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kanzureokay, logs are fixed now to be dumped into %Y-%m-%d.log18:07
kanzurehttp://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-05.log18:07
kanzure(i'll merge the earlier part of today in when irssi is done with that file handler)18:07
jcluckcool18:07
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kanzurefor everything else: http://gnusha.org/logs/18:07
kanzureand the master dump: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt18:08
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fenni dont think a humanoid hand is cost effective at this point in consumer robotics18:11
bdeski know, right?  why do we always have to anthropomorphize everything.18:12
fennsmart phone + mirror attachment + telescoping broomstick + rc car18:12
fenn(the cameras are always on the opposite side of the screen, hence the mirror)18:12
JayDuggerBecause human anatomy's constraints define a large set of interesting problems. 18:13
ENKI-][nothing is really cost-effective in consumer robotics. there aren't all that many consumers18:13
ENKI-][remember the eighties, when there were many different brands of damn cool robots (pre-built and otherwise) on the market competing to be the definitive personal robot brand? i don't, because i wasn't alive then, but i've read about it. i imagine most of them went the way of the arctec gemini18:15
QuantumG"telepresence" kinda sets the bar that low18:15
ENKI-][the hero 1 and the gemini were among the most interesting, along with the rbx.18:15
QuantumG"I want to be present" .. ok, fixed camera.. "and I wanna be able to look around" ok.18:16
ENKI-][telepresence sets the bar low enough to trip over. that doesn't mean there's necessarily a market. but if there is, it's not the consumer robotics market18:16
bdeskthere are military robots now.  in the past, military technology has been adapted for civilian use.18:16
ENKI-][i guess you could consider the predator drones to be telepresence bots. i'm not sure i'd want to have to use one18:17
JayDuggerThere are military remote-operated vehicles now, and there are military robots.18:17
JayDuggerTwo different things.18:17
QuantumGI'd like to see a teleoperation/telepresence robot that you can use to rebuild an engine.18:17
ENKI-][i think being able to make hand gestures and throw a ball at someone's head would be reasonable18:17
kanzureENKI-][: here's one of your competitors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qdXkJVQUfM18:18
kanzure(Newton)18:18
ENKI-][kanzure: i wasn't aware i was in the market18:18
kanzurethe competitors that you mentioned.18:18
JayDuggerDid YouTube fix the weekend's problem?18:18
ENKI-][sounds like the gemini a bit18:19
QuantumGkanzure: does this become hardcore porn soon?18:19
ENKI-][in terms of capability18:19
kanzureQuantumG: no :(18:19
QuantumGusually this level of 80s acting prowess is following by bass chords and people getting naked.18:20
ENKI-][wow, very similar18:20
kanzure"Long term memory is made possible by a twenty MEGA BYTE hard drive storage device"18:20
ENKI-][the gemini used eight apple II boards18:20
kanzurenote the explicit space in "mega byte"18:20
JayDuggerHuh? Oh, you mean a door stop.18:20
JayDuggerfull-height hard drive, right? Weighs about 8 pounds?18:21
kanzureJayDugger: and on wheels.18:21
ENKI-][HE IS CAPABLE OF STRAIGHT LINE MOVEMENT *AND* TURNS18:21
QuantumGand with no hands he's incapable of molesting your kids.18:21
kanzure(we're looking at you, 3PO)18:22
kanzure5:29 wow what a charger18:23
ENKI-][gemini apparently had procedural narrative generation for telling unique stories. that was awesome18:23
ENKI-][or sounded awesome18:23
QuantumGOMG, that's no robot!  They've wrapped Stephen Hawking in white plastic!  Damn you Apple!18:24
ENKI-][looks like the charging unit might fall off18:24
kanzureTECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED! *inserts floppy*18:24
ENKI-][:D18:24
ENKI-][well, this was near the end of the data casette era18:25
kanzureand the totally retro end theme song18:25
ENKI-][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsh-g4Qond0&feature=related awesome, a hero18:26
kanzure"he'll be part of your famillly / newton / he's helping you through technology / he's a dream to you / bringing the future home to you / he's watching you, newtoooonnnn"18:26
QuantumGdamn, all those 80s haircuts.. no wonder so many robots went nuts and killed so many people.18:26
kanzurei can't believe "he's watching you" made it into that song18:26
