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| fenn | omg it uses eval() | 00:06 |
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| fenn | oh, btw i'm talking about http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/python-stl-model-loading-and-display-with-opengl.html?blogger=Oliver+Marks | 00:08 |
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| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/screenshot.png | 01:53 |
| fenn | ok so i just need to see if this works on gnusha now | 01:53 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 01:56 |
| fenn | hm, need python-opengl and probably pygame and osmesa | 01:56 |
| fenn | and imagemagick too. pleases and thanks yous | 02:01 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/stl_viewer.py | 02:01 |
| fenn | oh, pygame specifically depends on x11 | 02:04 |
| fenn | blah | 02:04 |
| fenn | also note that my crappy hack rotates in two axes :) | 02:05 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 02:39 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 02:51 |
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| ferrouswheel | kanzure - the full time workers are the 6 (soon 7) person group working in Hong Kong that I'm the team leader for. I relocated from New Zealand for it, even though the pay is relatively crappy. | 03:06 |
| ferrouswheel | 2 of them are from Xiamen. | 03:06 |
| Lukas_ | full time workers? | 03:12 |
| JayDugger | ferrouswheel, what project do you discuss? | 03:17 |
| ferrouswheel | JayDugger: project in Hong Kong using OpenCog to create intelligent game characters. | 03:23 |
| ferrouswheel | Lukas_: in that we get to spend all our time working on OpenCog and intelligent agents - for a long time we'd been only doing OpenCog stuff part time or in our own free time. | 03:25 |
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| Lukas_ | interesting | 03:25 |
| Lukas_ | How is it progressing? | 03:28 |
| ferrouswheel | we have a simple game world which we're building upon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SHQvw0j6Kk | 03:29 |
| ferrouswheel | but most of the work is focussed on the back end at the moment, since that's the core of our project (that video was the result of a single person working on it) | 03:30 |
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| kanzure | http://fennetic.net/irc/screenshot.png looks almost as bad as the povray output | 05:51 |
| kanzure | libosmesa6 is now installed | 05:52 |
| kanzure | why don't you have root or sudo | 05:52 |
| Lukas_ | Morning Kanzure | 05:59 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 07:22 |
| Lukas_ | Good morning | 07:33 |
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| kanzure | igniteamherst february 8th will have a talk on diybio called 'The past, present, and future of making stuff through biology' | 09:07 |
| Lukas_ | thanks | 09:09 |
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| Lukas_ | Kanzure, do you have a general price has to how much starting a DIYbio lab would cost (just equipment)? | 09:38 |
| kanzure | meh at most a few grand | 09:41 |
| Lukas_ | few: 2,5, 10? | 09:45 |
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| archels | Depends on what you would want to do, I guess? | 10:16 |
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| kanzure | thingiview.js http://replimat.com/thingiview/examples/ (uses three.js) | 10:24 |
| kanzure | is broken on my phone | 10:31 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 11:32 |
| kanzure | how about this? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov/dremelfuge.png | 11:32 |
| kanzure | letters are all flipped around incorrectly... | 11:32 |
| kanzure | the x-axis label is in the wrong spot, unless it's labeling the x-axis itself (which is red) | 11:36 |
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| kanzure | huh it occurs to me that the character 'z' is all wrong on thingiverse http://www.thingiverse.com/image:22440 | 12:34 |
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| kanzure | compare! | 12:55 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov/dremelfuge.png | 12:55 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov/dremelfuge2.png | 12:55 |
| kanzure | ughh | 13:09 |
| kanzure | kartik wants the grand prize to be for non-open source... ughh | 13:10 |
