| --- Day changed Thu Oct 09 2008 | ||
| xp_prg | so sounds like we have a good design now | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| fenn | we've identified the massive blank areas | 00:00 |
| kanzure_ | think of it like a college kid trying to remember his freshman year of parties. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | ooh | 00:04 |
| kanzure | I have a treat :) | 00:04 |
| kanzure_ | for those of us that can view pptx files | 00:05 |
| fenn | nup | 00:05 |
| xp_prg | what is a pptx file? | 00:05 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/presentations/ :) | 00:05 |
| kanzure_ | pptx is apparently the latest powerpoint BS | 00:05 |
| kanzure_ | I'm sure openoffice can do it. | 00:05 |
| fenn | one line summary please | 00:05 |
| kanzure_ | automated design presentation from Automated Design Lab point of view | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | *presentations | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | so basically everything we talk about :) | 00:06 |
| fenn | "user is stupid let computer do the work"? | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | hah | 00:06 |
| fenn | hmm that's not terribly specific is it | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | optimization, search algorithms, black boxen, 'flow' diagrams, configuration function diagrams (or whatever), | 00:07 |
| * fenn has a black box belt in the works | 00:08 | |
| kanzure_ | turlte belt? | 00:08 |
| kanzure_ | *turtle | 00:08 |
| fenn | AA battery belt | 00:08 |
| kanzure_ | bah, you functionalist scum. | 00:08 |
| fenn | not ipoddy enough for you? | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | what? | 00:09 |
| fenn | AA is the greatest turtle i've had the pleasure of dealing with | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | well, actually, I prefer the battery belt | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | AA is a good turtle I suppose | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | kind of acidic though, doesn't that worry you | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | for the turtle soup :) | 00:10 |
| fenn | also known as LR44 | 00:10 |
| fenn | oops not LR44 | 00:10 |
| fenn | LR6! | 00:10 |
| fenn | not sure what the difference is | 00:11 |
| fenn | anyway, supposedly you can even get li-ion AA's | 00:11 |
| kanzure_ | huh. what luck. no pptx viewer for linux. | 00:12 |
| bkero | The fuck is a pptx? | 00:14 |
| kanzure_ | Pure evil. | 00:14 |
| fenn | $0.50/watt*hr is about the same as NiMH but lighter and no stupid self-discharge | 00:16 |
| fenn | why the hell do i have 'botten anna' stuck in my head | 00:16 |
| bkero | Just go with LiFePO3's | 00:17 |
| fenn | where do i buy one in AA? | 00:17 |
| bkero | If you really want size constraints just get an 18650 | 00:18 |
| bkero | You can get those relatively close to AA size | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | relatively close? heh' | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | why would they bother making it "slightly off from AA" ? | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | seriously? | 00:18 |
| bkero | They don't. | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | just to screw with you? | 00:18 |
| xp_prg | what a cool presentation, you using genetic algorithms? | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: yes | 00:18 |
| bkero | 18650s are almost as common as AAs. | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: and SA | 00:18 |
| xp_prg | what you coding in? | 00:18 |
| xp_prg | perl? | 00:18 |
| fenn | i'm having trouble finding LiFePO3 batts | 00:18 |
| xp_prg | what is SA? | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | perl, java, C#, all sorts of stuff | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | SA = simulated annealing | 00:18 |
| bkero | fenn: Look for lithium polymers | 00:18 |
| kanzure_ | it's like GA but population size = 1 | 00:19 |
| xp_prg | cool | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | yes | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | oh | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | even better news! :) | 00:19 |
| fenn | bkero: i think you're missing the point | 00:19 |
| bkero | fenn: what is the point? | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | bioreactor project is getting Dow funding! | 00:19 |
| * kanzure_ does a happy dance | 00:19 | |
| fenn | bkero: to have a generic battery form factor that can be easily procured and/or upgraded when necessary | 00:19 |
| bkero | fenn: 18650s with tabs | 00:20 |
| xp_prg | kanzure wow man really?! | 00:20 |
| kanzure_ | yes | 00:20 |
| xp_prg | you just found that out? | 00:20 |
| bkero | You put them in PVC tubes | 00:20 |
| kanzure_ | yes | 00:20 |
| xp_prg | how much you getting? | 00:20 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: unknown | 00:20 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: But they're very interested in the 10,000 gallon version we're doing this year -- this is the bioreactor-algae-biodiesel subset project | 00:20 |
| bkero | 18650s are more dense, you can get them for pretty cheap, they have a longer cycle life, and they have a better chemistry. | 00:20 |
| xp_prg | kanzure_ what does this project do they are interested in? | 00:20 |
| xp_prg | make bio disel cheaply? | 00:20 |
| fenn | but i have to spot weld them | 00:20 |
| kanzure_ | biodiesel | 00:20 |
| kanzure_ | very cheaply. | 00:21 |
| xp_prg | how much per gallon? | 00:21 |
| kanzure_ | 1 g lipids per liter. | 00:21 |
| bkero | fenn: Or just buy them with tabs. Most places will weld them on for you for free. Some charge $0.50/cell | 00:21 |
| kanzure_ | doubling rate of 24 hours at the moment | 00:21 |
| kanzure_ | but we're going to kick that up | 00:21 |
| bkero | fenn: Or just use small metal cylinders between the cells in a PVC pipe. THat's what I do for my bike. | 00:21 |
| kanzure_ | with multiple background schedulings of growth rates for multiple subchambers etc. | 00:21 |
| xp_prg | how much will it cost per gallon of bio dizel? | 00:21 |
| kanzure_ | cost? light is free | 00:22 |
| xp_prg | no but how much does it cost for the materials averaging to price per gallon? | 00:22 |
| bkero | Uh | 00:22 |
| fenn | bkero: also they are looking around $1.40/Wh | 00:22 |
| bkero | kanzure_: biodiesel? Are you doing an algae extraction? | 00:22 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: yes | 00:22 |
| xp_prg | kanzure will it be like 1.00 a gallon? | 00:22 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: The entire setup hasn't been cost estimted yet. | 00:22 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: Not sure. | 00:23 |
| bkero | I've made biodiesel before. It's really fucking easy. | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: Working on it. | 00:23 |
| xp_prg | will it be less then what we pay now? | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | I don't pay for gasoline as it is, so I don't know | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | or diesel for that matte.r | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | *matter. | 00:23 |
| xp_prg | well its 4.00 a gallon | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: yeah, so this is pretty fun as you can imagine | 00:23 |
| bkero | 1) Grow an oil-rich strain of algae. 2) Heat it up. 3) Put it in a giant fucking press. 4) Put it in a gas tank. | 00:23 |
| fenn | or $0.7/Wh in 36 qty which isn't too bad i guess | 00:23 |
| bkero | Or replace 3 with a hexane bath to extract the oil. | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: Was your heat up process energy efficient? | 00:23 |
| kanzure_ | I mean the heat up + press | 00:23 |
| bkero | kanzure_: Yea. It doesn't require much heat beyond a hot day. | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | Interesting. | 00:24 |
| bkero | Well, a hot day and drying out a while. | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | I was going to go through about 10 or 12 lipid extraction techniques | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | to do some analysis and make sure I'm not being stupid | 00:24 |
| bkero | kanzure_: Just use hexane. Press is about 70% efficient, hexane bath is 95+ | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | also throwing those equations and numbers into OpenFOAM with geometric constraints for the bioreactor well. | 00:24 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: Okay. I'll look into that. | 00:25 |
| kanzure_ | For some stupid reason we're using algae with strong membranes. | 00:25 |
| bkero | kanzure_: What strains are you using? I've found that oil rich strains aren't hearty at all. If you don't keep native algae in check, it'll totally take over your tank. | 00:25 |
| fenn | bkero: you could put the left overs into a thermal depolymerization reactor, to extract the energy from starch/protein etc | 00:25 |
