2008-05-10.log:18:18 < Phreedom> guys you are evil | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:19 < Phreedom> kanzure: hi. they're going to kill someone ;) | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:23 < Phreedom> kanzure: not much I can show atm, except that right now there are 2 people working full time on making home fabrication possible | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:23 < Phreedom> kanzure: the plan is to develop cheap interferometers and piezo dries | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:23 < Phreedom> fenn: no | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:25 < Phreedom> kanzure: I didn't read it yet, but it sounds all too similar to what I have in my head :) | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:27 < Phreedom> kanzure: I do have some nice ideas regarding apt-manufacture, but it's really too early too discuss | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:27 < Phreedom> that is discuss stuff I can make in 1-2 year | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:27 < Phreedom> *years | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:28 < Phreedom> everything else is cool but too far away | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:28 < Phreedom> but piezos and interferometers will make STM, AFM and such stuff really cheap an accessible | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:28 < Phreedom> *and | ||
2008-05-10.log:18:49 < Phreedom> joined | ||
2008-05-13.log:21:08 < Phreedom> fenn: still there's a ton of useful stuff published | ||
2008-05-13.log:21:08 < Phreedom> sometimes if the paper is not useful to you, it's really hard to understand why it is useful | ||
2008-05-13.log:21:08 < Phreedom> of course load of crap are still here | ||
2008-05-13.log:21:09 < Phreedom> *loads | ||
2008-05-13.log:21:11 < Phreedom> you don't have to. have your revenge by making up more words they don't know ;) | ||
2008-05-13.log:23:14 < Phreedom> sometimes? I'd say usually ;) | ||
2008-05-17.log:15:55 < Phreedom> fenn: legacy stuff can be scary | ||
2008-05-17.log:16:11 < Phreedom> kanzure: absorb? | ||
2008-05-17.log:06:00 < Phreedom> fenn: are there any news re: your hexapod? are you going to/building it already? | ||
2008-05-29.log:12:12 < Phreedom> /nickserv identify help | ||
2008-05-29.log:12:12 < Phreedom> grrrr | ||
2008-05-29.log:12:12 < Phreedom> ybit: ping | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:17 < Phreedom> kanzure: actually it makes sense to have an assortment of electric motors in any lab | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:19 < Phreedom> ybit: this is more or less along the lines of what I was thinking | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:20 < Phreedom> ybit: the hardest part is to make the DNA assembler, but the tech that can make this assembler will produce the rest of the lab as well | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:20 < Phreedom> kanzure: naturally used ones work just as fine | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:20 < Phreedom> kanzure: actually a used bicycle is harder to find ;) | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:21 < Phreedom> with a $20k+ price tag | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:22 < Phreedom> hmm... I thought they had a bill of materials somewhere | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> I think 20k comes from their pdf | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> but it not a big deal | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> most of the cost is positioning system and control electronics | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> exactly what I'm working on | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:23 < Phreedom> and it can be made orders of magnitude cheaper | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> but notice that 16k goes towards positioning+electronic | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> I think I can get it into $500-1000 range | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> also they have inflated the price of a pentium III PC :) | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:25 < Phreedom> high-precision stuff costs money | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:26 < Phreedom> probably lots of cables, stands | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:26 < Phreedom> they had to buy metallic cases and other stuff you could make cheaper | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:27 < Phreedom> where? in my lab of course | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:27 < Phreedom> I think ybit once tried to make me tell more about the project :) | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:29 < Phreedom> ybit: more like 10 times | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:29 < Phreedom> kanzure: I need a webmaster too :) | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> and a site | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> and an actually working device :) | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> working on the device though | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:30 < Phreedom> blueprints are not enough | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:31 < Phreedom> you need blueprints you can actually use at home | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:31 < Phreedom> and you need to bootstrap the process | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:32 < Phreedom> the site looks like a typical corporate crap | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:32 < Phreedom> offering solutions for vaguely defined problems | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:33 < Phreedom> with lots of fuzzy stuff intermingled with meaningless crap | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:47 < Phreedom> kanzure: they're doing more to get funding :P | ||
2008-05-29.log:23:59 < Phreedom> kanzure: but where does money come from? | ||
2008-05-30.log:00:32 < Phreedom> lol | ||
2008-05-30.log:00:42 < Phreedom> Vedestin: sometimes they do | ||
2008-05-30.log:00:43 < Phreedom> Vedestin: the trouble is that I never found any :) and always end up funding my activities myself | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:07 < Phreedom> fenn: regarding your coders for a pile of junk complaint... do you really have a useful pile of junk in your gaage? ;) | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:09 < Phreedom> but sure experienced many times ;) | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:11 < Phreedom> but you don't need to explain anyone what GPL is ;) | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:11 < Phreedom> or open-source for that matter | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:12 < Phreedom> kanzure: you're mistaken | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:12 < Phreedom> hardware is not really secret | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:13 < Phreedom> yes, but the science behind it isn't | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:13 < Phreedom> really | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:14 < Phreedom> at least I've never enountered stuff for which I couldn't find an acceptable description based on scientific works+patents | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:14 < Phreedom> businesses don't R&D half of your list | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:16 < Phreedom> fenn: probably QTC patents are still pending | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:17 < Phreedom> kanzure: you'll end up bootstrapping almost from scratch | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:17 < Phreedom> especially if you have plans for automatted manufacturing | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:18 < Phreedom> fenn: cutting edge may be a problem | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:18 < Phreedom> oh well, you like to bring some obscure things to the table :P | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> fenn: of course you can enounter bits of this stuff | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> but overall it's not as bad | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> information wants to be free | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:19 < Phreedom> and wants it so badly that it usually escapes ;) | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:20 < Phreedom> so go ahead and escape too :P | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:20 < Phreedom> and what does it mean to be free? | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:20 < Phreedom> free to kill others? ;) | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:22 < Phreedom> so I assume the answer is yes :P | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:27 < Phreedom> fenn: so your only hope is kanzure... maybe one day he'll come and help you reverse aging :P | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:28 < Phreedom> maybe that's a condition he had to agree to | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:29 < Phreedom> yeah yeah | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:29 < Phreedom> really govt should protect life and freedom | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:30 < Phreedom> the rest it's only going to stiffle | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:30 < Phreedom> kanzure: you don't want to be murdered, do you? | ||
