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| jmil | kanzure: who do you work with at UT? | 00:28 |
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| QuantumG | Visions of the Future: The Biotech Revolution is on tv | 04:29 |
| QuantumG | random chick identified as a "transhumanist" | 04:29 |
| QuantumG | I already forgot her name.. something like "cerwan" | 04:30 |
| QuantumG | I hate Michio Kaku. | 04:31 |
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| kanzure | jmil: matt campbell | 07:02 |
| jmil | oh wow cool http://www.me.utexas.edu/~campbell/index.htm | 07:02 |
| jmil | are you grad student? | 07:03 |
| jmil | i'm in chris chen's lab at penn | 07:03 |
| jmil | for 2 years as postdoc | 07:03 |
| jmil | kanzure: how long u been there? | 07:04 |
| kanzure | nah, i was an undergrad when i was working with matt | 07:05 |
| kanzure | but i was living the life of a grad student :) | 07:05 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: mah user sez "can't delete the hooks directory in reprap.git ..." hmm | 07:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: did you want me to get rid of hooks or hooks_OLD | 07:06 |
| kanzure | oops | 07:07 |
| kanzure | jmil: did you want me to get rid of hooks or hooks_OLD | 07:07 |
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| jmil | kanzure: hooks_OLD | 07:12 |
| jmil | i was able to rename it, just not delete it | 07:12 |
| kanzure | the deed has been done | 07:14 |
| jmil | kanzure: thx. but when i do ls -la i get "s" for some of the file permissions. what is "s" ? is that keeping us from listing the file directory? | 07:17 |
| kanzure | why are all of the author email adresses broken in the commit messages | 07:17 |
| kanzure | it's sticky bit | 07:17 |
| kanzure | it means that when you create a file in the subdirectory that all of the permissions of the folder apply to the file | 07:18 |
| jmil | kanzure: what do you mean? not broken for me | 07:18 |
| jmil | ah, the sticky bit | 07:18 |
| jmil | but now we cannot browse: https://secure.diyhpl.us/repos/reprap/ | 07:18 |
| kanzure | erikdebruijn <erikdebruijn@cb376a5e-1013-0410-a455-b6b1f9ac8223> | 07:18 |
| kanzure | i know that this is not erik's email address | 07:18 |
| jmil | how do you browse the git repo when it is named reprap.git and you don't have an active tree checked out? | 07:19 |
| kanzure | jmil: you mean https://secure.diyhpl.us/repos/reprap/ikiwiki.cgi but it doesn't matter for this project | 07:19 |
| kanzure | i think the cgit link would be more relevant | 07:19 |
| kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/ | 07:19 |
| jmil | oh i didn't know where the right link was | 07:24 |
| kanzure | sorry i forget to tell people these impotant things | 07:24 |
| jmil | to browse the git repo | 07:24 |
| kanzure | *important | 07:24 |
| jmil | but how can i run "git status" from the command line? | 07:24 |
| jmil | it always tells me it's not a repo | 07:24 |
| kanzure | i gues you should clone it into your home directory somewhere | 07:25 |
| kanzure | /srv/git/reprap.git/ is technically not a repo (like a git repo that you work in and edit files in) | 07:25 |
| kanzure | also, brb (just woke up) | 07:26 |
| jmil | kanzure: me too. there's something wrong with the files that were uploaded, i'm getting different browsing in my home computer | 07:28 |
| jmil | i'm going to recreate the entire repo on your server from scratch, see if that fixes it | 07:30 |
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| kanzure | do you need me to install git-svn? | 07:31 |
| jmil | oh ya! please | 07:31 |
| jmil | maybe it's the --use-log-author option | 07:32 |
| jmil | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-svn.html | 07:32 |
| jmil | the reprap SVN server is very slow so the command takes a while | 07:32 |
| jmil | a long while | 07:32 |
| jmil | kanzure: lemme know when u have it installed | 07:33 |
| kanzure | Failed to fetch http://debian.cs.pdx.edu/pool/main/g/git/git-svn_1.7.1-1_all.deb 404 Not Found | 07:34 |
| kanzure | wtf | 07:34 |
| jmil | kanzure: does SVN not have the email address contained in a commit? maybe the data are not there to pull into git? | 07:35 |
| jmil | e.g. on sourceforge SVN i don't see any email addresses for the authors: | 07:36 |
| jmil | http://reprap.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/reprap/ | 07:36 |
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| jmil | kanzure: u there? if you can get git svn installed i can update | 08:16 |
| kanzure | one sec | 08:18 |
| jmil | oh, it looks like i just need to do git svn rebase | 08:18 |
| jmil | that will fix it | 08:18 |
| jmil | all my local repos on this HD have no email addresses either | 08:18 |
| jmil | I think it's not in SVN repos | 08:18 |
| jmil | so don't worry about it actually | 08:18 |
| jmil | :) | 08:19 |
| kanzure | basically git-svn doesn't exist in this debian repository | 08:19 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to figure out why | 08:20 |
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| kanzure | ok http://debian.cs.pdx.edu/pool/main/g/git/git-svn_1.7.1-1.1_all.deb i'll take it | 08:21 |
| kanzure | jmil: it should be installed now | 08:21 |