| bkero | Especially strains that have been genetically modified to produce oil. | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: I'll have to double check on the strain. I've been trying to get the lab partners to send me the information for a week now. ;-) | 00:26 |
| bkero | fenn: Actually a lot of people put it in a digestor to produce methane. | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | It's all in a powerpoint. | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | Everything's by powerpoint these days. :( | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: No genetic modification at this point. | 00:26 |
| bkero | kanzure_: You should fly me out to check the project out. :P | 00:26 |
| fenn | also with thermal depolymerization you can use wild/natural algae | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | But they are highly selected for pH resistance. | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: Yeah! oh wait :) | 00:26 |
| bkero | What kind of tank are you using to cultivate it? | 00:26 |
| fenn | just spray a concrete field with fertilizer water | 00:26 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: I just told you - I'm doing some CFD/OpenFOAM simulations to determine optimization. | 00:27 |
| fenn | and scrape off the gunk with a bulldozer | 00:27 |
| bkero | Ah | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: photobioreactor + tubular design sounds really good at this point though | 00:27 |
| bkero | kanzure_: When I did, I didn't have much of a choice. I used a large plastic septic tank. | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | right | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | At the moment we're using fish tanks | 00:27 |
| fenn | or one of those sprinkler rotor irrigation machines they use on farms | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | and I just lugged up a stupid 150 gallon 'plastic pond' | 00:27 |
| bkero | You want lots of light exposure, and lots of co2 to feed it | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | and some plywood | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | yeah | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | we have a co2 tank at the moment | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | 5000 psi :/ | 00:27 |
| kanzure_ | I keep forgetting the name of the component that I want to call a compressed air generator | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | compressor? | 00:28 |
| fenn | air compressor? | 00:28 |
| bkero | co2 is easy. Just have a small bleeder valve attached to both tanks, and make a watertight seal around a hose at the bottom of the algae tank. | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | does it make sense to have an air compressor here? | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: yep, that's what we have. | 00:28 |
| bkero | Air compressor? For what? | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | erm, I mean bkero | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | well | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | we have a co2 tank wired up to some sort of generator | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | I'm guessing it's doing compressed air | 00:28 |
| kanzure_ | it's really fucking loud | 00:29 |
| fenn | what does it sound like? | 00:29 |
| bkero | Air compressors are pretty sweet, but does algae need oxygen? | 00:29 |
| bkero | (er, air) | 00:29 |
| kanzure_ | that's why I'm wondering | 00:29 |
| kanzure_ | we have the co2 tank hooked up | 00:29 |
| fenn | algae needs oxygen during the dark cycle | 00:29 |
| kanzure_ | oh right | 00:29 |
| kanzure_ | :) | 00:29 |
| bkero | Well, then just get a couple gallon air compressor tank, and find some way to automate the bleeder valves. | 00:29 |
| kanzure_ | so anyway, charlie/gene has been suggesting pulsed light on an LED at 10 kHz or something | 00:30 |
| bkero | Have an air compressor tank(with compressor) on one valve, and a co2 tank on the other. | 00:30 |
| kanzure_ | to make the algae cycle on the photo-light/dark reactions really quick, to kick up the growth rates | 00:30 |
| kanzure_ | we don't have an air tank though | 00:30 |
| bkero | Would that work? | 00:30 |
| bkero | Most air compressors have tanks | 00:30 |
| kanzure_ | anyway, I'm more interested in making sure the extraction machines are energetically efficient | 00:30 |
| bkero | An air compressor without a tank just looks like a small motor. | 00:30 |
| fenn | i think messing with compressed air and co2 and tanks is way too high tech for growing algae on earth | 00:30 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: yep, that's what it looks like | 00:30 |
| fenn | i mean the stuff grows in ponds | 00:30 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 00:30 |
| bkero | There's no small metal tank beneath it? | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: we wnat more than the surface area | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: correct | 00:31 |
| bkero | You can pick one up at walmart for $20. | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | probably | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | bkero: this is already installed and working. | 00:31 |
| bkero | k | 00:31 |
| bkero | That motor probably isn't rated for 100% duty cycle though. :/ Most new ones aren't. | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | one sad thing about it though | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | is that the professor had to go to home depot or something | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | and buy a ton of valves, washers, screws and other random parts | 00:31 |
| fenn | dont buy a consumer air compressor, period | 00:32 |
| kanzure_ | since none of this has size markings on it and so on | 00:32 |
| kanzure_ | random trial and error | 00:32 |
| bkero | What's a consumer air compressor? | 00:32 |
| kanzure_ | off the shelf? | 00:32 |
| bkero | You mean one of those tiny pieces of shit that you plug into a cigarette lighter? | 00:32 |
| fenn | they are good for pumping up car tires and running your brad nailer | 00:32 |
| kanzure_ | ah, yeah, we're not using one of those | 00:32 |
| bkero | No dude. You would never EVER buy one of those. | 00:32 |
| fenn | not the cigarette lighter, the little pancake ones, or really anything you could buy at wal mart | 00:32 |
| fenn | an air compressor should at least run off 240V | 00:33 |
| bkero | http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90168 | 00:33 |
| fenn | this is the one i have: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93786 | 00:34 |
| bkero | When I get back to oregon, the first thing that I"m going to buy is an air compressor. | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | so soon I'll be writing some scripts to throw OpenFOAM together with some lipid extraction simulation stuffs | 00:34 |
| fenn | i think it might be a fun project to make one out of an old car engine | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | and I'm sure I'll yell at all of you for not doing it for me or something | 00:34 |
| fenn | or motorcycle engine | 00:35 |
| bkero | A gas motor? | 00:35 |
| fenn | diesel would be better | 00:35 |
| bkero | Just get an electric motor and AC compressor | 00:35 |
| fenn | AC = air conditioner? | 00:35 |
| bkero | Yes | 00:35 |
| bkero | Just the compressor | 00:35 |
| fenn | yeah, i'm concerned about heat build up though | 00:35 |
| bkero | You'll have more with a car/motorcycle motor. | 00:36 |
| fenn | but it has a radiator :) | 00:36 |
| bkero | That you're going to have to run air though | 00:36 |
| fenn | fan on the crankshaft | 00:36 |
| bkero | Jesus. You might as well run a car off of it then. | 00:36 |
| bkero | Mine involves no fluids. ;) | 00:36 |
| bkero | and is 90+% efficient. And can be quiet. | 00:37 |
| fenn | actually, you could fire some of the cylinders with gasoline to make it self powering | 00:37 |
| bkero | And definitely cheaper. | 00:37 |
| fenn | i like the air conditioner idea though, i've thought about adding an additional one to my car as an air compressor | 00:37 |
| fenn | comes with electric clutch even | 00:38 |
| bkero | air compressors have 7 cylinders in them | 00:38 |
| bkero | TBH though, if I were you I'd just get a belt-driven one like http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93785 and run it off your accessory belt. | 00:39 |
| fenn | nah too big | 00:39 |
| fenn | and you have to run it constantly | 00:39 |
| fenn | i'd want it to run with the engine at idle, if there's no clutch it has to work up to the motor redline without breaking | 00:40 |
| fenn | sort of conflicting requirements | 00:40 |
| bkero | http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=94724 looks pretty good for my home purposes. | 00:40 |
| fenn | but with a clutch you can disengage above a certain rpm | 00:40 |
| bkero | Just get a torque converter | 00:41 |
