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| fenn | fwiw the donate button was from the petition hosting site, not the brain preservation people | 01:46 |
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| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomnemata | 02:06 |
| Bruns | fenn | 02:10 |
| Bruns | i don't care about notebooks. | 02:10 |
| fenn | these new instruments were immediately used for the constitution of a permanent relationship to oneself -- one must manage oneself as a governor manages the governed, as a head of an enterprise manages his enterprise | 02:10 |
| fenn | Bruns: you don't belong here | 02:10 |
| Bruns | fenn, it was a joke | 02:10 |
| Bruns | take it easy, man | 02:11 |
| Bruns | fenn, how old are you? | 02:12 |
| Bruns | the "growing" an open source CAD system by challenging MMORPG players to enhance the physics simulation capabilities of their world | 02:14 |
| Bruns | you look like such a nice guy, yet you are being a dick | 02:14 |
| Bruns | fenn, does dojo21 mean anything to you? | 02:16 |
| Bruns | fenn you seem stuck up | 02:19 |
| Bruns | http://craphound.com/content/Cory_Doctorow_-_Content.html#24 | 02:19 |
| Bruns | i know you didn't write it but you said it is the reason you don't use facebook | 02:19 |
| Bruns | why are you being all quiet :/ | 02:21 |
| fenn | i got distracted | 02:21 |
| Bruns | ok | 02:21 |
| Bruns | continue being a dick, now | 02:21 |
| fenn | ok | 02:21 |
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| Bruns | fenn does dojo21 mean anything? | 02:22 |
| fenn | yes | 02:23 |
| Bruns | LOL | 02:23 |
| Bruns | no wai | 02:23 |
| Bruns | is it really you? | 02:23 |
| Bruns | haha | 02:23 |
| Bruns | the drawfag? | 02:24 |
| Bruns | haha | 02:24 |
| fenn | drawfag? | 02:24 |
| Bruns | drawfag | 02:24 |
| Bruns | yes | 02:24 |
| fenn | what does that even mean? | 02:24 |
| Bruns | a person who draws | 02:24 |
| Bruns | like a person who sings is a singfag | 02:24 |
| Bruns | people who like science | 02:24 |
| Bruns | scifag | 02:24 |
| fenn | yeah, i draw, it doesn't mean i'm a fag | 02:25 |
| Bruns | its not saying you are a fag | 02:25 |
| Bruns | you are just a drawfag | 02:25 |
| fenn | you have such a way with words | 02:25 |
| fenn | you must be a wordfag | 02:25 |
| Bruns | you like dick | 02:25 |
| Bruns | therefore you are a fagfag | 02:25 |
| Bruns | see? | 02:25 |
| Bruns | it is fun | 02:25 |
| Bruns | i thought you, dojo21, the drawfag would know this | 02:26 |
| Bruns | unless you are trying to act like you just now know what a drawfag is | 02:26 |
| Bruns | I doubt it, though | 02:26 |
| jrayhawk | bruns you sound lonely would you like to talk about your hobbies and/or the weather? | 02:27 |
| Bruns | yeah sure | 02:27 |
| jrayhawk | oh good :) | 02:27 |
| Bruns | my hobbies as of right now include sitting in bed | 02:28 |
| Bruns | day 4 of no sleep | 02:28 |
| jrayhawk | this sounds like a self-destructive hobby | 02:28 |
| Bruns | sitting in bed because it is night, otherwise i would be doing something | 02:28 |
| Bruns | later i will pick up a new hobby | 02:28 |
| Bruns | i will call it eating | 02:28 |
| Bruns | then digest the hobby and create a revolutionary one, pooping | 02:29 |
| Bruns | it is a fullproof system that everyone will use | 02:29 |
| Bruns | also i cant tell you the weather because it is dark out | 02:30 |
| Bruns | but if i had to guess i would say mildly windy with a slight chance of rain | 02:30 |
| Bruns | jrayhawk, what do you do? | 02:31 |
| jrayhawk | i administrate systems and occasionally try to program and then regret trying to program | 02:31 |
| Bruns | that is your hobby? | 02:32 |
| jrayhawk | everything is a hobby to me | 02:32 |
| Bruns | lol nuh uh | 02:32 |
| Bruns | i bet breathing isn't a hobby | 02:32 |
| Bruns | is it heff? | 02:32 |
| jrayhawk | i also have an abusive relationship with a porsche | 02:32 |
| Bruns | i beat my H3 up a lot | 02:32 |
| jrayhawk | it keeps beating me and i keep coming back to repair it :( | 02:33 |
| Bruns | good thing i have the jag on the side, though lol | 02:33 |
| Bruns | the first time i got my H3 i did donuts in this girls yard | 02:33 |
| jrayhawk | this sounds like another self-destructive hobby | 02:33 |
| Bruns | how is that self destructive? | 02:33 |
| Bruns | I was destroying her yard, not mine lol | 02:34 |
| jrayhawk | tearing down relationships, putting self at legal risk | 02:34 |
| Bruns | >no law where i live | 02:34 |
| Bruns | >no relationship with the girl | 02:34 |
| jrayhawk | do you live in the ocean | 02:34 |
| Bruns | i live in the backwoods | 02:34 |
| fenn | wow now i really want you to go away | 02:34 |
| Bruns | boon county WV | 02:35 |
| fenn | preferably off a cliff in your H3 | 02:35 |
| Bruns | fenn, shut up you look like a tool in your photo | 02:35 |
| Bruns | lol | 02:35 |
| jrayhawk | bruns just needs a friend :( | 02:35 |
| Bruns | D: | 02:35 |
| Bruns | jray b muh fran D: | 02:35 |
| jrayhawk | someday i would like to learn to machine stuff but i am not really very motivated | 02:36 |
| Bruns | also no jray, I am a cynicist | 02:36 |
| jrayhawk | i should find a project that requires it | 02:36 |
| Bruns | machine stuff? like a toaster? | 02:36 |
| jrayhawk | i guess i could machine a toaster but i think i have enough toasters so it is not really much of a motivation | 02:37 |
| Bruns | microwave | 02:37 |
| jrayhawk | microwave waveguides would be fun | 02:38 |
| Bruns | i don't know about waveguides, but those damn buttons are almost impossible to figure out | 02:38 |
| jrayhawk | sounds like the basis for a creepy raytheon contract or something | 02:38 |
| Bruns | 1-9?! THE OPTIONS ARE ENDLESS! | 02:38 |
| jrayhawk | a raytheon anti-riot microwave gun would perhaps have a "baked potato" button | 02:41 |
| Bruns | or you could just use it to cook ramen noodles | 02:41 |
| jrayhawk | subversives would show up at your embassy and you could cook their ramen for them | 02:42 |
| Bruns | or i could go and make prison food | 02:42 |
| jrayhawk | but you should warn them to be careful because ramen bowls can get quite hot when coked! | 02:43 |
| jrayhawk | s/coked/cooked | 02:43 |
| Bruns | you take hot cheatos and put them in a ziplock bag with ramen noodles | 02:43 |
| Bruns | and crush it up | 02:43 |
| Bruns | then you poor some water and flatten it | 02:43 |
| Bruns | use a book or something | 02:43 |
| Bruns | and then you take it out and pour meet on it, like ground beef | 02:43 |
| superkuh | I think you misunderstand the mechanism by which microwave anti-crowd devices work. It is not through a bulk heating mechanism. | 02:43 |
| Bruns | and then poor moor water and the ramen noodle spices | 02:44 |
| Bruns | stir it up | 02:44 |
| Bruns | zap it in the microwave | 02:44 |
| Bruns | WAIT | 02:44 |
| Bruns | I forgot | 02:44 |
| jrayhawk | i admit i may not have thought it through... | 02:44 |
| Bruns | put cheese on it | 02:44 |
| Bruns | THEN zap it | 02:44 |
| Bruns | then put wave chips | 02:44 |
| jrayhawk | this is starting to sound like every meal served at Chilis or Red Robin | 02:45 |
| jrayhawk | i do not know if you have those in whatever crazy lawless land you live in | 02:46 |
| Bruns | lol | 02:46 |
| jrayhawk | they might be too afraid of H3's doing doughnuts on their lawns to open up shop there :( | 02:46 |
| Bruns | its called WV | 02:46 |
| Bruns | look up the movie | 02:46 |
| Bruns | wild wonderful whites of west virginia | 02:46 |
| Bruns | thats where i live lol | 02:48 |
| jrayhawk | i wish i lived in a movie | 02:48 |
| Bruns | yah its nice, 2 dimensions, you never get old | 02:49 |
| Bruns | if your life ends they just start it over again | 02:49 |
| Bruns | i hate it when people make me yell though....its not my fault they cant hear worth a damn | 02:49 |
| jrayhawk | i hope my life doesn't end during the movie because then i would die over and over again | 02:49 |
| jrayhawk | it would get rather tedious | 02:49 |
| Bruns | yeah, the kid in my head who plays me as a videogame is fucking obnoxious | 02:50 |
| Bruns | he is fat, never cleans his room, and is always yelling at his mom to get more chocolate milk | 02:50 |
| jrayhawk | is he always getting cheeto dust in the controller | 02:50 |
