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00:45 < fenn> .t
00:45 < saxo> - YouTube
00:46 < fenn> thanks google
00:46 < fenn> "I Edited My DNA On A Secret Island (To Live Forever)"
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04:00 < hprmbridge> setecastronomy1891> Who is absolutely undeniably a fraud within the transhumanist community at this point? Arguably, one could make the case the movement started when man first began fashioning tools, but if we are to say H+ is going on 20 years as a formal movement - who has proven themselves to be utterly and undeniably unreliable/grifter/fraud?
04:05 < hprmbridge> setecastronomy1891> It could also make Skeletor even more Skeletory.
04:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> well, those guys.
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09:01 < hprmbridge> jay_dugger> Hello, everyone.
09:10 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> the doctors performing the injections seem to do stem cell scams at that clinic when they're not helping out with plasmid scams, so you can infer their moral compasses
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10:50 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Oh looks like minicircle again  yeah they are likely frauds. Someone here wrote a whole debunking
10:54 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> oh yashgaroth's already replied, should've read the context more.. huh didn't notice that. Nice to know we live in a world where shady libertarian transhumanists on tropical islands aren't only in works of fiction
12:16 < NewtonTrendy> fenn: is the wow signal something like the black noise that makees you shit yourself?
12:23 < ike8> 😂
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13:40 < pasky> i don't post twitter threads often, but maybe someone else here is pondering about the situational awareness writeup, so.. https://x.com/xpasky/status/1802076165328576963
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14:04 < stipa> pasky: i don't get it , can you elaborate ?
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16:11 < fenn> .wik wow! signal
16:11 < saxo> "The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected on August 15, 1977, by Ohio State University's Big Ear radio telescope in the United States, then used to support the search for extraterrestrial intelligence." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
16:14 < fenn> in many ways GPT-4 far surpasses a smart high schooler
16:14 < fenn> we can't rely on spearman's g to compare artificial and human intelligence
16:19 < stipa> .wiki how to get rich fast?
16:20 < stipa> .wik how to get rich fast?
16:20 < saxo> " / In computer network communications, the HTTP 404, 404 not found, 404, 404 error, page not found, or file not found error message is a hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) standard response code,  to indicate that the browser was able to communicate with a given server, but [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found
16:21 < stipa> .wik what browser do you recommend to get rich fast? 
16:21 < saxo> " / In computer network communications, the HTTP 404, 404 not found, 404, 404 error, page not found, or file not found error message is a hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) standard response code,  to indicate that the browser was able to communicate with a given server, but [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found
16:22 < stipa> .wik rich! signal
16:22 < saxo> " / In computer network communications, the HTTP 404, 404 not found, 404, 404 error, page not found, or file not found error message is a hypertext transfer protocol (HTTP) standard response code,  to indicate that the browser was able to communicate with a given server, but [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_result_found
16:22 < stipa> dang
16:22 < stipa> i should go back to high school
16:24 < fenn> stipa it just searches for wikipedia article titles
16:26 < fenn> it's a little too early to be confused by regular computer programs existing and not being AI
16:28 < stipa> fenn: aren't there APIs to access an AI via IRC?
16:28 < fenn> yes, but saxo is not one of them
16:28 < stipa> fenn: is saxo: an eggdrop?
16:29 < fenn> .t https://github.com/sbp/saxo/
16:29 < saxo> GitHub - sbp/saxo: Quick and flexible irc bot, extensible in any language
16:29 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> fenn: I'm assuming that scipy analysis found that jupiter was moving away from the source at ~10km/sec? Or toward, or whatever would compensate for the doppler shift to match jupiter's frame of reference at the time. 10km/sec seems slow for interstellar velocity unless they're in stasis, in which case the speed wouldn't really matter
16:31 < stipa> i would say it's an understanding of gravity
16:31 < fenn> earth was moving toward the source at 10.5 km/s faster than where it was supposed to be received, assuming the beacon was broadcast at the hydrogen line
16:32 < fenn> the idea was that whoever broadcast it compensated for interstellar doppler shift, but then why wouldn't they also compensate for planetary doppler shift, if they were aiming at earth?
16:33 < fenn> i hope i didn't make a silly sign error, but it would make sense that if they didn't know about earth that they'd match the doppler shift of the only detectable planet in our system
16:33 < stipa> if the whole universe in balance and some star dies it's expected that things move a bit to fill a hole
16:33 < fenn> that's not how any of this works
16:34 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> I mean, the assumption is that kardashev civs would be hanging out at the biggest gas giant. Or the default sentience is gasbags, but either way
16:35 < stipa> fenn: it's not but how can you be sure?
16:36 < fenn> or the source was just really far away and they can't see earth. or not enough SNR to detect the spectral line doppler shift in the sun's wobble due to being accelerated by smaller planets
16:37 < fenn> clearly humans have been able to detect exoplanets with the radial velocity doppler shift method, but i don't really know what the physical limits are on that kind of instrment (a spectrograph)
16:38 < stipa> there is for sure some distortions
16:38 < stipa> nothing's perfect
16:38 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> "detectable planet" assumes a human-level technology, if they weren't sure they'd blast it at the whole solar system. Also idk where they were when the signal was sent, if they were near sagittarius then yeah maybe there was a fundamental limit
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16:40 < stipa> i'm not familiar with the signal and it's composition, if it's repeatable i's some form of sequence that repeats it's probably ideologically made 
16:42 < stipa> natural occurring signals rarely repeat is timely made sequence that repeats at leas once
16:42 < stipa> it's random
16:43 < stipa> is/in
16:48 < stipa> i.e. if the signal is not random it's probably made by an intelligent lifeform
16:50 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> the generous assumption is that they have a phased array shooting signal at individual stars one-by-one, so the time between signals is long. If it's coming from a spacecraft traveling toward us, it's a different calculation
16:50 < stipa> maybe it's a scanner
16:51 < stipa> that maps the solar systems and the universe around them
16:52 < stipa> the signal we received in that case is a ping
16:53 < stipa> there's no way where that pong goes
16:53 < stipa> no way to find out
16:54 < stipa> the way to find out would be to ping the source 
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16:54 < stipa> and wait the pong but the source of the ping is unknown
16:55 < stipa> to wait the pong to find out the distance*
16:57 < fenn> radar doesn't work over interstellar distance due to the inverse square law. there's not enough pong to detect at the transmitter
16:57 < stipa> have there been any tries to send the same signal in the same direction back?
16:58 < fenn> In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a digital stream towards Hipparcos 34511, 33277, and 43587.[44] The transmission consisted of approximately 10,000 Twitter messages solicited for the purpose by the National Geographic Channel, bearing the hashtag "#ChasingUFOs"
16:58 < fenn> yikes
16:59 < stipa> i hope there were some equally timed spaced signals at least 
17:00 < fenn> "Arecibo scientists attached a repeating-sequence header to each individual message, and beamed the transmission at roughly 20 times the power of the most powerful commercial radio transmitter."
17:00 < fenn> whoever sent the original signal didn't include any time spaced signal
17:00 < stipa> that's better
17:01 < fenn> just one minute-long bloop
17:01 < fenn> there could have been some transmission on a different frequency that we missed
17:01 < stipa> better that than random noise
17:01 < stipa> for sure
17:02 < stipa> there's probably a bunch of spectres to discover
17:02 < stipa> for a human race
17:03 < stipa> the wow would be something of a race that's similar in development to us
17:04 < stipa> a life form better than race, my bad
17:04 < fenn> sure, it's plausible
17:04 < stipa> right
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20:47 < potrull> hi
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22:40 < potrull> hi
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