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| tastybuds | Hi everyone | 05:20 |
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| archels | hello | 05:23 |
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| kanzure | olleh | 05:55 |
| kanzure | you should show backtraces to brlcad people, not me | 05:56 |
| tastybuds | What!? | 06:01 |
| kanzure | impossible! | 06:07 |
| tastybuds | Uhrrr wot | 06:25 |
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| kanzure | tastybuds: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-01-22.log | 06:33 |
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| tastybuds | Aha | 06:35 |
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| archels | can anyone grab http://iopscience.iop.org/0967-3334/21/1/301/ ? | 06:46 |
| kanzure | .title | 06:50 |
| yoleaux | A comparison of modified Howland circuits as current generators with current mirror type circuits - Abstract - Physiological Measurement - IOPscience | 06:50 |
| kanzure | http://iopscience.iop.org/0967-3334/21/1/301/pdf/0967-3334_21_1_301.pdf | 06:50 |
| archels | ok, I think I'm doing this wrong | 06:51 |
| archels | first of all--thanks, that link works | 06:51 |
| archels | I tried to access this via Google, Google Scholar, and via the library repositories of two different universities | 06:51 |
| archels | and they kept redirecting me to the payment page | 06:51 |
| archels | so not sure where exactly I went wrong | 06:52 |
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| kanzure | fwiw that link does not work for me | 07:06 |
| kanzure | your mileage clearly varies here | 07:06 |
| kanzure | http://aleph.se/andart2/megascale/just-how-efficient-can-a-jupiter-brain-be/ | 07:07 |
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| tastybuds | Do you think that the current economic and political system is keeping innovation back? | 07:11 |
| tastybuds | I think it does, with the cyclical crisis and all | 07:11 |
| tastybuds | Also proprietary knowledge isn't helping | 07:11 |
| kanzure | why do you ask? | 07:11 |
| tastybuds | Just my thoughts | 07:12 |
| kanzure | huh? | 07:12 |
| tastybuds | I wonder if anyone thought about it | 07:12 |
| kanzure | there must be a reason for asking | 07:12 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: i was surprised when i read his original paper to find that a Jupiter brain would only have a 2km deep "crust" of processors, surrounding a vaster "mante" of interconnects and cooling systems | 07:12 |
| eudoxia | mantle* | 07:12 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: what were you expecting? | 07:12 |
| kanzure | tastybuds: it is very easy to blame politics and economics for many problems, even when this is not a productive thing to do | 07:13 |
| tastybuds | I agree kanzure | 07:13 |
| kanzure | tastybuds: even if they are the source of those sorts of problems, it is a poor excuse | 07:13 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: i don't know, since i'd never thought about it deeply. i guess if someone had said "1/10th of the radius can be used for computation" i would have thought that to be reasonable. | 07:13 |
| tastybuds | Good point, kanzure | 07:14 |
| kanzure | hmm, i thought the majority of the volume would be used for computation and heat piping. you're saying the internal core is completely reserved for cooling/pipes? | 07:14 |
| tastybuds | However social institutions have to keep up with technologic growth, else we risk a new dark ages. So my suggestion is that alternative politics make part of this h+ movement. Especially concerning copyright laws. | 07:16 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: that's what I understood from "daily life among the jupiter brains" | 07:16 |
| kanzure | tastybuds: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration | 07:17 |
| eudoxia | "...we get a ratio between connection and node volume as ~2200, i.e. a very thin layer (1350 meters) of nodes on top of an interior filled with connections." | 07:17 |
| kanzure | tastybuds: i don't think that you should be surprised to learn that transhumanists write open-source software or know about copyleft and other schemes. | 07:17 |
| tastybuds | Thanks | 07:18 |
| tastybuds | Haven't seen this yet!! | 07:18 |
| kanzure | oh man two exclamation point i regret engaging you | 07:20 |
| JayDugger | Now, now...play nice. | 07:22 |
| kanzure | it's just so hard | 07:22 |
| JayDugger | That difficulty makes self-restraint a virtue. | 07:22 |
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| JayDugger | Wow...I have turned into my Dad. | 07:23 |
| kanzure | i suppose what i am upset about is that he does not treat open-source licensing as obvious | 07:24 |
| kanzure | but rather as something unique that he expects people to have not already decided about on their own | 07:24 |
| kanzure | this shows that he has extremely low expectations | 07:24 |
| JayDugger | You're right. I hope instead for correctable ignorance or naiveté. | 07:27 |
| JayDugger | But that's usually in vain. | 07:28 |
| kanzure | and also: most people don't invoke politics as the justification for open-source licensing, but rather business development and strategy. | 07:29 |
| JayDugger | Right again. | 07:31 |
| JayDugger | My child-like faith in the innate goodness of human nature is taking a beating here. | 07:31 |
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| kanzure | i hope not, i'm just elaborating on my motivation for backing off when i saw exclamation marks | 07:32 |
| kanzure | i encourage you to continue on the path of optimism and uh stuff | 07:32 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...thanks. Let me go raid my wife's jar of Adderall. That should do it...if I can find it. | 07:33 |
| kanzure | hmm a jar is a good idea | 07:34 |
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| the8thbit|work | Hello | 08:50 |
| the8thbit|work | Does anyone here have an account on the NEURON forums? | 08:50 |
| the8thbit|work | I need admin approval to post there, but my account has been sitting in limbo for a couple of weeks. | 08:51 |
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| heath | hm, i think the oculus rift or similar might be a worthwhile investment | 09:03 |
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| heath | back is starting to have problems looking down at the laptop constantly | 09:05 |
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| justanotheruser | heath: Interested in buying the original devkit? | 09:08 |
| the8thbit|work | heath: I'm thinking the virtuix omni could be good therapy for sitting in an office chair all day | 09:30 |
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| bbrittain_ | maaku: yo, you worked at transcriptic, right? | 10:45 |
| * bbrittain_ is pretty sure you did | 10:45 | |
| maaku | bbrittain_: yes? | 10:45 |