| jmil | kanzure: i can't find it. i just ssh'ed in again, it's not in my path though | 08:25 |
| jmil | oh, found in /usr/lib/git-core/ | 08:29 |
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| kanzure | huh it really should be in your path | 09:00 |
| kanzure | maybe it was "git svn" not "git-svn" | 09:00 |
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| jmil | kanzure: u there? i try to run git clone http://diyhpl.us/srv/git/reprap.git | 10:37 |
| jmil | but no go | 10:37 |
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| jmil | kanzure: have you pushed/pulled successfully via git with this server before? | 10:41 |
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| kanzure | jmil: check the email again | 11:04 |
| kanzure | git clone git+ssh://.. | 11:04 |
| jmil | oh i thought the git+ssh meant you can use git or ssh with that :// URL... lol | 11:08 |
| jmil | lemme try again | 11:08 |
| jmil | that is working, thanks | 11:09 |
| jmil | i had to do git_ssh://username@.... | 11:09 |
| jmil | git+ssh://... rather | 11:09 |
| jmil | how can we enable unrestricted checkout? i am finishing testing then i will post back to the reprap-dev listserv | 11:10 |
| jmil | kanzure: ping in case you went afk | 11:10 |
| jmil | kanzure: how can we enable just the git:// URL instead of git+ssh:// ? i'm new to git-based serving | 11:13 |
| epitron | you need to run a git daemon for git:// | 11:17 |
| epitron | git can also be served over http | 11:17 |
| epitron | also, i think git+ssh is a legacy thing... it should just be ssh://, or what i use, user@host:path/to.git | 11:18 |
| epitron | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-daemon.html | 11:19 |
| jmil | epitron: thank you. kanzure is the server admin, so i think he has a plan already | 11:21 |
| jmil | we are playing with moving reprap from SVN to git. would be WAY better | 11:21 |
| epitron | i'd just use a git daemon. it's fastest. :) | 11:22 |
| epitron | yep! | 11:22 |
| epitron | svn is the new cvs | 11:22 |
| epitron | you could host it on github btw... that has a lot of nice features. :) | 11:22 |
| epitron | the forking and "pull requests" are nice | 11:22 |
| epitron | plus free public exposure | 11:22 |
| jmil | github is sub-optimal because it only allows 10 collaborators and 2 GB storage. the repo is 2GB already, and we need way more people to commit to the main trunk | 11:25 |
| jmil | so i'm trying to host it on kanzure server, then we can push a read-only copy up onto github so people can fork as desired | 11:26 |
| kanzure | jmil: "unrestricted checkout" should alerady work | 11:26 |
| jmil | URL? | 11:27 |
| kanzure | jmil: git:// should be working.. | 11:27 |
| kanzure | hm hold on | 11:27 |
| jmil | i tried with git:// and didn't get it | 11:27 |
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| kanzure | jmil: still looking into it | 11:36 |
| kanzure | jmil: try git clone http://diyhpl.us/reprap.git | 11:37 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: it says that i have to run git update-server-info; shouldn't a daemon somewhere be taking care of this eventually? | 11:40 |
| epitron | jmil: maybe you should prune your repository :) | 11:46 |
| epitron | with git, you have to download the entire commit history | 11:46 |
| jmil | prune repo for what purpose? | 11:46 |
| epitron | remove some ancient history | 11:46 |
| epitron | to reduce the repo size | 11:46 |
| jmil | naw, we need for posterity :P | 11:46 |
| epitron | do you really? :) | 11:47 |
| epitron | DO YOU REALLY???!? | 11:47 |
| jmil | well, it's academic project. so i would say yes | 11:47 |
| epitron | well, just ask yourself | 11:47 |
| epitron | what would linus do | 11:47 |
| kanzure | kill babies? | 11:47 |
| epitron | i think he makes a new git repo for each version | 11:47 |
| jmil | linus does not build physical objects... :D | 11:48 |
| jmil | I think he is h-minus | 11:48 |
| epitron | yeah but he's a smart mofo | 11:48 |
| epitron | and he made git for himself | 11:48 |
| jmil | ya wrote git in 1 week | 11:48 |
| epitron | so if you don't act a little like him, there's going to be an impedence mismatch | 11:48 |
| jmil | Git itself has complete history | 11:48 |
| jmil | checkout git repo of git, and read first commit. it's hilarious | 11:48 |
| epitron | hahah | 11:48 |
| epitron | nice | 11:48 |
| jmil | first commit is something like "well, shit this may actually work" | 11:49 |
| epitron | anyhow, 2gb is a big fuckin repo | 11:49 |
| epitron | that's unwieldy | 11:49 |
| epitron | it's easy to break it up by versions | 11:49 |
| epitron | http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc.git;a=forks | 11:50 |
| epitron | that's how VLC does it | 11:50 |
| kanzure | why do we need 2 GB to represent a few hundred components and parts in an assembly with maybe less than 5000 revisions? | 11:50 |
| kanzure | :) | 11:50 |
| epitron | no idea! | 11:51 |
| kanzure | jmil: is anonymous clone working now? | 11:53 |
| epitron | http://git.kernel.org/?p=git/git.git;a=log;pg=230 | 11:54 |
| epitron | there she is | 11:54 |
| kanzure | what am i thinking | 11:54 |
| kanzure | okay, so basically 2 GB is pretty normal for a project that doesn't know what it's doing in terms of revision control | 11:55 |