2008-05-30.log:01:30 < Phreedom> life also extends into ecology | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:32 < Phreedom> bad news guys: the other person involved in my project how is out of the game for 2-8 weeks due to injury :( | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:32 < Phreedom> but we're going to finish it anyways | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:57 < Phreedom> I'm 100% sure I tried explaining it at least once | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> it's a cheap high-precision positioning system capable of driving anything from a cnc milling machine to STM/dna assembler and other nanotech stuff | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> by cheap I mean no more than $100-$150 per axis | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> eventually can get as low as $50 | ||
2008-05-31.log:16:59 < Phreedom> which means ATM/AFM can be as cheap as $300(depends on how cheaply you can make a vacuum pump, chamber etc) | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:00 < Phreedom> it will be based on piezo motors and interfeometers | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:00 < Phreedom> piezos can provide unlimited resolution. in practice resolution depends on the resolution of your position feedback system and control electronics | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:01 < Phreedom> interferometers can automatically compensate for most of manufacturing and assembly defects but need very fine polishing on optics surfaces | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:02 < Phreedom> this can be tackled as well with magnetorheological polishing | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:02 < Phreedom> there will be two varietes of the system. one optimized for macro stuff and other optimized for nanotech | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:03 < Phreedom> both quite similar in fact | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:03 < Phreedom> it's just the choice of parameters/dimensions and electronic components | ||
2008-05-31.log:17:57 < Phreedom> perhaps I wrote too much too early :P | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:24 < Phreedom> Vedestin: almost everything | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:24 < Phreedom> plastic corners aren't very useful you know | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:24 < Phreedom> and they didn't address generational degradation | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:25 < Phreedom> so far (semi-)commerially manufatured reprap plastic parts were not printed by a reprap | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:25 < Phreedom> and somewhat resemble the parts that are needed :) | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> if you take a closer look at reprap-made reprap parts, you'll see what I'm talking about | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> recently there were posted photos of quite high quality prints | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> but they were done using a better positioning system | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:26 < Phreedom> or so it seems | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> I may be mistaken | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> so better see for yourself | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> of course reprap is progressing | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> but IMHO it's still not ready | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:27 < Phreedom> not ready to live up to its promise | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:28 < Phreedom> lossless self-replication | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:28 < Phreedom> there's a hope reprap can be used to bootstrap other more useful manufacturing tehnologies | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:29 < Phreedom> ie their idea is spread reprap first and then make repraps around the world continuously upgrade themselves | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:30 < Phreedom> better ask reprap devs ;) | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:30 < Phreedom> my take on this is that it can be done eventually... but it's like reinventing the wheel | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> so I'm trying do go a more direct route | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> that is produce a capable machine form the get go | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> *from | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> more or less | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:31 < Phreedom> of ourse | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:32 < Phreedom> reprap guys did a good job with plastic extruders | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:32 < Phreedom> their extruder head is quite usable already | ||
2008-06-04.log:22:32 < Phreedom> but on a good cnc machine, not a reprap :( | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:41 < Phreedom> actually they'll make it eventually | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:41 < Phreedom> the question is when | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> yeah | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> no plan to address current known shortcomings | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> (without scapping the whole thing of course) | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> throwing away | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:42 < Phreedom> maybe I'm not very good at english | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> actually while I think reprap is far away from *lossless* replication, i think the project is partially successful and definitely useful | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> they made a good extruder head | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> and they managed to assemble community | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:43 < Phreedom> so if a more practical project comes to replace reprap, there's some foundation to build on | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:44 < Phreedom> kanzure: correct | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:46 < Phreedom> yes | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:47 < Phreedom> a practical machine | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:47 < Phreedom> without claims for self-replication, although it does make it's frame corners, metallic this time :) | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:48 < Phreedom> and it can replicate frame corners losslessly | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:50 < Phreedom> or play games till you take ball and go home | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> truth sucks if you ignore it too much | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> kanzure: but they are hurting themselves | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> not you | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> always check the facts, read articles, not headlines | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:51 < Phreedom> and you'll be fine | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:53 < Phreedom> it's a question of time ;) | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:54 < Phreedom> you don't go and try to talk every religious nut you meet into accepting reality? | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:54 < Phreedom> lol | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:56 < Phreedom> you don't have to call fanboys hostile. calling them fan boys is enough ;) | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:57 < Phreedom> so really it's a bunch of guys playing a game+ army of misinformed fanboys | ||
