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07:33 < kanzure> https://thebulletin.org/2021/10/do-it-yourself-vaccines-in-a-pandemic-democratized-science-or-home-brewed-pipe-dream/
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13:47 < kanzure> https://github.com/openpgpjs/openpgpjs https://openpgpjs.org/
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18:11 < fenn> "the bulletin" makes no mention of cost/benefit tradeoffs, something all vaccine makers have to consider
18:12 < fenn> when a subgroup has a much higher chance of death or debilitation than the rest, it can make sense for that subgroup to have access to early untested vaccines with a much lower confidence in their efficacy or safety
18:13 < fenn> but that's NOT what happened! instead we waited for over a year while hundreds of thousands died
18:14 < fenn> if you look at the pfizer raw data, it's obvious the vaccine was doing something useful after only a few weeks
18:14 < fenn> we should have deployed the vaccine among vulnerable population in under a month
18:31 < L29Ah> what you're saying is incompatible with bureaucratic mentality
18:32 < L29Ah> a bureaucrat doesn't care about missing opportunities but cares a lot about potential risks (for his workplace), as they are much more apparent to one's employer
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23:25 < maaku> fenn: hell, look at vaccine approval for elementary-age kids
23:25 < maaku> FDA made the manufacturers restart trials with larger sizes to detect one-in-a-million cases of heart inflamation
23:26 < maaku> meanwhile, the number of kids aged 5-11 who have died from COVID in the last month already far exceeds the number who might possibly have had heart complications
23:27 < maaku> there's also blood on the hands of school district officials, who are rushing to reopen ALL schools, since it can presumably be safe with vaccine mandates
23:28 < maaku> while forgetting that every elementary school student body is 100% unvacinated
23:29 < maaku> the FDA needs to be disbanded
23:35 < fenn> but "kids don't get it"
23:38 < maaku> sigh
23:42 < fenn> they need oxygen for their developing brains, so they can't wear masks! think of the children!
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