| kanzure | i mean, people still use .doc format for revision control sometimes | 11:55 |
| epitron | hahah so true | 11:55 |
| kanzure | so on vehicleforge, the whole military vehicle stint | 11:55 |
| kanzure | there's no way in hell that the projects are going to be less than 10 GB a pop | 11:55 |
| kanzure | i'm thinking multiple terabytes per war machine | 11:55 |
| kanzure | (especially when you add up all the simulation results that people want to keep around for laughs and giggles) | 11:55 |
| epitron | git isn't designed for huge binary repos | 11:56 |
| epitron | that's the thing | 11:56 |
| epitron | it's designed for little textfiles | 11:56 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 11:56 |
| epitron | there's probably something for those | 11:56 |
| kanzure | not to my knowledge | 11:56 |
| kanzure | unless you want to go proprietary | 11:56 |
| kanzure | which, i don't | 11:56 |
| epitron | rsync with snapshots? :) | 11:56 |
| kanzure | you are crazy | 11:56 |
| epitron | snapshots are hardlinks | 11:56 |
| epitron | they're quite efficient | 11:56 |
| epitron | share those inodes | 11:57 |
| epitron | i guess rsync snapshots don't support modifying one byte in a big file | 11:57 |
| kanzure | joe is probably going to suggest revision control on top of RAID3 or something crazy like that | 11:57 |
| epitron | it supports synching that one byte efficiently, but probably not storing it | 11:57 |
| kanzure | how about this: no binary files to describe your warmachine | 11:57 |
| kanzure | i like that policy. | 11:57 |
| kanzure | yeah, i think i'll adopt it | 11:57 |
| epitron | that sounds good! | 11:58 |
| kanzure | hehe | 11:58 |
| epitron | also who's making warmachines here? | 11:58 |
| kanzure | epitron: DARPA thing for SKDB | 11:58 |
| epitron | you're getting funded by darpa? | 11:58 |
| kanzure | hopefully | 11:58 |
| epitron | yeee :) | 11:58 |
| epitron | btw, this is an interesting alternative SCM: http://www.fossil-scm.org/index.html/doc/tip/www/index.wiki | 11:59 |
| kanzure | they want to support "complex, realistic cyber-electro-mechanical war fighting machines" | 11:59 |
| epitron | zed shaw uses it for his projects... (eg: mongrel2) | 11:59 |
| kanzure | "fossil scm" is an awful name | 11:59 |
| epitron | it's an analogy for old commits | 11:59 |
| epitron | what's neat about it is that it's kinda a hybrid between svn and git... optional centralization for efficiency | 12:00 |
| epitron | but still distributed | 12:00 |
| epitron | and it has a built-in wiki/bug tracker | 12:00 |
| epitron | this is a fossil webserver: http://mongrel2.org/home | 12:00 |
| kanzure | epitron: i like bugs everywhere | 12:00 |
| epitron | all the pages are fossil wiki pages | 12:00 |
| kanzure | it keeps your bug state in your dcvs | 12:00 |
| kanzure | under a folder called .be/ | 12:00 |
| epitron | yeah, fossil does that too | 12:00 |
| epitron | and the wiki | 12:00 |
| kanzure | reprap.git on diyhpl.us doubles as an ikiwiki | 12:01 |
| epitron | okay | 12:01 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/reprap/ | 12:01 |
| kanzure | actaully wait | 12:01 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: why is that content still there? jmil changed the repo i thought | 12:01 |
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| jmil | kanzure: i just modified the reprap.git folder, nothing else | 12:28 |
| kanzure | manually? | 12:28 |
| jmil | i don't know what ikiwiki is, nor what you mean by the entire repo is also a wiki | 12:28 |
| jmil | figured you would tell me eventuallly | 12:28 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki is a front-end to the wiki | 12:28 |
| kanzure | ugh i screwed that up | 12:28 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki is a front-end to the git repository | 12:28 |
| jmil | right, like this: | 12:29 |
| kanzure | ? | 12:31 |
| jmil | ugh can't find the link | 12:31 |
| jmil | but i thought you had it working with cgit | 12:31 |
| jmil | something or other | 12:31 |
| jmil | i was browsing the repo on your site | 12:31 |
| kanzure | right, cgit is another front-end | 12:31 |
| jmil | going afk for a bit... | 12:31 |
| epitron | ikiwiki converts some datafiles (that can be stored in a git repo) into html pages | 12:40 |
| epitron | apparently you can edit these datafiles somehow | 12:40 |
| epitron | :D | 12:40 |
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| jmil | kanzure: found it: https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/ | 12:57 |
| jmil | that one works | 12:57 |
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| jmil | kanzure: this command works now too: | 12:59 |
| jmil | git clone http://diyhpl.us/reprap.git | 12:59 |
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| kanzure | hi jrayhawk_ | 13:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk_: there were notes and questions i left for you http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-09-02.log | 13:06 |
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| kanzure | oh shit, solidworks 2011 | 13:15 |
| kanzure | http://solidworkslaunch.com/ | 13:15 |
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| jrayhawk_ | oh hewwo | 13:19 |
