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| archels | kanzure: cheers | 02:27 |
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| kanzure | hmph | 04:49 |
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| pink_vampire | hi | 05:06 |
| kanzure | yes? | 05:12 |
| pink_vampire | first time here.. | 05:18 |
| pink_vampire | sounds like a very cool place. | 05:18 |
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| pink_vampire | kanzure: ? | 05:31 |
| kanzure | what? | 05:31 |
| fenn | hi pink_vampire | 05:32 |
| pink_vampire | hi fenn | 05:33 |
| fenn | i'm sort of curious how you ended up here | 05:34 |
| pink_vampire | I like biology | 05:34 |
| pink_vampire | and I'm also in to meta working.. | 05:35 |
| pink_vampire | fenn: ^ | 05:35 |
| pink_vampire | and I think I remember you from linuxcnc | 05:36 |
| pink_vampire | metal* | 05:36 |
| kanzure | you're not wrong | 05:37 |
| pink_vampire | and you also... | 05:37 |
| pink_vampire | mmm | 05:37 |
| fenn | i am currently trying to find information on the chemistry of sharp cheddar cheese, but this is harder to find than i expected | 05:40 |
| fenn | my understanding was that aged/sharp cheeses had high levels of free amino acids, so they improved flavor the same way MSG does (because they include "natural" MSG) | 05:40 |
| pink_vampire | I'm not in to cheese at alll | 05:41 |
| pink_vampire | lactose intolerance.. | 05:41 |
| fenn | i have this weird numbness/tingling/hypersensitivity thing going on in my hand that i haven't experienced in almost a year, and i've also just eaten sharp cheddar cheese for the first in about the same amount of time, so i'm trying to figure out what's the connection | 05:42 |
| pink_vampire | fenn: do you want to make cheddar cheese? | 05:44 |
| fenn | no | 05:44 |
| fenn | i'm trying to figure out why my hand feels strange | 05:44 |
| pink_vampire | I'm lost | 05:45 |
| fenn | jrayhawk any ideas? | 05:45 |
| kanzure | pink_vampire: i think you have mistaken fenn's messages for statements directed towards you in particular (they aren't) | 05:46 |
| pink_vampire | o-k.. | 05:46 |
| fenn | my problem with the "quinolinic acid endogenous neurotoxin" theory of mental illness is: why doesn't everybody benefit from NMDA antagonists? | 05:47 |
| kanzure | http://blog.agi.io/2015/12/how-to-build-general-intelligence.html | 05:53 |
| fenn | "how to build a general intelligence: lots of boxes and arrows" | 05:55 |
| pink_vampire | lol | 05:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: that's not fair. most agi people have ignored large chunks of neuroanatomy for a very long time. | 05:56 |
| fenn | i don't know what "project AGI"/agi.io is | 05:57 |
| kanzure | looks like some random blog | 05:58 |
| pink_vampire | I need AFM. | 05:59 |
| fenn | all the posts are by "dave rawlinson" | 05:59 |
| c0rw1n | fenn: can you rct it? neeeds placebo cheese that tastes just like the cheddar | 05:59 |
| fenn | c0rw1n: no, but it's an obvious enough effect that i'm not worried about placebo | 06:00 |
| c0rw1n | 'k | 06:00 |
| kanzure | an earlier post mentions a recent (2015) jeff hawkins paper, "Why neurons have thousands of synapses: A theory of sequence memory in neocortex" http://arxiv.org/abs/1511.00083 | 06:00 |
| pink_vampire | http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Low-Cost-Atomic-Force-Microscope-%E4%BD%8E%E6%88%90%E6%9C%AC%E5%8E%9F%E5%AD%90%E5%8A%9B%E9%A1%AF%E5%BE%AE%E9%8F%A1/ | 06:00 |
| kanzure | pink_vampire: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/AFM/ | 06:01 |
| c0rw1n | there are fully interconnected nets... someone should make nets with connections graphs similar to the natural ones also; maybe there are, but in the little subset of papers i stumble across i haven't seen such yet | 06:02 |
| fenn | agi.io has a nice set of topics/tags/labels | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://blog.agi.io/2014/05/thalamocortical-architecture.html | 06:05 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/affogato/cortico-thalamic-circuit | 06:05 |
| kanzure | has svg diagram | 06:05 |
| c0rw1n | Yay | 06:05 |
| archels | that only needs about 9000 more boxes and arrows to approximate actual physiology | 06:05 |