| bbrittain_ | did you work with an intern named Jason Kang? | 10:45 |
| maaku | no, there were only 3 other employees when I was there | 10:46 |
| maaku | they were just starting the intern program | 10:46 |
| maaku | i was there in March/April 2013 | 10:46 |
| bbrittain_ | ahhh dammit. I was hoping for a sidechannel reference, he just applied to Ginkgo | 10:47 |
| maaku | ah sorry | 10:47 |
| bbrittain_ | np! | 10:47 |
| bbrittain_ | thanks anyways | 10:47 |
| maaku | i can say if he was hired by Max and co., he must be pretty smart :) | 10:47 |
| bbrittain_ | he sent us some pretty damn generic java code as a "look I can code" thing, which actually made me skeptical | 10:48 |
| bbrittain_ | it had some swing in it | 10:49 |
| * bbrittain_ shudders | 10:49 | |
| Qfwfq | bbrittain_: Are you aware how difficult your company is to naively find search results about? | 10:50 |
| Qfwfq | Oh I guess it works better with the full name. | 10:51 |
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| kanzure | "who the hell is tom knight??? he needs a less generic name" | 10:53 |
| justanotheruser | Is bitcoin incentives.pdf being hosted and updated as a pdf anywhere? | 10:53 |
| kanzure | no | 10:53 |
| kanzure | also i haven't added to that in a while | 10:53 |
| kanzure | it's not easy enumerating those things | 10:56 |
| kanzure | bbrittain_: well, what do you guys need a programmer for specifically? | 10:56 |
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| justanotheruser | listing off incentives is pretty smart actually. It would be cool if the same thing was made for the US government | 11:01 |
| kanzure | that's pathetically simple: asymmetric power is dangerous and destroys individuals, therefore x i forget what x is but the solution is related to individual empowerment | 11:02 |
| justanotheruser | are you ancap? | 11:07 |
| kanzure | my ideas were developed by myself in isolation during compulsory public education | 11:07 |
| kanzure | btw the constitution and bill of rights is largely a bunch of warnings about asymmetrically large powers in society, so you shouldn't immediately jump to ancap | 11:08 |
| kanzure | although to be honest ancap is probably, in general, closer to generating things that look like my thoughts.... | 11:09 |
| kanzure | (actually i haven't investigated ancap much, so maybe i shouldn't make that sort of statement.) | 11:10 |
| bbrittain_ | Qfwfq: yes, add Bioworks to the end and it is fine | 11:12 |
| Qfwfq | bbrittain_: How hard is the B.S. requirement? | 11:13 |
| bbrittain_ | Qfwfq: weak? for a dev position. | 11:13 |
| Qfwfq | Cool. | 11:14 |
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| bbrittain_ | Qfwfq: shoot me a pm with some info | 11:14 |
| kanzure | bbrittain_: hire ParahSailin | 11:14 |
| justanot1eruser | kanzure: sounds like you're closer to minarchist | 11:14 |
| kanzure | justanot1eruser: words, man | 11:14 |
| bbrittain_ | market anarchism ftw | 11:15 |
| bbrittain_ | no. minarchism vs ancap is soooo different | 11:15 |
| justanot1eruser | In the strictest sense, it holds that states ought to exist (as opposed to anarchy), that their only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. | 11:15 |
| kanzure | i would hesitate to call myself a subscriber of any particular political group. i think they are all suspicious and you should be troubled by them. | 11:15 |
| nmz787_i | I have no idea what y'all are talking about | 11:15 |
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| bbrittain_ | government, and it's inevitable evils | 11:16 |
| bbrittain_ | s/inevitable/inherent/ | 11:16 |
| justanot1eruser | minarchism isn't a political group afaik | 11:16 |
| justanot1eruser | I wonder if this channel was less libertarian until it got intertwined with #bitcoin-wizards | 11:17 |
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| p42___ | Zoltan for president! http://www.transhumanistparty.org/ | 11:17 |
| kanzure | justanot1eruser: extropians was originally a libertarian group | 11:18 |
| justanot1eruser | p42___: it's like I'm looking at the future of web design | 11:18 |
| kanzure | justanot1eruser: cypherpunks/extropians/etc were libertarian long before bitcoin existed | 11:18 |
| kanzure | i mean, libertarian-seeming, if not explicitly libertarian | 11:19 |
| maaku | justanot1eruser: ancap is confused that efficiency doesn't in itself produce value alignment. unfortunately most human attempts at creating value also fail... | 11:19 |
| kanzure | p42___: do not confuse forming political groups with "doing good engineering work" | 11:19 |
| kanzure | p42___: otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time in here | 11:19 |
| maaku | that's for sure | 11:19 |
| bbrittain_ | Zoltan is a crazy statist | 11:19 |
| bbrittain_ | and a poor writer | 11:19 |
| maaku | i never understood why a transhumanist party would want a presidential candidate | 11:20 |
| kanzure | maaku: "maybe if we form a big enough group, some super genius will descend from the heavens and make my work easier for me and do it for me. just gotta get political enough for it to happen!" hahahaa :( | 11:20 |
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| maaku | just get a congretional rep. a single rep whose only job is to get pork attached to bills funding nano/bio/whatever research | 11:21 |
| kanzure | eh, you're welcome to do that, but i don't think that will maintain mission integrity at all | 11:21 |
| maaku | bah i don't want anything to do with politics | 11:21 |
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| kanzure | excellent | 11:22 |
| kanzure | shut up and code :) | 11:22 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: and democratic transhumanists were originally a socialist group | 11:22 |
| kanzure | yes well they are insane | 11:22 |
| maaku | i even stopped voting years ago | 11:22 |
| justanotheruser | I guess you guys are extropians though :P | 11:22 |
| archels | .title http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnins.2014.00379/full | 11:23 |
| yoleaux | Frontiers | FPGA implementation of a biological neural network based on the Hodgkin-Huxley neuron model | Neuromorphic Engineering | 11:23 |
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| kanzure | justanotheruser: here is a description of what we do http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration | 11:24 |
| maaku | you can call me whatever you want as long as it doesn't impede getting across the finish line | 11:24 |
| maaku | is this guy on here? http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/bp9/why_i_moved_from_ai_to_neuroscience_or_uploading/ | 11:26 |
| kanzure | not really, davidad doesn't come here anymore | 11:27 |
| kanzure | he used to | 11:27 |
| maaku | :( | 11:27 |
| archels | so they got 150 neurons with current-based synapses to work at realtime | 11:27 |
| kanzure | if it was possible to convince davidad to show up it would be nice | 11:27 |
