curious
23:45 < skorket> they do seem to have a cool product
23:45 < kanzure> "from within function "Revision::fetchRow". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'rev_len' in 'field list' (localhost)""
23:45 < skorket> not that I'm any authority
23:46 < kanzure> so i guess i need something from before mediawiki-1.11
23:47 < nmz787> skorket: I wish they had cooler products :P
23:47 < skorket> what is your critique of their product?
23:48 < nmz787> but i guess i want to build a cooler thing, so i'm actually glad they aren't building them
23:48 < nmz787> specifically a gene/episome DNA synthesizer and electroporator
23:50 < skorket> I only see two products which don't have anything to do with DNA synthesis.  Am I misreading it?
23:51 < nmz787> nope
23:51 < nmz787> i'm saying what I want to build
23:51 < nmz787> could also be a product
23:51 < skorket> ah, and what they don't have or offer
23:51 < nmz787> yeah
23:52 < nmz787> jrayhawk: kanzure: can I use a single apache instance to serve two sub folders to 2 separate domains?
23:53 < nsh> yes
23:54 < kanzure> yep.
23:54 < kanzure> gnusha.org diyhpl.us and a bunch of other lame-ass domains are all served up by the same apache 2instance
23:54 < kanzure> *apache2
23:55 < kanzure> oh heybryan.org
23:55 < kanzure> and fennetic.net
23:55 < nmz787> how do I do that?
23:55 < kanzure> you bug me or jrayhawk to edit some file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
23:56 < kanzure> you can look at those files to see some examples fo how this magic works
23:56 < kanzure> (on gnusha)
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