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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 02:54 |
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| Utopiah | kanzure: do you know if etacts will release their code? | 03:00 |
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| delinquentme | MOOOning | 03:25 |
| delinquentme | JayDugger, word to you! | 03:25 |
| JayDugger | Eh? | 03:26 |
| JayDugger | What's that? | 03:26 |
| JayDugger | You kids and your new-fangled slang... | 03:26 |
| JayDugger | I finally dropped thee and thou from my vocabulary, and know I have all this to learn? | 03:27 |
| JayDugger | Sigh... | 03:27 |
| JayDugger | Utopiah, kanzure mentioned Salesforce bought etacts. | 03:27 |
| JayDugger | If so, the code will probably never appear. | 03:28 |
| JayDugger | Building a delicious clone with a work-alike API would probably serve more people, given Yahoo's rumors about closing delicious. | 03:28 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: thanks, didn't follow up the whole story, I admit I didn't believe the code magically being released in GPL or sth but... still had hope :-# | 03:31 |
| JayDugger | How hard would it be to build an extension for FF to recreate these three things about etacts? | 03:32 |
| JayDugger | Not a rhetorical question--I don't know. | 03:32 |
| JayDugger | First, specify for each contact a "last contacted date" and a period within which to contact him. | 03:32 |
| JayDugger | Second, create boilerplate for groups of contacts and hook it into composing mail. | 03:33 |
| JayDugger | Third, support GMail and a web interface for other mail clients. | 03:34 |
| JayDugger | Did I miss anything that etacts did? | 03:34 |
| Utopiah | fetching other info from profiles like pics | 03:34 |
| Utopiah | http://www.intechweb.org/books/show/title/factory-automation | 03:54 |
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| kanzure | oh look the comment fairy came http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2036575 | 04:22 |
| JayDugger | Knouting the mortified equine? | 04:29 |
| delinquentme | Immm freakkkin ouuutt tmannnn!!! | 04:33 |
| delinquentme | i just found out about an awesome DIY bio lab .. but one thats legitimate | 04:33 |
| kanzure | genspace? biocurious? socal-diybio? /tmp/lab? biologigaragen? bosslab? london hackspace? | 04:34 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, whos the dude who sold the thermocycler who you dont like? | 04:35 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: if it's genspace, they've been in the news a lot recently.. if you want to read up: http://bit.ly/diybionews | 04:36 |
| kanzure | tito jankowski | 04:36 |
| kanzure | http://openpcr.org/ | 04:36 |
| delinquentme | nah one of the dudes names were guido | 04:36 |
| kanzure | better link with actual fucking files: http://abundancestudies.org/openpcr/ | 04:36 |
| kanzure | oh, that's lava amp | 04:36 |
| kanzure | http://lavaamp.wordpress.com/ | 04:37 |
| kanzure | http://pimm.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/lavaamp-cheapest-pocket-pcr-thermocycler-dreamed-for-diy-biologists/ | 04:37 |
| delinquentme | yeahh though who was the other guy | 04:37 |
| kanzure | they were basing their work off of http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/114229381/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 | 04:37 |
| kanzure | joseph jackson | 04:37 |
| kanzure | there's also a number of others involved: rob carlson, and that stem cell / immune system guy that i can't remember at the moment | 04:38 |
| delinquentme | rob carlson yeahhhh | 04:39 |
| kanzure | http://synthesis.cc/ | 04:39 |
| delinquentme | so hes got this posting about a legitimate LAB in someones garage he posted about .. and now im seeing pictures OF THAT LAB | 04:39 |
| kanzure | he's a douche. | 04:39 |
| kanzure | oh, that's livly.org | 04:39 |
| kanzure | http://livly.org/ | 04:39 |
| kanzure | unfortunately they have gone corporate | 04:39 |
| kanzure | after peter thiel dumped money into them | 04:39 |
| delinquentme | what are they researching? | 04:40 |
| kanzure | it was john schloendorn working with the magically-immune-to-cancer mice i think | 04:40 |
| delinquentme | yeahhh schloendorn ! | 04:40 |
| delinquentme | thoughts on him? | 04:41 |
| kanzure | more on this: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-06-22.log | 04:42 |
