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06:05 < archels> http://superstarsofscience.com/
06:05 < archels> What in the fuck.
06:06  * ThomasEgi hands over the keys for the LOIC
06:06 < ThomasEgi> this is blasphemy.. this is madness!
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09:25 < nmz7872> archels: pretty cool site, first guy i clicked on is pretty awesome http://superstarsofscience.com/scientist/susumu-tonegawa
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09:26 < nmz7872> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V(D)J_recombination
09:27 < nmz7872> weird the wikipedia article nor the v(d)j wiki article mention either other specifically
09:27 < archels> nmz7872: I'm sure the scientists themselves are pretty cool, but a ranking site? What's next, a card game?
09:28 < nmz7872> maybe he was higher level than just V(D)J
09:28 < nmz7872> archels: sure
09:28 < nmz7872> I would rather see kids playing and collecting them than pokemon
09:28 < nmz7872> i don't wanna talk to kids about pokemon, hell i dont wanna talk to anyone about pokemon
09:29 < nmz7872> but i like talking science
09:29 < nmz7872> :)
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09:29 < nmz787> http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1987/tonegawa-lecture.pdf
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09:30  * kanzure cries a single tear
09:30 < nmz787> the only menion in the nobelprize.org PDF of vdj is saying lerod hood et al. did it the legwork
09:31 < nmz787> kanzure you like those japanese anime cartoons but not a japanese scientist?
09:31 < nmz787> :P
09:32 < nmz787> geez, i should just say fuck dna synthesis and go make a cartoon about historical scientists coming back to life in the future to fight epic battles against evil or black holes or something
09:32 < nmz787> 'hah hah, i recombine your immune system so now you have autoimmune disease and I have defeat you'
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09:49 < foucist> for great engrish!
09:50 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, how bout fighting against the imperial unit system^?
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10:01 < nmz787> yes
10:01 < nmz787> that is another episode
10:08 < chido> nmz787: I'd let you hire me to do the drawing
10:08 < chido> nmz787: also, how is the mouse situation developing?
10:19 < nmz787> well, i was sad to let them go
10:19 < nmz787> i did it near some bushes in a parking lot
10:19 < nmz787> i probably should have taken them to a bigger park
10:19 < nmz787> they were just scampering around under the bush after I had bleach sprayed the bin and thrown away the food and paper liner i had in the bin
10:20 < nmz787> so i dunno, i feel like they're eaten or dead from not having a nest... but I could be underestimating instinct
10:20 < nmz787> they were definitely deer mice though
10:20 < nmz787> the ones who are known to be hanta virus reservoir
10:21 < nmz787> that doesn't mean they had hanta
10:21 < nmz787> but...
10:21 < nmz787> seems the only real treatment for hanta is breathing pure oxygen since its a respiratory thing
10:21 < nmz787> it's also RNA based, so I guess I could huff NaOH fumes or something to clean my lungs of RNA
10:21 < brownies> how many moose did you have?
10:22 < nmz787> caught 2
10:22 < nmz787> they were babies
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10:22 < nmz787> if they didn't possibly have a potentially fatal RNA virus in them, I prob woulda kept them
10:22 < nmz787> at least until I found a cat to feed them to or something
10:22 < nmz787> snake
10:23 < nmz787> kanzure: what is that mini-django framework?
10:23 <@kanzure> flask
10:23 <@kanzure> pyramid
10:23 < nmz787> flask?
10:23 < nmz787> cool
10:24 < nmz787> anyone in here a tv/monitor nerd?
10:24 < nmz787> thinking of buyin this 1080p TV http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X408BV-FHD/X408BV-FHD%20MainPage.htm
10:24 < nmz787> $300 on amazon with free shipping
10:24 < nmz787> 8.5ms gtg
10:24 < nmz787> but i dunno how much that matters
10:25 < nmz787> isn't that like 117hz
10:25 < nmz787> whereas most video is only 24, 29.97 or 30 fps
10:25 < nmz787> unless you're a gamer
10:29 < nmz787>  /join #debian-gamers
10:30 <@kanzure> pylons
10:30 <@kanzure> aaronsw made web.py but i dunno if anyone is still using that
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10:37 < archels> 8 ms is not ultra fast
10:43 < ThomasEgi> .. lcd panels have been "fast enough" for like a decade now.
10:44 < ThomasEgi> i wonder why people still use those reaction times and stuff.
10:44 < ThomasEgi> it's just marketing.