| Bruns | what? | 02:51 |
| Bruns | are you retarded? | 02:51 |
| Bruns | cheetos only exist in the game | 02:51 |
| Bruns | they are illegal in his country | 02:51 |
| jrayhawk | oh | 02:51 |
| jrayhawk | how sad for him :( | 02:51 |
| Bruns | yeah | 02:51 |
| Bruns | the worst irony of it | 02:51 |
| Bruns | his country | 02:51 |
| Bruns | is CALLED CHEETO | 02:52 |
| jrayhawk | oh no they will never understand the error of their ways | 02:52 |
| Bruns | i know | 02:52 |
| Bruns | DAMN YOU COMMUNIST CHINA | 02:53 |
| * Bruns shakes fist with pure rage | 02:53 | |
| Bruns | WHEN WILL YOU LEARN YOU ARE A CHEETO?! | 02:53 |
| jrayhawk | perhaps you can break out of your constraints and enter his world like in the matrix, and save his world with cheetos like in the matrix | 02:53 |
| Bruns | yo dawg | 02:54 |
| Bruns | i put a reality in your reality so you can be real while your real | 02:54 |
| Bruns | oh lawds | 02:54 |
| Bruns | also | 02:55 |
| Bruns | i cant leave this reality to go into his because i am made up of the same thing this reality is made of | 02:55 |
| Bruns | to leave this reality i would have to be made up of gravitons :/ | 02:56 |
| Bruns | and never trust a graviton | 02:56 |
| Bruns | one minute they are there.....next they are gone | 02:56 |
| Bruns | just like this fucking kid did the other day | 02:56 |
| Bruns | i ask him to hold my wallet and turned around | 02:56 |
| Bruns | and he VANISHED | 02:56 |
| jrayhawk | vanishing is something ghosts do perhaps he was a ghost? | 02:57 |
| Bruns | no.... | 02:57 |
| Bruns | it was dark | 02:57 |
| Bruns | and he was black | 02:57 |
| * Bruns ba da ts | 02:57 | |
| jrayhawk | maybe it was a ghost in front of something black so you looked at the ghost and saw black and assumed he was black | 02:58 |
| jrayhawk | but really it was just an optical illusion!!! | 02:59 |
| Bruns | omg, it was phone | 02:59 |
| Bruns | i had better tell the others | 02:59 |
| Bruns | who phone was | 02:59 |
| jrayhawk | oh no not phone | 02:59 |
| jrayhawk | who is phone | 02:59 |
| Bruns | THATS MY POINT | 03:00 |
| Bruns | WHO WAS PHONE?! | 03:00 |
| Bruns | and you answered it | 03:00 |
| jrayhawk | perhaps we can dedicate an institution to the study of phone | 03:00 |
| jrayhawk | we will be hooked on phoneics | 03:01 |
| Bruns | im already hooked on phoneics | 03:01 |
| jrayhawk | i have missed the boat! | 03:01 |
| Bruns | the episode of "intervention" on me and my struggle with phoneics will be on next week | 03:01 |
| Bruns | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/then-who-was-phone | 03:02 |
| jrayhawk | hmm it is late i should go to sleep but it was pleasant talking to you and i hope you can get to sleep someday! | 03:02 |
| Bruns | READ MY LINK | 03:02 |
| Bruns | NOW | 03:02 |
| Bruns | before you leave | 03:02 |
| Bruns | por favor | 03:02 |
| Bruns | no me gusta mexicano | 03:02 |
| Bruns | no hablo taco | 03:02 |
| Bruns | si si ^_^ | 03:02 |
| jrayhawk | okay i will do it just for you | 03:03 |
| Bruns | :D | 03:03 |
| * fenn recommends melatonin, half a milligram | 03:03 | |
| Bruns | are you done? | 03:03 |
| fenn | failing that, physical exercise | 03:04 |
| jrayhawk | i suspect this is a meme infinite in scope and that i will never be done | 03:04 |
| * Bruns recommends fenn be nice to bruns because he is mean | 03:04 | |
| Bruns | jray | 03:04 |
| Bruns | WALK INTO ROOM | 03:05 |
| Bruns | PHONES IN BUTT | 03:05 |
| Bruns | WAT DO | 03:05 |
| jrayhawk | sometimes i wonder if 4chan is proof that meme survival is not dictated by fitness | 03:05 |
| Bruns | i hate 4chan | 03:06 |
| Bruns | 4chan is the gay | 03:06 |
| Bruns | it was nice talking jrayhawk | 03:06 |
| Bruns | go to sleep | 03:06 |
| jrayhawk | okay thank you | 03:06 |
| Bruns | you are welcomed | 03:07 |
| Bruns | ...into my home | 03:07 |
| jrayhawk | (i am going to stop responding but this is only because i will be asleep and it is not a judgement on your value as a conversational partner please do not take it personally!) | 03:07 |
| Bruns | :D | 03:08 |
| Bruns | thanks for splaning | 03:08 |
| Bruns | bah | 03:19 |
| Bruns | cant sleep | 03:19 |
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| kanzure | bah | 05:45 |
| kanzure | 'homo transcendis' | 05:45 |
| Bruns | you are gay? | 05:55 |
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| pmetzger | hello, genehacker... | 09:14 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.sciencevsaging.org/en by HASD by the Research Center of Advanced Technologies(?) Moscow | 09:15 |
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| kanzure | http://snarxiv.org/ i don't get it | 09:40 |
| kanzure | http://davidsd.org/2010/03/the-snarxiv/ | 09:40 |
| kanzure | ooh it's a paper generator | 09:41 |
| kanzure | precious: http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/ | 09:41 |
| pmetzger | so far I'm getting them right every time. | 09:44 |
| pmetzger | well, after a while 75% | 09:46 |
| pmetzger | but it is usually possible to guess which is true | 09:46 |
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| pmetzger | 83% with a bit of time. | 09:55 |
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| kanzure | hi shrdlu- | 10:02 |
| shrdlu- | hiya | 10:02 |
| kanzure | we're all playing http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/ at the moment :P | 10:02 |
| shrdlu- | hehe | 10:03 |
| shrdlu- | nice idea | 10:03 |
| shrdlu- | unfortunately I know nothing of physics | 10:03 |
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| niftyzero | may I spam y'all with this again: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/brainpreservation/ ? ;) | 11:25 |
| AJollyLife | i donated to that i think | 11:25 |
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| niftyzero | oh. note that you don't have to donate (donations go to ipetitions, not to the original organization) | 11:31 |
| AJollyLife | i donated to them directly at H+ | 11:31 |
| niftyzero | I didn't know they had donations open... | 11:33 |
| niftyzero | do you have a link handy? | 11:33 |
| AJollyLife | hmm. theres this - http://www.brainpreservation.org/index.php?path=prize but i'm not sure thats actually what i donated to | 11:35 |
| AJollyLife | nope, that is what i donated to | 11:35 |
| niftyzero | I don't see a donation link there... | 11:37 |
| AJollyLife | top left corner | 11:37 |
| niftyzero | doh | 11:38 |
| niftyzero | thanks | 11:38 |
| shrdlu- | you want to preserve the whole brain? | 11:46 |
| shrdlu- | isn't that, overkill? | 11:51 |
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| shrdlu- | like, what do you gain from preserving cerebellum? | 11:53 |
| shrdlu- | and if you're aiming for completeness, why exclude the spine or PNS? | 12:02 |
| niftyzero | what makes you think that the cerebellum doesn't have a large impact on your identity? | 12:05 |
| shrdlu- | the fact that if you remove it, it doesn't alter the cognitive capacity of a human | 12:06 |
| kanzure | niftyzero: the brain preservation prize is not about 'identity' | 12:06 |
| shrdlu- | makes em walk a little funny, have a hard time coordinating, but it doesn't have an effect on other cogntive tasks | 12:06 |
| niftyzero | it's an important milestone in that direction | 12:06 |
| kanzure | niftyzero: leave your weird ideas about 'identity' at the door please | 12:07 |
| shrdlu- | so why stop at the brain, kanzure? | 12:07 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:07 |
| kanzure | oh, for the prize? | 12:07 |
| shrdlu- | yeah | 12:07 |
| kanzure | my original suspicion was that the entire BPP thingy was just so that ken hayworth would have a reason to sell his brain slicin' machine | 12:08 |
| kanzure | i later learned though that it's not his machine | 12:08 |
| kanzure | so honestly i'm just as perplexed as you are :) | 12:08 |
| niftyzero | shrdlu- - well, the feel of my limbs and movement in space is somewhat important to me, so why not preserve that? | 12:08 |
| shrdlu- | because like I said, it's overkill. | 12:08 |
| shrdlu- | cerebellum has more neurons than any other structure in the brain | 12:09 |
| niftyzero | you want to exclude an arbitrary 10% of the brain from preservation? seems counterproductive... | 12:09 |
