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kanzure | 'Boy, Captain America over here! "Best of the best of the best, sir!" "With honors." Yeah, he's just really excited and he has no clue why we're here.' | 01:11 |
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Lukas___ | Good morning | 03:06 |
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fenn | is there a word for using a webcam to detect facial expression and sending only compressed version of the expression as a cartoon sort of thing? (webcam avatar sorta kinda works) | 04:55 |
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fenn | man, all the kinect avatars look like bobbleheads | 04:58 |
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Lukas__ | Good morning | 05:08 |
kanzure | fenn: at least recommended because the book recommendations match what you've recently been reading, | 05:26 |
kanzure | http://ynotds.com/ | 05:26 |
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fenn | is this tony's book? | 05:26 |
fenn | he's like the australian greg egan~ | 05:27 |
JayDugger | You know Greg Egan's an Australian, right? | 05:29 |
kanzure | fenn: no i think he's just reaching retirement and wants a commemorative wall of text | 05:30 |
fenn | JayDugger: hence the snark mark | 05:32 |
JayDugger | Sorry. I missed that. | 05:32 |
kanzure | ##hplusroadmap: an official sponsor of the snarkmark~ | 05:32 |
JayDugger | I didn't know Egan was an Australian until the day after I left his hometown. | 05:32 |
JayDugger | Some people can't read faces. I have to guess at emoticons. | 05:32 |
JayDugger | Failing that, I need elevator shoes to help me catch what goes over my head. | 05:33 |
fenn | you should try reading minds, works much better | 05:33 |
JayDugger | No, thank you. Why would I want to go skinny-dipping in blood-warm sewage, fenn? | 05:34 |
JayDugger | I'll stick inside my own skull. | 05:34 |
fenn | meh, suit yourself | 05:34 |
kanzure | best of the best of the best, of the best of the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRi28W-ENY | 05:47 |
Lukas__ | xD | 05:53 |
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Lukas__ | What is your opinion on the proposed Internet kill switch? | 06:28 |
fenn | please be more specific | 06:29 |
Lukas__ | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029282-281.html | 06:30 |
Lukas__ | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/kill-switch-legislation/ | 06:31 |
fenn | oh, if it's in wired i'm not worried about it | 06:34 |
fenn | wtf seriously there is no realtime spectrogram visualization for linux? | 06:35 |
fenn | this is like a 10 line program with fftw | 06:35 |
Lukas__ | What do you mean? | 06:37 |
Lukas__ | "if it's in wired i'm not worried about it" | 06:37 |
fenn | i want http://ecee.colorado.edu/~mathys/ecen1200/hwcl09/gram2.png but without all the windows legacy cruft | 06:38 |
kanzure | Lukas__: wired.com is full of shit these days, wired.com/threatlevel (which you linked to) even more so (you might recalled he trolled DIY transhumanism) | 06:39 |
kanzure | *recall | 06:39 |
Lukas__ | ah | 06:39 |
Lukas__ | It still worries me though, especially with what is happening in Egypt | 06:40 |
kanzure | i don't think that's true | 06:40 |
kanzure | if you were actually worried you'd set up a mesh network | 06:40 |
fenn | egypt's economy isn't tied to the net | 06:40 |
fenn | even if they for some reason turned off the net for a day, it'd never last a week | 06:41 |
fenn | i'd like to think we can survive without the internet for a day | 06:41 |
fenn | and yes, we really do need mesh networks as a fallback | 06:42 |
fenn | indymedia in carnegie mellon was doing this in like 2003 | 06:43 |
delinquentme | ... a day w/o internet | 06:44 |
fenn | also there's APRS over shortwave | 06:44 |
delinquentme | i donno man | 06:44 |
fenn | i would guess the airwaves would get clogged rather quickly tho | 06:45 |
fenn | lukas you might like the book "little brother" if you're paranoid about these things | 06:46 |
fenn | wow, google decided to stop censoring search results in china | 06:48 |
fenn | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html | 06:48 |
Lukas__ | I'm not paranoid about stuff like this, usually I let it go | 06:48 |
Lukas__ | but a whole internet kill switch scares me | 06:48 |
Lukas__ | anything less and I wouldn't care | 06:49 |
Lukas__ | but this is a bit unnerving | 06:49 |
ThomasEgi | build your own backbone infrastructure. problem avoided. | 06:49 |
Lukas__ | Funding? | 06:50 |
ThomasEgi | none. | 06:50 |
ThomasEgi | you simply conenct to the neighbours. | 06:50 |
fenn | lukas did you actually read the article? | 06:50 |