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| Lukas__ | Kartik? | 13:10 |
| kanzure | what's the point of requiring "monthly blogging of contestants' progress" if they are not required to publish schematics, source code, or other actually useful details? | 13:14 |
| kanzure | what's worse is that forrest higgs was the one suggesting this.. | 13:14 |
| Lukas__ | Did the contest already begin? | 13:25 |
| kanzure | Lukas__: has for a year.. | 13:39 |
| kanzure | fenn: my solution to the gada prize nonsense; an extra clause in the GPL license, or a secondary license to apply with it, for whether or not derivatives can be submitted to the gada prize, or if derivatives-with-prize-sharing are allowed, or what. | 13:39 |
| AlonzoTG | . | 13:43 |
| kanzure | I guess including a "no derivatives in the gada prize" would make it "not quite GPL" but after the prize is over, that extra license wouldn't matter | 13:51 |
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| kanzure | http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/58049-guys-i-need-your-help-exploring-plasmid-based-dna-mod-humans.html | 14:17 |
| kanzure | "Hey guys, I need a bit of help here. My friends and I are exploring a temporary genetic modification by introducing a plasmid into our cells ( I am currently unsure of whether or not we will be using an AAV vector)." | 14:17 |
| kanzure | "Should things go well, we will attempt to work towards a more permanent modification, though I am currently unsure of what form it will take." | 14:17 |
| kanzure | "Here is our main problem - the immune system. If we introduce the plasmid, and it makes its way into the nucleus, any protein it produces will be instantly zerged by the immune system, effectively killing us in the process or at best severely damaging our tissue. I'd like to avoid that happening." | 14:17 |
| kanzure | heh "Cause I mean, surely an educated biochemist would have better resources of information than a fairly low population gaming forum." | 14:18 |
| Lukas__ | XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD | 14:19 |
| Lukas__ | 20+ rep points for finding that | 14:19 |
| Lukas__ | (I was hoping you wouldn't) | 14:19 |
| kanzure | I SEE EVERYTHING incl. my ass | 14:20 |
| QuantumG | hard to miss it | 14:20 |
| Lukas__ | *FACEPALM* | 14:21 |
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| Lukas__ | Anyway, in the issuing shit storm I managed to get someone interested in DIYbio | 14:22 |
| Lukas__ | which was worth it IMO | 14:22 |
| kanzure | ensuing | 14:23 |
| Lukas__ | ensuing | 14:25 |
| Lukas__ | thank you | 14:25 |
| Lukas__ | I need to get off the computer and actually write something with my hands | 14:25 |
| kanzure | eh.. http://f.cl.ly/items/1g1q1D3T3h0i0u3n332X/grinder2-01.png | 14:27 |
| Lukas__ | yup, what about it? | 14:28 |
| kanzure | conspiracy theories are way overblown | 14:29 |
| Lukas__ | conspiracy theories? | 14:30 |
| kanzure | on "khannea suntzu"'s blog she lists faye kane next to eliezer yudkowsky and ben goertzel.. nice? | 14:58 |
| Lukas__ | What did you mean by conspiracy theories? | 14:59 |
| kanzure | it's not a conversation if i have to have both sides of it | 14:59 |
| kanzure | the "mythical eye".. way overplayed | 15:00 |
| Lukas__ | I think they were just going for a cool factor | 15:01 |
| Lukas__ | Do you suggest something else? | 15:06 |
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| kanzure | ha the biohack.me people are super-defensive "Well, we don't want to use any other community because I put a lot of time into this one, so we're not about to let you poach this." oh please.. | 15:10 |
| kanzure | i don't need this bullshit drama | 15:10 |
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| kanzure | lichen: i just got a super-drama-inducing email from the biohack.me person.. | 15:13 |
| kanzure | On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Sovereign Bleak <sovereign.bleak@biohack.me> wrote: | 15:14 |
| kanzure | > Thanks Bryan, we dig you! Stop by the forums and say hello. | 15:14 |
| kanzure | me: no i refuse to use yet another silo. Please join the broader community. | 15:14 |
| kanzure | sovereignbleak: "Bullshit. A broader community is not an IRC channel and repo with zero media attention. I worked hard to put us where we are and you're not about to poach us with false overtures of kindness." | 15:14 |
