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01:36 < hprmbridge> Eli> Put some extra livers in your body bro
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04:56 < L29Ah> why? i have enough livers already, no?
04:59 < kanzure> no
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05:13 < kanzure> fake references, or bitrot and we are literally losing manuscripts? https://theconversation.com/when-scientific-citations-go-rogue-uncovering-sneaked-references-233858
05:23 < kanzure> "A theory of biological relativity: no privileged level of causation" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3262309/
05:24 < kanzure> ".. are higher level properties necessarily also causes of lower level behaviour, involving actions and interactions both ways? This article uses modelling of the heart, and its experimental basis, to show that downward causation is necessary and that this form of causation can be represented as the influences of initial and boundary conditions on the solutions of the differential equations ...
05:24 < kanzure> ...used to represent the lower level processes. These insights are then generalized. A priori, there is no privileged level of causation."
05:25 < kanzure> eh, not a sufficiently interesting thereotical framework for biology, wake me up when there is a good model for singular+collective cellular agency
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09:39 < hprmbridge> Eli> 2 livers means you can do twice as much vyvvanse. Boom, Einstein time.
09:48 < hprmbridge> Eli> The more I learn about academic publishing the more I feel like it’s broken. But I have no idea what would be an improvement
09:53 < hprmbridge> Eli> I see different proposals for what to do. But ultimately we need to somehow align scientists personal agendas with the agenda of advancing scientific truth. That gap can’t be eliminated. But it seems too big currently.
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10:46 < L29Ah> i don't think my amphetamine intake is limited by my liver capacity
10:52 < hprmbridge> Eli> That’s the spirit 🫡✊💪💪💪
12:05 < nsh> two livers each for groundskeepers, zero livers for armchair philosophers
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12:34 < RangerMauve> A backup heart would be handy
12:34 < RangerMauve> Or veins that could constrict all around my body to regulate flow
12:56 < fenn> the "sneaked references" are just SEO spam for science citation index rank inflation
12:57 < fenn> the references do exist, but they don't belong in the paper that is citing them
12:57 < fenn> in fact they aren't in the paper that is citing them, at least that's what this article claims
12:58 < fenn> hey nsh, go pot a plant
12:58  * nsh smiles
13:21 < pasky> some more claude.vim porn after a while: https://x.com/xpasky/status/1812938682808344827
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