| bkero | That's how automatic cars idle. | 00:41 |
| fenn | why re-engineer all this when the AC compressor already has it? | 00:41 |
| kanzure_ | I am confused. | 00:41 |
| kanzure_ | redoing an engine or something? | 00:42 |
| fenn | portable air compressor built into the car engine | 00:42 |
| kanzure_ | to help with the cylinder explosiosn? | 00:42 |
| kanzure_ | *explosions | 00:42 |
| fenn | to run air tools and stuff | 00:42 |
| kanzure_ | with good air circulation or something? | 00:42 |
| kanzure_ | oh | 00:42 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 00:42 |
| bkero | Why not just get a 12v air compressor and keep it in your trunk? | 00:42 |
| fenn | because they suck | 00:42 |
| fenn | i want multiple kW of power | 00:43 |
| fenn | that's the point of air tools right? | 00:43 |
| * fenn makes grunting noises | 00:43 | |
| kanzure_ | Tim? | 00:43 |
| bkero | http://store.kryptonitecustomworks.com/vi45airco.html | 00:43 |
| bkero | 23 amps | 00:43 |
| kanzure_ | ugh | 00:45 |
| kanzure_ | so | 00:45 |
| kanzure_ | the dorm has us on a lighting schedule tonight | 00:45 |
| kanzure_ | "BEAT OU" because of the awesome game going on | 00:45 |
| bkero | Assholes | 00:45 |
| kanzure_ | evidently one of the eight monitors is causing me to be in violation of the complete darkness I'm supposed to be in | 00:45 |
| * fenn drools at http://www.tcservice.com/products.html | 00:46 | |
| fenn | kanzure_: the germans are bombing austin? | 00:46 |
| kanzure | what? | 00:46 |
| bkero | Oh god | 00:46 |
| bkero | I wants me some air tools. | 00:46 |
| fenn | i've got some busted electric chainsaws i want to convert to air | 00:51 |
| kanzure_ | How would that work? | 00:51 |
| fenn | replace the electric motor with an air motor | 00:51 |
| kanzure_ | You'd have some central source of compressed air maybe, either your motorcycle or your shop maybe, | 00:51 |
| kanzure_ | ah | 00:51 |
| kanzure_ | okay. | 00:51 |
| fenn | and run an air hose to the car | 00:51 |
| fenn | or the shop if it's feasible | 00:52 |
| fenn | air hose is surprisingly cheap from HF | 00:52 |
| fenn | you can even use garden hose | 00:52 |
| kanzure | http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4542 <-- pptx stuff | 00:52 |
| fenn | can't i juse email to google and do 'view as html'? | 00:53 |
| kanzure | dunno? | 00:53 |
| kanzure | please try | 00:53 |
| fenn | hmm i guess you can't attach a url | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | i'll be done in a few moments | 01:01 |
| kanzure_ | converting via zamzar.com | 01:01 |
| * fenn watches some MIT machine shop educational videos | 01:01 | |
| kanzure_ | linkage | 01:01 |
| kanzure_ | pic or didn't happen | 01:01 |
| fenn | http://techtv.mit.edu/file/743 or direct link to files: http://fennetic.net//pub/irc/mit_machine_shop | 01:02 |
| kanzure_ | your typical video rippage scripts? | 01:03 |
| fenn | it's blip.tv | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | ? should I know of blip.tv? | 01:03 |
| * fenn shrugs | 01:03 | |
| fenn | they offer the .wmv as a download, but then you have to click a bunch of stuff | 01:03 |
| fenn | wget -i urls | 01:03 |
| fenn | er, wget -i mit_machine_shop | 01:04 |
| kanzure | no such file http://fennetic.net//pub/irc/mit_machine_shop | 01:05 |
| * fenn smacks kanzure's browser | 01:06 | |
| kanzure | no no | 01:06 |
| kanzure | am wgetting | 01:06 |
| kanzure | anyway, I've fixed | 01:06 |
| fenn | you can't wget -i http://... | 01:06 |
| kanzure | k, got it | 01:07 |
| kanzure | 70 kbps | 01:07 |
| fenn | The attachment cannot be viewed as HTML. Download the attachment to view it in its original format. | 01:08 |
| kanzure_ | tis okay, am fixing | 01:08 |
| fenn | one might wonder why they would offer to view it in the first place | 01:08 |
| kanzure_ | hm, still haven't gotten an email from zamzar | 01:08 |
| kanzure_ | hrm, I hear a band | 01:09 |
| kanzure_ | never question the google! | 01:09 |
| fenn | sieg heil! | 01:09 |
| kanzure_ | translation? | 01:09 |
| kanzure_ | I'd do the translation myself, but my laptop is still having some difficulties | 01:10 |
| fenn | look it up | 01:10 |
| kanzure_ | blah | 01:10 |
| * kanzure_ hits his machines | 01:10 | |
| bkero | Fix them | 01:10 |
| kanzure_ | Am working on it. | 01:10 |
| fenn | Since Nazism argued that war was a way to determine the superior race and that Germans were that superior race, hailing war was to hail the struggle that would eliminate all others and establish, in a social Darwinist manner, the "New Order." | 01:11 |
| bkero | Meh. War isn't the way to determine the superior race. Eugenics is. | 01:12 |
| kanzure_ | please stop. | 01:12 |
| kanzure_ | The transhumanists have enough problems as it is. | 01:13 |
| bkero | Heh | 01:13 |
| kanzure_ | Half of them think they're going to exterminate the other half. | 01:13 |
| kanzure_ | The other half just sits there wondering WTF the other half is smoking. | 01:13 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html fights some of the eugenics bullshit. | 01:13 |
| fenn | and the other other half publishes press releases | 01:13 |
| kanzure_ | "No, let me repeat: I do _not_ want to kill you. Thank you." | 01:13 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 01:13 |
| fenn | i wonder if there's a way to get mplayer to pitch-shift the audio back to normal when playing video at 2x | 01:15 |
| kanzure_ | wonder why this conversion is taking so long. | 01:20 |
| bkero | ? | 01:20 |
| kanzure_ | trying to convert pptx to ppt | 01:20 |
| kanzure_ | those presentations | 01:21 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/presentations/ | 01:21 |
| bkero | Which one? | 01:21 |
| bkero | Wed3-... or Campbell... | 01:21 |
| kanzure_ | both | 01:21 |
| bkero | OOo doesn't open them? | 01:21 |
| kanzure_ | right | 01:22 |
| bkero | lol | 01:23 |
| bkero | It crashes oo2.4 | 01:23 |
| kanzure_ | xp_prg: could you save the files for us? | 01:26 |
| kanzure_ | since you were looking at them and all | 01:27 |
| kanzure_ | ppt would be ok, but not pptx | 01:27 |
| kanzure_ | yay I have the stupid files | 01:31 |
| kanzure_ | wtf | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | the download links to 0 KB files | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | argh | 01:33 |
| kanzure_ | Open XML File Format Converter ? | 01:40 |
| bkero | wtf | 01:42 |
| kanzure_ | Hey red1_ | 02:07 |
| -!- red1_ is now known as red1 | 02:07 | |
| red1 | sorry for the restart | 02:08 |
| kanzure_ | Are you on windows? | 02:11 |
| kanzure | http://odf-converter.sf.net | 02:36 |
| kanzure | http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator/download odf-converter-integrator_0.1.5-2_i386.deb | 02:47 |
| kanzure | http://katana.oooninja.com/f/software/odf-converter-integrator_0.1.5-2_i386.deb | 02:47 |
| bkero | Hmm | 02:49 |
| kanzure_ | gene: Can you open pptx files? | 03:47 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/presentations/ <-- Could you save these as ppt files, the older powerpoint versions? | 03:47 |
| gene | no | 03:47 |
| gene | I have open office not ewww... word | 03:47 |
| gene | why would you want to open up such evil format? | 03:49 |
| kanzure_ | Okay. | 03:50 |
| kanzure_ | odp files now exist | 03:50 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/presentations/ | 03:50 |
| kanzure_ | fenn, if you're interested enough, just be warned that the odp conversion sucks immensely | 03:50 |
| kanzure | Bonus points for anybody who can make a proper conversion. | 03:57 |
| gene | it has been said that every time you open up a pptx file, a penguin dies | 03:58 |
| ybit | heh | 04:02 |
| ybit | kanzure, woah. you are right. that is indeed a terrible conversion. maybe i can fix this tomorrow sometime | 04:03 |
| kanzure_ | so could I .. tomorrow though. :/ | 04:04 |
| willPow3r | did u get those files converted? | 04:09 |
| kanzure_ | not reallu | 04:09 |
| kanzure_ | really | 04:09 |
| ybit | bkero, do you have a homepage or a page listing your projects? | 04:10 |
| willPow3r | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/presentations <-- doesn't exist | 04:11 |
| kanzure_ | other link | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/presentations/ | 04:12 |
| willPow3r | you need them in ppt right? | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | yes please :) | 04:12 |
| kanzure_ | pre-2007 format | 04:12 |
| willPow3r | you have 20 KBps upload? | 04:14 |
| willPow3r | kanzure_, you're going to lose some functionality on these slides in a .ppt format rather than the .pptx | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | I should have something better than 20 kbps up | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | :/ | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | functionality loss is ok, but it should look good | 04:17 |
| kanzure_ | and not crap :( | 04:17 |
| willPow3r | it looks good. | 04:17 |