ThomasEgi | wlan, physical wire, and my favorite: free space optical. | 06:50 |
Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wireless_community_networks_by_region | 06:51 |
fenn | ThomasEgi: optical sucks (on earth at least) | 06:51 |
ThomasEgi | fenn, it doesnt | 06:51 |
fenn | or anything more than 20 feet that doesn't involve towers or tall buildings | 06:51 |
ThomasEgi | 2km with 10mbit is not bad at all | 06:51 |
ThomasEgi | with homebrew hardware. | 06:52 |
fenn | i'm sure it could be improved a lot if someone actually did some serious development | 06:52 |
ThomasEgi | it can. | 06:52 |
ThomasEgi | i'm always keeping an eye on it. | 06:52 |
ThomasEgi | the 10mbit are baseband transmission. | 06:52 |
ThomasEgi | using dsp's and real modulation you could get a lot higher bandwith. | 06:52 |
ThomasEgi | but still. 10mbit is quite fast if you use it to build a meshed grid | 06:53 |
ThomasEgi | even a lot less would be useful for communication. if you dont have to deal with youtube and the likes you can have an awful lot of people communicating together. | 06:53 |
fenn | yeah | 06:54 |
ThomasEgi | http://ronja.twibright.com/ <- for the 10mbit homebrew | 06:54 |
ThomasEgi | i'm thinking about building a smaller, lot simpler and cheaper usb versiom. | 06:54 |
fenn | i knew about ronja even before i heard about wifi mesh networks | 06:54 |
ThomasEgi | with just one to 3 mbit | 06:54 |
ThomasEgi | lowering costs and difficulties. aswell as boosting range. | 06:56 |
fenn | you can already get usb wifi transmitters though.. | 06:57 |
ThomasEgi | jeah but.. a government can easily disturb wifi city-wide | 06:58 |
fenn | is that true? | 06:58 |
ThomasEgi | signal-noise ratio.. | 06:58 |
fenn | there's already a zillion things pumping out non-wifi 2.4GHz | 06:58 |
ThomasEgi | jeah. wifi is totaly at it's limit already. | 06:59 |
ThomasEgi | i mean.. wifi sends in the milliwatt range.. a microwave oven easily does 300 to 1000. | 07:00 |
ThomasEgi | shutting down wifi is quite easy | 07:00 |
kanzure | so all those non-profit orgs for civil rights and other bullshit | 07:02 |
kanzure | should be supplying enough ronjas or mesh nodes to cover the surface of egypt | 07:02 |
kanzure | quick, do the math! how much would that be and at what cost? | 07:02 |
ThomasEgi | ronja is comparebly expensive. | 07:02 |
kanzure | doesn't matter, civil rights groups are loaded with bullshit dollars | 07:02 |
ThomasEgi | somewhere between 100 and 250 $ per link i guess. | 07:03 |
ThomasEgi | for slightly reduced speed, like the 3mbit usb version i am experimenting around.. you could cut the costs down by 80%. if you order in volume, even more | 07:04 |
kanzure | i don't care.. set it as a variable | 07:04 |
ThomasEgi | well. setting it up, aiming the devices etc is propably what takes most time. | 07:05 |
ThomasEgi | a single link is established quite fast, but a whole mesh takes time. so you better set it up before your government decides to go down the drain. | 07:05 |
kanzure | i don't think you read what i wrote | 07:06 |
ThomasEgi | *sigh* it's unpraticable :P | 07:08 |
ThomasEgi | to mesh up cairo with one node every 200meters (which is really dense) it may be around 1 to 2 mio € | 07:12 |
kanzure | 2 million euros? is cheap for these NPOs | 07:12 |
ThomasEgi | so.. if you break down the gosts. it's less than 50¢ per person living in cairo. you'd have to bridge to the people's homes using regular cables or (as long as the government doesnt shut you down) wifi | 07:13 |
ThomasEgi | it could be a lot cheaper tho. | 07:13 |
ThomasEgi | when i look at pictures , it appears cairo's roofs are clustered with satelite dishes. a few small optical heads would go almost unnoticed. | 07:15 |
ThomasEgi | oh , one big advantage of optical links. they dont distrub each other, so you can have as many as you like. | 07:17 |
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kanzure | haha john smart is cited on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 | 08:18 |
kanzure | Lukas__ if you ever get bored you can rewrite the diybio wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:DIYbio | 08:19 |
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kanzure | international biomolecular design competition http://biomod.net/ | 08:59 |
kanzure | wait, you don't have to make your molecule? | 09:00 |
kanzure | DMD bullshit here we come | 09:00 |
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Lukas__ | Did I miss anything vital? | 09:52 |
kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-30.log | 09:53 |
Lukas__ | Wow, the logs are fairly short | 09:54 |
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