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| @kanzure | paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.6780v1 | 00:04 |
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| @kanzure | .title | 00:04 |
| yoleaux | [1304.6780v1] Practices in source code sharing in astrophysics | 00:04 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Practices%20in%20source%20code%20sharing%20in%20astrophysics.pdf | 00:04 |
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| @kanzure | oh right | 00:04 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11207-013-0286-8 | 01:44 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/441897c27f230ab55b0c48bc94fb1ab.txt | 01:44 |
| @kanzure | why oh why is paperbot failing more often. | 01:45 |
| ThomasEgi | paywalls getting higher? | 01:49 |
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| nmz787 | i have access to that paper | 02:02 |
| archels` | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs11207-013-0286-8.pdf | 02:03 |
| paperbot | no translator available, raw dump: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a53e1a93963beb41463895c6561ac517.txt | 02:03 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/Chromospheric%20Sunspot%20Oscillations%20in%20H%ce%b1%20and%20Ca%20II%208542%20%c3%85.pdf | 02:04 |
| nmz787 | 2 - 3 min delay because this isn't automated/assisted in some way | 02:04 |
| superkuh | Thank you. | 02:04 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i'm just ssh-ing these over | 02:05 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is there a way to do that via js? | 02:05 |
| nmz787 | or can you help me run an upload server and the accompanying bookmarklet to upload with? | 02:06 |
| @kanzure | you can do an XHR HTTP PUT from javascript | 02:06 |
| @kanzure | if you have a specific upload server in mind then i'll take a look at it to see if it's safe to run, sure.. | 02:07 |
| nmz787 | well like i said, currently i'm just scp-ing these paperbot failures to the same server paperbot is on | 02:08 |
| @kanzure | simplest way would be to add some wsgi python application to your user account via .htaccess or something | 02:09 |
| nmz787 | so that's the target in this case | 02:09 |
| @kanzure | and then tack on user authentication with a password or something | 02:09 |
| nmz787 | flask based? | 02:09 |
| @kanzure | sure why not | 02:09 |
| nmz787 | or what is wsgi in your case? | 02:10 |
| @kanzure | the vserver is serving up web pages with apache so it would involve mod_wsgi | 02:10 |
| @kanzure | i am currently sleeping but i am sure that joey would love to be bugged to do apache things at 4am | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | 4am | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | psh | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | 2:11 | 02:11 |
| nmz787 | if you lived here you'd have more time to program tonight | 02:12 |
| @kanzure | nope i spend all of my midnight hours complaining about phantomjs | 02:12 |
| @kanzure | it is a very strict schedule | 02:12 |
| @kanzure | 12-1 is scheduled for complaining about callbacks | 02:12 |
| @kanzure | 1-3am complaining about commonjs/require/assholes overriding require | 02:13 |
| @kanzure | 4am is spent resolving existential crises brought about by javascrpt | 02:13 |
| @kanzure | +i | 02:13 |
| nmz787 | well i actually did some physicalwork earlier so i am tired too, guess i have no reason to stay awake | 02:14 |
| nmz787 | oOps | 02:15 |
| nmz787 | can you apt-get install python-flask? | 02:15 |
| nmz787 | on gnusha | 02:15 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: beat ya by downloading the libs myself http://diyhpl.us:5000/ | 02:28 |
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| ParahSailin | wow, iontorrent did not give root on the proton one server | 10:01 |
| @kanzure | those bastards | 10:14 |
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| @kanzure | nmz787: lots of people do random port scanning of that server, so that needs to be really secure. | 10:35 |
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| @kanzure | extropy-chat mailing list archives going back to pre-2000 http://extropians.weidai.com/ | 12:18 |
| @kanzure | hahah | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | "10% of the book figuring out Tamara was a simulacra built out of Danlo's memories? I thought that guy proved theorems and shit? Holy shit, really, why couldn't Hanuman li Tosh be in this one too? He was the ONLY likeable character in the series! At least Nikolos Daru Ede doesn't put a pause in every sentence he says. Honestly, all that comes out of Danlo's mouth is "But, truly... To live, life itself... The shimmering interconn...ectedness. ... | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | ... Yes?". Christ, is the cerebral callus getting in the way of the aneurysm again?" | 12:20 |