QuantumGhehe18:26
QuantumG / he's part of our nefarious plot to take over america18:27
kanzure / he can't be stopped / newtoooonnn18:29
uniqanomalyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI  acid in bush ;D18:29
JayDuggerGood night, everyone.18:31
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ENKI-][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8dUL9qgU1M&feature=related18:32
fennoff to get lost in cupertino18:32
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bkerolol18:52
bkerofenn: You're in the bay area18:52
bkero???18:52
bkerokanzure: are you in the bay area too?18:52
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bkeroFffff18:52
kanzurehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/h-summit-harvard-the-rise-of-the-citizen-scientist?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=446afe0ae9-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email18:56
kanzurebkero: not yet18:56
bkeroI'm going to be gone tomorrow until Thursday.  Mozilla summit in Canada.18:57
Alystairwait what?18:58
Alystairmozilla summit? Where at?18:58
bkeroCanada18:58
bkeroWhistler, BC18:58
Alystairwtf, their office is in f'n Toronto18:58
bkeroI leave at 3:30AM tomorrow morning18:58
Alystairwhy would it be in BC18:58
bkeroAlystair: Whistler is a very posh resort18:58
bkeroand Toronto is full of french canadians18:58
AlystairI resent that statement18:59
bkero'eh?18:59
AlystairI am not French18:59
bkeroBut am I wrong?18:59
Alystairyes? Toronto is super multicultural19:00
Alystairnot really focused on French tho', we have Quebec for that19:00
bkeroIt's dangerously close19:00
Alystairwhat do you even do at the summit19:00
Alystairis it a place where I can get a job at Mozilla19:01
* Alystair googles19:01
bkerodrink beer19:01
bkeroand argue19:01
bkeroIf you want a job at mozilla you should have just told me. :P19:01
bkeroWhat do you do/wan to do?19:02
bdesktell them to start using webkit19:02
AlystairI just reported a bug in chromium recently, or at least the 2d rendering engine :)19:04
bkeroSo you want to report bugs? :P19:04
Alystairnah19:04
AlystairPM ok?19:04
bkeroOk19:09
kanzuretell them that threads are not evil19:18
kanzureand to rewrite their browser19:18
QuantumGfrom scratch19:19
QuantumGapparently Opera is awesome in that respect.. if I had any respect for Opera that is.19:19
Alystairwhy don't you have any respect?19:23
AlystairOpera Mini kicks ass on my E7119:23
Alystairwell, it's better than nothing I guess ;D19:23
QuantumGheh.. because from day one they've been saying "Proprietary is better than Free" and making a commercial argument.19:24
bdeskQuantumG: do you think drexler should scan nanosystems and put it on the internets?19:26
QuantumGI'd prefer he did something to actually make the book happen :)19:26
AJollyLifeENKI-][: id totally take my own predator drone though19:28
ENKI-][i'd prefer to build my own hero one, AJollyLife 19:28
AJollyLifesome guy gave a talk on that at shmoocon this year19:29
AlystairJolly: your nick is familiar when you mention schmoocon, were you one of the folks behind the pre-generated rainbow tables a few years back?19:31
AJollyLifenope, im not affiliated with church of wifi19:31
* Alystair is part of the Toronto HacklabTO19:31
AJollyLifei am part of mobile disco, which tends to win a bunch of shmoocon contests, but thats it19:31
Alystairneat19:32
AJollyLifeawesome, I've got a few friends from there :)19:32
AlystairProbably Leigh :)19:32
AJollyLifei'm also part of vedagodz/team awesome, but thats more of a defcon thing19:32
AJollyLifeyep :)19:32
Alystairthat's why I recognize the name19:32
AlystairI've NEVER been to any cons19:32
AJollyLifeteam awesome, or from leigh?19:32
Alystairleigh, I have no idea why19:32
AJollyLifeshes pretty awesome :) 19:32
Alystairmaybe you idled in #hacklabto or she spoke about you19:32
AJollyLifenever been in hacklabto19:33
Alystairmy memory is spotty, all I remember are connections, it's f'n bizarre19:33
AJollyLifeactually, thanks for reminding me, i have to poke her about recon19:33
Alystairjoy of ADHD PI I guess19:33
AJollyLifegrr. shes not on irc19:33
Alystairyeah hardly these days19:34
AJollyLifewell, she usually idles19:34
Alystairbusy lady :)19:34
AJollyLifethis is the first time ive actually not seen her online19:34
Alystairnot like the days of 260019:34
AJollyLifeand im staying with her for recon....and thats thursday19:34
* Alystair isn't familiar with recon19:34