2008-06-04.log:23:57 < Phreedom> unless they go ahead and show a replicating design :) | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:00 < Phreedom> wishful thinking/cognitive dissonance | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:07 < Phreedom> joshcryer: why? | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:08 < Phreedom> fenn: you hate academics ;) | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:12 < Phreedom> fenn: quit emailing, do something ;) | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:14 < Phreedom> lol | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:14 < Phreedom> that's gonna help replication :) | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:14 < Phreedom> like? | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:15 < Phreedom> fenn: microstepping driver? | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:16 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:16 < Phreedom> so what are you going to use for position feedback? | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:31 < Phreedom> as usual | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:31 < Phreedom> oh well | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:31 < Phreedom> fenn: do you have any completion timeframes | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:37 < Phreedom> fenn: so you aren't actively developing it | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:37 < Phreedom> ok | ||
2008-06-05.log:00:38 < Phreedom> anyhow it would be hard for us to cooperate at this particular moment :( | ||
2008-06-05.log:13:06 < Phreedom> kanzure: I don't see anyone on slashdot addressing actual shortcomings except for "self-replication", like degradation of parts over several generations | ||
2008-06-05.log:20:16 < Phreedom> kanzure: FUD seems to do wonders for RepRap ;) | ||
2008-06-05.log:20:17 < Phreedom> (21:48:59) kanzure: the grad student I am assigned to mentioned RepRap and that it replicates | ||
2008-06-07.log:13:50 < Phreedom> h1 | ||
2008-06-25.log:14:32 < Phreedom> hi | ||
2008-07-27.log:16:42 < Phreedom> fenn: should also take a look at RoR ;) | ||
2008-07-27.log:17:24 < Phreedom> ah this is for prophets | ||
2008-07-28.log:11:10 < Phreedom> kanzure: since some people are leaking my secrets already, should I hurry up to document my technology DB ideas? | ||
2008-08-20.log:03:14 < Phreedom> hi | ||
2008-08-21.log:22:48 < Phreedom> nsh: someone's junk is somebody else's treasure? ;) | ||
2008-08-21.log:23:52 < Phreedom> you have nothing to upload? ;P | ||
2008-08-21.log:23:53 < Phreedom> modelling is very useful for many tasks... not sure about mind uploading though | ||
2008-08-22.log:00:32 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2008-08-24.log:21:39 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I think every linux box is a router by default | ||
2008-08-26.log:11:26 < Phreedom> willPow3r: no, we hibernate :P | ||
2008-08-26.log:11:27 < Phreedom> unf yes :( | ||
2008-08-26.log:11:27 < Phreedom> but we're working on it | ||
2008-08-26.log:11:39 < Phreedom> every research has a practical application of scratching someone's itch | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:02 < Phreedom> kanzure_: foss cad is a joke :( | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:02 < Phreedom> cam is a bad joke | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:02 < Phreedom> :`( | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:03 < Phreedom> like? | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:03 < Phreedom> I understand | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:03 < Phreedom> you'd rather treat it as programming | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:04 < Phreedom> parametrized, functional design | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:04 < Phreedom> I agree overall | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:04 < Phreedom> rather I agree that this is a good base for core manufacturing stuff | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:05 < Phreedom> end-user tweaks, one-off simple parts better fit "art" model | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:07 < Phreedom> I meant that if you need a cellphone holder, it's better done the "art" way :) | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:07 < Phreedom> exactly. If you want to parametrize the thing, you need a powerful math model to back it up | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:22 < Phreedom> kanzure_: that's why I advocate doing it only for core tech | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:23 < Phreedom> you can find a team of hardcore hackers to handle a small, but crucial set of technologies | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:24 < Phreedom> and other people can use gui and higher-level primitives | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:24 < Phreedom> eg you need to make a PCB | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:24 < Phreedom> eveyone can but not everyone wants or cares to | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> kanzure_: from my experience dealing with people with tons of ideological constraints(*cough*gnome*cough*), I'd say come up with a reasonable,practical, *scientific* framework.. and some people will join you | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> you won't get everyone onboard but it's their problems | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> -s | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:26 < Phreedom> and you won't solve it | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:28 < Phreedom> you don't need everyone, you need a qualified team | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:29 < Phreedom> a reasonably small team of highly-skilled open-minded individuals can to a gerat degree compensate for its size by higher efficiency of framework, knowledge, efficiency of communications and management | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:30 < Phreedom> and at the same time get something cutting-edge done | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:31 < Phreedom> instead lots of activity, ideological flamewars which usually lead to nothing or mediocre result at best | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:31 < Phreedom> *instead of | ||
2008-08-29.log:12:36 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:20 < Phreedom> kanzure_: all I see on their site is marketing talk | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> as in we do what we want | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> ok | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> at least they hope so | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:21 < Phreedom> so what "space" are you referring to? | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:22 < Phreedom> are you goign for some pysical stuff or only the database? | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:22 < Phreedom> *physical=tangible | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:24 < Phreedom> and in what area? | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:24 < Phreedom> I mean what are you goign to be fabbing | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:30 < Phreedom> not me definitely | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:31 < Phreedom> kanzure_: though whatever you're going to do there, we'll have no means to collaborate other than the 'net :( | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:35 < Phreedom> there was a photo of a 6-8 legged "spider" cnc | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:35 < Phreedom> I think on reprap forums | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:35 < Phreedom> a real device btw | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:36 < Phreedom> I suppose, yes | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:36 < Phreedom> http://builders.reprap.org/2008/06/walking-cnc-router-robot.html | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:37 < Phreedom> as if you can't scale it up | ||
2008-08-29.log:15:48 < Phreedom> saw it I think | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:38 < Phreedom> kanzure_: eh? | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:39 < Phreedom> oh | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:39 < Phreedom> sorry didn't see the question | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:39 < Phreedom> reading now :) | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:40 < Phreedom> kanzure_: ok. I really should write some minimal explanation of what I'm up to | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:40 < Phreedom> I'll do it shortly | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:40 < Phreedom> similar | ||