| @kanzure | "I seriously hope Hanuman shows the fuck up in the last book or I'm back to Greg Egan." | 12:20 |
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| eudoxia | i'm glad you like my comedy kanzure | 12:24 |
| @kanzure | anyway yes he shows up in the last book | 12:24 |
| eudoxia | i know, i read it month ago :P | 12:25 |
| eudoxia | i should update that part | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | i was just remembering how much i hate most fiction and how disappointing it all is | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | neverness has ftl which is inexcusable. | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | and charlie stross is just trying to show off how many words he knows (or something) | 12:26 |
| @kanzure | and somehow i ended up on your page. | 12:27 |
| @fenn | pretty sure i read through all of neverness, but i barely remember any of it | 12:29 |
| @kanzure | http://heybryan.org/docs/Zindell,%20David%20-%20Neverness%20(v1.0).txt | 12:30 |
| @fenn | dunno if that says something about me or the book | 12:30 |
| @kanzure | 6 or 7 years ago i realized that if i was going to get any reasonably good hard scifi in my lifetime that i would have to be the one to write it | 12:31 |
| @kanzure | so i started squirreling away tiny fragments once in a while into an archive | 12:31 |
| eudoxia | ohhh i'd like to read that | 12:32 |
| eudoxia | was it version controlled? | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | i dunno why zindell did all that stuff about ftl.. there's a lot of room for story with relativistic travel.. | 12:32 |
| @kanzure | no, it's just a place i dump text files into. i haven't actually looked at the collection. | 12:33 |
| @kanzure | or edited anything ever | 12:33 |
| @fenn | the problem with relativistic space travel is all the trips are one-way | 12:34 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 12:34 |
| @fenn | (the problem with non-relativistic space travel is it's equivalent to time travel) | 12:34 |
| @kanzure | how are they one-way? you send your software there, then you can send it back. what's the big fucking deal. | 12:35 |
| @fenn | consider you blast off to a star 1000 light years away at 99% of the speed of light; it takes you 10 perceived years to get there, and 10 years to get back, but 2000 years have passed in the meanwhile | 12:35 |
| @kanzure | yep. | 12:35 |
| @fenn | so much has changed in the time since you left that what you come back to is as different as the destination was compared to where you started | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | how is that a problem? | 12:36 |
| @fenn | nobody knows how to think that way | 12:36 |
| @kanzure | i think authors are just lazy | 12:36 |
| eudoxia | yeah fenn if everyone you know and love died or moved away you should just lump it | 12:37 |
| @kanzure | what? | 12:37 |
| @fenn | "lump it"? | 12:37 |
| ThomasEgi | fenn, and your spacecraft woud have 9 times the mass compared to when it is not moving | 12:37 |
| eudoxia | >To endure, accept, put up with a situation one does not like. | 12:37 |
| @fenn | and your front would be longer than your side, but who cares | 12:38 |
| @fenn | or was it the other way around | 12:38 |
| @kanzure | also the authors could tie in longevity to get around the "no familiar characters" problem. | 12:39 |
| @kanzure | or cryonics. | 12:40 |
| @kanzure | or clones, ancestors, emulated copies, and all manner of other tricks. again, authors are lazy. | 12:41 |
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| @fenn | but a world in which people are still recognizable after 2000 years wouldn't be that interesting | 12:41 |
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| @fenn | everyone would be sitting around frozen in tanks of liquid nitrogen, or side-effect free S expressions or whatever | 12:42 |
| eudoxia_ | haha | 12:42 |
| @kanzure | "wouldn't be that interesting" isn't true.. there are many ways to tie in those elements in clever ways i think. | 12:43 |
| @kanzure | to be fair there are many uninteresting things in current stories, i think they could be done better heh | 12:44 |
| @fenn | i guess arthur clarke wrote about relativistic space travel | 12:47 |
| @kanzure | i don't often see stories that use relativistic space travel plus brain emulation, or forked copies of individuals, or longevity, or cryonics. i mean, there's a lot of fodder for scifi that has gone unused. | 12:48 |
| @fenn | hm. cryonics for space travel is so common it's cliche | 12:49 |