| kanzure | dalrymple is everywhere | 11:27 |
| kanzure | .g site:gnusha.org/logs davidad | 11:28 |
| yoleaux | http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-12-07.log | 11:28 |
| kanzure | hrm wrong link | 11:29 |
| p42___ | 1) Hack banks. 2) Buy island/floating city. 3) Declare sovereignty. 4) Setup nukes to go off automatically if sovereignty is impinged. 5) Cure death and take over the rest of the world. 5) Go into space. | 11:29 |
| kanzure | 3 is stupid | 11:29 |
| kanzure | 1 is stupid | 11:29 |
| p42___ | why? | 11:29 |
| kanzure | 2 is stupid. typical surface dweller attitude. | 11:29 |
| kanzure | 3 doesn't matter at all. nobody gives a shit what you declare. | 11:30 |
| maaku | skip straight to 5 please | 11:30 |
| p42___ | hehe | 11:30 |
| p42___ | Can't get into space without a space program. | 11:30 |
| maaku | p42___: spacex isn't good enough? | 11:31 |
| p42___ | maaku: Nope. | 11:31 |
| p42___ | And I don't trust Elon not to leave me behind | 11:31 |
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| maaku | leave you behind? not if you have money | 11:32 |
| maaku | just buy some bitcoins, put them somewhere safe, and work on the cure-death thingy | 11:32 |
| p42___ | maaku: He may have a personal grudge against me. | 11:32 |
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| maaku | haha ok that's your problem to solve then :P | 11:32 |
| p42___ | It's easier to start my own space program. | 11:33 |
| nmz787_i | "with blackjack, and hookers" | 11:33 |
| maaku | incidentally i think all the free-state people have got it wrong. they should be working whatever good paying 9-5 job they can get, to cover mortgage on desireable real estate | 11:34 |
| maaku | then sell it all and ship themselves to mars in 20 years | 11:34 |
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| kanzure | maaku: i think most of those people are disillusioned about "work had -> build up capital" | 11:35 |
| kanzure | seeing as how cheap debt is at the moment | 11:35 |
| maaku | true | 11:35 |
| kanzure | *hard | 11:35 |
| kanzure | hard work is hard, and at least doubly so when capital accumulation doesn't work | 11:35 |
| kanzure | or, doesn't work fast enough | 11:35 |
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| p42___ | kanzure: Where would you like to dwell if not on the surface? Don't you like sunlight? | 11:39 |
| bbrittain_ | oh, I know davidad. should I remind him to come around? | 11:45 |
| kanzure | bbrittain_: yes you should bribe him and coerce him, also use lbackmail if necessary | 11:47 |
| kanzure | also guns use guns those usually work | 11:47 |
| kanzure | p42___: surface is where storms destroy your boats and shit | 11:47 |
| p42___ | kanzure: Make them storm proof. | 11:48 |
| kanzure | also, many locations are tax havens, so i'm not sure a tax haven is sufficient motivation, i see no reason why that economic arrangement would be better than land-dwelling economic arrangements | 11:48 |
| kanzure | stormproofing like, make them really really big? | 11:48 |
| p42___ | kanzure: I dunno. Use your imagination. | 11:49 |
| kanzure | my imagination says that bluesed needs like $500 million for their superboat | 11:49 |
| p42___ | so? | 11:49 |
| kanzure | and i am not prepared to spend $500 million on a stupid boat | 11:49 |
| kanzure | i have much better things to be doing with $500 million | 11:49 |
| p42___ | see step 1 | 11:49 |
| kanzure | maaku's ste 1 makes more sense | 11:49 |
| kanzure | *step | 11:49 |
| kanzure | but again, why would that be particularly useful compared to performing those same activities on land? | 11:51 |
| p42___ | fine. We'll get an island and a boat. | 11:52 |
| kanzure | why though? | 11:53 |
| p42___ | Somewhere to put the labs. | 11:53 |
| kanzure | but labs can exist in the currently populated areas | 11:53 |
| kanzure | so that's not a good explanation? | 11:53 |
| p42___ | It's just more efficient if we all sleep together. See Xerox PARC. | 11:54 |
| p42___ | And it's harder to do security in currently populated areas | 11:56 |
| kanzure | what are you comparing xerox parc to? | 11:56 |
| p42___ | My dream hackspace | 11:56 |
| kanzure | huh? | 11:56 |
| kanzure | how are those not similar? | 11:56 |
| p42___ | those? | 11:57 |
| kanzure | xerox parc | 11:57 |
| kanzure | and your hackspace thing | 11:57 |
| kanzure | i asked you what you were comparing xerox parc to | 11:57 |
| kanzure | you said it's more efficient | 11:57 |
| kanzure | xerox parc: people go into an office together | 11:57 |
| kanzure | hackspace: people go into the same room together | 11:57 |
| kanzure | so how is xerox parc more efficient there than your hackspace? | 11:57 |
| p42___ | Cos we're not allowed to sleep here. | 11:58 |
| kanzure | interwebs seems to work pretty well to me | 11:58 |
| p42___ | IRL is more efficient. | 11:58 |
| kanzure | you should be comparing efficiency of xerox parc (paying everyone millions of bucks to move to a certain area) to the efficiency of the interwebs, not the efficiency of your local hackerspace | 11:58 |
| p42___ | interwebs is inefficient and unhealthy | 11:59 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'm not convinced that i can convince any of you lazy dirtbags to move to a specific area | 11:59 |
| kanzure | i was only ever able to convince fenn to move | 11:59 |
| p42___ | I'm convinced. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | so therefore internet seems to be the only option for collaboration | 12:00 |
| p42___ | Build it and the people will come. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | fuck you | 12:00 |
| kanzure | that's the worst piece of advice ever, and everyone knows | 12:00 |
| p42___ | why? | 12:00 |
| kanzure | .g site:news.ycombinator.com "build it and they will come" fallacy | 12:00 |
| yoleaux | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8766845 | 12:00 |
| p42___ | In my experience it works. | 12:01 |
| p42___ | WTF is pipedrive? A hackspace? | 12:01 |
| kanzure | https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com%20%22build%20it%20and%20they%20will%20come%22 | 12:01 |
| kanzure | many excellent reason why you should not believe in "build and they will come" | 12:02 |
| kanzure | if anything it should be "build because i want to" and not "because i believe that they will be forced by violence to give me money" | 12:02 |
| p42___ | It doesn't apply to interweb things. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | also, paying them to show up at your labor camp is another idea | 12:03 |
| p42___ | huh? Who said anything about violence or money? | 12:03 |
| p42___ | I don't think they'd be interested in money. There will be free cheese and stuff | 12:03 |
| kanzure | you are the one who implied violence "build it and they will come" | 12:03 |
| kanzure | "build it" is obviously not a sufficient reason why people will do anything for you | 12:03 |