| fenn | i mean these are topics i think are promising areas of research: cortical learning algorithm, general long short-term memory, hierarchical temporal model, memory prediction framework, recurrent neural networks, retina, thalamocortical, visual object recognition | 06:05 |
| fenn | 9 billion | 06:06 |
| fenn | 19 billion* | 06:06 |
| fenn | "how many squares are on a chess board" | 06:07 |
| kanzure | that's a very nihilist approach | 06:07 |
| archels | a finite number | 06:07 |
| kanzure | plus, you already know that human brain matter seems to do interesting things even when forced into very small volumes or weird shapes (hydrocephaly) | 06:07 |
| fenn | the answer is greater than 64 | 06:07 |
| kanzure | yes i'm aware that the answer is greater than 64 -_- | 06:08 |
| fenn | most people aren't aware | 06:08 |
| archels | if you're the person painting them on, you might say 32 | 06:08 |
| kanzure | what's a quick way to stitch up the cognitive consilience google map tiles | 06:09 |
| kanzure | something something imagemagick, right? | 06:09 |
| fenn | google says 204 www.teachingideas.co.uk/maths/chess.htm | 06:09 |
| fenn | "the 8th pyramid number" | 06:09 |
| fenn | what pyramid number is around 19 billion? | 06:10 |
| fenn | i watched "computer chess" and was thoroughly disappointed. kanzure you should be ashamed for being from the same city this film was produced :D | 06:11 |
| kanzure | austin has many terrible film people. | 06:11 |
| kanzure | montage -border 0 -geometry 16384x -tile 64x48 8-*.jpg final.jpg | 06:14 |
| kanzure | montage -border 0 -geometry 16384x -tile 1x48 8-1-*.jpg final.jpg | 06:14 |
| kanzure | grr... | 06:14 |
| kanzure | montage -border 0 -geometry 512x -tile 1x2 8-31-6.jpg 8-31-7.jpg testing-0001.jpg | 06:16 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/c_all/tiles/testing-0001.jpg | 06:16 |
| fenn | python -c "print sum(x**2 for x in range(4000))" | 06:16 |
| fenn | 4000 hierarchical squares have ~21 billion squares total | 06:16 |
| kanzure | .py print sum(x**2 for x in range(4000)) | 06:16 |
| yoleaux | <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8"><title>404 Not Found</title></head><body text=#000000 bgcolor=#ffffff><h1>Error: Not Found</h1><h2>The requested URL <code>/py/print%20sum(x**2%20for%20x%20in%20range(4000))</code> was not found on this server.</h2><h2></h2></body></html> | 06:16 |
| kanzure | dpk! | 06:16 |
| fenn | 4000 levels of hierarchy i mean | 06:17 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i should downsample these tiles before tiling the tiles.... | 06:18 |
| fenn | are you just making a concatenation of a bunch of images? | 06:18 |
| kanzure | cognitive consilience google maps thing | 06:18 |
| kanzure | they did not provide a download of their high-resolution image | 06:18 |
| kanzure | (diagram) | 06:18 |
| kanzure | i was able to get their tiles though | 06:18 |
| kanzure | index of tiles http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/c_all/tiles/ | 06:19 |
| kanzure | each one is 256x256 px | 06:19 |
| JayDugger | Good morning everyone. | 06:19 |
| fenn | oh heh this is a pretty similar problem in that it's a hierarchical set of squares that each contain some square number of squares | 06:20 |
| fenn | a map tile contains a square number of map tiles at a higher zoom level | 06:20 |
| fenn | i would do rows and then columns (or the other way around) instead of trying to figure out montage's tile 64x48 syntax to work and put the images in correct order | 06:24 |
| kanzure | partly this is a RAM problem | 06:25 |
| kanzure | i think my original syntax was correct | 06:25 |
| fenn | i think -geometry 16384x is wrong | 06:25 |
| kanzure | 8-64-48 is the "last" tile. | 06:26 |
| kanzure | oh that parameter is the height, apparently... | 06:26 |
| kanzure | so the value should be 12288 | 06:26 |
| fenn | less than a gigabyte of ram :P | 06:27 |
| kanzure | maybe montage is just very very bloaty | 06:27 |
| fenn | yeah imagemagick is not very optimized | 06:28 |
| kanzure | it's taking more than a few seconds. i'm pretty sure that's unlikely here. | 06:28 |
| kanzure | montage.im6: unable to acquire cache view `No space left on device' @ fatal/cache-view.c/AcquireAuthenticCacheView/121. | 06:28 |
| kanzure | montage -border 0 -geometry 12288x -tile 1x48 8-31-*.jpg testing-0002.jpg | 06:28 |
| kanzure | right.... | 06:28 |
| kanzure | welp i guess i'll write my own pile of shit then | 06:28 |