| kanzure | more juice: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-06-19.log | 04:42 |
| kanzure | i'm going back to sleep. | 04:44 |
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| epitron | hey kanzure | 06:01 |
| epitron | wouldn't now be a good time to drop the "roadmap" from the channel name? :) | 06:01 |
| epitron | seeing as everybody now has to join a new channel | 06:01 |
| epitron | and you've got a redirect | 06:01 |
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| joshcryer | I like #h+ | 06:06 |
| joshcryer | Unregistered too. | 06:06 |
| joshcryer | Also, kinda elite... | 06:06 |
| archels | Let | 06:08 |
| archels | Let's redirect the redirect! | 06:08 |
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| epitron | joshcryer: oh you can do that?! :D | 06:22 |
| epitron | so it could've been #h+roadmap the whole time as well? | 06:23 |
| epitron | man! | 06:23 |
| epitron | get #h+! | 06:23 |
| archels | Shouldn't that be ##h+ though? | 06:26 |
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| kanzure | it's so cute when you guys troll each other | 06:29 |
| uniqanomaly_ | http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-to-create-a-startup-country | 06:33 |
| kanzure | uniqanomaly_: http://seasteading.org/ | 06:34 |
| epitron | archels: exactly | 06:40 |
| epitron | kanzure: who's trolling whom? | 06:40 |
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| archels | epitron: I think he means `no'. | 06:57 |
| epitron | so it'll be ##humanityplusplanforthefutureofhumanityroadmap forever | 07:00 |
| joshcryer | oh well I'll give founder to kanzure if he ever wants it | 07:00 |
| uniqanomaly_ | kanzure: yeah i know its seastanding :P | 07:06 |
| epitron | -n | 07:07 |
| epitron | +e | 07:07 |
| kanzure | :( "plan for the future of humanity", look i didn't tell them to name themselves "humanity+ | 07:08 |
| kanzure | " | 07:08 |
| kanzure | that's their own bad idea | 07:08 |
| kanzure | "we're in the business of personalized enhancement.. oh i know! let's say we're impersonal!" | 07:09 |
| epitron | that's not what i was criticizing and you know it :) | 07:09 |
| epitron | i'm criticizing your ridiculously verbose channel name | 07:09 |
| kanzure | i need food. suggestions? | 07:10 |
| epitron | #h+ | 07:11 |
| kanzure | that's not food :( | 07:11 |
| epitron | uniqanomaly_: the legacy legal system is such a problem | 07:11 |
| epitron | uniqanomaly_: if you printed all the case law, it would be something like 3 cubic miles of paper | 07:12 |
| epitron | and yet "ignorance of the law is no excuse" | 07:12 |
| epitron | :) | 07:12 |
| epitron | you might like this -- http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2010/09/kling_on_knowle.html | 07:12 |
| epitron | it's about how the US government hasn't scaled over the last 200 years | 07:12 |
| epitron | and how, if you were to restructure it based on the original design, there would be ~ 250 states | 07:13 |
| uniqanomaly_ | yeah, and law is so f*****g arbitrary | 07:13 |
| epitron | currently, the power of each political is enormous | 07:13 |
| epitron | +seat | 07:13 |
| epitron | +position | 07:13 |
| JayDugger | kanzure: I eat a lot of spirulina and chlorella. | 07:13 |
| epitron | whatever | 07:13 |
| JayDugger | In fact, they account for most of protein intake. | 07:14 |
| epitron | "in the county where we live, Montgomery County, MD, where we have 9 county council members allocating a budget of $4.5 billion" | 07:14 |
| JayDugger | On the other hand, before I gave up sugar, my favorite breakfast was pumpkin pie and black coffeee. | 07:15 |
| epitron | "Very few people who could spend $500 million apiece a year consistently, and nobody's heard of these people" | 07:15 |
| uniqanomaly_ | haha | 07:15 |
| JayDugger | So I suggest microalgae or dessert. | 07:15 |
| epitron | "Incredible amount of power, very little checks and balances." | 07:15 |
| uniqanomaly_ | nice one | 07:15 |
| uniqanomaly_ | sooo true | 07:15 |
| uniqanomaly_ | http://neil.fraser.name/news/2010/12/23/ | 07:16 |
| uniqanomaly_ | police power abuse | 07:16 |
| uniqanomaly_ | same thing | 07:16 |
| epitron | the US' design was great... it just didn't scale :) | 07:16 |
| uniqanomaly_ | who will do anything to them? they have power of throwing you in jail | 07:16 |
| uniqanomaly_ | it's how they say it is | 07:16 |
| epitron | haha | 07:16 |