| p42___ | I did not imply violence! | 12:03 |
| kanzure | of course it does, in the absence of sufficient reason my only conclusion can be that you meant violence | 12:04 |
| kanzure | because there's literally no other alternative | 12:04 |
| p42___ | Don't make assumptions. | 12:04 |
| kanzure | it was not an assumption | 12:04 |
| p42___ | They'll come for the cheese. No violence needed | 12:05 |
| kanzure | so you are going to be paying them? | 12:05 |
| p42___ | only in cheese. | 12:05 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:05 |
| p42___ | there will be free cheese when they want it. | 12:05 |
| p42___ | As much as they can eat. | 12:05 |
| kanzure | i hate you get the hell out | 12:05 |
| maaku | p42___: no one of any value will ever move anywhere you want them to | 12:06 |
| p42___ | maaku: They will if I tempt them with nice labs and free cheese. | 12:06 |
| maaku | because guess what? I have a wife. and kids. and extended family. and friends. and a social life. | 12:06 |
| maaku | fuck your cheese | 12:06 |
| p42___ | maaku: Bring them with you. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | you are a moron | 12:06 |
| kanzure | there's no reasoning with you at this point | 12:07 |
| kanzure | you don't make things happen by adding arbitrary amounts of friction | 12:07 |
| kanzure | you make things happen by making things have less friction | 12:07 |
| p42___ | friction? | 12:08 |
| maaku | p42___: that thing which when you experience too much of it you burst in flames and die | 12:12 |
| p42___ | maaku: nice labs and free cheese. Where does the friction come from? Here at LHS rule 0 is 'Do not be on fire' | 12:13 |
| maaku | p42___: reading comprehension | 12:14 |
| maaku | <maaku> because guess what? I have a wife. and kids. and extended family. and friends. and a social life. | 12:14 |
| kanzure | and also, seasteading is a bunch of extra effort | 12:14 |
| kanzure | whereas labs on land work just fine | 12:14 |
| p42___ | <p42___> maaku: Bring them with you. | 12:14 |
| kanzure | "and extended family. and frineds." | 12:14 |
| kanzure | all of them? this is insanely expensive dude. | 12:15 |
| p42___ | which part of step 1 do you not understand? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | instead of hacking a bank why can't i just use my own money? | 12:15 |
| p42___ | sure, you can if you're insanely rich. | 12:16 |
| kanzure | you don't have to be insanely rich if you avoid doing insanely stupid shit like "relocate an entire city of friends to very expensive seasteading infrastructure" | 12:16 |
| kanzure | you can just be regularly rich | 12:16 |
| * p42___ shrugs | 12:16 | |
| p42___ | Don't come then. Nobody is forcing you. | 12:17 |
| kanzure | come where? what the fuck man | 12:17 |
| p42___ | to the island. | 12:17 |
| kanzure | okay, so having an island with nobody on it, is much less useful | 12:18 |
| kanzure | i don't see your point | 12:18 |
| kanzure | how does this prove that in-person is better than internet collaboration ? | 12:18 |
| p42___ | huh? I want you to come, but I don't want to use violence. | 12:18 |
| p42___ | I'm sure you'll turn up sooner or later when you see all the other people enjoying the labs and free cheese. Build it and the people will come. | 12:19 |
| kanzure | you're just repeating yourself now | 12:20 |
| kanzure | stop wasting my time | 12:20 |
| kanzure | can you clarify whether or not you are insanely rich? | 12:20 |
| p42___ | Yes. | 12:20 |
| kanzure | and? | 12:20 |
| p42___ | Yes. | 12:20 |
| maaku | already insanely rich? | 12:21 |
| kanzure | if i could offer you a plan that would more productively, more efficiently generate transhumanist technology, without an island involved, would you consider it? | 12:21 |
| p42___ | Yes. | 12:21 |
| kanzure | if you are wasting my time, why should i not nuke you from orbit? | 12:21 |
| p42___ | Collateral damage | 12:22 |
| maaku | was that a yes to kanzure? because seriously if you have money there are ways to get started on the conquer death thing | 12:22 |
| maaku | if not, get lost because you're wasting our time | 12:22 |
| archels | can anyone grab this? http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/01/21/science.aaa3035 | 12:22 |
| kanzure | gimme pdf link instead | 12:22 |
| archels | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/01/21/science.aaa3035.full.pdf | 12:23 |
| kanzure | no :( | 12:23 |
| archels | k, thanks for giving it a try | 12:23 |
| archels | it's all about 'photons coaxed to move slower than speed of light in vacuum in a vacuum', but I'm not certain they're not just talking about phase vs. group velocity | 12:24 |
| archels | no I guess they really do mean group velocity | 12:26 |
| kanzure | surely there's something on arxiv | 12:27 |
| archels | the effect is only on the order of 20 wavelength per metre, according to this sciencedirect article http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150123144158.htm | 12:27 |
| archels | maybe this http://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.3987 | 12:28 |
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| nmz787_i | i can see it archels | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | someone might be able to just make a bookmarklet that hits the ECS URL in paperbpt | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | paperbot's source | 13:09 |
| kanzure | "Theory of interstellar trade" https://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/interstellar.pdf | 13:22 |
| kanzure | oh this was krugman? | 13:23 |
| kanzure | given his strange inability to comprehend bitcoin why should i expect him to comprehend interstellar trade | 13:23 |
| kanzure | well, i guess it's not that strange, nobody know bitcoin | 13:23 |
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| Douhet | bitcoin seems more and more like a religion every time I see people talking about it | 13:38 |
| justanotheruser | Douhet: you're plobably listening in the wrong places | 13:39 |
| kanzure | right | 13:39 |
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| kanzure | Douhet: there's an extremely limited number of people that understand how bitcoin works, so what you are observing is the effects of nobody understanding anything about it | 13:40 |
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| justanotheruser | theres reddit.com/r/bitcoin-is-amazing-stop-fudding-no-there-are-no-bad-security-practices-the-blockchain-is-useful-for-everything-invest-in-my-new-scamcoin | 13:41 |
| kanzure | which one is that? | 13:41 |
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| justanotheruser | the bitcoin subreddit | 13:41 |
| kanzure | i was expecting you to say "all of them" | 13:42 |
| justanotheruser | nah, there are some good ones | 13:42 |
| kanzure | impossible! | 13:42 |