| juri_ | laser tube imploded. | 06:29 |
| juri_ | damnit. | 06:29 |
| kanzure | switch to solid state lasers | 06:29 |
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| fenn | if i had a laser i'd laser engrave a hallmark "sorry you lost your laser tube" card with just the right mix of sympathy and humor and sagacity | 06:32 |
| fenn | no wait, i wouldn't | 06:33 |
| kanzure | it's widely known that sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their freaking heads were clearly using solid state lasers | 06:33 |
| fenn | or liquid state lasers | 06:33 |
| fenn | or jello-state lasers http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a6503/how-to-make-a-laser-from-a-gin-and-tonic/ | 06:34 |
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| pink_vampire | fenn: you can make laser TEA | 06:39 |
| fenn | yes i've done it | 06:39 |
| fenn | not a cup of tea, but rather some plates of aluminum foil and saran wrap and a high voltage | 06:40 |
| pink_vampire | it's cool! | 06:46 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-diagram.png | 06:48 |
| kanzure | cc archels | 06:48 |
| fenn | large PNG warning! | 06:49 |
| fenn | shouldn't it be a .jpg anyway? | 06:49 |
| kanzure | $ file stitched-diagram.png | 06:49 |
| kanzure | stitched-diagram.png: PNG image data, 2048 x 1536, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced | 06:49 |
| fenn | it was made from .jpg tiles | 06:50 |
| kanzure | 70 MB source image (for the love of god don't open this) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-mega-hyper-diagram.png | 06:50 |
| fenn | it should be a 15MB jpg... | 06:50 |
| kanzure | i wrote this for stitching http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitch.py | 06:51 |
| kanzure | seems that converting from jpg to png is a possible thing | 06:51 |
| fenn | no that's a bad thing to do | 06:51 |
| fenn | bad bad bad | 06:51 |
| * kanzure grumbles and untars the tiles again.... | 06:51 | |
| kanzure | 11 MB source image http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-mega-hyper-diagram.jpg | 06:55 |
| kanzure | 0.5 MB http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/stitched-diagram.jpg | 06:55 |
| fenn | shit i opened it :( | 06:56 |
| kanzure | RIP fenn's computer | 06:57 |
| fenn | thrash thrash | 06:57 |
| fenn | hitting your swap limit is always fun | 06:58 |
| kanzure | i can resize smaller if anyone wants | 06:58 |
| fenn | stitched-diagram.jpg contains all the relevant information in the bigger one | 06:59 |
| fenn | but it's probably worth keeping both files | 06:59 |
| poppingtonic | I'm running htop as I open that image. Whoa. | 07:00 |
| kanzure | here's a legend, | 07:00 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/images/defineplace.png | 07:00 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/images/circuitplace.png | 07:01 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/images/detailplace.png | 07:01 |
| kanzure | not sure about the abbreviations like T07 etc... | 07:01 |
| kanzure | those shortcodes don't appear in this file http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/fusiontables/2172063.dat.txt | 07:02 |
| kanzure | 2172063.dat.txt seems to have coordinates for where to put information markers | 07:02 |
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| kanzure | oh actually, it seems that i did not get all of the fusiontable data | 07:05 |
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| kanzure | i think this is everything (1 MB) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/cognitiveconsilience/fusiontables/2120514.dat.txt | 07:26 |
| kanzure | and the "L96" stuff on the image is "first letter of the first author's name, followed by the two-digit year of the publication". | 07:28 |
| kanzure | hmm c_all does not include the axons and projections. i'll have to grab that separately at some point. | 07:34 |
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| kanzure | http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/projects/directed-energy-planetary-defense "DE-STAR or Directed Energy System for Targeting of Asteroids and exploRation is a proposed system to deflect asteroids, comets, and other near Earth objects (NEOS) that pose a credible risk of impact. We propose an orbital planetary defense system capable of heating the surface of potentially hazardous objects to the point of vaporization. DE-STAR is a modular ... | 07:49 |