10:44 < ThomasEgi> if you want to go for something. color reproduction might be an parameter that's worth the discussion.
10:44 < ThomasEgi> speed is only really of interest when you'r using 3d shutter glasses.
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11:01 < archels> Fast enough for what? There are still plenty of bad panels, of which the slow response time can easily be discerned by just looking.
11:01 < archels> But I agree on the the colour reproduction.
11:05 < ThomasEgi> archels, the last panel i know with slow respones are is the one in my now 12 year old backup-laptop.
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11:06 < ThomasEgi> with the introduction of the active tft matrix , that problem was pretty much fixed. especially for tv as it doesnt require quite as fast response as gaming
11:07 < ThomasEgi> color on the other hand.. there are still so many screens out there with yucky color reproduction..
11:08 < ThomasEgi> once you have had hands on somethig like a the iiyama displays used for traide fairs and exhibitions.. you'll see the world with different eyes
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11:38 < nmz787> but still isn't most video outputted by windows or debian 60 or 90hz
11:39 < nmz787> yeah i dunno there are a lot of screens that are 2ms, but i guess that's just for gamers
11:39 < nmz787> i code mainly and watch tv shows or movies, so 117 hz (8.5ms) seems more than sufficient
11:39 < nmz787> i don't like those new 120hz motion interpolation features some tvs have anyway
11:39 < nmz787> color is important though :{
11:39 < nmz787> :P
11:45 < TheEmpath> it is possible to use a radio frequency transmitter to extract hydrogen gas from saltwater, then ignite the gas to reach 1500 C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKa4nOkHLw
11:48 < archels> 2007
11:55 < uf6667> TheEmpath: I think a faster way is to create NaAlH4
11:55 < uf6667> and control H2 production using water drip
11:55 < uf6667> the production is fairly fast at room temp, exothermic reaction
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12:03 < nmz787> for gene gun propulsion gas?
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12:21 < jrayhawk> I actually do sub-millisecond-accuracy testing for this, and no, LCD timing issues are not a problem of the past.
12:21 < nmz787> jrayhawk: what's the effect?
12:22 < jrayhawk> multiple frames of delay, sometimes variable
12:22 < jrayhawk> this matters deeply to gamers and people doing screen-based timing tests.
12:23 < nmz787> ahh
12:24 < nmz787> so even though grey to grey is 8 ish ms (117hz max refresh rate) ,there's some wobble
12:24 < nmz787> so is that monitor dependent or graphics or CPU/scheduler?
12:25 < jrayhawk> 'gtg' does not measure input latency.
12:25 < jrayhawk> Basically every latency number advertisers use is useless.
12:26 < jrayhawk> TN panels change color plenty fast, the problems are all in the lazily implemented firmware/controller logic.
12:28 < jrayhawk> things like color correction, scaling, firmware settings UI display, etc
12:28 < jrayhawk> I think the next monitor I get will be a Yamasaki Catleap 2B Extreme
12:28 < jrayhawk> which blessedly has none of those things
12:29 < jrayhawk> speaking of which, TN displays suck for viewing angle and color accuracy; small IPS panels are getting fairly affordable.
12:31 < ybit> anyone know of other examples of skynet, a "fictional, self-aware artificial intelligence system " in terminator
12:31 < ybit> a distributed self-aware system preferably
12:31 <@kanzure> how about the solid state entity?
12:35 < archels> HAL9000
12:35 < archels> also memory-alpha.org
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12:36 < archels> Deep Thought from HHGG
12:37 <@kanzure> pfft hal wasn't distributed. it was like a single core or something. ibm 386.
12:37 <@kanzure> *ibm or 386.
12:38 <@kanzure> i suppose ibm has been known to do distributed things, sometimes.
12:38 < nmz787> TN?
12:38 < jrayhawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD
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12:39 < nmz787> ahh
12:39 < jrayhawk> #Types, specifically
12:40 < nmz787> jrayhawk: what do you think of this http://www.amazon.com/Sceptre-X408BV-FHD-39-Inch-1080p-Black/dp/B0081UUYWA
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12:41 < nmz787> www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X408BV-FHD/X408BV-FHD MainPage.htm
12:41 < nmz787> http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD_HDTV/Specs/X408BV-FHD/X408BV-FHD%20MainPage.htm
12:41 < nmz787> Viewing Angle178º (horizontal) / 178º  (vertical)
12:44 < nmz787> i'm considering that, but also browsing craigslist for used panels around that same size
12:45 < nmz787> also looking for 22-24" computer displays for office work
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12:47 < nmz787> there are some decent looking 40 inchers on craigslist, samsung and sony, but they're 2-4 or 5 years old
12:47 < nmz787> so i dunno if its wise to get better brands, older, or the latest chinese clone
12:49 < jrayhawk> Sonys theoretically have UPnP MediaServer-friendly firmware, though in practice it appears to be flaky as hell.
