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02:53 < archels> apparently someone is cyber-attacking the Human Brain Project
02:53 < archels> some HPC systems are down
03:12 < fenn> it's somewhat surprising that anyone with the motive to do that actually has the ability
03:14 < fenn> schizos, anti-AI activists, neuroscience competitors
03:14 < fenn> probably just collateral damage in some other cyber-conflict
03:17 < archels> somehow I doubt there are business interests at play here, with all due respect to the HBP I'm not sure there's much to grab for $China
03:17 < archels> could also just be kids at play. Who wouldn't want to break into a supercomputer?
03:17 < archels> nsh will back me up here
03:18 < nsh> china wouldn't ddos things. likely reprobates
03:18 < nsh> and/or people hitting things not even knowing what they are
03:19 < nsh> all this recent 'china is hacking the coronavirus labs' stuff is somewhat disingenuous. they're probably doing the same thing that's usually done; it's just now in the perceived interests of US spooks to moan about it
03:19 < nsh> and the research is a collaborative endeavour anyway
03:23 < archels> hmm, some coronavirus simulations are in fact being run on these European HPC platforms
03:23 < archels> but it's rather out in the open anyway, afaik
03:24 < archels> based on the information I have, it's not just a DoS but they're actually trying to penetrate (or have been successful at that in at least one instance)
03:34 < nsh> ah
04:30 < juri_> everything gets attacked. the internet is acidic.
04:31 < L29Ah> no it's basic
04:43 < fenn> .title http://imgur.com/gallery/rDjh3Ut
04:43 < saxo> Drone Flamethrower Clears Debris From Powerline - Album on Imgur
04:52 < nsh> i think you'll find the it's the users who are basic
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04:59 < archels> juri_: don't I sense some Ludd there?
05:01 < archels> this somehow feels like the "is technology good or evil" cliché
05:08 < nsh> it's closer to say that the internet like the earth experiences as a constant bath of background radiation
05:08 < nsh> it's just that unlike the CMB which is relatively benign except for causing static
05:09 < nsh> the internet's background radiation is trying to own your shit to mine moneros and ddos gamers
05:20 < L29Ah> lol
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05:49 < kanzure> hm
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10:25 < fenn> how about a model of education where we just give kids a budget to work with and they buy equipment and hire people to teach them how to do stuff
10:25 < fenn> you could buy a lot of stuff with an entire teacher's salary
10:26 < fenn> now math becomes very relevant
10:28 < fenn> all stuff becomes property of the school and accumulates over time
10:48 < pasky> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoczYXJeMY4
10:48 < saxo> Am I still lactose tolerant? - Lactose Gene Therapy Update - YouTube
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10:49 < superkuh> The chitin transport through membranes really surprised me.
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10:58 < L29Ah> fenn: kids buy candies on all the money
11:00 < fenn> yep
11:00 < fenn> they still gotta pass their standardized tests
11:08 < fenn> from the lactose gene therapy guy https://medium.com/@justinatkin/building-a-nuclear-reactor-out-of-garbage-and-why-experimentation-should-be-central-to-learning-d3ea8fa15599
11:22 < archels> official cyber attack statement (?) https://drive.ebrains.eu/
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11:38 < nsh> kids don't want to think about budgeting
11:38 < nsh> in fact you define the death of innocence by the willingness to contemplate a budget
11:39 < nsh> children should be protected from market realities until death, if not longer
11:51 < fenn> how will anyone learn to deal with reality then
11:53 < jrayhawk> fenn: some of the free/democratic schools do budgeting in that manner, or encourage and facilitate student-driven capitalist fundraising for such purposes
11:53 < jrayhawk> such as sudbury valley
11:55 < jrayhawk> they try to act as a microcosm of traditional american social ideals (individual moral autonomy, direct democratic governance, common-law social accountability)
12:08 < lsneff> That would've been really great for me in school I think.
12:10 < lsneff> "how about a model of education where we just give kids a budget to work with and they buy equipment and hire people to teach them how to do stuff" I mean
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12:23 < fenn> i like the sudbury ethos in general but i feel that majority vote over budget is a sort of tyranny and unnecessarily politicizing
12:25 < fenn> i haven't really found a formal description of their system yet, only this:
12:25 < fenn> from the lactose gene therapy guy https://medium.com/@justinatkin/building-a-nuclear-reactor-out-of-garbage-and-why-experimentation-should-be-central-to-learning-d3ea8fa15599we believe that citizens of a direct democracy become most experienced at responsibility for their community. Therefore, the school is governed by a School Meeting, one man/one vote, by staff and students. This meeting
12:26 < fenn> arranges all administrative functions, budgets all moneys, makes all rules, hires and fires all staff, and protects the school from disorder by supervising a sub-group that handles all disciplinary complaints."
12:26 < fenn> gah
12:30 < fenn> from the inside of such a system it would be hard to imagine an alternative
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13:31 < fenn> "The staff were just a dozen more interesting people that were at the school. We hired them to be there, so we could be sure we had this core of interesting people. Then you add all the students to that."
13:57 < kanzure> hiring interesting people, interesting concept.
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14:05 < lsneff> Seems solid to me
14:06 < fenn> dance, bear!
14:06  * fenn cracks the whip
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14:17 < kanzure> .title http://www.righto.com/2017/04/reverse-engineering-76477-space.html
14:17 < saxo> Reverse engineering the 76477 'Space Invaders' sound effect chip from die photos
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17:43 < kanzure> .title https://pastebin.com/rDwpkiVA
17:43 < saxo> Vaults and CTV reading for London Socratic - Pastebin.com
17:54 < kanzure> .title https://github.com/pret/pokeyellow/pull/50
17:54 < saxo> merge pokered by dannye · Pull Request #50 · pret/pokeyellow · GitHub
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