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kanzure | okay, logs are fixed now to be dumped into %Y-%m-%d.log | 18:07 |
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kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-05.log | 18:07 |
kanzure | (i'll merge the earlier part of today in when irssi is done with that file handler) | 18:07 |
jcluck | cool | 18:07 |
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kanzure | for everything else: http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 18:07 |
kanzure | and the master dump: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt | 18:08 |
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fenn | i dont think a humanoid hand is cost effective at this point in consumer robotics | 18:11 |
bdesk | i know, right? why do we always have to anthropomorphize everything. | 18:12 |
fenn | smart phone + mirror attachment + telescoping broomstick + rc car | 18:12 |
fenn | (the cameras are always on the opposite side of the screen, hence the mirror) | 18:12 |
JayDugger | Because human anatomy's constraints define a large set of interesting problems. | 18:13 |
ENKI-][ | nothing is really cost-effective in consumer robotics. there aren't all that many consumers | 18:13 |
ENKI-][ | remember the eighties, when there were many different brands of damn cool robots (pre-built and otherwise) on the market competing to be the definitive personal robot brand? i don't, because i wasn't alive then, but i've read about it. i imagine most of them went the way of the arctec gemini | 18:15 |
QuantumG | "telepresence" kinda sets the bar that low | 18:15 |
ENKI-][ | the hero 1 and the gemini were among the most interesting, along with the rbx. | 18:15 |
QuantumG | "I want to be present" .. ok, fixed camera.. "and I wanna be able to look around" ok. | 18:16 |
ENKI-][ | telepresence sets the bar low enough to trip over. that doesn't mean there's necessarily a market. but if there is, it's not the consumer robotics market | 18:16 |
bdesk | there are military robots now. in the past, military technology has been adapted for civilian use. | 18:16 |
ENKI-][ | i guess you could consider the predator drones to be telepresence bots. i'm not sure i'd want to have to use one | 18:17 |
JayDugger | There are military remote-operated vehicles now, and there are military robots. | 18:17 |
JayDugger | Two different things. | 18:17 |
QuantumG | I'd like to see a teleoperation/telepresence robot that you can use to rebuild an engine. | 18:17 |
ENKI-][ | i think being able to make hand gestures and throw a ball at someone's head would be reasonable | 18:17 |
kanzure | ENKI-][: here's one of your competitors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qdXkJVQUfM | 18:18 |
kanzure | (Newton) | 18:18 |
ENKI-][ | kanzure: i wasn't aware i was in the market | 18:18 |
kanzure | the competitors that you mentioned. | 18:18 |
JayDugger | Did YouTube fix the weekend's problem? | 18:18 |
ENKI-][ | sounds like the gemini a bit | 18:19 |
QuantumG | kanzure: does this become hardcore porn soon? | 18:19 |
ENKI-][ | in terms of capability | 18:19 |
kanzure | QuantumG: no :( | 18:19 |
QuantumG | usually this level of 80s acting prowess is following by bass chords and people getting naked. | 18:20 |
ENKI-][ | wow, very similar | 18:20 |
kanzure | "Long term memory is made possible by a twenty MEGA BYTE hard drive storage device" | 18:20 |
ENKI-][ | the gemini used eight apple II boards | 18:20 |
kanzure | note the explicit space in "mega byte" | 18:20 |
JayDugger | Huh? Oh, you mean a door stop. | 18:20 |
JayDugger | full-height hard drive, right? Weighs about 8 pounds? | 18:21 |
kanzure | JayDugger: and on wheels. | 18:21 |
ENKI-][ | HE IS CAPABLE OF STRAIGHT LINE MOVEMENT *AND* TURNS | 18:21 |
QuantumG | and with no hands he's incapable of molesting your kids. | 18:21 |
kanzure | (we're looking at you, 3PO) | 18:22 |
kanzure | 5:29 wow what a charger | 18:23 |
ENKI-][ | gemini apparently had procedural narrative generation for telling unique stories. that was awesome | 18:23 |
ENKI-][ | or sounded awesome | 18:23 |
QuantumG | OMG, that's no robot! They've wrapped Stephen Hawking in white plastic! Damn you Apple! | 18:24 |
ENKI-][ | looks like the charging unit might fall off | 18:24 |
kanzure | TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED! *inserts floppy* | 18:24 |
ENKI-][ | :D | 18:24 |
ENKI-][ | well, this was near the end of the data casette era | 18:25 |
kanzure | and the totally retro end theme song | 18:25 |
ENKI-][ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsh-g4Qond0&feature=related awesome, a hero | 18:26 |
kanzure | "he'll be part of your famillly / newton / he's helping you through technology / he's a dream to you / bringing the future home to you / he's watching you, newtoooonnnn" | 18:26 |
QuantumG | damn, all those 80s haircuts.. no wonder so many robots went nuts and killed so many people. | 18:26 |
kanzure | i can't believe "he's watching you" made it into that song | 18:26 |
QuantumG | hehe | 18:26 |