12:51 < nmz787> so i was asking this question in another channel, then pasted jrayhawk's comments and some dude got all pissed at me
12:51 < nmz787> saying i should have used pastebin
12:51 <@kanzure> you probably should have used pastebin, yes
12:51 < nmz787> you post news articles sometimes though
12:52 < nmz787> why dont you put that into pastebin?
12:52 <@kanzure> because you guys let me get away with it
12:53 < nmz787> great
12:53 < nmz787> you've allowed my neural network to be borked
12:56 <@kanzure> most of the time i don't use pastebin for things in here because i can just upload a file to my server
12:56 <@kanzure> e.g. error logs for nanoengineer should be persistent to help others with similar problems
12:57 < jrayhawk> thankfully traffic in here is low enough that pasting shit doesn't really disrupt anything.
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12:59 < nmz787> hmm
13:00 < jrayhawk> not that people don't still bitch about it for some reason
13:02 < jrayhawk> like that time bryan imported the diyhpl.us faq during a lull in conversation and a bunch of people who never talk were all like "OH MY GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING"
13:03 < jrayhawk> people are freakin' weird about personal obligations and signaling games
13:03 <@kanzure> yeah well, that was stupid of me to do anyway
13:04 < nmz787> lol
13:05 < nmz787> that wasnt pasting though
13:05 < nmz787> that was a log bot
13:05 < nmz787> lol
13:05 < nmz787> at least we learned to ignore gnusha
13:05 < nmz787> (i have forgotten how to by now)
13:06 < nmz787> kanzure: hazmat and bioterror training, free in TX http://www.ahls.org/ahls/ecs/courses/syllabus.html?ctid=1
13:06 <@kanzure> is it evil bioterror training?
13:06 < nmz787> hmm
13:07 < nmz787> i guess it could be used that way
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13:18 < strangewarp> Pastebin has normalized the idea that it's better to spend 1 minute to post 1 line, than 1 second to post 3 lines
13:18 < strangewarp> I have no idea why people think short copypastes are spam
13:19 < strangewarp> I have noticed this is especially prevalent in rooms with mostly teenage userbases
13:19 < strangewarp> teenagers.jpg
13:26 <@kanzure> frankly i just enjoy using the pastebinit script
13:26 <@kanzure> cat error.log.txt | pastebinit and out pops a link
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13:56 < jrayhawk> this must be an 'I don't know how to filter things and I resent being expected to do so' problem
13:56 < jrayhawk> i see that a lot with people getting CC'd things, too
13:57 < nmz787> people get pissed for being CCd?
13:57 <@kanzure> recently on the gerontology research group mailing list, there were a flood of people with MDs and PhDs who were spamming the list to get someone else to unsubscribe them
13:57 < jrayhawk> ahaha
13:57 <@kanzure> it's just a mailman server so there's always a link in each email for how to unsubscribe
13:57 <@kanzure> but it was all these doctors and postdocs and shit
13:57 <@kanzure> with @aol.com addresses
13:57 <@kanzure> "Subject: PLEASE REMOVE ME IMMEDIATELY FROM THIS LIST"
13:58 <@kanzure> except 20 times over
13:58 < nmz787> hmm
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14:00 < jrayhawk> Yeah, doctors are not so much smart as they are stubborn.
14:05 < brownies> kanzure: kick it up a notch dawg. cat error.log.txt | pastebinit | pbcopy
14:08 < jrayhawk> maybe there's a URL minimizer you can shove in that pipeline, too
14:11 <@kanzure> i will pipe it to twilio's command line client to send an sms to twitter and then get the url shortened link from t.co
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14:24 < nmz787> jrayhawk: why do monitor manufacturers say stuff like ' 300 cd/m2 DC 2,000,000:1 (1000:1) '
14:25 < nmz787> like oh, yeah, your teachers forgot to tell you 2 million equals one thousand
14:26 < jrayhawk> contrast ratios are also worthless numbers
14:27 < jrayhawk> most likely one of those is dynamic contrast ratio and one of them is real.