| kanzure | arbitrary? | 12:09 |
| niftyzero | well, there are all kinds of structures that we could exclude and replace with generic ones on uploading.... amygdala, etc. | 12:10 |
| shrdlu- | I agree | 12:10 |
| niftyzero | but it would change the "look and feel" of the results | 12:10 |
| kanzure | niftyzero: you could "replace" anything you want.. but you have to understand what you're talking about | 12:10 |
| kanzure | do you know what the cerebellum actually is? | 12:10 |
| niftyzero | so just preserve the entire thing - it won't cost extra | 12:10 |
| niftyzero | motor control | 12:11 |
| shrdlu- | so why stop at the brain? | 12:11 |
| niftyzero | well, spine would be nice | 12:11 |
| shrdlu- | plenty of fixed action patterns encoded into the spine | 12:11 |
| shrdlu- | you'd certainly lose a lot of 'feel' without those | 12:12 |
| niftyzero | I agree, I would prefer the spine to be scanned too | 12:12 |
| shrdlu- | kanzure, we can make guesses as to what the cerebellum is | 12:12 |
| kanzure | shrdlu-: was talking to niftyzero | 12:13 |
| kanzure | unless your intention was to say something else? | 12:13 |
| shrdlu- | naw | 12:14 |
| shrdlu- | oh, hm, the stuff I'm reading differentiates between fixed action patterns and spinal reflexes | 12:17 |
| shrdlu- | oh well | 12:17 |
| shrdlu- | can someone who knows neuroscience look at this for me? It doesn't look right to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_cortex#Classification | 12:24 |
| shrdlu- | Based on the differences in lamination the cerebral cortex can be classified into two major groups: | 12:24 |
| shrdlu- | Isocortex (homotypical cortex), the part of the cortex with six layers. | 12:24 |
| shrdlu- | Allocortex (heterotypical cortex) the part of the cortex with less than six layers (varying in number). The allocortex includes the olfactory cortex and the hippocampus. | 12:24 |
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| shrdlu- | "the part of the cortex" <- that suggests that it's all one structure. As far as I'm aware, hippocampal cortex is a different structure? | 12:26 |
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| shrdlu- | That seems to be using 'cerebral cortex' to mean 'brain' | 12:28 |
| shrdlu- | as opposed to neocortex | 12:29 |
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| shrdlu- | cerebral cortex is aka neocortex, right? | 12:31 |
| shrdlu- | it's the cortex/bark to the entire cerebrum | 12:32 |
| kanzure | shrdlu-: here's my understanding of neural anatomy: http://github.com/kanzure/brain/blob/master/human_brain.yaml | 12:32 |
| shrdlu- | that's not understanding, that's a list :p | 12:33 |
| kanzure | it's yaml | 12:33 |
| kanzure | it's a python object that you can navigate, up and down | 12:33 |
| kanzure | like querying for what different regions are called | 12:33 |
| Utopiah | nice | 12:33 |
| kanzure | neuro anatomy seems to go by a thousand and one names | 12:34 |
| shrdlu- | it's not the names that are really important here, it's the failure to differentiate between different structures | 12:34 |
| niftyzero | very nice | 12:34 |
| kanzure | you say pons, i say rhomboencephalon metencephalon anterior structure of the pontine reticular formation. | 12:34 |
| shrdlu- | which is a drastic fault in that section of the wikipedia article if I'm right | 12:34 |
| Utopiah | shrdlu-: WP pages have a discussion page so check, discuss, correct there ideally | 12:35 |
| Utopiah | because if you are right and it's not reflected, then it's a loss for WP | 12:35 |
| shrdlu- | I'd rather have someone tell me I'm not talking crap first. I'm no academic | 12:35 |
| Utopiah | sure, I also meant that if it's doubtful/controversial it might have been already discussed before so the Talk page and the History page have to be checked | 12:37 |
| shrdlu- | "The cerebral cortex is a sheet of neural tissue that is outermost to the cerebrum of the mammalian brain" and "Based on the differences in lamination the cerebral cortex can be classified into two major groups: .... Allocortex (heterotypical cortex) The allocortex includes the olfactory cortex and the hippocampus." | 12:40 |
| shrdlu- | those two statements are contradictory | 12:40 |
| shrdlu- | since neither the hippocampus or the olfactory cortex are outermost to the cerebrum | 12:41 |
| niftyzero | cortex scanning paper - http://www.frontiersin.org/conferences/individual_abstract_listing.php?conferid=770&pap=3275&ind_abs=1&q=194 | 12:45 |
| shrdlu- | yeah, they're talking about neocortex there | 12:46 |
| shrdlu- | several brain structures have cortex | 12:46 |
| niftyzero | there seems to be a large increase in activity on the path to uploading | 12:46 |
| kanzure | increase compared to what? | 12:47 |
| niftyzero | a few years ago | 12:48 |
| niftyzero | but since I'm not in the field, it could be that I'm just looking more closely | 12:49 |
| kanzure | :) | 12:49 |
| kanzure | i think that's the case. | 12:49 |
| kanzure | i.e., you probably didn't know about MURG, 3scan, the emulation roadmaps, etc., before. | 12:49 |
| niftyzero | just found out about murg a week ago | 12:50 |
| niftyzero | they will have a workshop in SF attached to the singularity summit - I plan to attend | 12:50 |
| niftyzero | brb | 12:51 |
| kanzure | they? | 12:51 |
| kanzure | randal's thing? | 12:51 |
| kanzure | i was pretty sure MURG disolved | 12:51 |
| niftyzero | http://www.carboncopies.org/ | 13:00 |
| niftyzero | maybe a continuation of MURG | 13:01 |
| niftyzero | I dropped him a note, and it seems to be on | 13:01 |
| niftyzero | I've been aware of Sandberg/Bostrom's WBE work for awhile | 13:02 |
| niftyzero | also Markham's work looks very interesting | 13:03 |
| Utopiah | they make a talk in few days on XLR8 AFAIR | 13:03 |
| Utopiah | cf http://telexlr8.wordpress.com/2010/07/04/randal-a-koene-on-realistic-routes-to-substrate-independent-minds-teleplace-july-17-10am-pst/ | 13:04 |
| niftyzero | cool | 13:07 |
| kanzure | niftyzero: do you mean markram? | 13:13 |
| kanzure | thanks for carboncopies.org | 13:13 |
| niftyzero | oops, sorry, Markram | 13:14 |
| shrdlu- | I haven't seen markram express an cohesive information processing ideas | 13:14 |
| kanzure | *dissolved | 13:14 |
| shrdlu- | any | 13:14 |
| kanzure | shrdlu-: why would he? | 13:14 |
| shrdlu- | Why would be express them, or why would he have them? | 13:15 |
| kanzure | have them | 13:15 |
| kanzure | :) | 13:15 |
| kanzure | 'The Society of Neural Prosthetics and Whole Brain Emulation' | 13:15 |
| shrdlu- | We does have them, they just don't seem very cohesive | 13:16 |
| shrdlu- | he | 13:16 |
| shrdlu- | he seems to be implying standard computational processing units, when I've seen him talk about it | 13:17 |
| kanzure | are you talking about minicolumns? | 13:17 |
| shrdlu- | I'm talking about the function of minicolumns | 13:18 |
| shrdlu- | I've only seen him say a few lines on it, but his analogy for minicolums was a cpu processor, just lots and lots of them in parallel | 13:19 |
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| shrdlu- | that to me is the same as saying 'I don't have an information processing model' | 13:20 |
| shrdlu- | although I fully accept that was probably dumbed down for a casual audience and he would pwn me verbally if I attempted to challenge him on that ;) | 13:28 |
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| Bruns | wat | 13:29 |
| shrdlu- | saaaay wat | 13:30 |
| Bruns | ok | 13:31 |
| Bruns | wat | 13:31 |
| shrdlu- | he does release a shit load of papers though. You could probably pin down where he's heading, informationally speaking, by reading them | 13:51 |
| shrdlu- | but they're too technical for me | 13:51 |
| Bruns | shrdlu- who are you talking to? | 13:52 |
| kanzure | shrdlu-: i have some markram papers, if you'd like. | 13:53 |
| shrdlu- | jesus, bruns, jesus. | 13:53 |
| shrdlu- | kanzure, I've read some of them. But it's way too dense for me as a non specialist | 13:53 |
| kanzure | okay. if you want to read over them sometime with me, maybe i could make them less cryptic | 13:54 |
| shrdlu- | yah, gimmie a decade or so to get to that level ;) | 13:55 |