2008-08-31.log:17:44 < Phreedom> really it's better explained in a coherent short doc than a page of ramblings | ||
2008-09-01.log:00:44 < Phreedom> fenn: comunist revolution was tried, and of course it doesn't work because people aren't willing to share their physical labor freely... however with information it's somewhat different. people still don't share it as much as we'd want to, but due to the low cost of making copies, the few that do share are enough | ||
2008-09-01.log:18:44 < Phreedom> everywhere I go somebody wants me to do something | ||
2008-09-01.log:20:09 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I know I know | ||
2008-09-01.log:20:09 < Phreedom> I'd like to share it too | ||
2008-09-01.log:20:10 < Phreedom> need time as always :( | ||
2008-09-04.log:13:53 < Phreedom> kanzure, fenn, nsh: I wonder if any of you use jabber? | ||
2008-09-06.log:04:04 < Phreedom> fenn: but drain does consume quite a lot of energy | ||
2008-09-06.log:04:04 < Phreedom> of course only if you actually use it | ||
2008-09-06.log:04:14 < Phreedom> *brain | ||
2008-09-06.log:04:14 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:27 < Phreedom> hi | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> kanzure_: which one? | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> kanzure_: which one? | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> grrr | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:31 < Phreedom> kanzure: :) | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:32 < Phreedom> kanzure_: not yet started | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:32 < Phreedom> what's so astonishing in this? | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:33 < Phreedom> kanzure: it was a preliminary meeting, so nobody knows what's going to happen... | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:33 < Phreedom> but I wouldn't count on miracles happening | ||
2008-09-07.log:12:33 < Phreedom> it's gnome after all | ||
2008-09-07.log:15:26 < Phreedom> visual basic? open source? hmm | ||
2008-10-15.log:15:24 < Phreedom> kanzure_1_: thanks. will take a look | ||
2008-12-05.log:17:43 < Phreedom> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/04/1625226&from=rss | ||
2008-12-05.log:17:43 < Phreedom> this is a very promising development | ||
2008-12-05.log:17:43 < Phreedom> abstracting away the site is going to be cool | ||
2008-12-05.log:17:44 < Phreedom> laying this on top of something like i2p can provide privacy | ||
2008-12-05.log:17:44 < Phreedom> and using semantic search can erase boundaries between different repos | ||
2008-12-05.log:19:23 < Phreedom> kanzure_-: you're everywhere | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:46 < Phreedom> kanzure_: I can confirm that even typewriters were all numbered and accounted, copying machines were few and between and access to them was regulated | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:47 < Phreedom> although these regulations were later removed | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:48 < Phreedom> it almost coincided with USSR breakup | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:49 < Phreedom> and now it's funny that ex-USSR territory is one of the freest places in the world when it comes to owning and using tech | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:49 < Phreedom> kanzure_: slowly but surely | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:49 < Phreedom> Xesam/Nepomuk eats some time too | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:51 < Phreedom> kanzure_: trying to make a piezo motor prototype atm | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:51 < Phreedom> it's harder than it sounds though | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:52 < Phreedom> especially since I'm trying to make it last | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:52 < Phreedom> cheap motors(like the ones used in photocams) don't last enough... 500+ hours... | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:52 < Phreedom> yeah, it theory it's just a piezo pressed against a hard surface | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:53 < Phreedom> in practice both piezo and contact surface need a special coating | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:53 < Phreedom> also the mode of excitation and operation influence power and wear | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:53 < Phreedom> because piezos produce a good deal of friction | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:54 < Phreedom> some produce incredible amounts | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:54 < Phreedom> some produce moderate | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:54 < Phreedom> mediocre designs can have <20% efficiency | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:55 < Phreedom> with the 80%+ of energy split between heating due to elastic deformations and friction | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:55 < Phreedom> needless to say these things don't work for too long | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:55 < Phreedom> I'm trying to get a motor that'll waste most of its power into elastic deformations and not friction | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:56 < Phreedom> probably they're doing a nice thing | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:56 < Phreedom> but piezos have too many advantages to be ignored | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:57 < Phreedom> what I'm trying to accopmlish is a piezo which works no less than 3-5k hours and has an easy rejuvenation procedure, like recoating of friction surfaces | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:57 < Phreedom> which makes it last almost forever with reasonably simple servicing from time to time | ||
2008-12-14.log:01:58 < Phreedom> nothing yet. the first attempt will be chrome | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:00 < Phreedom> basically there are piezos which last seveal K hours, piezos which are powerful etc etc so it's not very new stuff but there may be some tricks getting this working | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> really hope to get the prototype working soon | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> because interferometers are pretty easy to get right and I'm totally confident in this part of the project | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> while piezos are somewhat speculative | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:04 < Phreedom> although there's still a very good chance | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:06 < Phreedom> if it works, I'll have a motor with exceptional power/weight and power/volume ratio, absolutely no backlash, high holding force, and ability to microstep in micometer range(yes, for real, unlike regular steppers with microstep) | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:08 < Phreedom> micometer->picometer(not a typo) | ||
2008-12-14.log:02:08 < Phreedom> of course such resolution is not needed in precision machining, but having rotary axis or actuator with such a precision will be useful for other purposes | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:26 < Phreedom> huh? | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:26 < Phreedom> someone called me? ;) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:28 < Phreedom> just get yourself a bicycle ;) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:28 < Phreedom> it's -5C outside and I'm still riding it comfortably :) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:31 < Phreedom> temps here don't usually go lower than -20C + wind | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:31 < Phreedom> yeah just a lil bit of snow | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:31 < Phreedom> barely noticeable | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:32 < Phreedom> more things you can do out of your bed | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> yeah | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> should have at least ran kubuntu ;) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> ok let's just admit everyone here is using windows ;) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> yeah kde is better | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:36 < Phreedom> 3.5 is very nice too | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:37 < Phreedom> ybit it's not about stability | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:37 < Phreedom> it's more apps and ability to test live kde4 builds on my real home | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:37 < Phreedom> kanzure: no problem about it | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:38 < Phreedom> I have nothing against deb, except that I was silly enough to install kubuntu and it kinda worked and I got stuck because changing a distro is a nightmare | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:39 < Phreedom> kanzure: I think ubuntu should have just offered deb to maintain another branch... instead of going this "roll our own" way | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:40 < Phreedom> kanzure: it's Mark Shuttleworth's "vision" kinda like he decided to write bzr because he couldn't understand how to use git :) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:40 < Phreedom> and didn't think that somebody might write 10 lines of ruby/python code to make git behave just like bzr :) | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:41 < Phreedom> ubuntu, launchpad and other his stuff is much like this | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:41 < Phreedom> he's got "vision", he's got money to maintain his own product line | ||
