# Summary of #hplusroadmap IRC Log (August 25, 2011)

• A nonprofit organization called Carboncopies (carboncopies.org) was shared, which focuses on Advancing Substrate Independent Minds (ASIM), though one participant noted that despite the "exciting" name, they "didn't learn much" from its presentations.

• Kanzure revealed that Carboncopies.org is actually Ken Hayworth's organization for funding his microscope work, though Hayworth doesn't explicitly state this due to concerns about his position at Harvard.

• A link was shared to a podcast featuring Anders Sandberg discussing whether whole brain emulation makes sense (spokenword.org/program/1619849), with criticism that he should focus more on practical implementation like "how to code the emulator software."

• The discussion touched on the philosophical question of whether a copy of a mind is truly the same entity, with one participant stating they were "satisfied that they acknowledge that a copy is a copy."

• A related article was shared: "Achieving Substrate Independent Minds: No, We Cannot Copy Brains" from Kurzweil AI, suggesting ongoing debate about the feasibility of mind uploading.