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| kanzure | http://www.allaboutopenhardware.com/ txtr, ben nanonote, and a few other things are blogged about. | 14:09 |
| kanzure | 'Dangerous Prototypes · A new open source hardware project every month.' | 14:09 |
| kanzure | ardupilot - an arduino-based autopilot project for UAVs :P | 14:09 |
| Utopiah | ( http://www.opencollector.org/ "I'm old enough to have been a hippy, and let me tell you, the commune never worked" :P ) | 14:13 |
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| kanzure | http://www.cookthing.com/ "cook things using ingredients you already have" | 14:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.recipepuppy.com/ "Recipe Puppy is an ingredient based recipe search engine. Enter your ingredients above or try an example search." | 14:22 |
| kanzure | they have an api? hrm | 14:22 |
| kanzure | eh just a search engine, nevermind | 14:25 |
| kanzure | i was hoping for structured ingredient dependencies | 14:25 |
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| fenn | huh. michael anissimov has a quote in "the singularity is near" | 15:03 |
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| fenn | http://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/emc2.5pre_lenny/linux_cnc_sticker.jpg | 15:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: "the singularity is near" was basically ray kurzweil reading over all of the mailing lists and assembling content :) | 15:13 |
| kanzure | also, i've updated ~bryan/meetlog/ | 15:14 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/positions.html | 15:14 |
| kanzure | ^a list of "positions" that people i know hold | 15:14 |
| QuantumG | heh, I thought it was going to be a list of memes they support | 15:18 |
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| kanzure | hi ENKI-][ | 15:22 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i could do that too :) | 15:23 |
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| kanzure | okay, more useless data uploaded | 15:26 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tag_counts/?C=S;O=D | 15:26 |
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| kanzure | this one shows who talks about certain tags the most frequently | 15:27 |
| kanzure | for instance, on diybio: | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 5: andrew hessel | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 5: cathal garvey | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 5: brian degger | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 5: elizabeth buschmann | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 6: dave rauchwerk | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 6: joseph jackson | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 10: nathan mccorkle | 15:27 |
| kanzure | 13: Mackenzie Cowell | 15:27 |
| Bruns | 14. Bruns Genus | 15:27 |
| Bruns | :D | 15:27 |
| kanzure | i'm afraid not | 15:28 |
| kanzure | Bruns: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt is the data set | 15:28 |
| Bruns | D: | 15:28 |
| Bruns | can i get on thur? | 15:28 |
| kanzure | you already are | 15:28 |
| kanzure | i just haven't uploaded in a few days | 15:28 |
| Bruns | upload it nao D: | 15:29 |
| kanzure | and don't have a daily sync setup on it (meh) | 15:29 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: do you get notifications on keywords? like when (X says termA termB termC) displays (linkA1 linkB2 linkZ4) ? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | i don't understand your example | 15:31 |
| Utopiah | max more: ["extropy-chat", "science fiction"] | 15:31 |
| kanzure | that's the set of things that we were talking about | 15:32 |
| Utopiah | would do a search on http://designfiles.org/~bryan/* for those keywords, return links, propose to share with max more | 15:32 |
| kanzure | ah | 15:32 |
| kanzure | no, i am not presently doing that | 15:32 |
| kanzure | honestly it feels like i'm not capturing a lot of data here | 15:32 |
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| kanzure | i mean, is this really the extent of the list of people that i talk with about diybio? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tag_counts/diybio.html | 15:33 |
| kanzure | /that's all/?? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | i guess that's 210 people.. but still. | 15:35 |
| fenn | time to start wearing audio recording devices | 15:41 |
| ENKI-][ | quick idea: extremely high order hmms using phonemes as tokens, listening to talk radio | 15:44 |
| fenn | and? | 15:45 |
| ENKI-][ | skip the text step? | 15:45 |
| ENKI-][ | might be interesting. but i have a lot of free time | 15:45 |
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| kanzure | hi danielfalck | 15:47 |
| danielfalck | hi kanzure | 15:48 |
| danielfalck | how are things | 15:48 |
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| kanzure | they go well | 15:48 |
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| kanzure | hi asdtoob | 15:49 |
| asdtoob | think.. they are the resident linkin park.. i dont have the right areas.. | 15:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: qualitatively, it feels like i'm talking to more people than the data is saying i am | 15:50 |
| kanzure | i don't want to call it an impedance mismatch | 15:50 |
| kanzure | maybe there's a red queen's race effect going on in here somewhere | 15:51 |
| fenn | i would be surprised if it were the other way around.. it's easier to forget to enter some data point than to just make stuff up without realizing it | 15:51 |
| kanzure | i find it hard to believe that i've only talked with, say, tito jankowski about diybio three times | 15:53 |
| kanzure | but not only that, but to forget all the other times? | 15:53 |
| kanzure | i mean, it should be much higher than three, even with some 25% forget rate or something | 15:53 |
| fenn | yeah i'm sure we've talked about diybio more than 1 times :P | 15:53 |
| ENKI-][ | kanzure: if asdtoob gets annoying mute him. i don't have many high-coherence high-density chat sources | 15:53 |
| fenn | is asdtoob a bot? | 15:53 |
| asdtoob | thought you meant by that one is you.. .. : <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app (1 more message).. | 15:53 |
| kanzure | asdtoob is probably ENKI-][ as a bot | 15:53 |
| asdtoob | baby.. | 15:54 |
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| fenn | for a second i thought it was bruns with a different name :) | 15:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: not much of a difference between the two | 15:54 |
| ENKI-][ | there are more of asdtoob | 15:54 |
| kanzure | ENKI-][: btw, i've always wondered if nsh is one of your HMMs | 15:54 |
| fenn | aww | 15:54 |
| ENKI-][ | no. nsh is a human, apparently. he once kickbanned me from somewhere for having a bot | 15:55 |
| ENKI-][ | i forget where | 15:55 |
| kanzure | probably swhack | 15:55 |
| kanzure | btw, bots can kickban. | 15:55 |
| asdtoob | Nekobwaah: YOU ARE YOU SO WEIRD.. I just realized something very deep.. | 15:55 |
| kanzure | ENKI-][: yeah let's mute him for now. | 15:55 |
| ENKI-][ | ok | 15:55 |
| fenn | are we training the bot on hplusroadmap logs now? | 15:56 |
| kanzure | ENKI-][: you can also run him over the chat logs if you want | 15:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: get off my brain waves | 15:56 |
| kanzure | get yer own frequency | 15:56 |
| fenn | ouch | 15:56 |
| ENKI-][ | i can't. or, not easily until the codebase is rewritten | 15:56 |
| kanzure | hehe :) | 15:56 |
| ENKI-][ | i've got another bot who will actually happily munch on logs, though | 15:56 |
| ENKI-][ | and i have other uses for logs if you have them | 15:56 |
| kanzure | ENKI-][: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt about 20 MB | 15:56 |
| fenn | i think it would be neat to have various bots that are only trained on one nick | 15:57 |
| ENKI-][ | excellent... all is going according to the scenario | 15:57 |
| * ENKI-][ evil laugh | 15:57 | |
| ENKI-][ | fenn: superkuh has been doing that for years | 15:57 |
| ENKI-][ | greps single nicks out of the logs, reformats them, quickly trains a megahal on them | 15:58 |
| ENKI-][ | i'd be interested in having a good-quality keyboard that will log all my keys and generate an hmm automatically, though | 15:59 |