2008-12-14.log:14:42 < Phreedom> even if it's mostly hype | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:12 < Phreedom> right, piezos are very underestimated | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:12 < Phreedom> and there are no distance limitations | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:13 < Phreedom> gene: I'm not talking about using direct piezo expansion/contraction | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:14 < Phreedom> gene: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric_motor | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> gene: ok. not really. there are many different designs | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> but the idea is more or less the same | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> fenn: speeds depend on load, how much wear you can tolerate and lots of other stuff | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:15 < Phreedom> fenn: 0,1-0,4m/s is realistic | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:16 < Phreedom> gene: can be made at home :) or if you need a small number, you can buy | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:17 < Phreedom> fenn: but for a motor that lasts, exerts a significant force, I'll be closer to 0,1m/s | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:17 < Phreedom> fenn: yes | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:17 < Phreedom> gene: the same way they make it at a fab: you need PZT powder(made by mill or hydrothermal), press(carjack will do) and a furnace | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:18 < Phreedom> fenn: 50-100g of PZT(density:7.6-7.8), some metal | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:18 < Phreedom> gene: carjack is poor man's press | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:18 < Phreedom> they're really cheap | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:19 < Phreedom> fenn: lol | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:20 < Phreedom> fenn: 3-5cm diameter couple cm height tube | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:21 < Phreedom> fenn: oh and drivers, these are very low power so several low-power high-voltage half-bridges + MCU will do | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:21 < Phreedom> fenn: 10-15 watts per motor will be sufficient | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:22 < Phreedom> fenn: efficiency is likely to be 50%+ so input power will be 20-30 watts/motor | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:22 < Phreedom> fenn: 1000V is mosfet territory too ;) | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:22 < Phreedom> fenn: you can use FETs or Bipolar, whatever is cheaper | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:23 < Phreedom> fenn: as I said I probably need low price the most ;) | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:23 < Phreedom> everything else is a bonus | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:24 < Phreedom> I mean the performance of the driver isn't very critical at these power levels | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:25 < Phreedom> and a 15w loaded motor moving at 0,1 m/s = 150N of force, two motors per axis... this is way too powerful for a desktop machine :) | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:26 < Phreedom> right:) | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:27 < Phreedom> fenn: for what? | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:27 < Phreedom> fenn: not sure. time will tell | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:29 < Phreedom> fenn: actually I'm betting on a different approach to wear. The idea is to have a hard, eg chrome coating, which can be easily recoated as a service routine. So if it doesn't have to happen way too often, it's a good approach to the problem | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:29 < Phreedom> quality commercial motors guarantee several thousand hours of operation | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:30 < Phreedom> which means this might be a good approach after all | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:30 < Phreedom> fenn: no. googling | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> fenn: looks nice | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> fenn: thre are tons of new designs pooping up everywhere right now | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> fenn: all I can say is that piezos are hot | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:31 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:35 < Phreedom> fenn: the trouble of all these mini and micro piezo designs is wear. they aren't very optimized in this regard due to having other design goals | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:41 < Phreedom> fenn: http://www.piezo-motor.net/ | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:48 < Phreedom> fenn: http://www.piezo.lt/ does it reming you of anything? ;) | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:50 < Phreedom> piezo motor stuff isn't very new... but it's been very obscure | ||
2008-12-16.log:06:53 < Phreedom> gene: I'm too far away to enjoy it ;) | ||
2008-12-16.log:07:31 < Phreedom> a piece of good enginering: http://www.break.com/index/failed-chinese-crash-test.html | ||
2008-12-16.log:20:04 < Phreedom> kanzure_: thanks | ||
2008-12-17.log:21:29 < Phreedom> kanzure_: why do you think html layout is crappy? | ||
2008-12-17.log:21:30 < Phreedom> and a typical layout engine is a contstraint propagation solver | ||
2008-12-17.log:21:30 < Phreedom> no more and no less | ||
2008-12-18.log:00:28 < Phreedom> kanzure_: much more than four, but most aren't up-to-date ;) | ||
2008-12-18.log:00:29 < Phreedom> nobody needs a layout engine that's behind the current norm | ||
2008-12-18.log:03:45 < Phreedom> gene: I thought it was several 100 billion? | ||
2008-12-18.log:04:03 < Phreedom> gene_: 100 billion sounds like enough to completely change the world :) | ||
2008-12-18.log:04:03 < Phreedom> not by feeding the hungry, but by developing tools which would allow smarter of them to fix their own problems | ||
2008-12-18.log:04:04 < Phreedom> repraps don't grow potatos ;) | ||
2008-12-18.log:04:04 < Phreedom> not yet | ||
2008-12-18.log:04:05 < Phreedom> or better yet build more concentrated solar power stations | ||
2008-12-18.log:04:27 < Phreedom> plenty of useful stuff to do. The question is where do I apply for a 100bn grant? | ||
2008-12-18.log:05:07 < Phreedom> procto: will I get a cookie? ;) | ||
2008-12-27.log:08:51 < Phreedom> kanzure_: nice /. stuff ;) | ||
2008-12-27.log:10:06 < Phreedom> "In the world without walls, who needs windows?" | ||
2008-12-27.log:10:06 < Phreedom> :)) | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:30 < Phreedom> ybit: eh? | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:31 < Phreedom> not yet sleeping | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:33 < Phreedom> ybit: what did you want me to do? I'm really going to fall asleep and nobody would wake me up | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:34 < Phreedom> so you're asking if the acronym translated to russian sounds like some curse word? | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:35 < Phreedom> unf in russian everything can be made to resemble a curse word if you try hard enough | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:35 < Phreedom> but it doesn't evoke any direct associations which is good enough IMO | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:36 < Phreedom> I didn't really ask for a permission :P | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> ybit: too many kids in this channel I guess :) | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> old news | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> and no it's not very useful :) | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> but it's only a matter of time util they bend over | ||