| @fenn | space travel + brain emulation is rare though, i'll grant you that | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | but isn't space travel plus emulation obvious? | 12:49 |
| eudoxia_ | not hard sci fi cryonics | 12:49 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia_: ? | 12:50 |
| @fenn | it's not obvious, it just may be the only thing that would work though | 12:50 |
| @kanzure | saurik: do you have a rom dump of google glass yet? and if so can i have a look? | 12:51 |
| @kanzure | http://cache.saurik.com/tinyimg/glassbroke.jpg | 12:52 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i've also been disappointed in "biopunk". none of these authors seem to be molecular biologists. their "hard scifi biology" is pretty bonkers. | 12:53 |
| @kanzure | greg's white knight concept was fun i think | 12:54 |
| @fenn | yeah egan is the only one who gets it right on both counts | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | "Google Glass runs Android 4.0.4, which is subject to the adb restore race condition; com.google.glass.logging fits the needed configuration." | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | oh i see. | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | well it's nice that it's android, but i was expecting it to be more challening to break. | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | *challenging | 12:55 |
| @fenn | oh look "science fiction stories with good astronomy and physics" http://astrosociety.org/edu/resources/scifi06.html | 12:57 |
| eudoxia_ | kanzure: cryonics with a bunch of technical details/discussion of difficulties | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia_: i haven't seen that in fiction yet | 12:58 |
| eudoxia_ | neither have i | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | nobody seems to read fahy or ben best or whatever. that would seem to be a necessary first step to writing good cryonics fiction. | 12:58 |
| @fenn | usually they just assume "it's just like bears hibernating" and leave it at that | 12:59 |
| @fenn | could a human hibernate 1000 years? | 12:59 |
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| @fenn | seeds can be dormant for that long, no problem | 13:01 |
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| @fenn | "Vitrification in cryonics is different than vitrification in mainstream cryobiology because vitrification in cryonics is not reversible with current technology." does that mean that "mainstream" vitrification is reversible? | 13:10 |
| saurik | kanzure: yeah, its just Android with a custom launcher/home thingee | 13:15 |
| saurik | http://test.saurik.com/kanzure/IMG_0144.JPG | 13:16 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i'm pretty sure you still move around during hibernation. | 13:18 |
| @kanzure | fenn: having never hibernated, i am not entirely sure. | 13:18 |
| @kanzure | saurik: so there's a specific google glass apk that i could possibly poke at? | 13:19 |
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| @kanzure | saurik: btw there should be a way to get a screenshot off of /dev somewhere.. i used to use "adb -d pull /dev/graphics/fb0 fb0" all the time. | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | erm.. -d because i was using an emulator in that case. | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | then you have to reformat the file: ffmpeg -vframes 1 -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb32 -s 480x800 -i fb0 -f image2 -vcodec png $outputpng | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | or whatever the resolution is (480x800 is probably wrong) | 13:20 |
| @fenn | Why this effect works is a matter of dispute, but it is known that static electric fields enhance ice nucleation so perhaps oscillating electric fields have the opposite effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cells_Alive_System | 13:21 |
| ParahSailin | when they vitrify cell lines or sperm, its reversible | 13:22 |
| @fenn | i always figured "stasis field" was just pure poppycock technobabble | 13:22 |
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| @fenn | something like the "cells alive system" would make cryo preservation super cheap; no need for a team of surgeons to drill holes in your skull | 13:25 |
| @fenn | and not needing high concentrations of chemicals should reduce the challenge of reanimation | 13:26 |
| eudoxia_ | but you'd need to keep it powered constantly | 13:26 |
| @fenn | no, once you're frozen you're frozen | 13:26 |
| eudoxia_ | i think | 13:26 |
| eudoxia_ | right, right, past T_g | 13:26 |