| ENKI-][ | then maybe let the bot loose on my machine after a dead man's switch goes off or something | 15:59 |
| fenn | btw speaking of meetlogs, this is superb http://theofficeof.feltron.com/ | 15:59 |
| ENKI-][ | live my life until my bills stop being paid | 15:59 |
| AJollyLife | psh. automate bill payment | 16:00 |
| QuantumG | Orson Scott Card's "Empire" is hilarious. I just read a chapter where they send Mechs into NYC | 16:01 |
| fenn | ENKI-][: you could just go on vacation for a while and see how it performs | 16:02 |
| AJollyLife | QuantumG: ill have to get it | 16:06 |
| fenn | continuing here for sake of logging non-repeatingmyself etc | 16:08 |
| fenn | "the internet effect" is a statistical bias whereby topics you are interested in seem more popular/important than they actually are | 16:09 |
| ENKI-][ | AJollyLife: i would also have to automate working for a living. this is slightly more difficult | 16:09 |
| fenn | the reason it exists is because most observations are made actively (i.e. you have to search for that topic) rather than passively (a stranger on the street yells it at you) | 16:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: i don't think we're on the same wavelength, this time | 16:09 |
| kanzure | it's actually the inverse | 16:10 |
| kanzure | the topics don't seem as important as they actually are | 16:10 |
| ENKI-][ | i guess i already use travesty generators for most of my blog posts, but adsense isn't pulling in the dollars | 16:10 |
| kanzure | or, rather, the topics don't seem to have as much of a following as they actually do | 16:10 |
| kanzure | first, it seems that there's a ridiculously large number of people out there in the world who are science grad students, phd students, and postdocs | 16:10 |
| kanzure | second, the barriers to entry on sci/tech stuff is supposedly going down, or at least, some people want it to | 16:10 |
| kanzure | so doesn't this mean a massive influx of talent on "their off time" to doing weird little side projects? | 16:10 |
| kanzure | supposing that some people of that population pool are convinced that it's interesting or clever or worth their time | 16:10 |
| QuantumG | according to Mike Moore, the US intellectual talent pool is being dried up by Wall Street. | 16:11 |
| ENKI-][ | the internet allows you to more easily find things about topics that are obscure and also makes it easier for you to ignore common topics. so, the apparent popularity of things shifts towards the average compared to the actual | 16:11 |
| QuantumG | least sense making thing I think he's ever said :) | 16:11 |
| ENKI-][ | which of course influences the actual | 16:11 |
| ENKI-][ | this is a dynamic feedback system, and is probably why people are making lots of money on plush cthulus | 16:11 |
| kanzure | how do you explain things like the 200,000+ iphone app developers that sprung up by 2008? | 16:12 |
| fenn | QuantumG: makes sense to me.. every time i go to a machine learning meetup somebody is talking about trading strategies, which is a totally useless endeavor if you think about it | 16:12 |
| ENKI-][ | the popularity of anything considered to be fringe tends to increase while the popularity of anything considered to be popular decreases. apple's business plan is mostly to raise the price and attempt to make themselves seem fringe indefinitely | 16:13 |
| kanzure | or how do you explain the ridiculously large number of debian package maintainers? that's a /hard/ technical "hobby" | 16:13 |
| fenn | i live with an ex-cryonics researcher who now works as a programmer for a mutual fund | 16:13 |
| ENKI-][ | people will pay to be part of a tribe that they consider to be coherent and elite | 16:13 |
| ENKI-][ | or at least coherent and small, which amounts to the same thing | 16:14 |
| AJollyLife | people like money? | 16:14 |
| kanzure | bluh where did those stats on the number of PhDs awarded per year in the US go | 16:14 |
| QuantumG | yeah, debian package maintenance is thankless too | 16:14 |
| ENKI-][ | people don't have a particularly good appreciation of money imo, AJollyLife. being an unemployed student, i've gotten quite aware of the fact that i have x amount of money and if i spend it it's gone. so, i don't buy things. most people buy things just to say that they bought them | 16:15 |
| ENKI-][ | or to be part of a club of people who buy similar things | 16:15 |
| QuantumG | I was like that too.. and then I got married.. and now I'm broke without knowing why. Aint life grand? | 16:16 |
| ENKI-][ | this is wonderful for those who don't do this. i can still walk down the street and find perfectly good computer parts by the side of the road | 16:16 |
| AJollyLife | money buys capability | 16:16 |
| ENKI-][ | it sure does. | 16:16 |
| AJollyLife | right now, my money is primarily spent to allow me to go to lots and lots of conventions | 16:16 |
| ENKI-][ | i prefer not to waste it on things i can get for free | 16:17 |
| AJollyLife | and meet fun/smart people :) | 16:17 |
| ENKI-][ | i guess i'm kind of lucky. i am a busride away from yale. for a buck twenty five i can meet smart fun people attending conventions | 16:17 |
| AJollyLife | nice :D | 16:17 |
| fenn | that's how i feel about the bay area | 16:18 |
| fenn | except, ... not yale | 16:18 |
| AJollyLife | i neeeed to move to the bay | 16:18 |
| AJollyLife | i'll move in the next few years i think | 16:18 |
| ENKI-][ | on occasion i wish i could afford airplanes like normal people. i suppose i probably could if i had an income source. but, a one way trip to anywhere costs about three quarters of my life savings | 16:19 |
| AJollyLife | heh, i still managed to go to a fair amount of cons as a broke grad student, but now i go to far more | 16:19 |
| ENKI-][ | okay, more like half. but still | 16:19 |
| AJollyLife | me and my ex had a reputation as those crazy college students at all the hacker cons | 16:20 |
| ENKI-][ | it'd be nice to be a grad student, i think. grad students occasionally get paid a stipend, don't they? | 16:20 |
| QuantumG | try flying from Australia for expensive | 16:20 |
| AJollyLife | yeah, it paid for half my tuition+ a bit more | 16:20 |
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| AJollyLife | QuantumG: that would get expensive fasst | 16:20 |
| AJollyLife | this is why i mostly do us cons | 16:21 |
| AJollyLife | but im going to montreal thursday for ReCon | 16:21 |
| AJollyLife | and might do SecTor later this year | 16:21 |
| AJollyLife | (security conferences) | 16:21 |
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| kanzure | biocurious on boingboing: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/05/help-fund-a-hackersp.html | 16:24 |
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| fenn | somebody had fun with the camera | 16:32 |
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| kanzure | heh jonathan cline arguing that diybio kits will probably not be open source (in 2008): http://blog.openwetware.org/community/2008/09/15/household-biohacking-coming-to-a-neighborhood-near-you/#comment-122 | 16:49 |
| kanzure | someone should start a hackerspace called 'make room' | 16:58 |
| fenn | what is foundation-volunteers@googlegroups.com? | 16:59 |
| fenn | kanzure: nice triple entendre | 16:59 |
| fenn | ffs i'm going to have to make my own damn diybio kits just so there's actually something there | 17:01 |
| asdtoob | Lol.. Are there good and evil, only free will is GaelicGrime.. | 17:01 |
| fenn | and i dont even care about diybio, i just think it's disgusting | 17:01 |
| fenn | ... that there arent any plans released, 2 years later | 17:01 |
| kanzure | but lots of hype! | 17:01 |
| kanzure | about 1,500 mailing list participants | 17:01 |
| kanzure | and at least 40 articles | 17:01 |
| kanzure | count 'em and weep: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 17:02 |
| * fenn cries in his coffee ice cream | 17:02 | |
| fenn | my eyes always hurt after taking melatonin | 17:02 |
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| fenn | oh poo. my "singularity is near" ebook is missing all the graphs | 17:08 |
| kanzure | hint: they are all exponential curves | 17:08 |