2009-07-20.log:19:38 < Phreedom> *until | ||
2009-07-22.log:21:41 < Phreedom> kanzure: ok | ||
2009-07-22.log:21:42 < Phreedom> although it's not necessarily as simple | ||
2009-07-22.log:22:17 < Phreedom> kanzure: http://www.bibconverter.net/ | ||
2009-07-29.log:23:52 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2009-07-31.log:10:32 < Phreedom> fenn: because the hole they already have doesn't have a sufficient throughput? ;) | ||
2009-07-31.log:15:05 < Phreedom> hi :) | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:30 < Phreedom> ybit: I call bullshit on this one: They store things in way too fancy formats (xml, rdf, sqlite, ... ) | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:30 < Phreedom> xml and rdf are text-based | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:32 < Phreedom> ybit: no. | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:32 < Phreedom> I'm supposed to defent my lovely rdf at all costs ;) | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:32 < Phreedom> *defend | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:49 < Phreedom> fenn: on you mean automated tools? | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:49 < Phreedom> fenn: but some nice tool might just take a plaintext file with a list and then write it in another order | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:49 < Phreedom> fenn: that's why I don't like text files :) | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:50 < Phreedom> also I don't like generic diff tools | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:50 < Phreedom> they don't work well for images, even svg | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> yeah, but you can't edit plaintext files by hand either | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> you use tools | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> you can't. you need to use an editor ;) | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> oh you mean the echo thing | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:51 < Phreedom> so yeha, probably you can :) | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:53 < Phreedom> fenn: that's the hard question | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:53 < Phreedom> format-specific diff tools aren't exactly popular among the unix crowd | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:54 < Phreedom> fenn: maybe they already do | ||
2009-08-01.log:01:54 < Phreedom> there are lots of various xmldiff proggies out there | ||
2009-08-01.log:02:00 < Phreedom> it's too late already | ||
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> fenn: my observations of various spam bots make me doubt this | ||
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> I saw lots of invalid email addresses | ||
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> testing for email validity is rather hard | ||
2009-08-01.log:02:05 < Phreedom> and can be abused by aanti-spam guys | ||
2009-08-01.log:02:06 < Phreedom> so it's usually spammed for many years | ||
2009-08-13.log:16:46 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: eh? | ||
2009-08-13.log:16:51 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: not in my case ;) | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:43 < Phreedom> fenn: not so | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:43 < Phreedom> fenn: it's free if it satisfies some conditions | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:43 < Phreedom> gpl is one of tools which make it possible | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:54 < Phreedom> kanzure: well the difference is that open source cares about opening sources, while fsf cares about satisfying the criterias of free software | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:55 < Phreedom> there are differences | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:55 < Phreedom> tivoisation, patents and whatnot | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:57 < Phreedom> BSD=open source | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:58 < Phreedom> you can close the sources and patent algos | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:58 < Phreedom> fenn: you can, yes | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> but it doesn't protect you from $SOME_EVIL_CORP doing nasty things | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> like tivoisation or simply withholding sources | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> eg I have a BSD formware in my router | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> but I can't modify it | ||
2009-08-18.log:10:59 < Phreedom> it's some BSD os | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:00 < Phreedom> but it doesn't help me at all | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:00 < Phreedom> it's open source which suddenly becomes closed source | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:00 < Phreedom> there are no safeguards | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:02 < Phreedom> fenn: you are arguing about semantics of words | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:02 < Phreedom> which is not correct | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> yes, this is a word play | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> we are talking about specific distribution/license terms | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> generally called open soruce and free software | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:03 < Phreedom> one allows tivoisation, other tries to resist it as much as possible | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:04 < Phreedom> one ignores patents, other tries to keep patent troubles to a minimum | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:04 < Phreedom> one allows closing of the sources, other doesn't | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:04 < Phreedom> SPECIFIC terms | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:05 < Phreedom> not some general meaning of words open and source | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:06 < Phreedom> BSD = an attempt at making stuff public domain, while still forcing people to say who created it | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:06 < Phreedom> yeah enlgish sucks in this area | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:06 < Phreedom> most other languages have different words for free and free | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:07 < Phreedom> kanzure: freedom source? eh? | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:07 < ybit> 11:01 < Phreedom> most other languages have different words for free and free | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:07 < Phreedom> freedom is a noun | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:08 < Phreedom> which isn't and exact translation | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:08 < Phreedom> and->an | ||
2009-08-18.log:11:09 < Phreedom> XXX is freedom of software... doesn't sound good either | ||
2009-08-19.log:17:38 < Phreedom> kanzure: bash? why not increase buf size in konsole? ;) | ||
2009-09-08.log:19:12 < Phreedom> uncertainity isn't usually handy :P | ||
2009-10-02.log:13:34 < Phreedom> o_O | ||
2009-10-08.log:04:00 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: lots of useful info. thanks :) | ||
2009-10-08.log:04:00 < Phreedom> this probably makes boat living not much better than rv | ||
2009-10-08.log:04:02 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: you probably can't expect your small boat to safely cross the ocean too :( | ||
2009-10-19.log:10:28 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:18 < Phreedom> ybit: maybe because it's good? :P | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:19 < Phreedom> yeah I know :) | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:19 < Phreedom> until tomorrow | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:20 < Phreedom> either way it's not a public site yet | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:20 < Phreedom> kardan|: we'll care about it when it's available ;) | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:21 < Phreedom> it's mostly me testing my website setup :) | ||