QuantumG | / he's part of our nefarious plot to take over america | 18:27 |
kanzure | / he can't be stopped / newtoooonnn | 18:29 |
uniqanomaly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI acid in bush ;D | 18:29 |
JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 18:31 |
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ENKI-][ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8dUL9qgU1M&feature=related | 18:32 |
fenn | off to get lost in cupertino | 18:32 |
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bkero | lol | 18:52 |
bkero | fenn: You're in the bay area | 18:52 |
bkero | ??? | 18:52 |
bkero | kanzure: are you in the bay area too? | 18:52 |
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bkero | Fffff | 18:52 |
kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/h-summit-harvard-the-rise-of-the-citizen-scientist?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=446afe0ae9-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email | 18:56 |
kanzure | bkero: not yet | 18:56 |
bkero | I'm going to be gone tomorrow until Thursday. Mozilla summit in Canada. | 18:57 |
Alystair | wait what? | 18:58 |
Alystair | mozilla summit? Where at? | 18:58 |
bkero | Canada | 18:58 |
bkero | Whistler, BC | 18:58 |
Alystair | wtf, their office is in f'n Toronto | 18:58 |
bkero | I leave at 3:30AM tomorrow morning | 18:58 |
Alystair | why would it be in BC | 18:58 |
bkero | Alystair: Whistler is a very posh resort | 18:58 |
bkero | and Toronto is full of french canadians | 18:58 |
Alystair | I resent that statement | 18:59 |
bkero | 'eh? | 18:59 |
Alystair | I am not French | 18:59 |
bkero | But am I wrong? | 18:59 |
Alystair | yes? Toronto is super multicultural | 19:00 |
Alystair | not really focused on French tho', we have Quebec for that | 19:00 |
bkero | It's dangerously close | 19:00 |
Alystair | what do you even do at the summit | 19:00 |
Alystair | is it a place where I can get a job at Mozilla | 19:01 |
* Alystair googles | 19:01 | |
bkero | drink beer | 19:01 |
bkero | and argue | 19:01 |
bkero | If you want a job at mozilla you should have just told me. :P | 19:01 |
bkero | What do you do/wan to do? | 19:02 |
bdesk | tell them to start using webkit | 19:02 |
Alystair | I just reported a bug in chromium recently, or at least the 2d rendering engine :) | 19:04 |
bkero | So you want to report bugs? :P | 19:04 |
Alystair | nah | 19:04 |
Alystair | PM ok? | 19:04 |
bkero | Ok | 19:09 |
kanzure | tell them that threads are not evil | 19:18 |
kanzure | and to rewrite their browser | 19:18 |
QuantumG | from scratch | 19:19 |
QuantumG | apparently Opera is awesome in that respect.. if I had any respect for Opera that is. | 19:19 |
Alystair | why don't you have any respect? | 19:23 |
Alystair | Opera Mini kicks ass on my E71 | 19:23 |
Alystair | well, it's better than nothing I guess ;D | 19:23 |
QuantumG | heh.. because from day one they've been saying "Proprietary is better than Free" and making a commercial argument. | 19:24 |
bdesk | QuantumG: do you think drexler should scan nanosystems and put it on the internets? | 19:26 |
QuantumG | I'd prefer he did something to actually make the book happen :) | 19:26 |
AJollyLife | ENKI-][: id totally take my own predator drone though | 19:28 |
ENKI-][ | i'd prefer to build my own hero one, AJollyLife | 19:28 |
AJollyLife | some guy gave a talk on that at shmoocon this year | 19:29 |
Alystair | Jolly: your nick is familiar when you mention schmoocon, were you one of the folks behind the pre-generated rainbow tables a few years back? | 19:31 |
AJollyLife | nope, im not affiliated with church of wifi | 19:31 |
* Alystair is part of the Toronto HacklabTO | 19:31 | |
AJollyLife | i am part of mobile disco, which tends to win a bunch of shmoocon contests, but thats it | 19:31 |
Alystair | neat | 19:32 |
AJollyLife | awesome, I've got a few friends from there :) | 19:32 |
Alystair | Probably Leigh :) | 19:32 |
AJollyLife | i'm also part of vedagodz/team awesome, but thats more of a defcon thing | 19:32 |
AJollyLife | yep :) | 19:32 |
Alystair | that's why I recognize the name | 19:32 |
Alystair | I've NEVER been to any cons | 19:32 |
AJollyLife | team awesome, or from leigh? | 19:32 |
Alystair | leigh, I have no idea why | 19:32 |
AJollyLife | shes pretty awesome :) | 19:32 |
Alystair | maybe you idled in #hacklabto or she spoke about you | 19:32 |
AJollyLife | never been in hacklabto | 19:33 |
Alystair | my memory is spotty, all I remember are connections, it's f'n bizarre | 19:33 |
AJollyLife | actually, thanks for reminding me, i have to poke her about recon | 19:33 |
Alystair | joy of ADHD PI I guess | 19:33 |
AJollyLife | grr. shes not on irc | 19:33 |
Alystair | yeah hardly these days | 19:34 |
AJollyLife | well, she usually idles | 19:34 |
Alystair | busy lady :) | 19:34 |
AJollyLife | this is the first time ive actually not seen her online | 19:34 |
Alystair | not like the days of 2600 | 19:34 |
AJollyLife | and im staying with her for recon....and thats thursday | 19:34 |
* Alystair isn't familiar with recon | 19:34 | |