| asdtoob | they similar ages or even "water is bad".. | 17:08 |
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| kanzure | ENKI-][: can you mute 'em | 17:08 |
| ENKI-][ | kanzure: i can't. that's why i asked you to. | 17:10 |
| Bruns | What are you guys trying to do? | 17:10 |
| ENKI-][ | i can't mute him until the rewrite, which may take years | 17:10 |
| ENKI-][ | the original author was horrible at writing readable python | 17:10 |
| fenn | there are no ops in this channel | 17:10 |
| kanzure | (apparently freenode doesn't believe in going through their "please give us ops" task queue) | 17:11 |
| Bruns | What are you guys wanting to do? get ops in irc? | 17:12 |
| ENKI-][ | is the channel registered? because anyone with +f can get ops | 17:12 |
| kanzure | i registered it with the freenode staffers | 17:12 |
| kanzure | and apparently they don't believe in doing their jobs :P | 17:12 |
| ENKI-][ | but not with chanserv? | 17:12 |
| kanzure | you can't register with chanserv if people are in the channel other than you | 17:12 |
| kanzure | but yes, i registered with chanserv a few times just for laughs | 17:13 |
| ENKI-][ | you can if you have ops. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | nobody has ops | 17:13 |
| ENKI-][ | meh | 17:13 |
| ENKI-][ | okay. either i take him out until someone gets ops, or you all ignore him | 17:13 |
| kanzure | best you take him out :( | 17:14 |
| ENKI-][ | or somebody looks at the codebase and figures out how to fix the commands system | 17:14 |
| kanzure | because freenode has taken more than a year on this | 17:14 |
| asdtoob | I bet.. Yay.. Want my bot.. | 17:14 |
| ENKI-][ | asdtoob: you have your bot already | 17:14 |
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| asdtoob | exist.. they call it a bird believe in god are happier.. but you're cute, so it's vipes or siski_.. mmmhm.. | 17:14 |
| ENKI-][ | kanzure: alright, i'll take him out | 17:15 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:17 |
| Bruns | hey jay | 17:17 |
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| kanzure | http://pimm.wordpress.com/biodiy/ "fenn said: you should start a mailing list" | 17:23 |
| fenn | my mom is all excited because she has "ray kurzweil's publishing agent" working on her book | 17:24 |
| kanzure | i lol'd | 17:24 |
| fenn | loretta barrett | 17:24 |
| JayDugger | fenn--Your eyes feel dry after taking melatonin? I've never had any eye pain afterwards unless they felt dry. | 17:24 |
| kanzure | bah. 'bio 911' | 17:24 |
| fenn | no, it's not a surface pain, it's like i've been looking at a monitor all day kind of ache | 17:24 |
| JayDugger | Do eye drops help? My eyes dry much faster post-LASIK. | 17:25 |
| JayDugger | That varies with the season and the humidity, and they respond to eye drops. | 17:26 |
| kanzure | (07:28:00 PM) Andrew Hessel: hi bryan | 17:26 |
| kanzure | (07:28:05 PM) kanzure: hey | 17:26 |
| kanzure | (07:28:15 PM) Andrew Hessel: raymond said that you were in town | 17:26 |
| kanzure | (07:28:19 PM) Andrew Hessel: is that true? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | so apparently i don't even know where i am | 17:26 |
| JayDugger | Ha! bad sign, that. | 17:26 |
| fenn | "you may be an informorph if..." | 17:26 |
| JayDugger | ...you measure distance in ping time instead of meters. | 17:27 |
| ENKI-][ | in town has very little meaning unless you intend to get laid, play physical competitive sports, or share the same stolen food | 17:27 |
| kanzure | i don't even know raymond | 17:27 |
| kanzure | but i probably should meet him | 17:27 |
| AJollyLife | JayDugger: never had tha tproblem with melatonin | 17:27 |
| ENKI-][ | kurzweil? | 17:27 |
| fenn | mccauley probably | 17:27 |
| kanzure | yes, mccauley | 17:28 |
| AJollyLife | ENKI-][: in town lets you meet people in meatspace | 17:28 |
| AJollyLife | and find stuff to do | 17:28 |
| JayDugger | And work on physical artifacts. | 17:28 |
| AJollyLife | yep | 17:28 |
| AJollyLife | in person is just a higher bandwith form of communication at this point | 17:28 |
| ENKI-][ | meatspace is very low on my list of priorities. i'm looking for ways of burying it even lower. teledildonics and telepresence, especially with full duplex communication in terms of high precision sensors and manipulators, are probably the best bet right now. | 17:29 |
| JayDugger | You also get different channels: body language remains hard to gauge on-line. | 17:29 |
| fenn | are there any open-to-the-net telepresence setups anywhere? | 17:29 |
| AJollyLife | ENKI-][: that would be nice, but we are not there yet | 17:29 |
| kanzure | AJollyLife: i find in-person to be lower bandwidth in general | 17:29 |
| ENKI-][ | for telepresence? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | most of the time the wifi network is down | 17:30 |
| AJollyLife | aw, http://www.fu-fme.com/ no longer works | 17:30 |
| fenn | i know anybots but they're super expensive and not casual at all | 17:30 |
| AJollyLife | but - http://wiki.opendildonics.org/Main_Page | 17:30 |
| ENKI-][ | bipedal motion is pretty meh, but certainly a wheeled telepresence rig with a video face and decent anthropomorphic hands is doable | 17:30 |
| fenn | various webcams, as far as hackerspaces go, i only know of the metrixcreatespace one but it seems to have been downgraded to uselessness | 17:31 |
| ENKI-][ | i offered to design a teledildonics rig for my ex, but she said that robot cuddling was a turnoff | 17:31 |
| kanzure | #startups is eager to fund teledildonics | 17:31 |
| cluckj | lol | 17:31 |
| QuantumG | is there any telepresence rigs with anthropomorphic hands.. anywhere? | 17:31 |
| JayDugger | That will work to the extent it has the adult industry's support. | 17:32 |
| fenn | QuantumG: no, with 92% confidence | 17:32 |
| Bruns | http://xshit.webs.com/anominon.htm | 17:32 |
| Bruns | ^ praise bob | 17:32 |
| ENKI-][ | QuantumG: if there isn't, there will be soon. have you seen the number of elaborate telepresence tutorials on instructables? | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | does anyone understand the techniques used in tele-surgery? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: which techniques do you refer to | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | ENKI: no, url? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | having massive fiber optic pipes between the two locations? is that a technique | 17:33 |
| JayDugger | Do you mean the haptic interfaces? | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | how do they fix the lightspeed delay? just training? | 17:33 |
| fenn | lightspeed delay is not noticeable on earth | 17:34 |
| cluckj | kanzure I think teledildonics involves massive pipes in two locations too | 17:34 |
| kanzure | but processing time might be noticeable | 17:34 |
| QuantumG | with fat pipes I guess that's true | 17:34 |
| JayDugger | Do you mean over-all latency in the system? | 17:34 |
| JayDugger | Order-effect-sense--repeat? | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | yeah.. I'm actually interested in any papers on simulation assisted teleoperation | 17:36 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: there was one paper published by the utexas initiative for teleoperation stuff | 17:36 |
| kanzure | i didn't get a look at the paper title or the paper itself, but i saw a presentation | 17:36 |
| kanzure | something about surgery on a dog? | 17:36 |
| kanzure | plus simulaion on one end | 17:37 |
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| JayDugger | There probably exists good deal of information on latency limits in simulation from aviation. | 17:37 |
| JayDugger | Most of which won't be on-line, except for the regulatory standards that limit latency in flight training devices. | 17:38 |
| JayDugger | Those you can probably get from the FAA or JAA websites. | 17:38 |
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| JayDugger | That won't help you with techniques in hardware or software; it'll at most tell you where the upper limit for latency lies before it affects human perception and verisimilitude. | 17:39 |
| JayDugger | Knowing what flicker frequency means doesn't help you build a motion picture projector. | 17:40 |
