# Key Points from #hplusroadmap IRC Discussion

• Participants evaluated Aubrey de Grey's life extension work, acknowledging his marketing skills and role in challenging conventional thinking about aging, while noting the current lack of demonstrable effects from his approaches.

• Following Steve Jobs' death, a debate emerged about Apple's business model, sparked by Eben Moglen's quote that "Nobody has ever had more contempt for customers than Mr. Jobs," highlighting tensions between controlled ecosystems and open technology approaches.

• The discussion explored philosophical questions about measuring success through market share versus profitability, with some defending Apple's approach of creating products with high customer satisfaction despite smaller market share in certain sectors.

• Participants noted that prominent technologists like Arthur C. Clarke, who once gave cryonics a "90% chance" of success, often don't choose preservation themselves, prompting speculation about this disconnect.

• Some participants suggested that Jobs missed opportunities to fund anti-aging research or cryonics initiatives instead of focusing solely on conventional medical treatments like liver transplants.

• NASA's astronaut requirements were shared (http://astronauts.nasa.gov/content/AstroCandbro_sm_new.pdf), with commentary on the $60 million per passenger cost for Soyuz missions.