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| justanotheruser | If you want to risk clicking a reddit link, this is the top post on /r/askscience right now https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2te8u6/how_can_we_tell_whether_a_galaxy_it_tinted_red/ | 13:43 |
| justanotheruser | basically if you're noise or speculating you get banned | 13:43 |
| kanzure | i'd rather not | 13:43 |
| justanotheruser | o.o | 13:43 |
| kanzure | i lost interest in reddit back in 2008 | 13:43 |
| kanzure | it's just a giant engine for producing raging lunatics | 13:44 |
| kanzure | "but the subreddits are good!" is nonsense | 13:44 |
| justanotheruser | that doesn't even make sense | 13:44 |
| justanotheruser | reddit is just a collection of subreddits | 13:44 |
| Douhet | didn't reddit sell for a large quantity of money and everyone with sense has since moved on? | 13:44 |
| justanotheruser | if the subreddits are bad, what can be good about reddit? the logo? | 13:44 |
| justanotheruser | err | 13:44 |
| justanotheruser | if the subreddits are good, what can be bad about reddit | 13:44 |
| kanzure | the subreddits are not good | 13:45 |
| kanzure | that is what is nonsense about "but the subreddits are good" | 13:45 |
| justanotheruser | I'm addressing that that argument doesn't make sense | 13:45 |
| kanzure | yes, the one you think i made does not seem to make sense | 13:45 |
| justanotheruser | I don't think you made it. It was in quotes | 13:45 |
| kanzure | and now i am too confused and disinterested | 13:45 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 13:46 |
| kanzure | i also don't have data to convince you with | 13:46 |
| justanotheruser | I know reddit is shit 99.9% of the tim | 13:46 |
| justanotheruser | there are 2 good subreddits I know of (bitcoin obviously not one of them) | 13:46 |
| nmz787_i | reddit has always been low-activity IMO | 13:47 |
| nmz787_i | but I only look in a few places there | 13:47 |
| justanotheruser | I can see yc going the way of reddit in the next 5 years | 13:47 |
| kanzure | i hope you mean hacker news | 13:48 |
| justanotheruser | yes, the VC guys will probably still be fine | 13:48 |
| nmz787_i | you mean that kanzure will hate it too in 5 years? | 13:48 |
| justanotheruser | nmz787_i: yes, my metric for a sites value is kanzure points | 13:48 |
| kanzure | ~/local/jotmuch/jotmuch$ ./jot count | 13:48 |
| kanzure | 2464 | 13:48 |
| justanotheruser | Which is why I'm building a website dedicated to ameteurs speculating about the cool stuff we will have in the future | 13:49 |
| kanzure | why speculators | 13:50 |
| justanotheruser | because futurology | 13:50 |
| kanzure | that's just futurism. futurism doesn't work. | 13:50 |
| kanzure | the only way to predict the future is to invent it | 13:50 |
| justanotheruser | sorry, that was sarcasm | 13:50 |
| justanotheruser | anyways, am I not gonna be able to eat bananas soon? | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i haven't been tracking that, it sounds plausible | 13:51 |
| justanotheruser | thats so sad | 13:51 |
| justanotheruser | humanities greatest fruit.. gone | 13:51 |
| justanotheruser | is the virus banana exclusive? | 13:52 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: if you want to get people excited, i think you should appeal to their greed ("someone is going to become very very wealthy making <x> work") | 13:52 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I was joking. I know how much you enjoy futurology | 13:52 |
| kanzure | <3 | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | does git reset --hard HEAD^ remove uncommitted changes? | 13:52 |
| kanzure | it depends on what you mean by remove | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | google told me it would only uncommit the last commit | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | but now the files I'd modified are gone! | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | reset I guess | 13:53 |
| kanzure | if you have run that command and you regret it, you should recover the commit from git reflog | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | i never committed the changed | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | changes | 13:53 |
| kanzure | if you want the changes to appear in your working directory then you need to use --soft | 13:53 |
| kanzure | instead of --hard | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | I already lost the files | 13:53 |
| kanzure | git reflog man | 13:54 |
| kanzure | you're not listening | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | I think I can ctrl-z in sublime text | 13:54 |
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| kanzure | why does nobody listen | 13:54 |
| kanzure | aaaaaa | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | c861372 HEAD@{0}: checkout: moving from assigner_debugging to master | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | c861372 HEAD@{1}: checkout: moving from master to assigner_debugging | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | c861372 HEAD@{2}: reset: moving to HEAD^ | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | 9e6a85c HEAD@{3}: commit: added file needed for recently added symbol unit-test | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | that top of reflog | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | but it says nothing about the uncommitted files that I'd modified | 13:55 |
| kanzure | when you say uncommitted do you mean you committed and then reverted? | 13:55 |
| nmz787_i | no | 13:55 |
| nmz787_i | i never committed | 13:55 |
| kanzure | ouch | 13:56 |
| nmz787_i | i commited that unittest file, but I was not up-to-date, so I couldn't push | 13:56 |
| kanzure | did you `git add`? | 13:56 |
| nmz787_i | no | 13:56 |
| kanzure | double ouch | 13:56 |
| kanzure | you can always push even if you're not up-to-date by pushing to a different branch | 13:56 |
| nmz787_i | ctrl-z and saving all the files in my text-editor it is | 13:56 |
| kanzure | git push origin whateverlocalname:some-novel-remote-branch-name | 13:56 |
| kanzure | also i recommend looking at git stash and git stash apply | 13:57 |
| nmz787_i | git needs a dumber-person compaitibility-layer | 13:57 |
| kanzure | it probably warned you | 14:00 |
| kanzure | if it did not warn you that you were about to blow away your working directory changes then that is a legitimate bug | 14:00 |
| kanzure | one reason why it may not warn you about those changes being blown away is if you had already used git add on them... in which case, you can still recover those files using git reflog. | 14:01 |
| nmz787_i | no I didn't git add them | 14:11 |
| nmz787_i | because I hadn't branched | 14:11 |
| * nmz787_i needs to get into the habit of branching soon | 14:11 | |