| JayDugger | Knowing what flicker frequency equals for human vision only helps a little. | 17:41 |
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| ENKI-][ | QuantumG: http://www.instructables.com/id/Sparky-DIY-Web-Based-Telepresence-Robot/ http://www.instructables.com/id/OLPC-Telepresence/ http://www.instructables.com/community/Remote-control-cars-over-the-internet/ at a quick search | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | yeah, it was the articulate humanoid hands that I was referring to | 17:50 |
| bdesk | the speed of light is a bitch | 17:50 |
| ENKI-][ | QuantumG: oh. i have an iovine book that has a howto for those | 17:51 |
| ENKI-][ | though they aren't terribly hard. just unreliable | 17:51 |
| QuantumG | perhaps making them reliable is what's terribly hard | 17:53 |
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| kanzure | okay, logs are fixed now to be dumped into %Y-%m-%d.log | 18:07 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-05.log | 18:07 |
| kanzure | (i'll merge the earlier part of today in when irssi is done with that file handler) | 18:07 |
| jcluck | cool | 18:07 |
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| kanzure | for everything else: http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 18:07 |
| kanzure | and the master dump: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt | 18:08 |
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| fenn | i dont think a humanoid hand is cost effective at this point in consumer robotics | 18:11 |
| bdesk | i know, right? why do we always have to anthropomorphize everything. | 18:12 |
| fenn | smart phone + mirror attachment + telescoping broomstick + rc car | 18:12 |
| fenn | (the cameras are always on the opposite side of the screen, hence the mirror) | 18:12 |
| JayDugger | Because human anatomy's constraints define a large set of interesting problems. | 18:13 |
| ENKI-][ | nothing is really cost-effective in consumer robotics. there aren't all that many consumers | 18:13 |
| ENKI-][ | remember the eighties, when there were many different brands of damn cool robots (pre-built and otherwise) on the market competing to be the definitive personal robot brand? i don't, because i wasn't alive then, but i've read about it. i imagine most of them went the way of the arctec gemini | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | "telepresence" kinda sets the bar that low | 18:15 |
| ENKI-][ | the hero 1 and the gemini were among the most interesting, along with the rbx. | 18:15 |
| QuantumG | "I want to be present" .. ok, fixed camera.. "and I wanna be able to look around" ok. | 18:16 |
| ENKI-][ | telepresence sets the bar low enough to trip over. that doesn't mean there's necessarily a market. but if there is, it's not the consumer robotics market | 18:16 |
| bdesk | there are military robots now. in the past, military technology has been adapted for civilian use. | 18:16 |
| ENKI-][ | i guess you could consider the predator drones to be telepresence bots. i'm not sure i'd want to have to use one | 18:17 |
| JayDugger | There are military remote-operated vehicles now, and there are military robots. | 18:17 |
| JayDugger | Two different things. | 18:17 |
| QuantumG | I'd like to see a teleoperation/telepresence robot that you can use to rebuild an engine. | 18:17 |
| ENKI-][ | i think being able to make hand gestures and throw a ball at someone's head would be reasonable | 18:17 |
| kanzure | ENKI-][: here's one of your competitors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qdXkJVQUfM | 18:18 |
| kanzure | (Newton) | 18:18 |
| ENKI-][ | kanzure: i wasn't aware i was in the market | 18:18 |
| kanzure | the competitors that you mentioned. | 18:18 |
| JayDugger | Did YouTube fix the weekend's problem? | 18:18 |
| ENKI-][ | sounds like the gemini a bit | 18:19 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: does this become hardcore porn soon? | 18:19 |
| ENKI-][ | in terms of capability | 18:19 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: no :( | 18:19 |
| QuantumG | usually this level of 80s acting prowess is following by bass chords and people getting naked. | 18:20 |
| ENKI-][ | wow, very similar | 18:20 |
| kanzure | "Long term memory is made possible by a twenty MEGA BYTE hard drive storage device" | 18:20 |
| ENKI-][ | the gemini used eight apple II boards | 18:20 |
| kanzure | note the explicit space in "mega byte" | 18:20 |
| JayDugger | Huh? Oh, you mean a door stop. | 18:20 |
| JayDugger | full-height hard drive, right? Weighs about 8 pounds? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: and on wheels. | 18:21 |
| ENKI-][ | HE IS CAPABLE OF STRAIGHT LINE MOVEMENT *AND* TURNS | 18:21 |
| QuantumG | and with no hands he's incapable of molesting your kids. | 18:21 |
| kanzure | (we're looking at you, 3PO) | 18:22 |
| kanzure | 5:29 wow what a charger | 18:23 |
| ENKI-][ | gemini apparently had procedural narrative generation for telling unique stories. that was awesome | 18:23 |
| ENKI-][ | or sounded awesome | 18:23 |
| QuantumG | OMG, that's no robot! They've wrapped Stephen Hawking in white plastic! Damn you Apple! | 18:24 |
| ENKI-][ | looks like the charging unit might fall off | 18:24 |
| kanzure | TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED! *inserts floppy* | 18:24 |
| ENKI-][ | :D | 18:24 |
| ENKI-][ | well, this was near the end of the data casette era | 18:25 |
| kanzure | and the totally retro end theme song | 18:25 |
| ENKI-][ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsh-g4Qond0&feature=related awesome, a hero | 18:26 |
| kanzure | "he'll be part of your famillly / newton / he's helping you through technology / he's a dream to you / bringing the future home to you / he's watching you, newtoooonnnn" | 18:26 |
| QuantumG | damn, all those 80s haircuts.. no wonder so many robots went nuts and killed so many people. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | i can't believe "he's watching you" made it into that song | 18:26 |
| QuantumG | hehe | 18:26 |
| QuantumG | / he's part of our nefarious plot to take over america | 18:27 |
| kanzure | / he can't be stopped / newtoooonnn | 18:29 |
| uniqanomaly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI acid in bush ;D | 18:29 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 18:31 |
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| ENKI-][ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8dUL9qgU1M&feature=related | 18:32 |
| fenn | off to get lost in cupertino | 18:32 |
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| bkero | lol | 18:52 |
| bkero | fenn: You're in the bay area | 18:52 |
| bkero | ??? | 18:52 |
| bkero | kanzure: are you in the bay area too? | 18:52 |
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| bkero | Fffff | 18:52 |
| kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/h-summit-harvard-the-rise-of-the-citizen-scientist?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=446afe0ae9-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email | 18:56 |
| kanzure | bkero: not yet | 18:56 |
| bkero | I'm going to be gone tomorrow until Thursday. Mozilla summit in Canada. | 18:57 |
| Alystair | wait what? | 18:58 |
| Alystair | mozilla summit? Where at? | 18:58 |
| bkero | Canada | 18:58 |
| bkero | Whistler, BC | 18:58 |
| Alystair | wtf, their office is in f'n Toronto | 18:58 |
| bkero | I leave at 3:30AM tomorrow morning | 18:58 |
| Alystair | why would it be in BC | 18:58 |
| bkero | Alystair: Whistler is a very posh resort | 18:58 |
| bkero | and Toronto is full of french canadians | 18:58 |
| Alystair | I resent that statement | 18:59 |
| bkero | 'eh? | 18:59 |
| Alystair | I am not French | 18:59 |
| bkero | But am I wrong? | 18:59 |
| Alystair | yes? Toronto is super multicultural | 19:00 |
| Alystair | not really focused on French tho', we have Quebec for that | 19:00 |
| bkero | It's dangerously close | 19:00 |
| Alystair | what do you even do at the summit | 19:00 |
| Alystair | is it a place where I can get a job at Mozilla | 19:01 |
| * Alystair googles | 19:01 | |
| bkero | drink beer | 19:01 |
| bkero | and argue | 19:01 |
| bkero | If you want a job at mozilla you should have just told me. :P | 19:01 |