2009-10-19.log:15:22 < Phreedom> kardan|: actually a number of software projects(eg inkscape) tried using xmpp for collaborative editing before | ||
2009-10-23.log:13:42 < Phreedom> hi guys | ||
2009-10-24.log:15:39 < Phreedom> hey I transferred 1.2 TB last month ;) | ||
2009-10-24.log:15:40 < Phreedom> oh | ||
2009-10-24.log:15:40 < Phreedom> but it's a regular home connection | ||
2009-10-24.log:15:41 < Phreedom> ajax? why not do everything in flash? :P | ||
2009-10-24.log:15:42 < Phreedom> and put it into a word file | ||
2009-10-27.log:18:13 < Phreedom> lol | ||
2009-10-27.log:18:19 < Phreedom> ybit: over your drawings of course | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:47 < Phreedom> kanzure, ybit: pong | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:48 < Phreedom> I tend to think that there must be a separate knowledge db/ apt-get like project, released under gpl-like license | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:49 < Phreedom> the project would consist of heavily parametrized blueprints of stuff and a piece of software to calculate the parameters eg pick suitable materials | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:50 < Phreedom> among these parameters would be price and time | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:50 < Phreedom> also you can expect some packages to be(temporarily) closed-source, like electronic parts | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:51 < Phreedom> this means that your software engine will sometimes decide that buying some part is the only way or the preferred way to build something | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:51 < Phreedom> and here the commercial stuff gets its way until we build a molecular assembler | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:53 < Phreedom> as a consequence some companies will offer their repositories of closed parts and cost/time estimation code for your hw apt-get to use | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:54 < Phreedom> all this really follows deb's model: multiple repositories, package priorities, different licences... | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:55 < Phreedom> this implies that there will be multiple commercial hw companies | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:55 < Phreedom> if you offer skdb or anything under non-free license, nobody will care. if you do and place artifical limits, its are forked as soon as its useful | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:56 < Phreedom> -are | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:56 < Phreedom> I was under impression that skdb was in early pre-alpha stage at best, so only the name of the database project is up to discussion | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:58 < Phreedom> and I thought that giving your project a nice name like omnifab is so much better than dfhk, or skdb or whatever :P | ||
2009-10-29.log:00:58 < Phreedom> really I wasn't prepared to discuss anything commercial | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:01 < Phreedom> the reasons are: skdb still doesn't exist so there's nothing to commercialize; there will be multiple and independent commercial manufacturers/part suppliers | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:01 < Phreedom> when tiem comes and skbd gets closer to being useful, you can start such a company and do it before anyone else does, right | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:02 < Phreedom> but I don't think you are discussing something like this now? | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:44 < Phreedom> fenn: my point was that I thought I had come up with a nice name for the db and I didn't mind it being using for this. No contracts need to be signed, no strings attached since it's an open and free project | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:47 < Phreedom> genehacker: I see you like very DIY-friendly technologies;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:50 < Phreedom> genehacker: *ATM ;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:50 < Phreedom> and no you don't have to DIY everything. using nvidia proprietary drivers on linux is so much better than running M$ crap | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> genehacker: you don't believe in the molecular assembly dairy tale? | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> *fairy | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> grr | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> you better believe in it. you can then start a religion and get a tax-free status | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> it will work someday | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:51 < Phreedom> and 5000 ton press isn't that huge | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:52 < Phreedom> also you foget about community ownership options | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:52 < Phreedom> even if you need such a press you don't need it everyday | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> genehacker: africans have been making diamonds for ages | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> with hammers and axes :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> I\'m even doubtful they are needed | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:53 < Phreedom> genehacker: the largest obstacle to DIY things is electronics | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:54 < Phreedom> ICs | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:54 < Phreedom> and closed | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:55 < Phreedom> single-electron transistors made from graphene. you know what you use to assemble this :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:56 < Phreedom> either way this is wankery | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:56 < Phreedom> lets do something that's useful and can be done right now | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:56 < Phreedom> genehacker: don't ask me. I don't know what you are talking ;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:57 < Phreedom> *talking about | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:58 < Phreedom> most of the time you can work around these complex industrial processes | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:59 < Phreedom> it might be slower, more expensive but who cares? | ||
2009-10-29.log:01:59 < Phreedom> you can save on lawyers and secretaries to compensate for this | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:00 < Phreedom> industry often has 10 specialized processes instead of 1 generic because it's cheaper at their scales. it doesn't mean we have to mirror them | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:01 < Phreedom> while it's absolutely ok to do e-beam litho using your STM, it's totally unacceptable to the industry | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:01 < Phreedom> not that many and really is it a big deal if commercial enterprises will still manufacture 5% of what you consume? ;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:03 < Phreedom> or you can instead build your car with different materials like carbon fiber coposite | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:04 < Phreedom> or yeah just make it out of shit metal instead. it will be weaker, but you can repair it at home :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:05 < Phreedom> we really should concentrate on doing the most with the least effort. not doing everything. and then try harder things | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:06 < Phreedom> you can expect that a DIY movement that can do 50% of stuff at home to greatly influence manufacturing ;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:06 < Phreedom> not reprap but yeah, why not weave the fiber in place, coating it with epoxy on the go? | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:09 < Phreedom> glass fibers are nice too and cheap | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:09 < Phreedom> although most of the cost of fiber composites comes from manual work and low volumes | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:15 < Phreedom> genehacker: glass fiber is cheap enough to be used for heat insulation | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:15 < Phreedom> not in space mind you | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> or it was used sometime ago | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> probably less used now | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> at least in buildings | ||