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| jmil | kanzure: is jrayhawk server admin for gnusha? | 13:23 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 13:23 |
| jmil | niiiice. hi jrayhawk good to meet u | 13:23 |
| jrayhawk | Insofar as I occasionally break stuff claiming to make improvements. | 13:24 |
| jrayhawk | So do you want Ikiwiki up and running or not? | 13:25 |
| jmil | i dunno kanzure has plans for reprap git hosting, i think ikiwiki is part of that, but i dunno how it works with a git repo | 13:25 |
| jmil | kanzure: this is excellent written piece: http://gnusha.org/ | 13:25 |
| jmil | well done sir | 13:25 |
| jrayhawk | Normally there's a post-update hook that checks the log for updated files and renders and/or publishes those to a directory tree. | 13:26 |
| jrayhawk | Optionally, there is also a web interface for editing the contents of the tree and commiting them back to the git repository. | 13:27 |
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| jrayhawk | There are some compelling features within Ikiwiki for managing and aggregating data stored within markdown files for whatever purposes you would like; it's often used for blogging and bug tracking. | 13:29 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: maybe the reason why the wiki front hasn't been changed is because jmil changed the hooks | 13:29 |
| kanzure | makes sense to me. | 13:29 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. I can fix that if you want. | 13:29 |
| * kanzure nods | 13:29 | |
| kanzure | please? | 13:29 |
| jmil | oh don't we need my hooks directory instead of what was there? kanzure you said i think that i should replace the reprap.git directory | 13:30 |
| jmil | so that's what i did | 13:30 |
| kanzure | do you have any special hooks of your own? | 13:30 |
| jmil | what do hooks do? ;) | 13:30 |
| jmil | i actually don't know | 13:30 |
| jmil | i just copied my git svn directory up there | 13:30 |
| kanzure | when you push changes to a git repository, there are "post commit hooks" that are "hooked" into the process | 13:31 |
| jmil | correction: i was able to rename the hooks directory to hooks_OLD. actually tho kanzure deleted it for me, so blame him :) | 13:31 |
| jrayhawk | I'm working on it. | 13:31 |
| kanzure | these can do just about anything- i used to have some that would tweet on twitter and complain in here (in this channel) | 13:31 |
| jmil | kanzure: ah. so the are like cgi scripts that jump to work | 13:31 |
| jmil | cool | 13:31 |
| kanzure | there's also pre-commit hooks you can throw in | 13:31 |
| jrayhawk | The most common hook is to send commit messages to a mailing list. | 13:31 |
| jmil | niiice | 13:32 |
| jmil | kanzure: is the idea to give every reprap developer a login account to this git server? | 13:32 |
| jrayhawk | The scariest hooks are the ones that reject commits on the basis of static analysis or coding style restrictions | 13:32 |
| kanzure | jmil: i'd be happy to | 13:32 |
| kanzure | "your code sucks" would be an awesome hook | 13:32 |
| jmil | kanzure: wow that would be cool | 13:32 |
| jmil | lol good hook too | 13:32 |
| jmil | it would be cool if reprap dev's had login/commit access | 13:33 |
| kanzure | that can be done | 13:33 |
| jmil | ya i think that tiny shell would be fine for just commit access | 13:33 |
| jrayhawk | I assume they only need commit access? | 13:33 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, you can do that | 13:33 |
| kanzure | pinyshell | 13:33 |
| kanzure | jmil: i guess i should have mentioned that to you | 13:33 |
| jmil | ya that's it. i couldn't remember what you said | 13:33 |
| kanzure | i know you logged in and were wondering wtf | 13:33 |
| jmil | and you got my vi skillz pulled out of the back of my memory. thanks! | 13:33 |
| jmil | lol ya | 13:33 |
| jrayhawk | jmil: ssh into gnusha and run 'newuser' | 13:33 |
| kanzure | jmil can do that? i thought sudoers only | 13:34 |
| jrayhawk | for whomever you want to create an account. | 13:34 |
| jrayhawk | Oh, aybe. Hmm. | 13:34 |
| jmil | oh that creates new pinyshell user account? | 13:34 |
| kanzure | yeah it's sudoers only | 13:34 |
| jrayhawk | Ikiwiki should be working again, FWIW | 13:35 |
| jrayhawk | I'll go make that command workable for you. | 13:35 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: wait, shouldn't it to be sudoers only? | 13:35 |
| kanzure | i'm not really sure i care either way | 13:35 |
| jrayhawk | I'll add an exception for jsmiller. | 13:35 |
| * kanzure shrugs | 13:36 | |
| kanzure | okay | 13:36 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, that should work for the jsmiller user, now. | 13:38 |
| jrayhawk | jmil: You can assign an arbitrary password and users can log in with and change with 'passwd' | 13:38 |
| jrayhawk | also, if you want to play around with ikiwiki without polluting reprap.git with commits, you can 'newrepo whatever-you-want-it-to-be-named' | 13:39 |
| kanzure | when it asks for an email address for the user | 13:39 |
| kanzure | it would be nice if you use their actual email address :P | 13:39 |
| kanzure | so that we can keep track of it | 13:39 |
| jrayhawk | oh yeah, 'addaccess reprap whatever-username-you-created' will also be necessary | 13:40 |