| willPow3r | you need all four files converted? or just the .pptx ones | 04:17 |
| kanzure_ | pptx | 04:18 |
| willPow3r | whats your email? | 04:18 |
| kanzure_ | kanzure@gmail.com | 04:19 |
| willPow3r | i'm getting about 22KBps d/load | 04:20 |
| willPow3r | kanzure_, had to send as 2 emails due to attachment size exceeding 10 MB | 04:25 |
| willPow3r | should be in your inbox shortly | 04:25 |
| kanzure | yay | 04:26 |
| kanzure | fenn, where's your ikiwiki link? | 04:29 |
| ybit | btw, i haven't mentioned this, i have full access to a junkyard which has a roughly a 13 acres lot | 04:32 |
| ybit | minus one "a" | 04:33 |
| ybit | haven't quite figured out what to do with the materials... in about 5 years, most of cars will have been crushed for $ | 04:35 |
| willPow3r | you could do some drug deals there | 04:37 |
| ybit | already did that, next? :) | 04:37 |
| willPow3r | hide dead bodies, open illegal chop shop | 04:38 |
| willPow3r | torture suspected terrorists | 04:38 |
| ybit | hehe | 04:39 |
| ybit | i'm sure the government has enough torture chambers for terrorists as it is | 04:39 |
| willPow3r | the gov't doesn't torture | 04:42 |
| willPow3r | ask them if you don't believe me | 04:42 |
| ybit | heh, you first | 04:47 |
| willPow3r | just sent an email to sarah palin's yahoo acct | 04:48 |
| ybit | subject? | 04:48 |
| * ybit gets modafinil/provigil within the week! :) | 04:48 | |
| willPow3r | are you getting it for adhd? | 04:48 |
| ybit | sure | 04:48 |
| ybit | i dunno | 04:48 |
| ybit | it's what i'm telling my parents it is for | 04:49 |
| ybit | it does help with that though | 04:49 |
| willPow3r | i've tried it | 04:49 |
| ybit | me too | 04:49 |
| willPow3r | you liked it? | 04:49 |
| ybit | yep | 04:49 |
| ybit | you? | 04:49 |
| willPow3r | nope | 04:49 |
| ybit | why? | 04:49 |
| fenn | buh.. what iki link | 04:49 |
| ybit | what do you like? | 04:49 |
| willPow3r | vyvanse | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | okay | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/presentations/ | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | ppt links now | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | willPow3r gets bonus points | 04:50 |
| willPow3r | provigil was extremely expensive | 04:50 |
| willPow3r | and not nearly as effective as stimulants | 04:50 |
| ybit | yeah, i couldn't afford it until just recently | 04:50 |
| willPow3r | at least for me | 04:50 |
| willPow3r | i think it was like, $750 for 30 or some crazy amount | 04:51 |
| ybit | i was a dumbass and bought some generic modafinil, but there's no way i can tell if that's what it actually is without access to proper lab equipment | 04:51 |
| ybit | here it's $375 for a month's worth | 04:52 |
| ybit | w/out insurance | 04:52 |
| fenn | that's like, my rent | 04:52 |
| fenn | i think that's more than most people spend on illegal drugs | 04:52 |
| willPow3r | yeah. the price we pay for normal cognitive functionality | 04:52 |
| ybit | so with insurance, it's about $40 for me | 04:52 |
| kanzure_ | I'm paying $12 a pill. | 04:53 |
| ybit | for modafinil? | 04:53 |
| kanzure_ | Adderall. | 04:53 |
| ybit | ah | 04:53 |
| kanzure_ | just re: fenn's comment on his rent | 04:53 |
| kanzure_ | so I'm spending about $720/mo | 04:53 |
| ybit | doc doesn't want me on those since he knows my drug history :| | 04:53 |
| * ybit should change docs | 04:53 | |
| willPow3r | why would you tell your doc your drug history?? | 04:53 |
| fenn | lol | 04:54 |
| willPow3r | i consider my past history nothing more than self medication | 04:54 |
| fenn | can't they get medical records anyway? | 04:54 |
| willPow3r | my doc would think otherwise ;) | 04:54 |
| ybit | i was depressed and not thinkng correctly | 04:54 |
| willPow3r | fenn, not without your permission. confidentiality | 04:54 |
| ybit | fenn: i was referring to un-prescribed drugs | 04:54 |
| ybit | non* w/e | 04:55 |
| fenn | proscribed drugs :) | 04:55 |
| ybit | :) | 04:55 |
| fenn | kanzure_: what would you say an average janitor makes per hour in austin? | 04:56 |
| kanzure | no clue whatsoever | 04:56 |
| ybit | my guess: $7.15 | 04:57 |
| ybit | or whatever min. wage is about to be | 04:57 |
| kanzure | fenn, couldn't you get yourself going for a master's somewhere? | 04:57 |
| kanzure | not that school is the best place for you of course | 04:57 |
| ybit | surely you could get a grant for master's | 04:57 |
| kanzure | but being a master's student forever might not be bad | 04:57 |
| kanzure | oh wait. | 04:57 |
| fenn | "40 hours/week @ 4.33 weeks per month" does anyone else see anything wrong with this equation? | 04:58 |
| willPow3r | nope | 04:58 |
| ybit | i do | 04:59 |
| ybit | if it's not what your area of study, ~20hrs/week is too much imo | 05:00 |
| fenn | i dont mind doing work, or earning crap pay.. it's the fact that it screws up the rest of my life for no particular reason just to make scheduling easier | 05:01 |
| ybit | fenn: why haven't you continued onto graduate school? | 05:01 |
| fenn | ybit: i've been waffling on that | 05:02 |
| ybit | why so? | 05:02 |
| fenn | sent a letter to gershenfeld, no response. i probably did something wrong | 05:02 |
| kanzure_ | waffling is a verb? | 05:02 |
| kanzure_ | this makes me so happy. | 05:02 |
| willPow3r | only if you take urban dictionary to be your grammatical standard | 05:02 |
| fenn | urban dictionary is THE grammatical standard | 05:03 |
| kanzure_ | works for me. | 05:03 |
| willPow3r | lol | 05:03 |
| fenn | only thumbs up entries of course | 05:03 |
| fenn | ybit: there's a lot of cool stuff going on at MIT media lab/cba that i could see myself doing.. the problem is weaseling my way into their culture enough to be noticed | 05:04 |
| fenn | they must make their bubbles out of ultra strength dish soap | 05:06 |
| ybit | fenn: you could try getting on with BU and then becoming friends with those at the media lab | 05:06 |
| ybit | heh | 05:06 |
| kanzure_ | that's what I was planning on doing | 05:06 |
| kanzure_ | BU, I mean | 05:06 |
| bkero | ybit: What? | 05:07 |
| ybit | i sent you a PM that explains whatever i was asking | 05:08 |
| bkero | Ah | 05:08 |
| ybit | just wanted to know what projects you had mentioned before since my logs are doomed | 05:08 |
| ybit | i remember something about an electric bike | 05:09 |
| bkero | ybit: I've done(and am still in the process of doing) an electric bike. I've converted a 1985 MR2 to electric. if I embelish a bit, I could say that I've built a plane(fiberglassed and fitted the panels to a Rutan Long-Ez), made biodiesel from algae. Am in the processes of doing some brain->computer interfaces, um, more... | 05:10 |
| fenn | bkero: i dont even know anyone who has any of those things in bloomington.. | 05:11 |
| * fenn mopes | 05:12 | |
| bkero | Nonsense, there's probably an EAA chapter in bloomington | 05:12 |
| bkero | Also the annual EAA meeting is IN indiana | 05:12 |
| bkero | Also there's the largest collection of PowerPC computers i Bloomington | 05:12 |
| fenn | i've seen paragliders by the highway | 05:12 |
| fenn | and the EAA meeting is in oshkosh, WI | 05:13 |
| bkero | Yea | 05:13 |
| bkero | Wait, which EAA? | 05:13 |
| bkero | I'm a member of both. :) | 05:13 |
| ybit | nothing too signficant but related to diy: http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-09-30_final_comments.asp | 05:13 |
| bkero | The Electric Auto Association, and the Experimental Aircraft Association | 05:13 |
| fenn | aw wtf were they thinking "electric auto association" | 05:14 |
| bkero | Why not? | 05:15 |
| fenn | because they both involve wingnuts building exotic vehicles? | 05:15 |
| * bkero must be a spuuer ultra wingnut. | 05:16 | |
| bkero | No, the best thing about oshkosh is that when people go there they HAVE to be good pilots. | 05:16 |
| bkero | If they're drunk they'd crash before they got there. | 05:16 |
| bkero | One year I hope to go. :) | 05:16 |
| ybit | no eaaev chapters in my state, hmm... that should be changed | 05:16 |
| bkero | Build an EV | 05:17 |
| fenn | i suppose now we need an "electric airplane association" just to piss everyone off | 05:17 |
| bkero | They're cheap(ish) and easy. | 05:17 |
| bkero | Bikes are really cheap :) | 05:17 |
| bkero | lol | 05:17 |
| bkero | Electric airplanes don't work very well. Batteries don't provide enough power density. | 05:17 |
| bkero | Believe me, I've seen attempts. | 05:17 |
| ybit | that would be fun | 05:18 |
| fenn | aluminum air batteries might work | 05:18 |
| ybit | (building an ev) | 05:18 |
| ybit | anyone care for brown university? | 05:18 |
| fenn | or if the EESTOR ever makes it to reality-land | 05:18 |
| bkero | I'd go with a sodium air battery personally | 05:19 |
| ybit | i'm highly considering attending for grad | 05:19 |
| bkero | Actually, ultra caps would be great for a takeoff | 05:19 |
| bkero | EESTOR? | 05:19 |
| ybit | http://gradschool.brown.edu/go/centers | 05:19 |