14:27 < jrayhawk> well, "real" insofar as any number with no published methodology can be
14:28 < jrayhawk> One of the tricks firmware can do is dynamically adjust the backlight for very dark scenes.
14:28 < brownies> 2,000,000 == 1,000 ?!
14:28 < brownies> my god... this changes EVERYTHING.
14:30 < TheEmpath> openSomeonesCode.jpg
14:30 < TheEmpath> see comment
14:30 < TheEmpath>  // There be JSON up in dem der hills
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16:23 <@kanzure> is there an open source eye tracking framework thing? maybe something using opencv?
16:24 <@kanzure> i am also curious to know if there are eye tracking studies that study people looking at eye tracking studies.
16:24 < nmz787> heh
16:25 < ThomasEgi> kanzure, shouldnt be too hard to find. it's just tracking a circle after all.
16:26 < nmz787> i think getting the info out is a bit more work tho
16:26 < nmz787> setting up all the initial shit
16:26 < chris_99> don't they normally use IR though
16:28 <@kanzure> http://nashruddin.com/eyetracking-track-user-eye.html
16:30 < ThomasEgi> chris_99, not sure. but removing the IR filter from a webcam takes me bout 2 minutes. and one minute is finding the right screwdriver
16:30 < nmz787> yeah but then you need a vis filter on that
16:30 < chris_99> you need an IR torchy thing to, as it picks up the IR reflection too
16:30 < chris_99> from the pupil
16:33 < ThomasEgi> some IR led's and some developed analog photo film (fully exposed).
16:34 < ThomasEgi> that gives you a nice black piece of film material. which filters out most visible light. but its rather transparent to IR
16:34 < ThomasEgi> i did such mods in the past. pretty funny as it several kinds of fabric are almost ransparent in the IR range.
16:35 < chris_99> heh
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16:43 < nmz787> aliexpress sent me an email to come into their santa clara office
16:44 < nmz787> for some survey
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16:49 < nmz787> so these fab lab rates seem reasonable http://mbi-online.org/sites/default/files/fy13-external-rates.pdf
16:49 < nmz787> i think the rent is separate from the hourly, but i could be wrong
16:49 < nmz787> i need to find a place like this closer to portland tho
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16:52 < nmz787> $30/hr for GC, 3d profiler interferometer, plasma etcher, scopes, to name a few
16:52 < nmz787> electron scope only at $50/hr level
16:53 < nmz787> none of those folks called me back in regards to a portland lab
16:53 <@kanzure> those costs add up quick
16:54 < nmz787> yeah but a 3d scan only takes maybe 30 mins
16:54 < nmz787> thats with fuckups included
16:54 < nmz787> pretty damn good value if i want to check my fluidics
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18:12 < Maluseth> have you guys seen any cheap 3d scanners?
18:12 <@kanzure> yes.
18:12 < Maluseth> they are like 3k at least right?
18:12 <@kanzure> no.
18:13 <@kanzure> stereoscopic webcams don't cost that much.
18:13 < Maluseth> that's another way of bypassing the dilemma
18:13 < Maluseth> thanks
18:13 < Maluseth> but is there an assembled one perhaps
18:13 <@kanzure> an assembled webcam?
18:13 < Maluseth> i mean...
18:13 < Maluseth> fully portable, standalone thing
18:14 <@kanzure> yes, a webcam.
18:14 < Maluseth> how many webcams would i need in order to scan a person?
18:14 < Maluseth> lol
18:14 < ThomasEgi> stereoscopic webcams have a horrible 3d resolution :D
18:14 < ThomasEgi> there are ways to get 3d scans from a single camera using a line laser.
18:14 < Maluseth> thank you i will look into that
18:15 < ThomasEgi> http://www.david-laserscanner.com/
18:15 < ThomasEgi> the basic version can be tried out for free.
18:15 < Maluseth> wow
18:16 < Maluseth> amazing. knowledge pays off always.
18:16 < ThomasEgi> their structured light scanner aint bad either.
18:16 < Maluseth> ok i wish i had the money to buy something like that
18:16 < ThomasEgi> seen it in real life.
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18:16 < Maluseth> 499 euro wuw
18:16 < ThomasEgi> if you go for the laser-line scan. all you need is a reasonable webcam.