| kanzure | hm i think i forgot that part for jmil | 13:41 |
| jrayhawk | He's the owner, it looks like. | 13:41 |
| kanzure | well that's weird | 13:41 |
| jmil | ok, we'll have to ask adrian how he wants to handle things | 13:41 |
| jrayhawk | oh, no, i guess not | 13:41 |
| jrayhawk | I'll make him the owner. | 13:41 |
| jmil | wait, owner of what? | 13:41 |
| jmil | teh reprap.git dir? | 13:41 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 13:41 |
| jmil | ah | 13:41 |
| jmil | then i could rename it | 13:42 |
| kanzure | why would you rename it | 13:42 |
| jrayhawk | Looks like that directory isn't shared. I should fix that, too. | 13:42 |
| kanzure | i think what happened was that jmil just overwrote the entire directory | 13:42 |
| jmil | my server at home went on the fritz, but it's the one i was using to pull makerbot SVN down into git, then push back up onto github every 5 min | 13:42 |
| kanzure | with his scp move | 13:42 |
| uniqanomaly__ | "How God propelled Stephen Hawking into the bestsellers lists | 13:42 |
| uniqanomaly__ | Tim Radford suspects divine intervention was partly responsible for the miraculous success of A Brief History of Time" | 13:42 |
| uniqanomaly__ | omfg | 13:42 |
| jmil | uniqanomaly__: i heard he was in a black hole for a while. that did it. | 13:43 |
| jmil | kanzure: i was trying to avoid overwriting the directory, so i was trying to rename it and push a new one up, but i didn't have write access to the parent dir | 13:43 |
| jmil | i don't need to rename it now tho, you are right | 13:44 |
| jmil | damage already done | 13:44 |
| kanzure | O_o | 13:44 |
| jmil | sorry | 13:44 |
| kanzure | are you one of those users that do crazy things? :) | 13:44 |
| kanzure | like connect to irc via cronjobs | 13:44 |
| jrayhawk | I'm going to break that git repo for about fifteen minutes to sort some problems out. | 13:45 |
| jmil | i am a cronjob. you have just failed the turing test. do not pass go. do not collect $200. | 13:45 |
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| jmil | jrayhawk: you can delete the whole thing, i have the real one in my home dir on gnusha now | 13:45 |
| jmil | i was trying to learn how to push it --mirror into that git dir | 13:46 |
| jmil | kanzure: no i won't do crazy things, for the most part ;) | 13:46 |
| kanzure | i only act like an admin | 13:49 |
| kanzure | oops, scroll error | 13:49 |
| jmil | your debian-fu is awesome, this is my first time on a debian box. will have to nix ubuntu for debian on our lab computer | 13:53 |
| kanzure | ubuntu is based off of debian | 13:53 |
| kanzure | jmil: so, the gnusha.org text is a little old by now | 13:54 |
| kanzure | it was written earlier this year as a project update | 13:54 |
| kanzure | there's a few additional parts of the story that are worth telling | 13:54 |
| kanzure | i have some funding for these and other crazy projects | 13:55 |
| kanzure | so i was going to invest $50 in anybody that would write me a grant proposal | 13:55 |
| kanzure | and then if they complete and carry it out, i'd pay them $100 next time, and keep on doubling it | 13:55 |
| kanzure | until i run out of money or until they fail (or something) | 13:55 |
| kanzure | i can afford to waste $50 (it's like a bad dinner or something) but not $50,000 on a failed super reprap or whatever | 13:55 |
| jmil | wow that's dangerous | 13:59 |
| jmil | <starts writing grant> | 13:59 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 13:59 |
| kanzure | there's a reason i haven't announced it yet though | 13:59 |
| kanzure | i've been working on some software infrastructure issues.. | 13:59 |
| dustbin | I like the idea | 13:59 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk has been working on piny (which actually saves me a huge pain in the ass) | 13:59 |
| jmil | you just did announce it lol | 14:00 |
| kanzure | and in the meantime, i've been working on a usable open source CAD kernel | 14:00 |
| jmil | first post! | 14:00 |
| kanzure | jmil: well, i mean, "money serving time is open"-sorta-announce | 14:00 |
| jmil | CAD kernel? | 14:00 |
| kanzure | yes | 14:00 |
| jmil | what does that do? | 14:00 |
| jmil | like linux kernel? | 14:00 |
| kanzure | it's a ridiculously technical piece of software that you shouldn't have to worry about | 14:00 |
| kanzure | basically, it's a way to design mechanical components | 14:00 |
| jmil | now i have to know | 14:00 |
| jmil | like openscad? | 14:01 |
| kanzure | have you ever used solidworks, autocad, pro/e, or catia? | 14:01 |
| jmil | and mscad? | 14:01 |
| jmil | kanzure: i'm all blender, baby | 14:01 |
| kanzure | sorta like openscad, except openscad only exports STL files (which are not CAD) | 14:01 |
| kanzure | blender is not CAD either | 14:01 |
| kanzure | in fact, i wrote a whole wiki page on this | 14:01 |
| jmil | you can export .DXF from blender | 14:01 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cadfaq/ | 14:01 |
| kanzure | .DXF is rarely CAD | 14:01 |
| jmil | lucy, you have some 'splainin to do | 14:01 |
| kanzure | for various reasons, trust me ;) | 14:01 |
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| jmil | omg did you just write that whole web page in 17 seconds? | 14:02 |