| fenn | you dont know about EESTOR? | 05:19 |
| ybit | not the traditional grading system either, thankfully | 05:20 |
| fenn | super purity barium titanate high voltage cap.. 35kV, and energy storage goes as the square of the voltage so you get (supposedly) 52kWh out of a 100lb capacitor the size of a shoebox | 05:20 |
| bkero | What's the disipation rate on that though? | 05:21 |
| fenn | = approximately a tankful of gas | 05:21 |
| fenn | charges as fast as you can pump current into it | 05:21 |
| bkero | Yes, I know | 05:22 |
| fenn | discharges just as fast :\ | 05:22 |
| bkero | hahahaa | 05:22 |
| bkero | Yea, that's the problem with caps. | 05:22 |
| fenn | dont stick your tongue on the terminals | 05:22 |
| fenn | they engineered it so it won't explode or anything if shorted | 05:22 |
| bkero | Heh | 05:22 |
| fenn | rather vague on the details though | 05:23 |
| bkero | I've yet to find a use for ultra caps, besides one. | 05:23 |
| bkero | They would be fucking MEAN in a dragster. | 05:23 |
| bkero | There's an electric vehicle division in the NHRA | 05:23 |
| fenn | um, 52kWh in 100lbs is pretty useful | 05:23 |
| bkero | For what? | 05:24 |
| fenn | even if it's at a silly voltage | 05:24 |
| fenn | for driving your car cross-country without refueling... | 05:24 |
| fenn | um, mega robots with lazers | 05:24 |
| fenn | yeah | 05:24 |
| bkero | uh | 05:25 |
| fenn | it can be divided into smaller chunks too | 05:25 |
| bkero | Remember the problem with disipation? | 05:25 |
| fenn | no, what problem? | 05:25 |
| fenn | self discharge? | 05:25 |
| bkero | Yes | 05:25 |
| fenn | apparently it's no big deal | 05:25 |
| fenn | about the same as lead acid | 05:25 |
| bkero | Really? I've heard them say 'no big deal', but when I confront them about it, they five me a figure in single digits of minutes for most charges | 05:26 |
| kanzure | willPow3r fails. openoffice doesn't open those ppt files. | 05:26 |
| willPow3r | i converted them w/ office 2007 | 05:27 |
| willPow3r | i don't fail, OOo does | 05:27 |
| bkero | Microsoft fails for broken shitty standards. | 05:28 |
| bkero | :s/standards/formats/ | 05:28 |
| willPow3r | they open fine in my OOo | 05:28 |
| fenn | WP says "A self-discharge rate of 0.1% per month" | 05:29 |
| fenn | this seems highly unlikely | 05:29 |
| bkero | Fuck | 05:30 |
| bkero | Woot has my TV | 05:30 |
| bkero | For $575 | 05:30 |
| ybit | $s/standards/formats/g ..no? :) [bkero] | 06:01 |
| ybit | :$ | 06:02 |
| kanzure | ? | 06:02 |
| ybit | ...right.. | 06:02 |
| ybit | was attempting to correct bkero, but failed due to a missing colon sign :) | 06:02 |
| bkero | I use :1,$s/a/b/g | 06:02 |
| ybit | that works | 06:03 |
| ybit | kanzure, who is marayad on the diybio mailing list? | 06:04 |
| kanzure | maradydd on irc. | 06:04 |
| kanzure | "Meredith L. Patterson" <clonearmy@gmail.com> | 06:05 |
| kanzure | apparently she's married to a guy that gave a couch to bram cohen. | 06:05 |
| kanzure | by 'gave' as in 'gave a place to sleep' | 06:05 |
| kanzure | dormbuddies | 06:06 |
| kanzure | dorm-mates? | 06:06 |
| kanzure | "What are the top manufacturing techniques for making physical objects now in practice?" | 06:08 |
| kanzure | "What are the top techniques in theory?" | 06:08 |
| kanzure | Nathan asks such impossible questions :/ | 06:08 |
| kanzure | any ideas on how one would go about answering those questions | 06:08 |
| kanzure | what does 'top' mean? what most people use? because usually what people actually use sucks or is behind the times | 06:09 |
| ybit | gn | 06:09 |
| kanzure | ? | 06:10 |
| kanzure | ybit: who are you talking to? | 06:10 |
| fenn | contrary to popular belief, there is such a thing as a stupid question | 06:11 |
| kanzure | but he wasn't talking to me really | 06:12 |
| kanzure | I guess he did say one thing to me | 06:12 |
| kanzure | unless I accidentally blocked bkero or something | 06:12 |
| kanzure | am I missing messages? | 06:12 |
| fenn | re "What are the top manufacturing techniques" | 06:12 |
| kanzure | djklkajsdl;jkfasdjkl;fadl;jka | 06:12 |
| kanzure | yes of course | 06:12 |
| fenn | gn = good night, just letting us know he went to bed | 06:13 |
| kanzure | I know the translation. | 06:13 |
| willPow3r_ | i dont see a problem with the question | 06:24 |
| willPow3r_ | about top manufacturing techniques | 06:24 |
| willPow3r_ | its kind of a general question | 06:24 |
| willPow3r_ | and has a lot to do with efficiency | 06:24 |
| kanzure_ | Eh? | 06:25 |
| kanzure_ | Manufacturing techniques, though, means what? | 06:25 |
| kanzure_ | The conversion of bits and bytes into other materials? | 06:25 |
| kanzure_ | Usually this is through electromechanical interfaces, if that's what he means. | 06:25 |
| * kanzure_ is being rather stubborn for some reason. Probably needs sleep. | 06:25 | |
| willPow3r_ | to me it sounds more like a question about process implementation | 06:26 |
| kanzure_ | In what sense? | 06:26 |
| willPow3r_ | like, "what is the most efficient method of producing a car in an assembly line" | 06:27 |
| bkero | Top manufacturing techniques? | 06:28 |
| bkero | kanzure_: Did you block me? | 06:28 |
| kanzure_ | No. | 06:28 |
| kanzure_ | Was just wondering if ybot was talking with you and I wasn't seeing it. | 06:29 |
| bkero | I think extrusion and molding are the top manufacturing techniques. :P | 06:29 |
| willPow3r_ | yes, but you need to talk about the top techniques of extrusion and molding. | 06:29 |
| willPow3r_ | if there's more than one way to do it, then there is a 'top' method | 06:30 |
| bkero | Extrusion is like taking a big shit, and molding is basically pissing in a cast, freezing the piss, and cracking the cast in half. | 06:30 |
| bkero | Then talk about casts versus plugs | 06:30 |
| fenn | injection molding/die casting is sorta halfway between the two | 06:33 |
| fenn | honestly i think it's a stupid question | 06:34 |
| fenn | you can't make extrusion dies without both casting and machining | 06:35 |
| fenn | i still havent gotten the email though | 06:35 |
| kanzure_ | private email | 06:36 |
| fenn | personally i think hand scraping is the top manufacturing technique :) | 06:38 |
| fenn | all the finest precision tools and instruments are made that way | 06:39 |
| fenn | or maybe lapping | 06:39 |
| fenn | same thing really | 06:39 |
| fenn | single crystal growth is pretty 'top dog' as well | 06:40 |
| fenn | ion beam welding/machining | 06:41 |
| fenn | atom holography, super dense matter created by relativistic shock waves from antimatter explosions | 06:45 |
| willPow3r_ | fenn, can you think of anything less trivial? | 07:20 |
| faceface | can anyone help me get at the streams of an RTSP server? aparently the linux RTSPlive modules don't support authentication, but the 'real' ones do | 07:25 |
| faceface | so I can play the stream in real (after authenticating) but not save it, else I fail to play it with mplayer | 07:26 |
| willPow3r_ | yuck, real | 07:26 |
| faceface | yeah | 07:26 |
| faceface | its recordings of a conference I attended | 07:26 |
| willPow3r_ | mplayerplug-in won't play it? | 07:26 |
| faceface | they give me '25 hours to view lectures at my leasure' - bastards | 07:26 |
| willPow3r_ | lol | 07:27 |
| willPow3r_ | whats the link | 07:27 |
| faceface | willPow3r_, I didn't check that specifically. I figure if mplayer can't, mplayerplug-in wont | 07:27 |
| faceface | its an issue of RTSP authentication | 07:27 |
| faceface | trying xvidcap, but its sub optimal | 07:27 |
| faceface | one moment | 07:28 |
| willPow3r_ | pastebin the webpage source | 07:28 |
| faceface | OK | 07:28 |
| faceface | wtf? Ctrl-U = This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them | 07:29 |
| faceface | The stream is here anyway http://leadingstrand.cshl.edu/2008/INFOUK/1.1.ram | 07:29 |
| faceface | willPow3r_ if you have real, you should be able to view it. Seems nothing else free works that I can find | 07:32 |
| willPow3r_ | have you tried VLC? | 07:33 |
| faceface | there was a nice command line thing that I found to capture the ouptut of any program ... i.e. you invoked "$ grabber super-secure-thing" and the 'grabber' app would suck the video card to capture all output | 07:33 |
| faceface | yes | 07:33 |
| faceface | willPow3r_, the #videolan people told me that "the RTSPlive modules don't support authentication" | 07:34 |
| willPow3r_ | hmm | 07:34 |
| willPow3r_ | you're obviously on linux, right? | 07:34 |
| faceface | yea | 07:34 |
| faceface | just playing with this http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/ to see if I can do this on an ignored desktop for example | 07:36 |
| faceface | seems like -- if the screen saver comes on, thats what you capture! | 07:36 |
| willPow3r_ | so everything out of the video card | 07:37 |
| willPow3r_ | pretty sweet | 07:37 |
| faceface | just a frame of your desktop | 07:37 |
| faceface | its nice, but I don't actually want to watch all the lectures again, just cap them | 07:37 |