| kanzure | sometimes when i forget that i haven't saved my changes i often save a copy of the final version of the file (:w copy2.txt), revert back to where i had done the first feature and save the file to the original location, branch, git add, git commit, uno my reversions in my text editor, then delete the changes that were just committed, make a branch from the original branch again, then git add and git commit the changes | 14:14 |
| kanzure | of course, that's only if the features are logically separate and unrelated. otherwise, i will just keep the changes on the same branch. | 14:14 |
| nmz787_i | basically I was debugging, then someone told me I forgot to commit a file needed by a new unit test I added yesterday | 14:15 |
| nmz787_i | I didn't have anything on git add | 14:16 |
| nmz787_i | but I was also behind master by that point | 14:16 |
| nmz787_i | so when i git added the missing unit-test related file, committed it, then tried to push, it complained i was out of date | 14:16 |
| nmz787_i | which is stupid, because I was adding a file that the repo didn't already have | 14:16 |
| kanzure | why is that stupid? | 14:17 |
| nmz787_i | so IMO I can't tell why it wouldn't take it | 14:17 |
| nmz787_i | well because why should it need to be up-to-date when the file didn't exist in the remote | 14:17 |
| nmz787_i | whether I was up to date or not, that file did not exist in any git repos other than mine | 14:18 |
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| kanzure | you were trying to push the latest commit on your local branch (called 'master' but this does not matter) to the remote repo's branch with the same name | 14:18 |
| kanzure | and it was telling you "no, because your commit does not reference previous commit history" | 14:18 |
| nmz787_i | but it was a totally new file, so I don't see what history it could refer to other than DID NOT EXIST | 14:18 |
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| kanzure | the history of the branch that you were pushing did not include references to previous history the remote repo knew about, which is basically a redaction and a dangerous operation | 14:19 |
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| kanzure | er, not quite a redaction, what's the right concept | 14:19 |
| kanzure | whatever, it's a loss of some kind | 14:19 |
| nmz787_i | redaction makes me think of FOIA | 14:20 |
| kanzure | redactions are supposed to be intentional by some redacting party | 14:20 |
| kanzure | so it's the wrong word for me to be using here | 14:20 |
| nmz787_i | apparently I should learn also to not take the first stackoverflow answer as what I need | 14:21 |
| nmz787_i | reset soft seems like it would have kept those un-added uncommitted files around | 14:21 |
| kanzure | "--soft Does not touch the index file or the working tree at all" | 14:22 |
| nmz787_i | oh, apparently my old roommate made a TCDS machine (he's an EE) and said he's had some success | 14:24 |
| nmz787_i | I heard this last night second-hand from another ex-rommate, so I haven't gotten to scoop from the main man yet | 14:24 |
| night | nmz787_i: is this just like hooking up a couple AAAs to your skull? | 14:25 |
| night | or a bit more sophisticated? | 14:25 |
| nmz787_i | idk, I just emailed him | 14:26 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: would know more | 14:26 |
| kanzure | night: are you asking "what is tcds" or are you asking "is your friend a moron"? | 14:26 |
| nmz787_i | or maybe ParahSailin or ThomasEgi | 14:26 |
| night | kanzure: I see articles every few months about another idiot hooking up batteries to their skulls in varying configurations and claiming superhuman abilities | 14:27 |
| night | and as I understand it this has been going on for centuries | 14:28 |
| kanzure | i have not seen any claims of superhuman abilities, if you could provide those i would be amused greatly | 14:28 |
| kanzure | hmm i'm not sure if centuries is true, perhaps one century at least | 14:28 |
| night | lol | 14:28 |
| kanzure | anyway, i think that it is possible that electrical stimulation is occurring, though i am not convinced anyone has figured out useful targetting | 14:28 |
| nmz787_i | hmm http://hackaday.com/2015/01/23/real-world-adblock/ | 14:28 |
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| kanzure | "Readers who find Figure II puzzling should recall that a diagram of an imaginary axis must, of course, itself be imaginary." | 14:48 |
| kanzure | https://soundcloud.com/cjart/stardust-cj-arts-hypnotic-breaks-mix-mistique-music | 14:56 |
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| kanzure | also these: | 15:01 |
| kanzure | https://soundcloud.com/suffusedmusic/cmr001-cj-art-immersion-disk-i | 15:01 |
| kanzure | https://soundcloud.com/suffusedmusic/cmr001-cj-art-immersion-disk-ii | 15:02 |
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| kanzure | "if you do not know the present, how can you claim to know the future" well, hm | 15:36 |
| kanzure | hehe a babylon5 quote hah | 15:37 |
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| narwh4l | hi everyone | 15:57 |
| kanzure | hello | 16:00 |
| the8thbit|work | hello | 16:01 |
| nmz787_i | what's the best mailing list etiquette guide? | 16:05 |
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| kanzure | hey look they find DPR's tumblr | 16:10 |
| kanzure | *found | 16:10 |
| kanzure | blah. let me try again. | 16:10 |
| kanzure | hey look they found DPR's tumblr account | 16:11 |
| kanzure | "Everybody knows. I am so screwed guys." | 16:11 |
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| narwh4l | Link kanzure ? | 16:11 |
| narwh4l | kanzure, also any links on attempts to build contracting on top of btc would be appreciated | 16:13 |
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| narwh4l | (not theory) | 16:14 |
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| kanzure | narwh4l: i think that is a question better suited to #bitcoin-wizards | 16:18 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: perhaps https://github.com/Blockstream/contracthashtool | 16:18 |
| nmz787_i | DPR or DPRK? | 16:19 |
| narwh4l | Dread Pirate | 16:19 |
| narwh4l | The trial is going on now | 16:19 |
| * nmz787_i knows little more about this than what you just said | 16:19 | |
| kanzure | he kept a journal | 16:19 |
| nmz787_i | he was the mt gox person and also silk road creator? | 16:20 |
| kanzure | where he mixed up his personal life and DPR | 16:20 |
| kanzure | it's hilarious | 16:20 |
| kanzure | "okay so today i learned php/mysql" | 16:20 |
| kanzure | "today i blabbed to a girl i liked that i am the greatest druglord of all time" | 16:20 |
| chris_99 | haha, is it public? | 16:20 |
| kanzure | court records yo | 16:21 |
| chris_99 | ahh | 16:21 |
| kanzure | i think someone has uploaded a few | 16:21 |
| kanzure | i don't have a link at the moment | 16:21 |
| narwh4l | greatest druglord of all time, please | 16:21 |
| narwh4l | haha | 16:21 |
| narwh4l | kanzure, are you on doj.gov? | 16:22 |