AJollyLife | heh, shes one of the only people I know who goes to more cons than i do | 19:34 |
AJollyLife | recon = reverse engineering conference, every two years, in montreal | 19:34 |
Alystair | oh neat | 19:34 |
Alystair | I guess what's his name from Chumby goes to that | 19:35 |
Alystair | Bunny! | 19:35 |
Alystair | man it's such a small world, really | 19:35 |
AJollyLife | bunny huang | 19:35 |
AJollyLife | not sure, its my first recon | 19:35 |
AJollyLife | but yeah, it really is | 19:35 |
shrdlu- | um, the primary reason for the investment behind much of military technology is to hand it over to private industry so it can be sold to consumers | 19:37 |
shrdlu- | oops | 19:37 |
shrdlu- | reading backscroll | 19:37 |
kanzure | shrdlu-: we encourage backlog reading in here :) | 19:37 |
kanzure | bdesk: 'nanosystems' is already on the internest, if you want a copy.. | 19:38 |
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Alystair | aughh I need to finish this email to Anssi Vanjok | 19:38 |
kanzure | anssi who now? | 19:38 |
Alystair | and CC Olli-Pekka if he still works for Nokia ahaha | 19:39 |
Alystair | ah sorry, Anssi Vanjoki. | 19:39 |
Alystair | oh wait he's now the new CEO, need to send my congrats for replacing Olli | 19:40 |
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kanzure | anyone know of 'transhumanism' texts that have been published within the last two years? | 20:36 |
QuantumG | I know of fiction | 20:37 |
QuantumG | Peter F. Hamilton's latest series is jam packed with transhumanists | 20:38 |
bdesk | http://jetpress.org/v20/verdoux.htm | 20:40 |
QuantumG | Stephen Wolfram connected the Singularity to deeper issues related to the nature of complexity and meaning -- a critical perspective, in my view. In the bigger picture, all this technological acceleration is just another phase in the self-organization of complex form that's been going on for billions of years, and will very likely continue long after humans are no longer top dog on this planet. | 20:45 |
QuantumG | pfft. | 20:45 |
bdesk | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/stoa/publications/studies/stoa2007-13_en.pdf | 20:48 |
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bdesk | the link was advertising that as 2009 but i see it is 2007. | 20:49 |
ENKI-][ | hah, nice choice of nick | 20:49 |
bdesk | no wait it is 2009 | 20:49 |
AJollyLife | QuantumG: which series? | 20:50 |
QuantumG | Commonwealth Saga: Pandora's Star, Judas Unchained, The Dreaming Void, and The Eveolutionary Void (being written). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Saga | 20:52 |
AJollyLife | okay :) | 20:53 |
AJollyLife | thanks! | 20:53 |
kanzure | QuantumG: well, at least someone mentioned it who has some status | 20:58 |
kanzure | QuantumG: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 20:58 |
kanzure | i mean, srsly, there's room for complexity science in singularity bullshit | 20:58 |
kanzure | *singularity bullshitting | 20:58 |
QuantumG | hmm.. I can't connect to heybryan.org | 20:58 |
kanzure | hrm | 20:58 |
kanzure | QuantumG: try now. | 20:59 |
kanzure | guess i have to turn the server on if i want people to be able to access it huh | 20:59 |
AJollyLife | minor details | 20:59 |
kanzure | bah! fools. | 20:59 |
QuantumG | yeah, what was I looking at? | 20:59 |
kanzure | hm? | 20:59 |
kanzure | http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ is some discussion on how it's not really linear progress | 21:00 |
kanzure | er | 21:00 |
kanzure | i mean, how technological development is more of a result of complex systems effect | 21:00 |
kanzure | always easier in hindsight, etc. | 21:01 |
QuantumG | oh, increasing complexity.. sure.. but I expect Goertzel just cherry picked that out of Wolfram's babble. | 21:01 |
kanzure | oh, absolutely | 21:01 |
kanzure | his article didn't seem particularly brilliant | 21:01 |
kanzure | apparently kurzweilai.net is always stretched for articles | 21:01 |
kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Future:_The_Animated_Series | 21:18 |
kanzure | "In addition, Bill Nye performed scientific experiments during the closing live-action segments in each episode, a spot which later led to Nye getting his own show)." | 21:18 |
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AJollyLife | QuantumG: what of peter hamiltons stuff should i try reading first? | 21:30 |
QuantumG | Misspent Youth is pretty funny.. but I recommend Fallen Dragon, as it is his standalone book. | 21:32 |
AJollyLife | ok :) | 21:33 |
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fenn | yep, vampires, all of them. | 23:47 |
fenn | i sit down next to an empty chair and this lady sits down next to me http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3298/4568134908_dea4e6e916.jpg | 23:48 |
fenn | note the frilly collar, that's to hide the bite marks | 23:48 |
fenn | i'm lucky to have escaped alive | 23:52 |
splicer_ | (cougar encounter) | 23:58 |
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