| kanzure | maybe this guy? http://web.archive.org/web/20080616222023/http://rationreality.com/2007/07/09/real-life-superheroes-the-other-side/ | 07:17 |
| epitron | i feel like being a police officer is like playing a video game like Mafia... where you're supposed to obey the law, but you just get SO BORED, and eventually start running people over | 07:17 |
| JayDugger | Ever known any cops IRL and first-hand, epitron? | 07:18 |
| epitron | nope | 07:18 |
| epitron | i know cops aren't all corrupt asshoesl | 07:18 |
| kanzure | this conversation is boring | 07:18 |
| JayDugger | Yup. | 07:18 |
| uniqanomaly_ | oh, I know, we need more Dexters | 07:19 |
| epitron | well, i figured it would evolve into brainstorming political structures | 07:19 |
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| uniqanomaly_ | that would solve everything | 07:19 |
| uniqanomaly_ | lol | 07:19 |
| epitron | see? | 07:19 |
| epitron | more dexters! that's an innovative idea! | 07:19 |
| uniqanomaly_ | :D | 07:19 |
| uniqanomaly_ | epitron: dexter like serial killer killing bad people lol | 07:19 |
| epitron | "this conversation is boring" is such an undiplomatic statement | 07:19 |
| epitron | some famous guy said something like, "the best political system is democracy tempered by assassination" | 07:20 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ;) | 07:20 |
| epitron | kanzure: you may find politics boring, but if you're not turned on to politics, politics will turn on you | 07:20 |
| kanzure | your implementation and strategy sucks, you're boring | 07:21 |
| kanzure | talk about something you're better at | 07:21 |
| epitron | o_O | 07:21 |
| epitron | what implementation? | 07:21 |
| uniqanomaly_ | epitron: just show off how many bad people you killed | 07:21 |
| uniqanomaly_ | lol | 07:21 |
| epitron | >_> | 07:22 |
| epitron | <_< | 07:22 |
| epitron | >_> | 07:22 |
| uniqanomaly_ | haha | 07:22 |
| uniqanomaly_ | :P | 07:22 |
| epitron | this channel is secure right? | 07:22 |
| uniqanomaly_ | not really | 07:22 |
| kanzure | check the /topic for logs | 07:22 |
| epitron | yeah i was joking | 07:22 |
| epitron | irc is the least secure thing ever | 07:23 |
| uniqanomaly_ | oh yeah lol | 07:24 |
| uniqanomaly_ | logs | 07:24 |
| uniqanomaly_ | we'll be all over the internet | 07:24 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ;f | 07:24 |
| uniqanomaly_ | just great | 07:24 |
| epitron | so kanzure, which political thinkers don't bore you | 07:24 |
| uniqanomaly_ | Obama | 07:24 |
| uniqanomaly_ | LOL | 07:24 |
| epitron | Osama | 07:24 |
| kanzure | i love how humanity+ keeps me out of the loop on these things | 07:25 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/tsnhplus | 07:25 |
| kanzure | in general i very much support the idea that patri promotes for experimental governance | 07:27 |
| uniqanomaly_ | yeah its great idea | 07:27 |
| epitron | who's patri | 07:28 |
| kanzure | (i don't particularly care for the seasteading institute's strategy so far, though.. seems to be "get lots of money and do nothing, oh hold a competition once in a while to make other people do work for us") | 07:28 |
| uniqanomaly_ | experiments extorts progress | 07:28 |
| uniqanomaly_ | extort | 07:28 |
| uniqanomaly_ | i was thinking about corporation in place of gov | 07:29 |
| epitron | is patri some seasteading guy? | 07:30 |
| uniqanomaly_ | total meritocracy | 07:30 |
| uniqanomaly_ | was also thinking* | 07:30 |
| uniqanomaly_ | democracy is overrated anyway | 07:30 |
| kanzure | epitron: patri friedman | 07:30 |
| uniqanomaly_ | 2 idiots have more votes than 1 thinking man | 07:31 |
| uniqanomaly_ | its insane | 07:31 |
| kanzure | heir of milton friedman | 07:31 |
| epitron | "He advocates rapid, incremental progress towards increasing human freedom by creating new countries that can experiment with alternative social structures." | 07:32 |
| kanzure | yes | 07:32 |
| epitron | that sounds like an expanded version of what the original design of the US was | 07:32 |
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| epitron | well, more granular | 07:32 |
| kanzure | epitron: i want debian-for-hardware and debian-for-your-own-damn-seaplatform | 07:32 |
| kanzure | in this case he is proposing seasteading because you can't really get land for this sort of thing | 07:32 |
| kanzure | so you can imagine where patri and i have intersected before | 07:33 |