18:16 < ThomasEgi> and a laser-line pointer. you can get them for 10 bucks on ebay
18:17 < Maluseth> then software does the trick? wuw
18:17 < ThomasEgi> i'd recommend a green laser. as most cameras use bayer patterns which has twice as many green pixels as red or blue
18:17 < ThomasEgi> yeah.
18:17 < ThomasEgi> as i said. their basic version is free.
18:17 < ThomasEgi> but it isnt all too difficult to write a simple line-tracing software yourself.
18:18 < ThomasEgi> made one as weekend project myself since that laserscanning thing doesnt run on linux.
18:18 < Maluseth> no i'm just learning right now complete beginner...
18:18 < Maluseth> but vmware can run windows on linux right?
18:18 < nmz787> i worked on a 3d scanner a while ago
18:18 < nmz787> lookup point clouds
18:18 < ThomasEgi> yeah. but i don't want to run windows.
18:18 < ThomasEgi> http://p3dp.com/doku.php?id=thomaseg1:start
18:18 < nmz787> point cloud to 3d mesh
18:18 < ThomasEgi> that was my result. after a weekend of tinkering
18:18 < Maluseth> nmz787 thanks.
18:19 < Maluseth> you guys are geniuses
18:19 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, cloudcompare?
18:19 < nmz787> yeah it had two cameras, basic web cam types, can't remember if they had color bayer filters or if they were greyscale
18:19 < nmz787> ThomasEgi: never heard of that
18:19 < Maluseth> sigh how can i get there
18:20 <@kanzure> stop using windows
18:20 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, pretty neat open source toolkit for working with pointclouds
18:20 <@kanzure> stop using dreamweaver
18:20 < ThomasEgi> stop watching tv
18:20 < Maluseth> i think i'll just download the basic version, buy the stereoscopic webcam, and laser line pointers
18:20 < Maluseth> :)
18:20 < nmz787> but snapping pics was linked to stepping a stepper motor which had a platform attached
18:20 < ThomasEgi> you don't need a stereoscopi webcam
18:20 < Maluseth> yes yes. i'm doing that now
18:20 < ThomasEgi> a simple webcam will do.
18:20 < Maluseth> wasted enough time watching cartoons and playing games
18:20 < nmz787> and each step was accompanied by several of the structured line black white alternating lines
18:21 < ThomasEgi> Maluseth, in case you have a projector.. you could go with structured light scans.
18:21 < ThomasEgi> they are amazing.
18:21 < Maluseth> so many ways. i dont have one, but i guess now i'm thinking it kind of works like chroma keying - green screen stuff
18:22 < ThomasEgi> biggest problem i ran into at one point was. the distortion from my camera. you could actually see how the flat background got distroted in depth. didn't bother to fix that
18:22 < Maluseth> nvm i'll just use it and understand it
18:22 < Maluseth> if i can
18:22 < Maluseth> amazing info hopefully i can make something out of it
18:22 < Maluseth> hey 3d printer at 500 bucks
18:22 < Maluseth> solidoodle or something
18:22 < nmz787> you can develop a flatness profile with a checkerboard pattern and some software
18:23 <@kanzure> you can build a reprap for less than $500
18:23 <@kanzure> for someone with no money you sure do like to spend it
18:23 < Maluseth> i like to imagine, i can't spend anything
18:23 < nmz787> basically you print a checkerboard pattern, or buy one mounted to hard wood/metal, then photograph it in various positions... i've literally had to dance around holding a 6 ft sq checkerboard befoire
18:24 < ThomasEgi> nmz787, if you know your background is flat. you don't even need the checkerboard pattern.
18:24 < ThomasEgi> simple hough transform of the triangulated data should get you the plane equation of the flat background
18:24 < nmz787> then you run some (matlab was the one they had) code to figure it all out, and it spits out a nice matrix of numbers that define your optical distortion
18:24 < ThomasEgi> and from there. you can calculate stuff backwards. creating a transform matrix
18:24 < nmz787> yeah that's the fancy word for it
18:26 < nmz787> i was usin a pico projector
18:26 < nmz787> the one from digikey i think, the flagship one that TI endorses
18:26 < nmz787> was decent res
18:27 < nmz787> they were hoping to package it all into a product
18:27 < nmz787> (they were an OEM for TI)
18:27 < ParahSailin> Maluseth, did you take advantage of my free advice?
18:29 < Maluseth> No parah... i didn't. I have a Grandma who needs taking care of.