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| @fenn | "ABI’s “Cells Alive System” (CAS) vibrates water with magnetic fields, preventing freezing, even at supercool temperatures of -10 degrees Celsius (According to the Patent.) When the field is turned off, the water in the food instantly freezes." | 13:31 |
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| @fenn | i'd think something similar could be done with immense hydrostatic pressure; the phase diagram for water is pretty complicated http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/phase.html#intr2 | 13:39 |
| @fenn | raise pressure to 200MPa, lower temperature to -20C, lower pressure to 0 | 13:40 |
| @fenn | 200MPa is quite achievable | 13:41 |
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| @fenn | ah i guess i'm not the first person to have thought of this http://www.benbest.com/cryonics/pressure.html | 13:46 |
| @kanzure | ahem i explicitly said something about reading ben best things heh | 13:46 |
| @fenn | come on who wants to read about phase diagrams, where's the space aliens and lazers | 13:48 |
| @fenn | it's surprising that additions to the phase diagram have been made as recently as 2002, i thought all that stuff was figured out in the 50's | 13:53 |
| jrayhawk | a 200MPa swing seems a bit unhealthy for tissues | 14:00 |
| jrayhawk | though i suppose density is probably a good idea anyway since the expansion from Ih ice would also be bad for tissues | 14:01 |
| jrayhawk | s/density/pressure | 14:02 |
| jrayhawk | i suppose humans at least can survive pressurization just fine, it's depressurization that causes problems, so just compress further into III and V to get the rapid freezing effect | 14:04 |
| @fenn | high pressures drive organic condensation reactions equilibrium toward polymerization | 14:05 |
| @fenn | i guess i'd be worried about cracking bones because of the relative expansion difference | 14:07 |
| @fenn | how come nasa isn't doing this stuff | 14:09 |
| jrayhawk | 1044 feet: world record for deepest scuba dive | 14:10 |
| @fenn | i read 548 meters (50bar) but not very impressive | 14:10 |
| jrayhawk | jeepers | 14:10 |
| @fenn | so i guess the liquid air stuff in abyss isn't really used | 14:10 |
| @fenn | oxygenated perfluorocarbons | 14:11 |
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| ParahSailin | ok i got shell access to the iontorrent box | 14:46 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: you got any rootkit advice? | 14:46 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: uname -a | 15:19 |
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| @fenn | paperbot: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/tjsrae/26/4/26_4_371/_pdf | 15:35 |
| paperbot | error: HTTP 500 http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d342b279e3522a3ac91e3fa3820813f.txt | 15:35 |
| @kanzure | heh japanese javascript | 15:36 |
| @fenn | this paper is probably misleading anyway | 15:37 |
| @kanzure | <form id="AY01S010KijiSearch" name="AY01S010KijiSearch" action="/AY01S010KijiSearch" method="POST"> | 15:37 |
| @fenn | "In this study, the effect of weak magnetic field (about 0.0005 T) on freezing process of several kinds of foods was investigated by using a specially designed freezer facilitated with magnetic field generator. " | 15:37 |
| @fenn | but the patent says "fields of between 1 and 20000 G" which is like 2T | 15:37 |
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| ParahSail1n | some crazy eastern european gave a talk at a sens conference once about using magnets in cryonics | 16:12 |
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| chris_99 | what for ParahSail1n? | 16:36 |
| ParahSail1n | cooling through a quantum physical chemistry effect | 16:37 |
| chris_99 | oh is it the magnetocaloric effect | 16:37 |
| ParahSail1n | yeah | 16:38 |
| chris_99 | that sounds really interesting | 16:38 |
| ParahSail1n | you need crazy teslas to do that | 16:38 |
| ParahSail1n | 1 T per .1 C | 16:38 |
| chris_99 | heh, so not esp. practical | 16:38 |
| chris_99 | don't you need a rare-ish metal too | 16:39 |
| ParahSail1n | you need a superconducting magnet of some sort | 16:39 |
| chris_99 | according to wiki they use a Gadolinium alloy in the field | 16:39 |
| chris_99 | whatever that is | 16:40 |
| ParahSail1n | magnetocaloric effect is only really useful for going super cryogenic temperatures, like below he bp | 16:40 |
| ParahSail1n | because .1 C is a lot bigger if you're at 4K | 16:40 |
| @fenn | the idea is just to prevent ice crystals from forming while you supercool the sample | 16:44 |
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| nmz787 | ParahSail1n: I'd think the japanese nanodrop ripoff would be better than a chinese ripoff | 18:58 |