| epitron | what if the US were to collapse into a Snow Crash like anarchy? :) | 07:33 |
| kanzure | it was fun following him after one of his talks at hplus summit 2009 :p | 07:33 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 07:33 |
| epitron | then you could get land | 07:33 |
| epitron | burbclaves | 07:33 |
| epitron | in ecosystems, new lifeforms systems after big collapses | 07:34 |
| epitron | +evolve | 07:34 |
| epitron | man, i'm still pissed off about that "you suck at thinking about politics" comment | 07:34 |
| epitron | you're a dick kanzure | 07:35 |
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| JayDugger | For last minute Newtonmas shopping, 23andMe still has its $159 sale until tomorrow. | 07:58 |
| kanzure | epitron: i'm also an ass | 08:02 |
| kanzure | alcor's new CEO is max more http://www.alcor.org/blog/?p=1473 | 08:02 |
| uniqanomaly_ | great example of basic law retardation, cryogenics facilities have to apply for cemetery status or sth like that right? | 08:08 |
| JayDugger | That might vary by state. | 08:09 |
| uniqanomaly_ | and that is just retarded | 08:09 |
| JayDugger | excuse me, jurisdiction. | 08:09 |
| uniqanomaly_ | yeah it does for sure | 08:09 |
| JayDugger | IIRC Alcor treats remains as medical donations. | 08:09 |
| JayDugger | Storage facilities, I don't know. Try alcor.org | 08:11 |
| kanzure | diygenomics makes another appearance http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v468/n7327_supp/full/468S21a.html | 08:11 |
| kanzure | (this time the context is nutrigenomics) | 08:12 |
| uniqanomaly_ | “Here we are in the twenty-first century and we don't have a definition of health other than 'the absence of disease',” says Siân Astley, a nutrition researcher at the Institute of Food Research, UK. “Health is about much more.” | 08:14 |
| uniqanomaly_ | great | 08:14 |
| archels | That sounds unlikely. Maybe he should actually review the literature. | 08:17 |
| uniqanomaly_ | archels: guy changes definition of 'health' | 08:19 |
| kanzure | documentary film about church's personal genome project http://thepersonalgenome.com/ | 08:24 |
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| kanzure | i think if patri was more serious he'd figure out how to support marcin or otherwise involve him somehow | 08:31 |
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| kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/alcor-life-extension-foundation-names-max-more-phd-as-chief-executive-officer | 08:39 |
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| uniqanomaly_ | http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nativity1hq.jpg | 12:09 |
| uniqanomaly_ | his majesty is born | 12:10 |
| uniqanomaly_ | haha | 12:10 |
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| kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421256045/diy-desktop-cnc-machine | 14:34 |
| kanzure | got funded :/ | 14:34 |
| kanzure | they asked for $15k and got $33k | 14:34 |
| kanzure | 21 backers at $500+ | 14:34 |
| kanzure | "chem lab equivalent of a hackerspace?" http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=45944&sid=8cd9aa03195b0b2d3defb6ff84ba4c60 | 14:36 |
| delinquentme | im erady to marry the blonde baddy chick from TRON | 15:18 |
| delinquentme | true story. | 15:18 |
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| ybit | kanzure: link to papers? | 16:09 |
| ybit | my hdd is dead is temporarliy | 16:09 |
| ybit | temporarily* | 16:09 |
| kanzure | http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ | 16:13 |
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| g4k | man | 20:54 |
| g4k | genspace makes me jealous | 20:54 |
| g4k | i love our little storage unit hackerspace | 20:55 |
| g4k | but it's no where near as organized or purposeful | 20:55 |
| kanzure | have you checked out bosslab? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.flickr.com/photos/macowell/4821488307/ | 21:12 |
| kanzure | "oh noes! a corner in a lab somewhere" but whatever | 21:13 |
| g4k | nice | 21:35 |
| kanzure | g4k: did you see the biocurious video? | 21:36 |
| kanzure | there's one up on http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1040581998/biocurious-a-hackerspace-for-biotech-the-community | 21:36 |
| kanzure | i forget the vimeo url | 21:36 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 21:36 | |
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