18:29 < Maluseth> If I was alone I may be able to.
18:30 < ParahSailin> ill have to be less generous to random strangers in the future
18:30 < Maluseth> but thank you...
18:30 < nmz787> here's what it looked like http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20090202/real-view-3d-scanner/
18:32 < Maluseth> how about a mini-desktop-milling & casting, foundry (all mini) for your home? does it exist?
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18:32 <@kanzure> yes.
18:32 < Maluseth> OMG!
18:32 < ThomasEgi> hehe. exists..
18:32 < ThomasEgi> but costs
18:33 < Maluseth> how much would it cost?
18:33 < ThomasEgi> more than you want to pay
18:33 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: yeah i don't know what the point is here
18:33 < Maluseth> oh
18:33 < ThomasEgi> milling is probably the most expensive part
18:33 < ThomasEgi> as it requires extensive mechanics and controll circuitry
18:33 < nmz787> i never saw a mini foundry
18:33 <@kanzure> nmz787: i'm pretty sure gingery had one
18:33 < ThomasEgi> casting is rather cheap.
18:34 < nmz787> seems wasteful
18:34 < nmz787> i mean, seems more efficient to do bigger batches
18:35 < Maluseth> there's limits on what you can make with filaments for the 3d printers right? i mean their density can't sustain itself?
18:35 < Maluseth> if in motion or something
18:35 <@kanzure> you seem to be all over the place
18:35 <@kanzure> why are you jumping from a foundry to 3d printing?
18:35 < Maluseth> i am trying to piece these puzzles together
18:35 <@kanzure> what puzzles
18:36 < Maluseth> i figure, after going plastic, you gotta go metal, and be able to learn programming languages to connect somesort of circuitry
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18:36 < Maluseth> to make a motion- manipulative machinary of some sort
18:36 < ThomasEgi> there are also 3d-metal printers
18:36 < Maluseth> what?! really?
18:36 < ThomasEgi> sure
18:36 < Maluseth> what are they called?
18:37 < ThomasEgi> direct metal laser sintering or so
18:37 < Maluseth> must cost a fortune
18:37 < ThomasEgi> nothing for a DIY budget guy anyway
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18:38 < Maluseth> hopefully my grandma will support me later if she can approve of my creativity
18:38 < Maluseth> heh
18:38 < ThomasEgi> prepare for 6-digit pricetags
18:38 < Maluseth> but hard to convince a person who dont know how to use a computer sigh
18:38 < Maluseth> ow
18:38 <@kanzure> give her an ipad. old people love ipads.
18:39 < Maluseth> it's good to know though
18:39 < Maluseth> kanzure: good idea
18:39 < ParahSailin> kanzure, i recommend making here harder to find
18:39 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: i think you might be right
18:40 < ThomasEgi> most of the time. traditional manufactoring of mechanical parts isn't that much of a bad idea.
18:40 < ThomasEgi> unless they can be made from plastic
18:40 < ThomasEgi> or have very complex shape
18:40 < Maluseth> for very complex shapes, plastic is a better choice because it's more flexible?
18:40 < Maluseth> ok
18:41 < ParahSailin> i want to print my own nails to hammer studs together though
18:41 < ThomasEgi> ParahSailin, throw in enough money. and you can get everything printed.
18:41 < Maluseth> ok i am going to research on everything bbl
18:41 < ParahSailin> being facetious
18:42 <@kanzure> ParahSailin: why can't i get the high quality newbies?
18:42 <@kanzure> it's not fair
18:42 < ParahSailin> your channel is not guessable
18:42 < ThomasEgi> humans are strange. invited someone to share my lasagna with... the lady decided not to drop by and go to a party instead. might have hooked up there who knows. can't understand how someone could miss lasagna..
18:42 < ParahSailin> so its not a schelling point
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20:14 <@kanzure> i don't recognize any of the names on the 'ultrasound-guided focused ultrasound' manufacturer list:
20:14 <@kanzure> http://www.fusfoundation.org/MRgFUS-Overview/device-manufacturers
20:15 <@kanzure> http://www.edap-hifu.com/ http://www.haifu-hifu.co.uk/ http://www.histosonics.com/ http://www.mirabilismedica.com/ http://www.aishen.com.cn/en/index.asp http://www.sumo.com.hk/ http://www.theraclion.com/ http://www.ushifu.com/
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20:26 < AdrianG> including philips and siemens?
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