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| ParahSail1n | nmz787, i dunno | 19:11 |
| ParahSail1n | where's the jp one? | 19:12 |
| nmz787 | http://www.malcom.co.jp/eng/product/es-2.html | 19:13 |
| nmz787 | the jap one says it can do a full UV Vis spec | 19:13 |
| nmz787 | while that chinese one only specifies 260 280 and i think one other | 19:13 |
| ParahSail1n | any idea on price? | 19:13 |
| nmz787 | though it says it uses a xenon flash | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | so i imagine the chinese one is simply using filters and photodiodes | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | rather than a grating and linear/2d array | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | no idea, i emailed them twice with no response | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | 10/2011 and 7/2012 with no response | 19:15 |
| ParahSail1n | no good at all if you can't buy it | 19:19 |
| nmz787 | i've had some no reply alibaba inquiries too | 19:22 |
| nmz787 | i imagine they don't respond due to IP/licensing | 19:22 |
| ParahSail1n | ill keep you posted on this guanzhou outfit | 19:23 |
| @kanzure | http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/CAD_MODELS/OpenSourceEcology/ | 19:43 |
| Juul | kanzure, what's that? | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | opensourceecology's worst nightmare... technical documentation about their projects. in particular some cad files. | 19:45 |
| Juul | wut! | 19:45 |
| Juul | i'm part of a group who've been trying to build the CEB press | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | YEP applying some of that "evil computer magic" | 19:46 |
| Juul | who did this? | 19:46 |
| Juul | i am familiar with the suck that is OSE documentation | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | US STRATCOM did this or something | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | starseeker is part of the US military.. dunno where he's stationed. | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | yeah i just wish i could convince OSE to seriously invest in CAD, file formats, and not "endless pages of wiki text"... | 19:47 |
| Juul | we've found several bugs in their documentation so far | 19:47 |
| Juul | and apparently the entire crew ragequit | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | he's done some tanks it looks like | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | did you see the conversation with matt maier the other week? | 19:48 |
| Juul | kanzure, no | 19:48 |
| nmz787 | and has got the ISS there | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | Juul: http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-03-26.log | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | Juul: check out some of the text near "On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Matt Maier <blueback09@gmail.com> wrote" | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | basically they admitted that they have no plans whatsoever and that they have no engineering process.. | 19:49 |
| Juul | yeah, that's what we've gathered after reading through the mailing list trying to find a consistent set of documentation | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | because fuck engineering, i guess | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | or.. something.. | 19:51 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: what is this http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/opennurbs/ | 19:52 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 19:53 |
| nmz787 | http://brlcad.org/~starseeker/vol2/book/tutorial_series/ | 19:53 |
| ParahSail1n | trying to build a CEB press eh? | 19:53 |
| ParahSail1n | their documentation is really that bad? | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: opennurbs is a library from rhino. brlcad uses opennurbs in a number of places in their infrastructure. | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: opennurbs has two versions. one is open source and freely licensed, but it has a number of important functions and algorithms disabled. the other is a commercial license. | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | s/disabled/missing | 19:55 |
| Juul | it's scattered and there buggy, but the worst part is that there are several versions of the documentation and each version is only available in some formats, some of it is available as technical drawings but the newest version is only in an STL version, and it's never clear which version you're looking at or what is the newest "stable" version | 19:56 |
| @kanzure | is there a development repository? | 19:57 |