| kanzure | ... phased array of kilowatt class lasers powered by photovoltaics (PV)." | 07:49 |
| kanzure | asteroid ablation stuff. | 07:49 |
| kanzure | "De-Spinning Asteroids: Using Laser Ablation to Manipulate Asteroid Motion" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Aidan-Gilkes-RMP-Paper-Final-correct-fig-4.pdf | 07:50 |
| kanzure | "Orbital simulations on the deflection of Near Earth Objects by directed energy" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/zhang_spie2015_ASTEROID-r812b.pdf | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "Simulations of directed energy thrust on rotating asteroids" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Griswold_etal_SPIE2015_AsteroidRotation_Paper_R42.pdf | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "Local phase control for a planar array of fiber laser amplifiers" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Steffanic_etal_SPIE2015_PlanarArrayControl_Paper_R02.pdf | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "Space Debris Mitigation Utilizing Laser Ablation" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Final-Draft-Paper.pdf | 07:51 |
| kanzure | "Optical modeling for a laser phased-array directed energy system" http://www.deepspace.ucsb.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hughes_etal_SPIE2014_OpticalSimulation_Paper_R05.pdf | 07:52 |
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| docl | It would be cool if you could use a phased array to print asteroids to make more lasers. | 08:16 |
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| docl | kanzure: did you get a chance to look at this one? http://www.physics.uci.edu/tajima/Ebisuzakietal2015.pdf | 08:51 |
| docl | from http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-12-05.log | 08:52 |
| JayDugger | Thank you for posting those links, kanzure. | 08:52 |
| kanzure | sorta, yes. | 08:54 |
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| FourFire | Hey, anyone who has collections of textbooks, do they have http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Engineering-Mathematics-Erwin-Kreyszig/dp/0470458364/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me= ? | 09:16 |
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| kanzure | "A new empirical constraint on the prevalence of technological species in the universe" (2015) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.08837.pdf | 10:50 |
| jrayhawk | fenn: well, things get arbitrarily screwy with e.g. nmda receptor antibodies | 10:56 |
| kanzure | here is a journal of "science fiction studies" http://www.jstor.org/journal/sciefictstud | 10:59 |
| kanzure | which apparently benford has written for http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5612/sciefictstud.42.issue-1 | 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | .title http://www.nature.com/news/alien-life-could-thrive-in-ancient-star-clusters-1.19124 | 11:01 |
| yoleaux | Alien life could thrive in ancient star clusters : Nature News & Comment | 11:01 |
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| FourFire | invited Patthseeker to the channel, he has some problems he'd like to discuss | 11:21 |
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| atomical | i can give emotional support | 11:54 |
| Pathseeker | whats this channel about | 12:12 |
| kanzure | it's about single-neuron electroporation, tool wrench topology optimization, epistemology, dna synthesis, open-source software, and total world domination. | 12:25 |
| gnusha_ | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d1123255 Bryan Bishop: fix typo in hplusroadmap description >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/hplusroadmap/ | 12:26 |
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| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/hashes/loghashes.003.txt 93cc643753fc0de59acb96c818ad84c80a6b54d4fdf88f29cc265b369edbfa4c | 12:44 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/hplusroadmap-2016-01-07.tar.gz 9a083d7e58cefd90f4a6fac7d29ecdf599e7e86b55a2a18335a23c1ab4805cdd | 12:45 |
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| kanzure | log files: 2008: 277, 2009: 337, 2010: 357, 2011: 362, 2012: 366, 2013: 365, 2014: 365, 2015: 365, 2016: 7 | 12:55 |
