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08:02 < kanzure> https://github.com/hardenedlinux/embedded-iot_profile/blob/master/docs/opentitan/opentitan-rtl-synthesis-with-yosys.md
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09:04  * adlai has often wondered, while birdwatching during the recent quarantine, whether pigeons prefer to perch upon the antenna that fries their brain fastest
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09:30 < archels> might it feel as heat to them? they would be attracted to that
09:31 < adlai> archels, perhaps they sense that radiation merely as thermal, although i've often read that certain migratory birds have quite a keen sense of electromagnetic fields
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12:03 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gcbrcn/im_sean_wrona_ultimate_typing_champion_releasing/
12:09 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=286206de Michael Folkson: Add Kalle at London Bitcoin Devs >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/london-bitcoin-devs/2020-04-29-kalle-rosenbaum-grokking-bitcoin/
12:09 < gnusha> https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=420a8d36 Bryan Bishop: Merge pull request #100 from michaelfolkson/add-kalle-grokking >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/
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12:44 < kanzure> https://www.geekwire.com/2020/buying-planetary-resources-consensys-gives-away-science-asteroids-will-sell-rest/
12:44 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/MarkFriedenbach/status/1256318061205807104
12:44 < saxo> @interplanetary Whoa, the IP is being made open source?! Well that is a silver lining. Are you putting the patents under the Defensive Patent License? (@MarkFriedenbach, in reply to tw:1256306367729594368)
12:51 < juri_> so sad. I had hopes they would succeed. I even applied there.
12:52 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/physicsmatt/status/1256244468874907654
12:52 < saxo> If you’re mad and find yourself yelling that you want someone launched into the Sun, take a moment, calm yourself, and remember that it takes a lot less Delta v to launch them out of the Solar System instead. (@physicsmatt)
12:52 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1256487350101671938
12:52 < saxo> just watched Contact for the first time in a while and remembered that they were horrified at spending a half a trillion dollars for two intergalactic wormhole machines. that’s like a normal tuesday at the Fed now. (@zackkanter)
12:52 < kanzure> you applied to consensys?
12:52 < juri_> yepyep. a WHILE back.
12:53 < juri_> they were looking for someone a little deeper into 3d printing than i was at the time. now, i don't know anyone deeper.
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16:00 < kanzure> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5f2gkTIJBs
16:00 < saxo> 374 wpm (402 wpm unlagged) #1 qwerty all time record on typeracer - YouTube
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16:31 < lsneff> What's even the point of being able to type that fast?
16:31 < lsneff> It's really cool, but basically outraces thoughts at that point
16:32 < kanzure> speak for yourself
16:44 < lsneff> Fair enough haha
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17:12 < fenn> god dammit. i knew they would do this
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17:28 < L29Ah> i'm at 420cpm and feel kinda slow
17:30 < L29Ah> > I've put tens of hours into this quote
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19:32 < lsneff> Well, I can hit about 75ish wpm if I try
19:32 < lsneff> That's pretty bad in comparison haha
19:34 < kanzure> lsneff: https://10fastfingers.com/
19:41 < lsneff> nice 131 wpm :P
19:45 < lsneff> that was a fluke haha
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20:10 < jrayhawk> 374 is burst typing speed, which is probably not really compatible with cognizance anyway.
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20:29 < lsneff> I wonder if there's some limit on the rate that a human can transfer an AST in their mind to a computer by typing
20:30 < lsneff> Like, programming, for example, is essentially just that
20:31 < lsneff> The ideal language for conveying intent might be just a serialized abstract syntax tree
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21:05 < adlai> cf "90% of calories go to waste at every level of the food chain... eat dirt, be a creature of pure energy"
21:05 < adlai> i mean, program in lisp, save your carpal tunnel excavations for internet trolling
21:06 < adlai> little freudian slip right there
21:09 < lsneff> We should all communicate with abstract syntax trees
21:10 < adlai> #f
23:10 < lsneff> Hey, is anyone here familiar with ipfs?
23:18 < lsneff> I'm trying to figure out if it's likely to be popular in the future
23:25 < fenn> heard of it, fwiw
23:25 < fenn> freenet reloaded
23:26 < lsneff> Face value, it seems pretty cool
23:26 < lsneff> But it's still pretty early I think
23:27 < lsneff> Is freenet content addressable?