| @kanzure | also, jonathan cline just posted a good overview of tecan's security measures: | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | "Tecan's software on Windows passes an authentication key to the robot hardware in order to allow 3rd party software to send the robot commands. Otherwise, only Tecan's own software can send the robot any commands. [*But see Note below] If the Windows box does not have the authentication key, then the Tecan software doesn't allow 3rd party software any method to send commands to the robot. Tecan does this to enforce royalties or ... | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | ... licensing or other typical biz practices. The hardware isn't really "open" unless you buy the key [*But see Note below]." | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | "Without the dongle, it was possible to run Tecan's own version of Gemini (PC software) to control the Genesis Robot. Other LIMS system software is 3rd party though, so might require the dongle. Maybe for the Freedom, Tecan tightened up the controls." | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | "Certainly with the newer USB robots (no longer serial bus controlled), the robot makers are keeping the communications under tighter control. I approached a couple companies as a 3rd party developer and they immediately requested signing NDA before any details of their robot would be provided. Part of the NDA restricted any open source release of info, too. They're trying to protect their turf more than in the past. (Cavro became ad ... | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | ... hoc industry standard for a while, so details were much more was open, and also the devices were simpler/dumber, so command formats were also simple.)" | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | "[*Note] - it is possible to send commands directly to some of Tecan's robots by using raw serial or CAN bus protocol. The commands are documented in my open source Bio Robotics software (free for the taking). This requires some low level computer knowledge. For example, a USB-to-serial or USB-to-CAN bus converter could drive the robot directly from any host, if the correct communications protocol is used (simple header for device ... | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | ... address, etc, if I remember right)." | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | "The cost of the key is something around $3000 +/- or at least that was the price when I saw a purchase order for one." | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | well the price of an FTDI cable is <$20 | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | an can do USB to SPI, prob CAN too | 20:01 |
| Juul | there seems to be no official repository for OSE, just a wiki with uploaded files | 20:01 |
| @kanzure | i wish OSE took itself more seriously :| | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | hey what was that biofab announcement the other day | 20:03 |
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| Juul | i don't know man, i haven't talked to drew for a while | 20:06 |
| Juul | i think he's been redefining what biofab is | 20:06 |
| ParahSail1n | the optimist would hope that maybe the ose people are just too busy building stuff to upload schematics | 20:07 |
| @kanzure | according to http://gnusha.org/logs/2013-03-26.log they don't even believe in schematics | 20:07 |
| Juul | from what i've heard there are no-one on-site building anything now | 20:07 |
| ParahSail1n | nmz787, guangzhou lab outfit replied | 20:11 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: can you hook us up with cheap chinese lab equipment | 20:12 |
| ParahSail1n | they said they cannot sell to the us, but i have family in guangzhou | 20:12 |
| @kanzure | i haven't seen anyone talking about how cheap the chinese can go on their science trash | 20:12 |
| ParahSail1n | in my response i said i was based in sg | 20:12 |
| ParahSail1n | that shop has thermocyclers too | 20:13 |
| ParahSail1n | theres absolutely no way i would do wetlab work without nanodrop | 20:14 |
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| ParahSail1n | the nano is 6k | 20:22 |
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| ParahSail1n | not cheap, but significant discount from the fisher one | 20:29 |
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| ParahSail1n | gradient thermocyclers 1800 and 2500 | 20:33 |
| ParahSail1n | i bet it wouldnt be that hard to resell these nanodrops | 20:43 |
| @kanzure | i think fisher nanodrop is 20k | 21:15 |
| ParahSail1n | it seems like its 10k | 21:20 |
| ParahSail1n | im just at least jmil will be needing one | 21:20 |