| narwh4l | can't find anything | 16:22 |
| nmz787_i | huh, rhino3d student version can be used for commercial projects | 16:38 |
| nmz787_i | that is indeed cool | 16:38 |
| nmz787_i | "RhinoScript is a scripting tool based on Microsoft's VBScript language. With RhinoScript, you can quickly add functionality to Rhino, or automate repetitive tasks." | 16:38 |
| nmz787_i | ew | 16:38 |
| nmz787_i | oh, huh, this exists too "Rhino.Python (RhinoCommon)" | 16:39 |
| nmz787_i | http://wiki.mcneel.com/developer/pythonandrhinocommon | 16:39 |
| nmz787_i | 'Many of the features that once could only be done in a .NET plug-in can now be done in a python script' | 16:40 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: nah, i literally don't have the link | 16:42 |
| kanzure | narwh4l: name a better drug lord. like which one am i supposed to be rooting for if not DPR? | 16:43 |
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| nmz787_i | DPR in the DPRK | 16:44 |
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| * nmz787_i waits for that movie to come out next year | 16:44 | |
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| kanzure | good overview of the various confusions around conventions for what gets to be called a 0day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8937863 | 17:01 |
| narwh4l | kanzure, escobar | 17:07 |
| narwh4l | he's dead but | 17:07 |
| narwh4l | > DPR | 17:08 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 17:08 |
| narwh4l | kanzure, I'm sure there are a lot of s. american drug kings worth more than DPR currently alive | 17:13 |
| narwh4l | probably chinese as well | 17:13 |
| kanzure | oh i'm sure | 17:13 |
| kanzure | yeah it's not because of the money, although he did earn a substantial amount | 17:14 |
| narwh4l | You _could_ probably say he was the most peaceful drug lord ever | 17:14 |
| kanzure | well, i was oging to claim something about bloodshed, but in general i'm sure there are many druglords who haven't killed or paid for any hits either | 17:14 |
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| nmz787_i | golden triangle yo | 17:18 |
| justanotheruser | narwh4l: as a ratio of drugs transmitter per persons killed? | 17:19 |
| narwh4l | justanotheruser, yeah, if you did a ratio I think DPR's would be pretty decent | 17:20 |
| justanotheruser | Well I guess he didn't kill anyone, he just thought he killed someone | 17:20 |
| narwh4l | that's an interesting point | 17:20 |
| narwh4l | Ok, so he might have a perfect score | 17:20 |
| nmz787_i | idk wasn't silk road only around for a few years | 17:20 |
| justanotheruser | infinity | 17:20 |
| narwh4l | hah | 17:20 |
| nmz787_i | there's no way a bunch of nerds spiked the worldwide drug consumption | 17:20 |
| justanotheruser | I'm sure there's plenty a dealers that don't hurt anyone with a score of infinity | 17:21 |
| narwh4l | well, really it would be 0/#sales | 17:21 |
| nmz787_i | now compare 'dealers' ratio to big-pharma | 17:21 |
| justanotheruser | being a druglord probably involves killing a few people, unless you have a power monopoly | 17:21 |
| justanotheruser | nmz787_i: does big pharma kill people? | 17:21 |
| nmz787_i | duh | 17:22 |
| kanzure | right, just because they are classified as criminals by the government doesn't mean they are actually criminals | 17:22 |
| kanzure | so i suspect there are people who are not DPR who have not murdered | 17:22 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: crime is defined by the government | 17:22 |
| justanotheruser | nmz787_i: how? | 17:22 |
| nmz787_i | either giving you bad shit, or holding back the good shit | 17:22 |
| kanzure | however, are there that many code-slinging, tor-using druglords amassing that much capital? | 17:22 |
| justanotheruser | nmz787_i: taking bad shit is your decision, holding back the good shit is the FDAs decision | 17:23 |
| kanzure | unfortunately things are not that black and white | 17:24 |
| kanzure | i mean, the FDA would like to think so | 17:24 |
| kanzure | they think it be like it do but it ain't | 17:24 |
| justanotheruser | in what way? | 17:24 |
| kanzure | for an organization such as the FDA the optimal strategy is deny everything | 17:24 |
| kanzure | *reject everything | 17:24 |
| kanzure | or nearly optimal, i mean | 17:25 |
| kanzure | another important part of that strategy is increase the costs and friction for anyone to apply/waste their time | 17:25 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/fda | 17:25 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: Is it illegal for me to make and use my own prosthetic? Or is it just to sell or give it to someone else? | 17:27 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if there is any relevant case law | 17:27 |
| kanzure | as far as i know, there is no specific law making that illegal | 17:27 |
| kanzure | however, there may be some law regarding the manufacture of medical devices without prescriptions, i dunno | 17:27 |
| kanzure | assume the worst my friend | 17:27 |
| kanzure | (and then do it anyway) | 17:28 |
| justanotheruser | Is heroin good for ADD? | 17:28 |
| kanzure | never tried | 17:28 |
| kanzure | gwern might know | 17:29 |
| justanotheruser | heh | 17:29 |
| justanotheruser | Well I don't have any need for prosthetics atm | 17:30 |
| justanotheruser | Are you ever worried the FDA will get mad at you and send people to take your food and drugs? | 17:30 |
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| kanzure | kuniholm runs an open-source prosthetics group for 3d printer enthusiasts | 17:30 |
| kanzure | i think he's ex-military | 17:30 |
| justanotheruser | Since you can cook and farm however you like, isn't it fair to assume you can make whatever medical devices you like as long as you don't give it to others (and it isn't in violation with the DEA)? | 17:31 |
| kanzure | is it fair to assume that, yes, and also it's fair to assume that you should be able to sell anything :P | 17:32 |
| justanotheruser | I can sell anything as long as no one kills or kidnaps | 17:33 |
| kanzure | what are we talking about, again? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | "whether law enforcement, upon finding out and being notified, would be interested in arresting you and pressing charges" ? | 17:33 |
| justanotheruser | you already answered my question | 17:33 |
| justanotheruser | oh maybe you didn't | 17:33 |
| nmz787_i | well you can't really farm how you like | 17:33 |
| nmz787_i | laterz | 17:34 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: don't let worries abut law enforcement stop you from thinking of good ideas | 17:34 |
| * nmz787_i you don't like it, go to Nepal | 17:35 | |
| nmz787_i | there you'll just get in trouble for giving drugs to the wrong cow | 17:35 |
| kanzure | they jut all look so similar | 17:36 |
| kanzure | just | 17:36 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: tell that to Giordano Bruno | 17:36 |