| faceface | especially not at 1:1 speed | 07:37 |
| willPow3r_ | yea | 07:41 |
| willPow3r | http://www.videolan.org/doc/videolan-howto/en/ch03.html | 07:46 |
| faceface | willPow3r, you got that working? | 07:47 |
| faceface | http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89195 | 07:48 |
| faceface | when I try to put username:password into the url, I get cannot handle DESCRIBE response: RTSP/1.0 404 Not Found | 07:50 |
| faceface | (mplayer this is) | 07:50 |
| faceface | when I pass -user and -passwd I get librtsp: server responds: 'RTSP/1.0 401 Unauthorized' | 07:51 |
| * faceface starts to but live555 | 08:08 | |
| faceface | lets see... http://lists.live555.com/pipermail/live-devel/2008-October/009582.html | 08:23 |
| willPow3r | faceface, whats the url again? | 08:32 |
| faceface | me pains | 08:33 |
| faceface | rtsp://meetstream.cshl.edu:554/Secure/INFOUK/1.rm | 08:33 |
| faceface | I used a tool years ago that would run an application and capture its audio / video output to file | 08:34 |
| faceface | I forget the name thouhg | 08:34 |
| faceface | though | 08:34 |
| faceface | all I can find with google are screencasting tools | 08:34 |
| willPow3r | but because it requires authentication mplayer/xine wont work | 08:35 |
| faceface | yes | 08:35 |
| faceface | no | 08:35 |
| faceface | I mean, I can install real, and then run real through this 'grabber', and then go about my day | 08:36 |
| faceface | otherwise I need to find a box that no one will touch and use xvidcap (again with real) | 08:36 |
| faceface | willPow3r, because of the authentication I need to run the 'authentic' real software, but then I can still capture the video ... | 08:37 |
| faceface | just looking for a convenient way to do that... | 08:37 |
| willPow3r | right | 08:37 |
| faceface | Like I said, a while back I had a solution that was "$ grabber 'real rtsp://some.ram'" | 08:37 |
| faceface | worked nicely | 08:38 |
| faceface | else people just say 'use mplayer; | 08:39 |
| willPow3r | if it were only that easy | 08:39 |
| faceface | In theory it should be, if the authentication protocol was supported by live555 (hence the email) | 08:40 |
| faceface | or else its a solution for windows... | 08:41 |
| willPow3r | http://www.live555.com/mplayer | 08:43 |
| faceface | yup | 08:43 |
| willPow3r | read the section on streaming access-controlled rtsp | 08:43 |
| willPow3r | you already did? | 08:43 |
| faceface | yeah | 08:44 |
| faceface | I passed those options, and the error message changes when you get your user/pass correct, but no joy | 08:44 |
| faceface | see the post | 08:44 |
| faceface | http://lists.live555.com/pipermail/live-devel/2008-October/009582.html | 08:44 |
| willPow3r | what version of mplayer are you using? | 08:47 |
| faceface | at home I tried the svn version | 08:47 |
| faceface | yesterday | 08:47 |
| willPow3r | hmm | 08:48 |
| faceface | Just frantically googling for the app ... | 08:49 |
| willPow3r | faceface, realrekord? | 09:23 |
| faceface | willPow3r, looks promising | 09:24 |
| willPow3r | faceface, the video file is stored in a temp folder when using the helix player | 09:40 |
| willPow3r | just copy that file after its fully loaded to another location from the temp | 09:40 |
| faceface | willPow3r, no way?!?!? | 09:40 |
| willPow3r | on vista, can't imagine linux version would be any different | 09:41 |
| faceface | realrekord was not compiling + I think its only for audio.. | 09:41 |
| faceface | given that helix has source code available, it seems strange that authentication cannot be done properly by live555 | 09:43 |
| faceface | I hope this works... just intalling helix | 09:44 |
| willPow3r | its not an authentication issue | 09:45 |
| willPow3r | Received DESCRIBE response: RTSP/1.0 200 OK | 09:46 |
| willPow3r | that is the authentication successful line | 09:46 |
| willPow3r | k, i see the problem | 09:47 |
| willPow3r | Unable to create receiver for "video/X-PN-REALVIDEO" subsession: RTP | 09:47 |
| willPow3r | payload format unknown or not supported | 09:47 |
| faceface | any clue what that is? | 09:48 |
| willPow3r | there's a new extremely proprietary audio/video format being used by real that can't yet be converted | 09:49 |
| faceface | I see | 09:49 |
| willPow3r | can you view the video at all? | 09:49 |
| faceface | yes, it plays in real (once I log in) | 09:50 |
| willPow3r | what version? | 09:50 |
| faceface | 11.0.1.1056 (GOLD) | 09:50 |
| faceface | will it download while paused? | 09:51 |
| willPow3r | the new format came out a month ago | 09:51 |
| willPow3r | it should, yeah | 09:51 |
| faceface | trying one of the 'free' videos now (so as not to eat into my 25 hours) | 09:52 |
| faceface | where is the file downloaded? (on vista) | 09:52 |
| willPow3r | C:\Users\[user]\AppData\Roaming\Real\RealPlayer\Temp | 09:52 |
| willPow3r | its the .ivr file | 09:53 |
| faceface | find ./ -name "*.ivr" ... nothing (under the Real install dir) | 09:53 |
| faceface | willPow3r, wait now... you say that the .ivr is not convertable? | 09:54 |
| willPow3r | i'm checking on that right now | 09:54 |
| faceface | even if I can play it 'at my leasure' using helix, that would be better | 09:54 |
| willPow3r | well | 09:56 |
| willPow3r | even realplayer can't play it. | 09:56 |
| willPow3r | thats what i mean by "extremely proprietary" | 09:56 |
| faceface | oh... thats bad... must be DRMed | 09:56 |
| willPow3r | how many lectures are there? | 09:58 |
| faceface | about 25 ;-) | 10:01 |
| faceface | looks like I'm going to have to cap them | 10:01 |
| faceface | actually 50! I'll ball at them about the 25 hour limit, but I don't think I can get away with asking for more than another 24 | 10:03 |
| nsh | limit what? | 10:03 |
| faceface | I'm going through lsof to track down the tempoary file - I found realplay. 9304 dbolser 12u REG 253,0 86401793 4178073 /tmp/hx_tmpsb.dat (deleted) | 10:03 |
| faceface | nsh, limity silly idits | 10:03 |
| * nsh has no context | 10:03 | |
| faceface | I payed like several hundred dollars to attend a conf that was recorded | 10:03 |
| nsh | mmhmm | 10:04 |
| faceface | they have put up recordings DRM access restricted 25 hours viewing time per person | 10:04 |
| nsh | uh | 10:04 |
| nsh | that's retarded | 10:04 |
| faceface | also hard to rip! | 10:04 |
| faceface | hence my struggle against 'the man' | 10:04 |
| nsh | there needs to be a antihoarding internet taskforce | 10:04 |
| faceface | they haven't thought it through, but I don't have time to argue | 10:04 |
| nsh | that responds to gregarious infostingery | 10:04 |
| faceface | I just want to cap them and get them on youtube | 10:04 |
| willPow3r | its not DRM, because the files can be burned to cd then ripped | 10:04 |
| willPow3r | but you have to purchase the full version of real | 10:05 |
| willPow3r | or download it illegally | 10:05 |
| faceface | crazed | 10:05 |
| faceface | how do I get at /tmp/hx_tmpsb.dat (deleted) | 10:05 |
| willPow3r | you have to copy the file while the player is open | 10:06 |
| willPow3r | and playing the file | 10:06 |
| faceface | willPow3r, it is | 10:06 |
| faceface | I recon they delete the file but keep it locked | 10:06 |
| faceface | you can do this, for example if you have a perl script writing to some.file, half way through the run you can rename / move some.file and perl don't care | 10:06 |
| faceface | it just keeps on writing to the node | 10:07 |
| faceface | similarly if its deleted, ls won't show it up, but its there | 10:07 |
| faceface | that is the only file in "lsof | grep real" that hits /tmp | 10:08 |
| faceface | whats more is it is growing in size | 10:08 |
| willPow3r | right | 10:08 |
| faceface | (still (paused) streaming one of the freebies) | 10:08 |
| willPow3r | it should do that until the whole clip is cached | 10:08 |
| faceface | http://leadingstrand.cshl.edu/FAM.html | 10:08 |
| faceface | ls /tmp/hx_tmpsb.dat -> ls: /tmp/hx_tmpsb.dat: No such file or directory | 10:09 |
| willPow3r | i hope you're using sudo | 10:09 |
| faceface | yup | 10:09 |
| faceface | on the ls command or in general? | 10:09 |
| faceface | realplay. 9304 dbolser 12u REG 253,0 256153852 4178073 /tmp/hx_tmpsb.dat (deleted) | 10:09 |
| willPow3r | on ls | 10:09 |
| faceface | which number is hte inode? | 10:10 |
| faceface | I figure I can link it ? | 10:10 |
| faceface | sudo ls /tmp/hx_tmpsb.dat -> No such file or directory | 10:10 |
| * faceface braves ##linux again | 10:10 | |
| willPow3r | good luck | 10:11 |
| faceface | sleuthkit | 10:14 |
| willPow3r | hmm? | 10:17 |
| faceface | seems I can get at the 'deleted' file | 10:17 |
| faceface | sneeky of them to do that! | 10:18 |
| faceface | now I wonder if the next instance of real uses a different file | 10:18 |
| willPow3r | heh, yeah it is | 10:18 |
| willPow3r | you're in luck that the file is in .dat format | 10:19 |
| * faceface wonders if the extension lies | 10:19 | |