2009-10-29.log:02:16 < Phreedom> when you are dealing with higher temps, I believe it's still useful | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:28 < Phreedom> lol | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:37 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:37 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: I like your neoimperialism | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:38 < Phreedom> how about reliability, toxicity, charge cycles | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:38 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: if you control their land, food, water... | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> it will work for some time | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> then people will demand more | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> and more and more | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:40 < Phreedom> it's not like they build the infrastructure themselves | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:41 < Phreedom> aaand why do you need so much land? | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:41 < Phreedom> you could buy some cheapass land in the us too | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:41 < Phreedom> yeah it would be much more expensive than africa, but only nominally | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:42 < Phreedom> since it'd be cheaper than anything you might build there | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:42 < Phreedom> some desert :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:42 < Phreedom> why do you need unlimited water? | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:43 < Phreedom> there are no natives in arizona :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:44 < Phreedom> if you are prepared to defend yourself with guns and are ok with never leaving your premises, africa is indeed the land of freee | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> you have to defend anything of substance with lawyers | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> you can keep your laptop | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> while over there anything you happen to have is a treasure | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:50 < Phreedom> I was talking to the us | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:51 < Phreedom> *about | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:51 < Phreedom> in somalia a typical us bum is a walking treasure | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:51 < Phreedom> oh and a gun that you carry to defend you is a treasure too;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:52 < Phreedom> there's a certain percentage of population that holds no allegiance | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:52 < Phreedom> they take something if they can. even if it's detrimental to the society | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:53 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: but what you describe might make some sense for large-scale effort | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:53 < Phreedom> katsmeow-afk: you're yet to tell what huge thing you plan to manufacture | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:53 < Phreedom> perhaps a space elevator? ;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:54 < Phreedom> otherwise, really why bother owning a country? | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:56 < Phreedom> kanzure: time | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:56 < Phreedom> I'm tyring to break away from nepomuk | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:56 < Phreedom> in a constructive way I mean | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:57 < Phreedom> just to finish things that depend on me or things I can do so much better than anyone else | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:57 < Phreedom> kanzure: there are no "strings" | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:57 < Phreedom> but we need to agree on what's going to happen | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> if you want a better name for skdb | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> if skdb is released under a fossy license | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> then you can have the name | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:58 < Phreedom> kanzure: quite possibly. I don't read the channel 100% of the time | ||
2009-10-29.log:07:59 < Phreedom> commercial bullshit without contracts, shares etc sounds strange ;) | ||
2009-10-29.log:08:01 < Phreedom> kanzure: really I saw my name being mentioned along with omnifab so I decided to chime in and explain how I see this whole thing | ||
2009-10-29.log:08:04 < Phreedom> kanzure: if wikipedia's definition of misantropy is correct, then we all are misantropes :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:13:39 < Phreedom> kanzure: I can't keep up with you guys. you are too spammy :( | ||
2009-10-29.log:13:40 < Phreedom> kanzure: but if you decide something about the name let me know | ||
2009-10-29.log:13:40 < Phreedom> just about anything :) | ||
2009-10-29.log:13:42 < Phreedom> catching up is almost impossible. I go pee and have several pages to read after I come back | ||
2009-11-23.log:01:04 < Phreedom> ybit: you barely have cli working for like months ;) | ||
2009-12-12.log:16:44 < Phreedom> L29Ah: привет :) | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:01 < Phreedom> :( | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:01 < Phreedom> utf-8 | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:02 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:03 < Phreedom> Utopiah: it's supposed to... at least in linux :) | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:03 < Phreedom> L29Ah: troubles with encodings is the reason why I don't yet use jabber transports | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:04 < Phreedom> as well as poor support of this in kopete:/ | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:06 < Phreedom> L29Ah: работает | ||
2009-12-12.log:17:09 < Phreedom> L29Ah: basically I'd like to have something like quassel. the server keeps logs of everything and I log in from time to time. unf transports don't do this so i have to do it myself :( | ||
2009-12-12.log:18:06 < Phreedom> Utopiah: cli for chat is a bit too much for me :) | ||
2009-12-12.log:18:06 < Phreedom> hi kanzure | ||
2009-12-15.log:00:48 < Phreedom> ybit: eh? | ||
2009-12-28.log:20:17 < Phreedom> randallagordon: having grown up not really using internet I really fear to lose it :) | ||
2009-12-28.log:20:17 < Phreedom> offtopic I know | ||
2009-12-28.log:20:17 < Phreedom> disregard me :) | ||
2010-01-06.log:14:41 < Phreedom> timschmidt: depends on what you consider "accuracy" | ||
2010-01-06.log:14:42 < Phreedom> if you are referring to lapping, yes | ||
2010-01-06.log:14:42 < Phreedom> try making a leadscrew that's more precise than machine's leadscrews | ||
2010-01-06.log:14:46 < Phreedom> timschmidt: I'm talking about things like linearity | ||
2010-01-06.log:14:47 < Phreedom> making a more linear thread that's larger than the machine's working area(which is smaller than the machine's leadscrews) is pretty much impossible | ||
2010-01-06.log:17:55 < Phreedom> timschmidt: good point about diagonal placement :) | ||
2010-01-06.log:17:57 < Phreedom> timschmidt: there are some designs which have working area = 1/2 of table length and these won't work with diagonal placement | ||
2010-01-06.log:17:57 < Phreedom> more space-efficient designs can probably fit | ||
2010-01-06.log:17:58 < Phreedom> so well, if you try hard probably you'll be abl to do it | ||
2010-01-06.log:17:58 < Phreedom> but I wouldn't want to be the one who does it :) | ||
2010-01-12.log:00:32 < Phreedom> hi | ||
2010-01-13.log:15:47 < Phreedom> you can expect idiots to throw shit at open source more, not less | ||
2010-01-13.log:15:47 < Phreedom> as it gains even more recognition | ||
2010-01-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> fenn: no, not in this case | ||
2010-01-31.log:16:58 < Phreedom> the kbd feels pretty solid | ||
2010-02-11.log:19:28 < Phreedom> I wish something like this happened locally :( | ||
2010-03-04.log:15:48 < Phreedom> fenn: actually a lot more languages die every year :) | ||
2010-03-04.log:15:48 < Phreedom> mostly because they are useless | ||
2010-03-04.log:16:23 < Phreedom> fenn: you expect any kind of order or system in arcane hieroglyphs? | ||
2010-03-04.log:16:25 < Phreedom> just ask some fairy to fix the pic then ;) | ||
2010-03-19.log:13:34 < Phreedom> :) | ||
2010-09-24.log:22:19 < Phreedom> hi :) |
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