| justanotheruser | but at least hes famous | 17:37 |
| kanzure | is he famous for mistaking cow identities? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | oh | 17:38 |
| justanotheruser | wat | 17:40 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 17:41 |
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| maaku | justanotheruser: only one of the paid hits was fake | 18:14 |
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| justanotheruser | maaku: someone died? | 18:37 |
| nmz787 | neat, I am the only person that resulted in this sub-reddit being 'gilded' http://www.reddit.com/r/opencv/gilded | 19:39 |
| nmz787 | wtf /is/ this? https://www.reddit.com/gold/about | 19:41 |
| kanzure | "del(camera) # shut off camera" | 19:41 |
| kanzure | well that's one way to skin a cat i guess | 19:41 |
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| nmz787 | yeaaa idk it was code the OP posted | 19:46 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: is there an invert operation in python-brlcad? I saw XOR but idk if that could work | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | I can get around my CAD problem a better way than this | 19:48 |
| nmz787 | but not I'm just wondering | 19:48 |
| justanotheruser | nmz787: what is gold? It basically allows you into an exclusive subreddit for premium quality users. | 19:49 |
| nmz787 | i am not logged in now | 19:51 |
| nmz787 | so does that mean the poster just paid reddit, or me, gold? | 19:51 |
| justanotheruser | he paid reddit to give you a gold star | 19:52 |
| justanotheruser | can we delegate goldstars in this channel? | 19:52 |
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| kanzure | yes, however the hplusroadmap central bank of goldstars lost its private key 5 years ago | 19:53 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: it would be cool to have a brlcad (and python)-limited online shell for ppl to use freely | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | like sage math cloud | 19:54 |
| nmz787 | actually, I wonder if we could just convince that guy to install those packages | 19:54 |
| kanzure | use runnable.com | 19:55 |
| kanzure | i don't really want to write a shell for that | 19:55 |
| kanzure | and also, if people want to use their browsers then they should use verbnurbs | 19:55 |
| kanzure | or shapesmithcad | 19:55 |
| kanzure | or tinkercad | 19:56 |
| kanzure | or the one that the verbnurbs guy made | 19:56 |
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| kanzure | https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2tgymg/silk_goxed_how_dpr_used_mtgox_for_hedging_lost_big/ | 19:59 |
| kanzure | "Using recent filings in the trial of Ross Ulbricht, the 2014 leak by hackers of the Mtgox database, and a Mtgox insider, we identify Ulbricht's Mtgox account, the accessing IP, and trades made by it. The account information indicates that SR1 implemented its currency hedging system (intended to prevent vendor losses due to BTC fluctuations) by, starting in July 2011, connecting to Mtgox over the clearnet and trading through a Mtgox ... | 19:59 |
| kanzure | ... account. Surprisingly, it seems that this IP information was not used by the US government investigation to de-anonymize SR1. The bulk of the account seems to have been stolen by a Mtgox or SR1 insider." | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | don't browser shells exist already though? | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | would it be something like a chroot? | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | or vm | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | verbnurbs isn't a shell either | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | it's a library you still run locally | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | i just mean some terminal that only let's you use brlcad binaries and python-brlcad | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | which then gets into how you restrict python usage in general i guess | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | I guess you'd turn off networking access | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | at least | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | runnable doesn't seem like it would be feasible to install brlcad on, and also python-brlcad | 20:03 |
| kanzure | "Specifically, the seizure lists the IP 207.106.6.32. In other words, the SR1 backend server appears to have been connecting over the clearnet to Mtgox for its regular hedging transactions. " | 20:05 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: you would run verbnurbs in the user's browser (just like it's done on verbnurbs.com), probably something like jsfiddle | 20:18 |
| kanzure | nmz787: the modern way to provide arbitrary shells and capabilities to users is through docker containers (which is most likely what runnable.com is doing) | 20:18 |
| kanzure | i wouldn't want to be tasked with restricting python access, but if i had to then i would use google app engine | 20:18 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: any idea why I'm a LeafNode.extractName keyError? on line 152 here http://paste.pound-python.org/show/qOicjvMnUt1MwB7sfPCH/ error trace here http://paste.pound-python.org/show/aWmbdew7O73jqBRu6g31/ | 21:30 |
| nmz787 | why I'm getting a* | 21:31 |
| nmz787 | are underscores not valid in names? | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | oh | 21:35 |
| nmz787 | d;oh | 21:35 |
| nmz787 | I need to pass the dict value in 'brldb_name' | 21:35 |
| nmz787 | :/ now I'm just getting *** Error in `python': free(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000001ab2c90 *** | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | Aborted (core dumped) | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | so I cleaned it up some more, stopped producing cylinders for the screw holes and trying to subtract them... rather just using the 'hole' command... but the hole command isn't working http://paste.pound-python.org/show/n4iU8AL2K0dDRZygyqMN/ | 21:57 |
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| nmz787 | this is what it looks like http://imgur.com/L9k3aSm | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | FYI this is the target part I am working to model http://robocraft.ru/files/datasheet/28BYJ-48.pdf | 22:02 |
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| nmz787 | oh, yay! I was not passing an in-scope variable for the db-name in the final combination! | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: why was line 82 in http://paste.pound-python.org/show/n4iU8AL2K0dDRZygyqMN/ not throwing a readable python error? It was emitting: *** Error in `python': free(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000001865960 ***Aborted (core dumped) | 23:08 |
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