| faceface | we won't know until we can poke it | 10:19 |
| faceface | OK, its actually amazingly easy to get the file :D | 10:27 |
| faceface | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-lsof.html | 10:27 |
| faceface | Section "Recovering a deleted file" | 10:28 |
| faceface | now I have a 'data' file :( | 10:28 |
| willPow3r | k, so you saved the file | 10:28 |
| faceface | yeah | 10:28 |
| faceface | According to Real its an 'unknown file format' | 10:29 |
| willPow3r | fuck real | 10:29 |
| willPow3r | try it with mplayer | 10:29 |
| faceface | mplayer balks | 10:29 |
| faceface | LAVF_check: no clue about this gibberish! | 10:30 |
| faceface | http://pastebin.com/d41390f37 | 10:30 |
| willPow3r | lol | 10:33 |
| faceface | yeah... | 10:37 |
| faceface | pain... | 10:37 |
| faceface | I'll cap 2 a day... one during lunch and one when I go home | 10:38 |
| faceface | I don't have a spare box to cap them on | 10:38 |
| faceface | hopefully... must remember to disable screensaver! | 10:40 |
| willPow3r | heh | 10:40 |
| kanzure | is RSTP MMS? | 12:13 |
| -!- willPower__ is now known as willPow3r | 12:22 | |
| -!- red1_ is now known as red1 | 12:27 | |
| kanzure___ | One more time. An artifact has a child element called 'subfunction'. Each subfunction element has two properties, input and output artifacts. Each subfunction element has a child 'flow' element that has two properties, input and output flow. What I think is going on is that each 'subfunction' is a cross-section of the overall graph of the overall product. So methinks the inputartifact is supposed to be graphed, followed by the input flow | 16:47 |
| nsh | what are you talking about? | 16:49 |
| kanzure___ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/prettyrepo.zip the format of the silly XML files. | 16:52 |
| kanzure___ | it's not easy to figure out what it's meaning to say. | 16:52 |
| nsh | repo of what? | 16:59 |
| kanzure___ | http://graphml.graphdrawing.org/ | 17:02 |
| kanzure___ | repo of parts | 17:02 |
| kanzure___ | I feel ashamed to ask this, but does anybody recall which of the graphviz apps I want to build dia files? The graph visualization stuffs. | 17:04 |
| kanzure___ | was it 'dotty' ? or 'dot' ? 'lefty' also was in there somewhere once upon a time | 17:04 |
| kanzure___ | http://www.trustlet.org/wiki/DOT_format hrm | 17:05 |
| fenn | you can try all of them and see which you like best | 17:06 |
| fenn | they all take the same input, just a different arrangement algorithm | 17:07 |
| xp_prg2 | hi all! | 17:13 |
| kanzure___ | Hello. | 17:14 |
| bkero | Firefox is still rocking with 190 tabs :) | 17:18 |
| xp_prg2 | good job bkero! | 17:19 |
| bkero | One of which is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593271905 :( | 17:19 |
| bkero | kanzure___: What do you think of agalmics? | 17:31 |
| kanzure___ | the Niven essay? | 17:34 |
| bkero | Yes | 17:34 |
| kanzure___ | Or in general? | 17:34 |
| bkero | Well, I wasn't looking for a critique of the essay, more of your opinions on the theory. | 17:34 |
| -!- xp_prg2 is now known as xp_prg | 17:34 | |
| kanzure___ | Hrm. I'll have to review it to give it a good overview, actually | 17:34 |
| kanzure___ | It's been a while :) | 17:35 |
| bkero | http://www.openverse.com/~dtinker/agalmics.html | 17:35 |
| * kanzure___ smirks | 19:43 | |
| kanzure___ | hrm, this is taking longer than I was hoping :) | 19:44 |
| kanzure___ | ah, it's getting stuck at iroomba | 19:49 |
| * procto is in sf | 19:54 | |
| kanzure___ | procto: hit up maradydd | 19:55 |
| kanzure___ | actually | 19:55 |
| kanzure___ | crap | 19:55 |
| kanzure___ | big list of people to hit up :) | 19:56 |
| procto | haha | 19:56 |
| kanzure___ | how long? | 19:56 |
| procto | someone said something to me, but it was lost in the buffer | 19:56 |
| procto | before you, that is | 19:56 |
| kanzure___ | http://www.shareddesign.org/ | 19:59 |
| kanzure___ | fenn^ | 19:59 |
| kanzure___ | for bonus points I forwarded the emails to openmanufacturing | 20:08 |
| kanzure___ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/CFGs/ <--- PNGs :) | 20:09 |
| xp_prg | hi again :> | 20:11 |
| kanzure___ | xp_prg: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/CFGs/ just got done generating these | 20:12 |
| kanzure___ | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/ forwarded an email here re: http://shareddesign.org/ | 20:12 |
| * kanzure___ has to run :( | 20:12 | |
| xp_prg | wow what is that? | 20:12 |
| procto | seasteading conference tomorrow, woo | 20:23 |
| xp_prg | cool procto! | 20:53 |
| fenn | kanzure___: dot is so icky | 20:56 |
| fenn | it doesnt help that the data is fubared though | 21:02 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/camera.png | 21:02 |
| fenn | neato gives a much better idea of what is actually going on | 21:03 |
| fenn | even if you cant read all the labels | 21:03 |
| fenn | i guess it wasnt designed with degenerate graphs in mind | 21:03 |
| fenn | maybe you could use colors for the different flow types | 21:08 |
| fenn | fdp is not too bad either | 21:21 |
| fenn | gawd this is Open Source Initiative all over again: "Shared designs work best in areas where needs are diverse and pressing and where there is a relatively small opportunity for profit" | 21:34 |
| fenn | i want no less than complete world domination | 21:36 |
| fenn | not "you can share in your piddling little niche, but mess with our market and we'll kill you all" | 21:37 |
| xp_prg | fenn I don't understand the dot stuff he has generated, what is it, I am without a clue | 21:55 |
| fenn | some lame attempt at describing the functionality of each piece of a product like a camera or a pair of pliers | 21:56 |
| xp_prg | fenn no, kanzure dots | 21:56 |
| fenn | the dots are just a graphical representation of the functionality | 21:56 |
| xp_prg | can you please explain one to me? | 21:56 |
| fenn | dot is a graphing program | 21:57 |
| fenn | ok 1.dot is the one i've been looking at | 21:57 |
| xp_prg | ok explain it to me then :> | 21:57 |
| fenn | in the upper left you see "button" with {human energy, mechanical, solid} arrows going to it | 21:58 |
| fenn | because it takes a human to push on it | 21:58 |
| xp_prg | oh ok | 21:58 |
| fenn | and apparently that button pushes on the "upper lever spring" | 21:59 |
| fenn | or something like that | 21:59 |
| xp_prg | how does this help me do my project? | 21:59 |
| fenn | how should i know? | 21:59 |
| xp_prg | why has he generated these dot files? | 21:59 |
| xp_prg | why is the sky blue? | 22:00 |
| fenn | light scatters at a different angle depending on wavelength | 22:00 |
| xp_prg | right | 22:00 |
| fenn | i think he made the diagrams so people could understand what's in the database better than digging through raw XML | 22:01 |
| xp_prg | what database? | 22:02 |
| xp_prg | fenn? | 22:04 |
| fenn | the automated design lab repo | 22:04 |
| xp_prg | so this has nothing to do with biobricks? | 22:04 |
| fenn | do i have to drip feed you? | 22:04 |
| xp_prg | ya :( | 22:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: re: shareddesigns.org. Jon emailed Michel sometime yesterday I guess. I picked up a magazine my dad gave me today .. in the back there's this lengthy article about the open source prosthetics project people, third word begins Jon's name. | 22:26 |
| kanzure | freaky. | 22:26 |
| fenn | what magazine? | 22:27 |
| kanzure | apparently SciAm. | 22:28 |
| xp_prg | I wish they would make an opensource electrical car :> | 22:29 |
| kanzure | http://oscar.com/ | 22:29 |
| * fenn yawns | 22:29 | |
| xp_prg | is that a joke? | 22:29 |
| fenn | no just a bad url | 22:30 |
| fenn | http://www.theoscarproject.org/ | 22:30 |
| fenn | the latest design is actually pretty good | 22:31 |
| xp_prg | is it electrical? | 22:31 |
| fenn | it needs a fairing and brake lights though | 22:31 |
| fenn | yes it's electric | 22:31 |
| fenn | why would anyone design a direct drive gasoline car? | 22:32 |
| xp_prg | cuz they are stupid | 22:32 |
| fenn | i cant believe they still havent made a prototype | 22:33 |
| fenn | at least a scale model or something | 22:33 |
| kanzure | wtf | 22:33 |
| kanzure | they don't actually have anything? | 22:33 |
| fenn | these sorts of projects seem to mostly attract "design" students :( | 22:33 |
| xp_prg | what about the electrical engine is that opensourced as well? | 22:33 |
| fenn | no | 22:33 |
| xp_prg | lame | 22:34 |
| fenn | they dont even have any engineering docs up yet | 22:34 |
| xp_prg | and it has been 8 years? | 22:34 |
| fenn | yeah | 22:35 |
| fenn | if only we could harness the power of all that mouse clicking | 22:36 |
| fenn | each mouse click uselessly dissipates 0.1 joules of mechanical energy | 22:36 |
| xp_prg | heh | 22:37 |
| fenn | with my new patent pending Open Source mouse button generator kit, you can start saving the planet today! | 22:37 |
| kanzure | *click* | 22:37 |
| * xp_prg hugs fen | 22:37 | |