| bkero | What do you do/wan to do? | 19:02 |
| bdesk | tell them to start using webkit | 19:02 |
| Alystair | I just reported a bug in chromium recently, or at least the 2d rendering engine :) | 19:04 |
| bkero | So you want to report bugs? :P | 19:04 |
| Alystair | nah | 19:04 |
| Alystair | PM ok? | 19:04 |
| bkero | Ok | 19:09 |
| kanzure | tell them that threads are not evil | 19:18 |
| kanzure | and to rewrite their browser | 19:18 |
| QuantumG | from scratch | 19:19 |
| QuantumG | apparently Opera is awesome in that respect.. if I had any respect for Opera that is. | 19:19 |
| Alystair | why don't you have any respect? | 19:23 |
| Alystair | Opera Mini kicks ass on my E71 | 19:23 |
| Alystair | well, it's better than nothing I guess ;D | 19:23 |
| QuantumG | heh.. because from day one they've been saying "Proprietary is better than Free" and making a commercial argument. | 19:24 |
| bdesk | QuantumG: do you think drexler should scan nanosystems and put it on the internets? | 19:26 |
| QuantumG | I'd prefer he did something to actually make the book happen :) | 19:26 |
| AJollyLife | ENKI-][: id totally take my own predator drone though | 19:28 |
| ENKI-][ | i'd prefer to build my own hero one, AJollyLife | 19:28 |
| AJollyLife | some guy gave a talk on that at shmoocon this year | 19:29 |
| Alystair | Jolly: your nick is familiar when you mention schmoocon, were you one of the folks behind the pre-generated rainbow tables a few years back? | 19:31 |
| AJollyLife | nope, im not affiliated with church of wifi | 19:31 |
| * Alystair is part of the Toronto HacklabTO | 19:31 | |
| AJollyLife | i am part of mobile disco, which tends to win a bunch of shmoocon contests, but thats it | 19:31 |
| Alystair | neat | 19:32 |
| AJollyLife | awesome, I've got a few friends from there :) | 19:32 |
| Alystair | Probably Leigh :) | 19:32 |
| AJollyLife | i'm also part of vedagodz/team awesome, but thats more of a defcon thing | 19:32 |
| AJollyLife | yep :) | 19:32 |
| Alystair | that's why I recognize the name | 19:32 |
| Alystair | I've NEVER been to any cons | 19:32 |
| AJollyLife | team awesome, or from leigh? | 19:32 |
| Alystair | leigh, I have no idea why | 19:32 |
| AJollyLife | shes pretty awesome :) | 19:32 |
| Alystair | maybe you idled in #hacklabto or she spoke about you | 19:32 |
| AJollyLife | never been in hacklabto | 19:33 |
| Alystair | my memory is spotty, all I remember are connections, it's f'n bizarre | 19:33 |
| AJollyLife | actually, thanks for reminding me, i have to poke her about recon | 19:33 |
| Alystair | joy of ADHD PI I guess | 19:33 |
| AJollyLife | grr. shes not on irc | 19:33 |
| Alystair | yeah hardly these days | 19:34 |
| AJollyLife | well, she usually idles | 19:34 |
| Alystair | busy lady :) | 19:34 |
| AJollyLife | this is the first time ive actually not seen her online | 19:34 |
| Alystair | not like the days of 2600 | 19:34 |
| AJollyLife | and im staying with her for recon....and thats thursday | 19:34 |
| * Alystair isn't familiar with recon | 19:34 | |
| AJollyLife | heh, shes one of the only people I know who goes to more cons than i do | 19:34 |
| AJollyLife | recon = reverse engineering conference, every two years, in montreal | 19:34 |
| Alystair | oh neat | 19:34 |
| Alystair | I guess what's his name from Chumby goes to that | 19:35 |
| Alystair | Bunny! | 19:35 |
| Alystair | man it's such a small world, really | 19:35 |
| AJollyLife | bunny huang | 19:35 |
| AJollyLife | not sure, its my first recon | 19:35 |
| AJollyLife | but yeah, it really is | 19:35 |
| shrdlu- | um, the primary reason for the investment behind much of military technology is to hand it over to private industry so it can be sold to consumers | 19:37 |
| shrdlu- | oops | 19:37 |
| shrdlu- | reading backscroll | 19:37 |
| kanzure | shrdlu-: we encourage backlog reading in here :) | 19:37 |
| kanzure | bdesk: 'nanosystems' is already on the internest, if you want a copy.. | 19:38 |
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| Alystair | aughh I need to finish this email to Anssi Vanjok | 19:38 |
| kanzure | anssi who now? | 19:38 |
| Alystair | and CC Olli-Pekka if he still works for Nokia ahaha | 19:39 |
| Alystair | ah sorry, Anssi Vanjoki. | 19:39 |
| Alystair | oh wait he's now the new CEO, need to send my congrats for replacing Olli | 19:40 |
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| kanzure | anyone know of 'transhumanism' texts that have been published within the last two years? | 20:36 |
| QuantumG | I know of fiction | 20:37 |
| QuantumG | Peter F. Hamilton's latest series is jam packed with transhumanists | 20:38 |
| bdesk | http://jetpress.org/v20/verdoux.htm | 20:40 |
| QuantumG | Stephen Wolfram connected the Singularity to deeper issues related to the nature of complexity and meaning -- a critical perspective, in my view. In the bigger picture, all this technological acceleration is just another phase in the self-organization of complex form that's been going on for billions of years, and will very likely continue long after humans are no longer top dog on this planet. | 20:45 |
| QuantumG | pfft. | 20:45 |
| bdesk | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/stoa/publications/studies/stoa2007-13_en.pdf | 20:48 |
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| bdesk | the link was advertising that as 2009 but i see it is 2007. | 20:49 |
| ENKI-][ | hah, nice choice of nick | 20:49 |
| bdesk | no wait it is 2009 | 20:49 |
| AJollyLife | QuantumG: which series? | 20:50 |
| QuantumG | Commonwealth Saga: Pandora's Star, Judas Unchained, The Dreaming Void, and The Eveolutionary Void (being written). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Saga | 20:52 |
| AJollyLife | okay :) | 20:53 |
| AJollyLife | thanks! | 20:53 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: well, at least someone mentioned it who has some status | 20:58 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 20:58 |
| kanzure | i mean, srsly, there's room for complexity science in singularity bullshit | 20:58 |
| kanzure | *singularity bullshitting | 20:58 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. I can't connect to heybryan.org | 20:58 |
| kanzure | hrm | 20:58 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: try now. | 20:59 |
| kanzure | guess i have to turn the server on if i want people to be able to access it huh | 20:59 |
| AJollyLife | minor details | 20:59 |
| kanzure | bah! fools. | 20:59 |
| QuantumG | yeah, what was I looking at? | 20:59 |
| kanzure | hm? | 20:59 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ is some discussion on how it's not really linear progress | 21:00 |
| kanzure | er | 21:00 |
| kanzure | i mean, how technological development is more of a result of complex systems effect | 21:00 |
| kanzure | always easier in hindsight, etc. | 21:01 |
| QuantumG | oh, increasing complexity.. sure.. but I expect Goertzel just cherry picked that out of Wolfram's babble. | 21:01 |
| kanzure | oh, absolutely | 21:01 |
| kanzure | his article didn't seem particularly brilliant | 21:01 |
| kanzure | apparently kurzweilai.net is always stretched for articles | 21:01 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_to_the_Future:_The_Animated_Series | 21:18 |
| kanzure | "In addition, Bill Nye performed scientific experiments during the closing live-action segments in each episode, a spot which later led to Nye getting his own show)." | 21:18 |
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| AJollyLife | QuantumG: what of peter hamiltons stuff should i try reading first? | 21:30 |
| QuantumG | Misspent Youth is pretty funny.. but I recommend Fallen Dragon, as it is his standalone book. | 21:32 |
| AJollyLife | ok :) | 21:33 |
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| fenn | yep, vampires, all of them. | 23:47 |
| fenn | i sit down next to an empty chair and this lady sits down next to me http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3298/4568134908_dea4e6e916.jpg | 23:48 |
| fenn | note the frilly collar, that's to hide the bite marks | 23:48 |
| fenn | i'm lucky to have escaped alive | 23:52 |
| splicer_ | (cougar encounter) | 23:58 |
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