| ParahSail1n | s/just/sure | 21:20 |
| @kanzure | yeah isn't now about the time when jmil is drafting his nih career grant thing for buying up lab equipment? | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | maybe we should start suggesting toys for him | 21:21 |
| ParahSail1n | i bet i could sell 10 of them at the brc, rice, baylor, and md anderson | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | do you want to? | 21:22 |
| ParahSail1n | its a prospect i will look into | 21:22 |
| ParahSail1n | i think for what that sort of spec does, it would be hard to open source make that for much less than 6k | 21:23 |
| @kanzure | open source doesn't have to be cheaper, unless you're trying to get people to buy it | 21:24 |
| ParahSail1n | ill for sure do an order of the nanospec, thermocycler, shakers, and analytical balance | 21:24 |
| ParahSail1n | less sure about resale | 21:25 |
| ParahSail1n | the "lite" version that a&e sells might also be one that labs would buy | 21:27 |
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| @kanzure | "The key used with the older Tecan's are the typical old-school "parallel port security dongle" which has a serial number or something similar, which matches the hardware. In the simplest cases the dongle internally is just a set of jumpers which hardwires the parallel port IO's to a fixed value (tied to vcc or gnd). Or it could be an EPROM. A hacker here emailed me the dump and instructions for the Tecan dongle a while back and reportedly ... | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | ... got a clone working. These parallel hardware-dongle keys used to be pretty common for different types of server software. Nowadays companies use USB dongles for software-license-control, these are a bit more involved crypto-wise yet still pretty simple and I'm sure there are cloners out there. (Cloners or crackers are not appropriate for a commercial installation though.)" | 21:58 |
| @kanzure | "When the dongle is installed, Tecan windows software allows 3rd party software to pass commands through a windows shared pipe (filename \\.\\pipe or similar) -- this is in my source code. If the dongle is not installed, this windows pipe doesn't exist, so the user is stuck -- unless customized (but not difficult) hardware is used to pass the serial commands directly to the hardware, without Tecan in the middle. For example, the typical ... | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | ... Bio guy writes MS Visual Basic (yuck!) which writes commands through Tecan's command pipe, to the robot." | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | "So, the dongle is required if using Tecan software in an out-of-the-box configuration with 3rd party software like mine, where Tecan windows software requires being the "man in the middle" for all the robot commands." | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | "The better method is to send the commands directly to the robot with a USB-to-serial device. For my Perl Robotics::Tecan software to work with such a setup, it would be a straightforward change to write to the correct device and prepend the comm byte header. (Or similar.) This isn't implemented right now though since I always used a PC with the dongle, and most labs do too." | 21:59 |
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| brownies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ym2L1urOz8&feature=youtu.be&t=10s | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | .title | 23:12 |
| yoleaux | Simpsons - grad students - YouTube | 23:12 |
| rigel | god dammit | 23:21 |
| rigel | there are so many fucking books i need to read | 23:21 |
| rigel | i need to figure out how to get paid for this shit | 23:21 |
| @kanzure | you could always sell your soul and go work for drchrono | 23:28 |
| rigel | who what | 23:39 |
| @kanzure | random emr outfit | 23:40 |
| rigel | oh. i actually know someone who works there | 23:41 |
| rigel | i think | 23:41 |
| @kanzure | there's a lot of them. but it seems a hard space because docs aren't always pro-computer anyway. | 23:41 |
| rigel | yeah | 23:42 |
| rigel | we are going to have 20 years of docs accustomed to Epic now, before we have any FOSS stuff in that space i think | 23:42 |
| rigel | though maybe the VA's OSEHRA program will change that earlier | 23:42 |
| rigel | Epic is a gigantic turd on a stick | 23:43 |
| rigel | a lot of people are going to die because we decided we wanted to give a subsidy to the AMA and proprietary software for recordkeeping | 23:43 |
| @kanzure | yep | 23:43 |
| rigel | sacrifices to the gods of the Free Market | 23:44 |
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