AJollyLifeheh, shes one of the only people I know who goes to more cons than i do19:34
AJollyLiferecon = reverse engineering conference, every two years, in montreal19:34
Alystairoh neat19:34
AlystairI guess what's his name from Chumby goes to that19:35
AlystairBunny!19:35
Alystairman it's such a small world, really19:35
AJollyLifebunny huang19:35
AJollyLifenot sure, its my first recon19:35
AJollyLifebut yeah, it really is19:35
shrdlu-um, the primary reason for the investment behind much of military technology is to hand it over to private industry so it can be sold to consumers19:37
shrdlu-oops19:37
shrdlu-reading backscroll19:37
kanzureshrdlu-: we encourage backlog reading in here :)19:37
kanzurebdesk: 'nanosystems' is already on the internest, if you want a copy..19:38
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Alystairaughh I need to finish this email to Anssi Vanjok19:38
kanzureanssi who now?19:38
Alystairand CC Olli-Pekka if he still works for Nokia ahaha19:39
Alystairah sorry, Anssi Vanjoki.19:39
Alystairoh wait he's now the new CEO, need to send my congrats for replacing Olli19:40
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kanzureanyone know of 'transhumanism' texts that have been published within the last two years?20:36
QuantumGI know of fiction20:37
QuantumGPeter F. Hamilton's latest series is jam packed with transhumanists20:38
bdeskhttp://jetpress.org/v20/verdoux.htm20:40
QuantumGStephen Wolfram  connected the Singularity to deeper issues related to the nature of complexity and meaning -- a critical perspective, in my view. In the bigger picture, all this technological acceleration is just another phase in the self-organization of complex form that's been going on for billions of years, and will very likely continue long after humans are no longer top dog on this planet.20:45
QuantumGpfft.20:45
bdeskhttp://www.europarl.europa.eu/stoa/publications/studies/stoa2007-13_en.pdf20:48
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bdeskthe link was advertising that as 2009 but i see it is 2007.20:49
ENKI-][hah, nice choice of nick20:49
bdeskno wait it is 200920:49
AJollyLifeQuantumG: which series?20:50
QuantumGCommonwealth Saga: Pandora's Star, Judas Unchained,  The Dreaming Void, and The Eveolutionary Void (being written).  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Saga20:52
AJollyLifeokay :)20:53
AJollyLifethanks!20:53
kanzureQuantumG: well, at least someone mentioned it who has some status20:58
kanzureQuantumG: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/20:58
kanzurei mean, srsly, there's room for complexity science in singularity bullshit20:58
kanzure*singularity bullshitting20:58
QuantumGhmm.. I can't connect to heybryan.org20:58
kanzurehrm20:58
kanzureQuantumG: try now.20:59
kanzureguess i have to turn the server on if i want people to be able to access it huh20:59
AJollyLifeminor details20:59
kanzurebah! fools.20:59
QuantumGyeah, what was I looking at?  20:59
kanzurehm?20:59
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/fernhout/ is some discussion on how it's not really linear progress21:00
kanzureer21:00
kanzurei mean, how technological development is more of a result of complex systems effect21:00
kanzurealways easier in hindsight, etc.21:01
QuantumGoh, increasing complexity.. sure..  but I expect Goertzel just cherry picked that out of Wolfram's babble.21:01
kanzureoh, absolutely21:01
kanzurehis article didn't seem particularly brilliant21:01
kanzureapparently kurzweilai.net is always stretched for articles21:01
kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Future:_The_Animated_Series21:18
kanzure"In addition, Bill Nye performed scientific experiments during the closing live-action segments in each episode, a spot which later led to Nye getting his own show)."21:18
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AJollyLifeQuantumG: what of peter hamiltons stuff should i try reading first?21:30
QuantumGMisspent Youth is pretty funny.. but I recommend Fallen Dragon, as it is his standalone book.21:32
AJollyLifeok :)21:33
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fennyep, vampires, all of them.23:47
fenni sit down next to an empty chair and this lady sits down next to me http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3298/4568134908_dea4e6e916.jpg23:48
fennnote the frilly collar, that's to hide the bite marks23:48
fenni'm lucky to have escaped alive23:52
splicer_(cougar encounter)23:58
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