| kanzure | me: "Oh please. An IRC channel isn't the broader community, and I was never claiming otherwise." | 15:14 |
| kanzure | didn't know how to write a better response | 15:14 |
| Lukas__ | O.O | 15:14 |
| Lukas__ | are you kidding me? | 15:14 |
| kanzure | i'd like to minimize the drama so i'm just going to say i don't care | 15:15 |
| Lukas__ | err | 15:15 |
| Lukas__ | this will be take care of | 15:15 |
| Lukas__ | taken* | 15:16 |
| lichen | kanzure: wat | 15:18 |
| lichen | kanzure: ill see what i can do | 15:25 |
| lichen | infighting is fucking dumb | 15:25 |
| lichen | but i also dont think shutting down biohack.me is the answer | 15:25 |
| kanzure | i didn't suggest that | 15:25 |
| lichen | k | 15:26 |
| kanzure | but creating new silos isn't particularly cool.. why not join diybio? | 15:26 |
| lichen | silo? | 15:27 |
| Lukas__ | separate, isolated groups | 15:31 |
| lichen | ah | 15:31 |
| lichen | i dont think any of this should be isolated | 15:31 |
| Lukas__ | Neither do I | 15:31 |
| lichen | biohack.me just hasnt really been assimilated into the rest of the community since its largely a bunch of people who found each other without any knowledge of the rest of the community | 15:31 |
| kanzure | exactly | 15:32 |
| Lukas__ | sounds about right | 15:32 |
| lichen | i dont really see sovereign doing much to help join the community with the larger activities going on | 15:32 |
| lichen | im not sure he realizes things have been going on prior to biohack.me | 15:33 |
| * lichen shrugs | 15:33 | |
| kanzure | sounds like a reasonable assessment to me (including the shrug) | 15:33 |
| lichen | in either case, the irc channel i'm running isn't directly associated with that site, and isn't meant to be a replacement or in competition to the existing areas of discussion | 15:33 |
| lichen | it's just a much more laid back place to talk than here, i guess | 15:33 |
| lichen | from my idling | 15:33 |
| lichen | i'll stick around here but i don't have much to add usually | 15:34 |
| Lukas__ | I believe there is some value of maintaining biohack.me - there is nothing wrong with the some 'friendly competition' ( but the shit talking needs to go) | 15:36 |
| lichen | yeah | 15:36 |
| lichen | if everything gets tied into the same websites/framework/community then it gets a little bit too incestual | 15:36 |
| Lukas__ | yea | 15:37 |
| strages | there's nothing wrong with there being multiple communities, especially if they're all open. cross pollinated and make new things | 15:37 |
| lichen | yeah | 15:37 |
| Lukas__ | yup | 15:37 |
| lichen | thus why i'm keeping #biohack open | 15:38 |
| lichen | despite other irc channels being around | 15:38 |
| strages | having a non-ditributed community only brings about stagnation | 15:38 |
| Lukas__ | again, agreed | 15:38 |
| strages | I'm just offering constructive thoughts | 15:39 |
| Lukas__ | sorry, I didn't intend to say you weren't | 15:39 |
| Lukas__ | I am just glad we are thinking along the same lines | 15:40 |
| strages | no worries | 15:40 |
| Lukas__ | there needs to be a little more competition IMO, the open source is excellent for creating different forms of the same tech (since people can freely tinker), but I think a little 'racing' will get more people moving | 15:41 |
| lichen | from what i'm seeing | 15:41 |
| lichen | #biohack and biohack.me are built more about the low-tech (grinding) end of transhumanism | 15:41 |
| lichen | this one seems to be a lot more involved | 15:42 |
| strages | where is #biohack? | 15:42 |
| lichen | irc.wutnet.net | 15:42 |
| strages | k | 15:42 |
| lichen | i made it like... a week and a half ago | 15:43 |
| lichen | the channel, that is | 15:43 |
| strages | why that network? | 15:43 |
| lichen | because i'm a services operator on it | 15:43 |
| strages | k | 15:43 |
| lichen | and my friend owns the network | 15:43 |
| Lukas__ | that makes sense | 15:43 |
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| Lukas__ | Lichen, what is your name at biohack.me? | 15:48 |
| lichen | lichen | 15:49 |
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| Lukas__ | I sent you a pm | 15:52 |
| lichen | you know you could have just pmed me here | 15:52 |
| Lukas__ | ... | 15:54 |
| Lukas__ | as you can see, I am a newb | 15:54 |
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| kanzure | fenn: you have sudo now | 16:31 |