| kanzure | i would love to use openscad but the fact that it only does STL output makes it more or less useless for my purposes | 14:02 |
| jrayhawk | this does not look like a git-svn repository | 14:02 |
| jmil | so you need to join openscad dev team | 14:02 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: howso? | 14:02 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: check the one in my home dir | 14:03 |
| kanzure | jmil: openscad is just cgal+opencsg+otherstuff.. opencsg isn't what i want, and CGAL certainly isn't either | 14:03 |
| jmil | ok i will need to do some more reading | 14:03 |
| dustbin | kanzure: I would be interested in investing some programming time working on a CAD project | 14:03 |
| kanzure | jmil: there are two open source CAD kernels out there though | 14:03 |
| kanzure | dustbin: one sec | 14:03 |
| kanzure | jmil: http://brlcad.org/ | 14:03 |
| kanzure | jmil: http://opencascade.org/ | 14:03 |
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| kanzure | and i guess http://pythonocc.org/ for python wrappers for opencascade | 14:04 |
| kanzure | for various reasons neither kernel is quite what i need | 14:04 |
| kanzure | brlcad doesn't export STEP, for instance | 14:04 |
| jmil | "user Bryan Bishop wrote a script in Perl to create geometry via MGED. Bryan shows in http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/proc-db/spiral.pl how to procedurally generate a spiraling pattern of hollowed-out boxes." | 14:04 |
| jmil | niiiice | 14:04 |
| kanzure | and opencascade is such a bloated mess and retarded that it's not worth spending any more of my time with | 14:04 |
| kanzure | jmil: oh shit, that's right! | 14:04 |
| kanzure | i forgot about that | 14:04 |
| kanzure | it was for the automatic design of a spiral microfluidic algae/water separator | 14:05 |
| kanzure | dustbin: so, uh, the CAD kernel i've been writing is all in python | 14:05 |
| kanzure | the main goal of the kernel is STEP export, nothing else matters to me at the moment | 14:05 |
| dustbin | ok | 14:05 |
| kanzure | in the future i'll implement an actual SDAI interface for STEP standards compliance, but right now it's just raw and whatever-the-hell-makes-it-work | 14:06 |
| jmil | http://www.step.org/ ? | 14:06 |
| jmil | lol | 14:06 |
| kanzure | jmil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEP-File | 14:06 |
| kanzure | dustbin: the idea is to have a python interpreter open and just type out commands | 14:06 |
| kanzure | sphere.fuse(box) | 14:06 |
| dustbin | ok | 14:06 |
| kanzure | and such.. | 14:06 |
| kanzure | but nobody is going to use this if they can't see what they are making | 14:06 |
| kanzure | so for the past week i've been dabbling with an opengl/glut or maybe wxpython viewer/visualizer | 14:07 |
| jrayhawk | hum dee dum | 14:07 |
| kanzure | dustbin: do you have any experience with python or OpenGL or wxWidgets/wxPython? | 14:07 |
| dustbin | I have opengl experience not much python experience though | 14:07 |
| kanzure | cool! | 14:07 |
| kanzure | so uh, i actually have a question then | 14:08 |
| dustbin | heh k | 14:08 |
| kanzure | i've been making the visualizer and i need to figure out the user interaction model | 14:08 |
| kanzure | i have no idea wtf i want | 14:08 |
| kanzure | like, should i implement rotation with arrow keys? or is that panning only | 14:08 |
| dustbin | I can only offer opinions on that stuff | 14:09 |
| kanzure | please :) | 14:09 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: was that hum dee dum you being annoyed | 14:09 |
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| dustbin | I don't have any research knowledge to back it up atm, but IMO you should use meta keys and mouse or arrow keys | 14:09 |
| jrayhawk | no i am waiting for a push and checkout to finish because this repo is the size of the moon | 14:09 |
| dustbin | so shift plus hold left mouse and drag causes one movement type | 14:10 |
| dustbin | alt plus left click and drag does something else | 14:10 |
| dustbin | the same thing should happen with shift plus arrow keys | 14:10 |
| kanzure | jmil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_modeling | 14:11 |
| jrayhawk | hmm. I should add spaces to the list of allowed ikiwiki characters, apparently. | 14:11 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: it's all the binaries. it's because they are design files so we don't want to trash them. even the old ones should be saved for posterity | 14:11 |
| jmil | probably | 14:11 |
| jmil | not really my decision to make tho, prolly Adrian would agree tho as he said his plan would be to migrate all commits as well | 14:11 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i was meaning to ask you about this | 14:12 |
| kanzure | the DARPA project wants 200 MB *minimum* expected repository size | 14:12 |
| kanzure | and seeing how reprap.git is 1 GB (although someone said yesterday 2 GB) | 14:12 |
| kanzure | i suspect that some are multiple terabytes for any modern war machine | 14:12 |
| kanzure | what do i dooooooo | 14:12 |
| jmil | kanzure: what darpa project? | 14:14 |