| fenn | energy accumulated to date: 0.1J | 22:37 |
| kanzure | re: melamine in the diybio mailing list, Wikipedia tells me that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Enhanced_Raman_Spectroscopy might be a good way to detect melamine, but I'm not sure about the actual physical setups of SERS equipment - does it follow the typical "use a CD and a cereal box, presto: instant spectroscopy" ? | 22:41 |
| kanzure | absorption spectra, at least | 22:41 |
| fenn | melamine? | 22:42 |
| fenn | is that some lipofuscin-y chemical? | 22:42 |
| fenn | oh the dog food thing | 22:43 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine ,3,5-Triazine-2,4,6-triamine | 22:43 |
| kanzure | 1,3,5 I mean | 22:43 |
| fenn | Melamine is combined with formaldehyde to produce melamine resin, a very durable thermosetting plastic | 22:44 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:44 |
| fenn | part of why i have a particle-board-free house | 22:44 |
| fenn | raman spectroscopy is pretty cool | 22:46 |
| kanzure_ | so a diybio.org person wants to do some biological method of detecting melamine | 22:47 |
| kanzure_ | and he needs it fast apparently :p | 22:47 |
| kanzure_ | but I don't think that's a really good way to do this | 22:47 |
| kanzure_ | unless there's some miracle bacteria already doing melamine detection | 22:47 |
| kanzure_ | I guess you'd check reactome or something to see if melamine fits into any of the known biochemical cascading catabolic networks | 22:48 |
| kanzure_ | anyway, CD + cereal box + light source might be more appropriate for easy detection of melamine | 22:48 |
| fenn | you could breed an aptamer maybe | 22:48 |
| kanzure_ | true that, I can imagine doing many experimental designs | 22:48 |
| kanzure_ | how much time would you want to spend making up new experiments and directed evolution cycles to get this though? | 22:49 |
| fenn | simple diffraction spectrometer probably isnt discriminatory enough.. | 22:49 |
| * kanzure_ would have to see some plots | 22:50 | |
| fenn | i mean you're probably doing absorption spectroscopy which often gets blurred together, especially with many different chemicals in the mix | 22:50 |
| kanzure_ | if there's something really close to melamine that's really important to have, then yeah, that would suck | 22:50 |
| fenn | Raman won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1930 for this discovery accomplished using sunlight, a narrow band photographic filter to create monochromatic light and a "crossed" filter to block this monochromatic light. He found that light of changed frequency passed through the "crossed" filter. | 22:55 |
| kanzure_ | :) | 22:55 |
| fenn | monochromatic light is easy to come by now with led's, so what's a crossed filter? just two polarizers 90 degrees apart? | 22:55 |
| kanzure_ | surely he got the prize for a paper? | 22:56 |
| fenn | science literature used to be a lot more straightforward :( | 22:56 |
| fenn | you said what you did, then what you saw, then you said what you think happened | 22:57 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhara_Venkata_Raman#Raman.27s_Scientific_Publications_.28A_select_list.29 | 22:57 |
| bkero | Sweeeeet | 22:57 |
| bkero | Just ordered a laptop | 22:57 |
| fenn | duuude | 22:57 |
| bkero | Duude is perfectly right | 22:57 |
| fenn | no wai | 22:57 |
| bkero | It's a dell | 22:57 |
| kanzure | "The Diffraction of Light by High Frequency Sound Waves: Part I", Proc. Indian Acad. Sci., 1935 (with N. S. Nagendra Nath) | 22:57 |
| kanzure | wtf | 22:57 |
| fenn | a dell? i have a dell too! | 22:57 |
| bkero | I hate dells | 22:58 |
| bkero | This is a mini inspiron 9 | 22:58 |
| bkero | Besides the keyboard and 4 cell battery it's excellent. | 22:58 |
| kanzure | Huh. No Raman paper. wtf? | 22:58 |
| bkero | $409 laptop for an atom, 1gb ram, 16gb hard drive, 8.9" 1024x600 screen. $380 | 22:58 |
| bkero | 7% student discount | 22:59 |
| fenn | i wonder if they will ever start selling mass-market laptops with ARM processors | 22:59 |
| bkero | I hope every day that they will. | 23:00 |
| bkero | But as of yet I've seen very little | 23:00 |
| kanzure | I wish Wikipedia would stop bullshitting me and just give me the original references to the original works | 23:00 |
| bkero | If they do, it'll be here | 23:00 |
| bkero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_netbooks | 23:00 |
| xp_prg | wow laptops are coming down in price! | 23:01 |
| kanzure | Hahahah. | 23:02 |
| kanzure | Yay nature. | 23:02 |
| fenn | gah what's with putting important data in background colors | 23:02 |
| fenn | like i dont know how to read or something? | 23:02 |
| * fenn fires up the pig so he can see colors | 23:03 | |
| kanzure | What the hell? Why don't I have the 1928 article? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | I Have "A New type of *" (everything else) except Raman's paper. | 23:04 |
| fenn | you have Proc. Indian Acad. Sci. from 1935? | 23:06 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/Raman_spectroscopy_1928.pdf | 23:06 |
| fenn | wow a real paper | 23:06 |
| fenn | i wonder if any academics realize what they are taking for granted | 23:07 |
| kanzure | what do you mean? | 23:07 |
| fenn | the fact that they can just look up any scientific paper and see how it was done | 23:08 |
| elias` | I'm thinking of getting thinkpad x40 for about ?100 (maybe +?40 if I need to replace battery) | 23:10 |
| elias` | it's +4cm and +5cm in width/height compared to typical netbooks, but otherwise maybe somewhat similar | 23:11 |
| fenn | that sounds rather inexpensive | 23:14 |
| * nsh decides at least 5 billion people need to die | 23:18 | |
| nsh | or at least, not reproduce | 23:19 |
| nsh | i've decided the voluntary human extinction movement | 23:19 |
| nsh | is for pussies | 23:19 |
| nsh | mandatory human extinction is where it's at | 23:20 |
| fenn | i think we already do that | 23:20 |
| kanzure_ | bad day at the office? | 23:20 |
| nsh | hm | 23:21 |
| nsh | [[[ | 23:22 |
| nsh | "The fate of our civilization, and maybe our species," says Ehrlich, "may be determined by the next five generations. So I don't really give a shit what's happening to our genetic evolution." The global climate is changing too violently for DNA to respond by fiddling around with heat regulation and hair thickness; forests everywhere are being clear-cut too quickly for their inhabitants to adjust, and so food chains are coming undone; | 23:22 |
| nsh | the collapse of global fisheries has been identified as an imminent calamity; and a nuclear disaster would constitute a catastrophe many orders of magnitude larger than what nature could readily absorb. If any of these nightmare scenarios comes to pass, Ehrlich fears, evolution will be unable to help us. It may be operating faster than we thought, but it's not that fast. Problems like smog and acid rain seem almost quaint, and even to be longed for. | 23:22 |
| nsh | ]]] --http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2008/10/how_we_evolve_1.php | 23:22 |
| kanzure_ | yawn. | 23:22 |
| kanzure_ | nsh: what gives | 23:22 |
| kanzure_ | we commonly deal with more higher-level concepts in here, such as ways to mutate the self and so on so as to avoid being dependent on that shit not happening, whatever | 23:23 |
| kanzure_ | lots of "etc" in there. | 23:23 |
| * nsh smiles plastically | 23:23 | |
| fenn | bleh, ehrlich | 23:23 |
| fenn | the eternal pessimist | 23:23 |
| nsh | pessimism and realism are often indistinguishable | 23:24 |
| fenn | except ehrlich is often wrong | 23:24 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon-Ehrlich_wager | 23:25 |
| * nsh nods | 23:25 | |
| nsh | there have always been people claiming the world is ending | 23:26 |
| kanzure_ | what does it mean for a world to end | 23:26 |
| nsh | ask the dinosaurs | 23:27 |
| kanzure_ | the planet is still here | 23:27 |
| nsh | it's a figurative expression | 23:27 |
| nsh | when you cease, the world ceases | 23:28 |
| nsh | out here is just a heuristic projection | 23:28 |
| fenn | "For some reason he could never comprehend, people were inclined to believe the very worst about anything and everything;" | 23:29 |
| fenn | i'd wager it's due to poor diet | 23:29 |
| fenn | not enough raw dark green leafy vegetables, too much cooked grains and starch | 23:30 |
| * nsh smiles | 23:33 | |
| kanzure_ | nsh: Too much assumption of identity. | 23:36 |
| kanzure_ | You're poisoning the caches. | 23:36 |
| kanzure_ | For the record, I'd rather not kill. | 23:36 |
| kanzure_ | "The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the galaxies, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet there remains time to create, to create and escape." | 23:38 |
| nsh | hmm | 23:41 |
| fenn | i want imaging spectrometer glasses | 23:42 |
| kanzure_ | Wouldn't you be squinting all the time? :) | 23:43 |
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