| kanzure | does openscad do headless yet? | 16:31 |
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| kanzure | hrm that's not good | 17:39 |
| kanzure | why would the tree be different? | 17:39 |
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| kanzure | hi SovereignBleak | 19:58 |
| kanzure | SovereignBleak: have you been to biologigaragen or the other hackerspace in your area? | 19:59 |
| SovereignBleak | kanzure: I haven't, no. Are we cool man? | 20:06 |
| kanzure | if you're going to attack me, no | 20:07 |
| kanzure | otherwise sure | 20:08 |
| SovereignBleak | I hope not. Just got a little thrown off by the email is all. | 20:08 |
| kanzure | SovereignBleak: lichen made some comments in the backlog http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-23.log | 20:10 |
| lichen | we've already discussed it | 20:11 |
| kanzure | well, good work then | 20:12 |
| SovereignBleak | kanzure: Okay, read through. I think lichen's last comments in the log covers it. We're definitely more about the low-tech, right-now-what-can-we-shove-into-ourselves stuff. I have no problem with cross pollination and I don't think there needs to be. I'd rather not have us brushed off as "another silo" not worth anyone's attention however. | 20:14 |
| kanzure | diybio is also about low-tech | 20:15 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 20:15 |
| kanzure | http://bit.ly/diybionews ("no publicity" what?) | 20:15 |
| SovereignBleak | kanzure: I'm not really seeing the stuff we're working on in there. Many of us are total amateurs getting by on whatever we can scrounge and I think we serve that appeal. Lepht's a strong example of that ethic. | 20:17 |
| kanzure | diybio is like that too, except with some caution and anesthetic | 20:18 |
| kanzure | i think you're just posturing | 20:18 |
| SovereignBleak | kanzure: To me, that kind of language is super inflammatory. Let's be respectful here. I don't think that's fair to say. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | "many of us are total amateurs" implying that everyone else is not? come on.. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | flattering but strange | 20:20 |
| kanzure | was the anesthetic comment unfair? | 20:20 |
| SovereignBleak | No, the posturing comment. kanzure, I think the only way we're going to get out of this without inflaming this is to agree-to-disagree. I don't want us to be enemies. | 20:22 |
| kanzure | so you're disagreeing that diy bio/diybiohacking is amateur biohacking? | 20:23 |
| lichen | i think what SovereignBleak is saying | 20:24 |
| lichen | is that the community of biohack.me is closer related to body modding and piercing | 20:24 |
| lichen | than low budget hard science | 20:24 |
| SovereignBleak | I'd be inclined to agree. | 20:24 |
| lichen | not that there's no overlap | 20:25 |
| lichen | just a tendency of the community | 20:25 |
| kanzure | i see. | 20:25 |
| SovereignBleak | Okay, 5:30am, I have got to get some sleep. I love that anyone out there is doing the stuff we're doing and I think if we can avoid any shit talking (don't follow my example) we'll both do just fine. | 20:30 |
| kanzure | ok | 20:31 |
| kanzure | night | 20:31 |
| SovereignBleak | Goodnight. | 20:31 |
| * kanzure added http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/george-whitesides-a-lab-the-size-of-a-postage-stamp | 20:31 | |
| lichen | why'd you dcc me sov | 20:33 |
| SovereignBleak | Wanted to thank you for helping us come to a resolution. Okay, that's the last line I'll write for the night. | 20:35 |
| lichen | ok | 20:35 |
| lichen | good night sov | 20:35 |
| SovereignBleak | Night. | 20:35 |
| fenn | why is it called "grinding"? is it actually called that? does anyone self-identify as a grinder? | 20:42 |
| kanzure | http://grinding.be/ | 20:44 |
| fenn | that's just a tech/transhumanist blog with occasional body mod articles | 20:44 |
| kanzure | lichen: ping | 20:44 |
| lichen | pong | 20:44 |
| kanzure | yay the pingcon works maybe you know the answer for fenn | 20:45 |
| lichen | its from the comic dr. sleepless i think | 20:45 |
| lichen | there's a group of people called the grinders | 20:45 |
| kanzure | doktor sleepless | 20:45 |
| lichen | who are body modders | 20:45 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doktor_Sleepless | 20:45 |