| kanzure | jmil: DARPA announced that they wanted to fund a "sourceforge for vehicles and other cyber-electromechanical systems" (aka SKDB) | 14:14 |
| kanzure | so i have a team going after it.. | 14:14 |
| jmil | kanzure: ya reprap.git is 1 GB, i thought 2 GB because i was also measuring the current working directory | 14:14 |
| jmil | kanzure: how can i help? | 14:15 |
| kanzure | do you know a prime contractor? | 14:15 |
| kanzure | i have a few leads at the moment but i don't know which (or if any) will work out | 14:15 |
| jmil | we can write a shell script if you just need some prime numbers | 14:16 |
| jmil | you mean to ironworks things? | 14:16 |
| jmil | for robotz? | 14:16 |
| kanzure | ironworks? | 14:16 |
| jmil | i just assume you mean big metal robotz | 14:16 |
| kanzure | in the defense contracting industry, a "prime contractor" is the company that formally submits the offer/proposal/grant-application to DARPA or the DoD | 14:17 |
| kanzure | little small time guys usually don't submit it directly | 14:17 |
| jmil | oh. university then? | 14:17 |
| kanzure | that's one of my options but no, not necessarily | 14:17 |
| kanzure | an example of this would be if i knew some guys at boeing' | 14:17 |
| jmil | oh some of the reprap guyz can help with that maybe | 14:17 |
| jmil | ask in #reprap | 14:17 |
| kanzure | ask for what? | 14:18 |
| jmil | contacts at boeing | 14:18 |
| kanzure | okay | 14:18 |
| kanzure | jmil: btw, i should mention that management of the gada prize is being transferred over to me | 14:19 |
| kanzure | just so you know.. | 14:20 |
| jmil | oh shit lol | 14:20 |
| jmil | good to know your conflicts of interest | 14:20 |
| kanzure | what's the conflict? | 14:21 |
| kanzure | i was just trying to explain my reaction in #reprap | 14:21 |
| jmil | oh lol | 14:21 |
| jrayhawk | git://diyhpl.us/reprap | 14:22 |
| kanzure | woo it's working | 14:22 |
| kanzure | Receiving objects: 8% (3898/44969), 2.82 MiB | 352 KiB/s | 14:22 |
| kanzure | not a bad speed | 14:22 |
| jrayhawk | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/ | 14:23 |
| jrayhawk | http://diyhpl.us/reprap/ | 14:23 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: the git:// link now updates object pull, thanks!!!!!!!!!!! | 14:23 |
| jmil | i'm getting 1.4 MiB/s | 14:23 |
| jmil | excellent | 14:23 |
| kanzure | !!11111oneoneone | 14:23 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: oh shit, you already made a commit to it, we have to reverse that | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk | whyfor | 14:24 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with a commit? | 14:24 |
| jmil | we need master to be a pristine pull and rebase from the SVN because we are not ready to finalize the move yet | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk | oh, troublesome | 14:24 |
| kanzure | huh? | 14:24 |
| kanzure | so then what was the point | 14:24 |
| kanzure | er, i mean.. | 14:24 |
| kanzure | didn't people already fork the repos on github anyway | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk | Horm. | 14:25 |
| jrayhawk | I'll go see if I can fix that. | 14:26 |
| jmil | kanzure: no it's never been on github | 14:32 |
| kanzure | my bad | 14:32 |
| kanzure | makerbot has been, i think? | 14:32 |
| jmil | github only allows 10 collaborators (read: commit access) and 2 GB max | 14:32 |
| jmil | they have been talking about transitioning to git for a year or two | 14:32 |
| jmil | now they are finally going to do it, but i don't want it to go badly, it has to be right the first time | 14:33 |
| kanzure | yeah i saw adrian just raw committing svn files? | 14:33 |
| kanzure | i mean, without commit history | 14:33 |
| jmil | so we need complete SVN history, easy commit access | 14:33 |
| jmil | ya kanzure check that thread... i corrected him that we can get total SVN history and he said | 14:34 |
| jmil | I'm not proposing to do it this way as the final solution - I'm just | 14:34 |
| jmil | experimenting at the moment. | 14:34 |
| jmil | When it's all sorted, I'll re-do it with the svn history intact. | 14:34 |
| jmil | Indeed, what I may well do is to re-organise the svn repository to the | 14:34 |
| jmil | structure of the git repository as the last thing done in svn, then | 14:34 |
| jmil | move the lot across. | 14:34 |
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| jmil | so my planned infrastructure is one server (yours?) where the main git repo lives, all official devs have commit access there | 14:36 |
| kanzure | jmil: i was wondering, can i have a shell account on seas.upenn.edu (or w/e) for grabbing papers? | 14:36 |
| jmil | kanzure: i can't do that because you said that... | 14:36 |
| jmil | i can pull papers for you and send them to you if you send me the links to the papers | 14:36 |
| jmil | because it's all for academic purposes... | 14:36 |
| kanzure | "all official devs have commit access there" sometimes it's just one dev with commit access, but either way is ok | 14:36 |
| kanzure | jmil: i usually grab about 100 papers/day | 14:36 |
| kanzure | i recommend not offering your manual services :D | 14:37 |
| jmil | kanzure: i'm trying to keep it the same as what I think reprap SVN is used to, and it has multiple committers | 14:37 |