23:28 < fenn> that's the whole idea
23:28 < fenn> they went off the rails with some anonymity bullshit that made it stop working
23:28 < fenn> and then everyone who cared about anonymity started working on tor instead
23:28 < fenn> and then freenet was abandoned
23:29 < lsneff> Ah, that's a shame
23:29 < lsneff> Looking it up, it seems to have gone the way of many GNU licensed projects
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23:30 < fenn> what's that supposed to mean
23:30 < lsneff> They're just very difficult to integrate into existing systems because of the licensing
23:31 < superkuh> freenet failed because you had to have 2 other peers to get started and there was (for most of it's life) no clear way to do it.
23:31 < lsneff> And they're based on the idea of all software being open and free, which is not how the world is
23:31 < lsneff> Ah, that's interesting
23:32 < fenn> what's difficult about using a filesystem
23:32 < lsneff> Like, there was no peer discovery?
23:32 < superkuh> I think the best distributed system is just everyone hosting a static webserver.
23:32 < lsneff> Right
23:33 < lsneff> That's basically the idea behind ipfs, but you need a very minimal server to seed the network
23:33 < superkuh> So extra steps.
23:33 < fenn> the bittorrent DHT is fine, but it requires the user to actively participate. in freenet you could say "host 1GB of stuff" and it would cache and backup files that were in demand, proportional to their last access time and size
23:34 < lsneff> Yeah ipfs is really hands off honestly, just add a file to the network with one command and you're done
23:34 < fenn> a million text files is probably more valuable to society or historians than 1 blu-ray movie
23:35 < lsneff> Sure, but what does that have to do with this
23:35 < fenn> obviously we have different goals
23:35 < fenn> what are you trying to do?
23:36 < lsneff> Oh I don't have a goal here, I'm just trying to scout it out
23:36 < lsneff> I'm not using it for anything
23:36 < fenn> the way i see it, a content-addressable file system is useful for keeping content online
23:36 < fenn> a static webserver can go down at any time and take its data with it
23:36 < lsneff> I agree
23:37 < lsneff> It's good for distributing the load as well.
23:37 < fenn> if you're not hosting your own data, the policy by which data is hosted in general becomes important to you
23:37 < lsneff> As well as optimizing latency
23:38 < fenn> ideally, you'd host your own data, and twice as much of other peoples' data, and then everyone would be backed up 2x
23:39 < fenn> if your server ever goes down, gets stolen by the cops, catches on fire, etc. it would be easy to restore from the network
23:40 < lsneff> It's difficult to make people host other people's data for very long
23:41 < fenn> participation in the network is a fine incentive. the problem is that most people don't care about their data, or haven't thought through the consequences of it being deleted forever
23:42 < fenn> they think google/twitter/facebook/yahoo will take care of everythiing
23:42 < fenn> yahoo buys up companies and deletes their data all the time
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23:42 < lsneff> Yes, I agree that people don't really understand that
23:43 < lsneff> There are some interesting projects in that area
23:43 < lsneff> I remember something called filecoin
23:43 < lsneff> I try to stay away from things with "coin" in the name usually haha
23:44 < fenn> it's just IPFS with payment for storage
23:44 < fenn> i hate how people say "Blockchain" instead of "a blockchain"
23:45 < lsneff> "Blockchain" is *internet scale*
23:46 < fenn> can i get that in cornflower blue
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23:46 < lsneff> Only sold next to the IBM logo
23:48 < fenn> Sia is another distributed pay-for-storage thing
23:51 < lsneff> Personally, I'd love to see iot devices hook into some distributed storage network
23:51 < lsneff> Huge amounts of storage that's already there
23:52 < fenn> personally, i'd love for my iot devices to shut the fuck up and only talk to the local area network, using a protocol i can understand
23:52 < lsneff> Okay, that's fair
23:52 < lsneff> But you're not going to get that
23:52 < fenn> i'll just have to build everything myself then
23:52 < fenn> who's with me? there are dozens of us!
23:53  * fenn sulks
23:53 < lsneff> Well, routers can be easily hosted on an rpi
23:53 < lsneff> The only iot that's actually useful to me are my Google homes
23:58 < fenn> ah so it just records everything you say all the time and sends it straight to the cloud
23:58 < fenn> no big deal
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