| lichen | so grinding was picked up as a term for diy transhumanism | 20:45 |
| lichen | ive never read the comicf | 20:46 |
| lichen | i like the term though | 20:46 |
| fenn | why are they called grinders? | 20:46 |
| lichen | >ive never read the comic | 20:46 |
| fenn | it makes me think of repetitive video games | 20:46 |
| ybit | sí | 20:46 |
| ybit | same here | 20:47 |
| lichen | yeah i dont play mmos | 20:48 |
| fenn | "By the eighth issue, he has claimed that the world is merely a source of food for a race of tenth-dimensional animals (based on the Cthulhu Mythos stories) that feed on souls and live in a realm similar to Heaven; he claims these creatures killed his parents and that while he originally wanted to organise people against these creatures, he now just wants to kill the whole world to spite the monsters by starving them." | 20:48 |
| kanzure | urghh i'm going to have to recompile openscad aren't i | 20:51 |
| kanzure | this is stupid | 20:51 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you have anything on the gibson method offhand? | 20:52 |
| delinquentme | as related to PCR / thermocycling | 20:52 |
| kanzure | for ligating dna? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | http://2010.igem.org/Team:Cambridge/Gibson/Protocol | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | haha amazing | 20:54 |
| fenn | based on various conversations i've overheard, there's a lot of picky little things that can go wrong that aren't in that protocol | 20:55 |
| kanzure | like any other protocol? | 20:56 |
| fenn | apparently the master mix is very sensitive to tiny changes in concentration | 20:56 |
| fenn | so you have to make a huge batch of it | 20:56 |
| fenn | (which gets expensive quick) | 20:56 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: is there a headless openscad? | 20:58 |
| fenn | it's probably worth getting someone to download the original paper http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v6/n5/full/nmeth.1318.html | 20:58 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/venter/Enzymatic%20assembly%20of%20DNA%20molecules%20up%20to%20several%20hundred%20kilobases.pdf | 20:59 |
| kanzure | there. | 20:59 |
| kanzure | on another note, that's not venter is it? | 20:59 |
| kanzure | iirc gibson works for venter? | 20:59 |
| kanzure | oh venter is listed as a coauthor in the middle | 20:59 |
| delinquentme | thats the way it looks from the paper | 21:01 |
| delinquentme | gibson is @ the jcraig venter institute | 21:01 |
| delinquentme | damn thermo fisher is a big player in the research market huh | 21:05 |
| kanzure | and sigma-aldrich, merk, carolina biosciences, etc. | 21:06 |
| kanzure | why does openscad depend on libglu1-xorg | 21:08 |
| delinquentme | merck no? | 21:08 |
| kanzure | merck | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | theres a TF building here in pitt .. walk past it quite often .. lovely place .. and would be wild to work there | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | but i dont think they're looking for someone to stir things up | 21:10 |
| delinquentme | id imagine very much so .. standardized operations | 21:10 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: do you have any suggestions for how i should deal with openscad? | 21:28 |
| kanzure | it is heavily dependent on qt4 and other gui madness | 21:28 |
| kanzure | should i break down and install xorg on gnusha? :/ or fail to support openscad files | 21:28 |
| kanzure | i'm inclined to not support .scad in spite | 21:28 |
| fenn | today's fun phyics fact: the planck mass expressed as energy is equivalent to 15 gallons of gasoline | 21:33 |
| kanzure | peak planck? | 21:34 |
| kanzure | you read it here first | 21:35 |
| kanzure | 10^70 years before anyone else | 21:35 |
| fenn | eventually we're going to run out of mass to fuse | 21:37 |
| fenn | after accellerating a significant fraction of the universe back towards the center, of course | 21:37 |
| kanzure | should i make an extra effort (right now) to support openscad? | 21:41 |
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| kanzure | fascinating.. i think all of my iges2png and step2png scripts require xorg | 22:02 |
| kanzure | i don't want to encourage users to be committing stl files | 22:02 |
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