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| atomical | kanzure: what's your day job? | 13:16 |
| nmz787_i1 | bitcoin wizard | 13:16 |
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| kanzure | "Homogeneous cosmology with aggressively expanding civilizations" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.4359.pdf | 15:30 |
| kanzure | "On the visible size and geometry of aggressively expanding civilizations at cosmological distances" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.01521.pdf | 15:32 |
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| docl | xentrac: http://www.jove.com.sci-hub.io/video/4299/fabricating-metamaterials-using-the-fiber-drawing-method | 15:48 |
| docl | .title | 15:52 |
| yoleaux | Fabricating Metamaterials Using the Fiber Drawing Method | Protocol | 15:52 |
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| docl | the shrink indium wire to 10 micrometers, with plastic preforms. | 15:56 |
| kanzure | various doi prefixes https://gist.github.com/TomDemeranville/8699232 | 16:18 |
| kanzure | halp i have dropped into the weird area of the internet again | 16:25 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/santex/AI-MicroStructure | 16:25 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/santex/micro-biological | 16:26 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/santex/micro-neuro/tree/master/json | 16:26 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i1: pffft "Nothing is really off-topic unless it is obviously non-productive." | 16:41 |
| nmz787_i1 | :D I wasn't sure how to word it better, so I figured I'd better get back to paying work | 16:46 |
| nmz787_i1 | if it doesn't propel humanity forward, it isn't productive and therefore not for ##hplusroadmap | 16:47 |
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| docl | "A centimetre-sized preform is assembled by stacking indium wires surrounded by Zeonex29 (a polymer with low absorption at terahertz frequencies) into a hollow polymethyl methacrylate (PMMA) tube. This is heated and drawn to fibre, forming a tapered transition region where the polymer is viscous and the metal is liquid. The end product is a fibre containing a long continuous array of metal microwires. | 17:51 |
| docl | The fibre can be cut into a large number of smaller length devices." | 17:51 |
| docl | http://sci-hub.io/10.1038/ncomms3706 | 17:51 |
| docl | .title http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131028/ncomms3706/full/ncomms3706.html | 17:53 |
| yoleaux | Metamaterial fibres for subdiffraction imaging and focusing at terahertz frequencies over optically long distances : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group | 17:53 |
| vicarion | so what are we going to use them for? seeing through clothes? | 17:56 |
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| docl | it seems to be a relatively cheap vector for bootstrapping nanofactories, for one thing | 18:00 |
| docl | with plastic fibers, you don't need as much heat as with glass. if you could get away with a shorter style of drawing tower, it would be roughly as difficult as a reprap or similar plastic extrusion based 3d printer. | 18:06 |
| docl | they use indium for the wire. I wonder if solder would work just as well? | 18:09 |
| docl | (I'm assuming you need a core with a lower melting point than the plastic.) | 18:32 |
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| kanzure | "Multimodal optogenetic neural interfacing device fabricated by scalable optical fiber drawing technique" https://www.osapublishing.org/ao/abstract.cfm?uri=ao-54-34-10068 | 19:12 |
| kanzure | "Enhancement of magnetic resonance imaging with metasurfaces" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.01411.pdf | 19:18 |
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| xentrac | I just wrote a super-simple 2-d K-means visualization: http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/81hacks/kmeans/ | 20:29 |
| xentrac | oops, wrong channel! sorry | 20:30 |
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| vicarion | a bit off topic, what's the best way to search all the psych and sociology literature at once? | 22:31 |
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