| kanzure | jmil: sounds good to me | 14:37 |
| jmil | then i want a cron job to push changes onto github | 14:37 |
| jmil | so there is a read-only there for the vast majority of other uses to fork and pull | 14:37 |
| kanzure | how about a commit hook :) | 14:37 |
| kanzure | others can fork, pull and clone from the gnusha/diyhplus domain btw | 14:38 |
| jmil | kanzure: oh ya, a hook! but prolly a cron job just in case, right? | 14:38 |
| kanzure | if you do a hook then whenever something gets committed, github gets updated too | 14:38 |
| jmil | kanzure: but it's not as good as including all the people that are very familiar with github | 14:38 |
| jrayhawk | Only if github is unreliable. | 14:38 |
| jmil | oh github is reliable. i have the makerbot repo working this way, with a cron job | 14:38 |
| jmil | the only difference is people would have commit access | 14:38 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: you should track down Ben Brockert .. he'd be local to you now (working at Armadillo Aerospace) and I just saw him asking about laser cutting. | 14:39 |
| kanzure | Ben Brockert <wikkit@gmail.com> | 14:39 |
| kanzure | got it | 14:39 |
| QuantumG | you could invite him to some techshop event or something.. if you've found any of those that are worthwhile | 14:40 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: you mean in the austin area? | 14:40 |
| kanzure | also do you prefer your biodome or gmail address | 14:40 |
| QuantumG | gmail | 14:40 |
| QuantumG | I dunno how far he is away from you.. but it's the same state. | 14:40 |
| QuantumG | (biggest state in the US, but anyway..) | 14:41 |
| dustbin | about 3 to 4 hours | 14:41 |
| kanzure | wait where is he? | 14:42 |
| dustbin | armadillo indicates dallas | 14:42 |
| kanzure | hah, yeah that's not happening | 14:42 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: but thanks :) | 14:42 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, that git repo should be in better shape. | 14:43 |
| QuantumG | just an idea. know anyone in Texas that does laser cutting/drilling? | 14:43 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: now how do i not break it by committing to it? | 14:43 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: tons.. i just wrote out this huge email to him and discarded it | 14:43 |
| jrayhawk | use git tools rather than manual filesystem operations :) | 14:43 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: ok | 14:43 |
| jmil | jrayhawk and kanzure this is what i follow for makerbot and reprap svn repo: | 14:44 |
| jmil | http://www.fnokd.com/2008/08/20/mirroring-svn-repository-to-github/ | 14:44 |
| jrayhawk | So, git push ssh://diyhpl.us/srv/git/reprap master or what have you | 14:44 |
| jmil | perfect | 14:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: you should probably read that fnokd.com link and complain about how wrong it is or something | 14:44 |
| jmil | then basically i envision every reprap dev has his/her own branch. Then only one committer is responsible for merging to master | 14:44 |
| jmil | but all branches are pushed onto github | 14:44 |
| kanzure | oh wait it looks relatively right | 14:44 |
| jmil | yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!1!1one | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | There's no real branch security for git, so I'm not sure how well your plan will work out in practice. | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | I guess it depends on the people involved. | 14:45 |
| kanzure | won't someone say "hey that shouldn't be in master"? | 14:46 |
| jrayhawk | The git model is more designed for people to each maintain their own repositories. | 14:46 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: you gotta see linus' philosophy on it | 14:47 |
| jmil | he has it *exactly* right | 14:47 |
| jmil | that's what we will do here | 14:47 |
| jmil | kanzure: you too | 14:47 |
| kanzure | hm? | 14:48 |
| kanzure | oh, you mean i should see linus talk about git | 14:48 |
| jmil | we're taking linus' philosophy | 14:48 |
| jmil | ya | 14:48 |
| kanzure | yeah, i remember his talks on git | 14:48 |
| jmil | kanzure: so when people say "that shouldn't be in master" then it's up to the maintainer to make a decision. since anyone can be a node and all git repos are equal, it's up to the community to prune or support the "main" master trunk | 14:50 |
| QuantumG | Rockwell, Texas | 14:50 |
| QuantumG | guessing that's a suburb of Dallas | 14:51 |
| jmil | then if something breaks, the maintainer doesn't have to fix it. the maintainer instead says to the committer... this is broken, please fix it, rebase, and send back to me | 14:51 |
| jmil | it's less of a problem with reprap where it's mostly design files tho | 14:51 |
| jmil | so i think (maybe naively) taht it has a better chance of working for us | 14:51 |
| jmil | it's worked very well for MakerBot/G3Firmware, for which I have commit access | 14:51 |
| kanzure | heh i can imagine some flame wars now | 14:52 |
| kanzure | about whether or not to commit before or after physical test | 14:52 |
| kanzure | never commit untested code, right? right? | 14:52 |
| jmil | lol | 14:52 |
| jmil | basically, here: | 14:52 |
| jmil | http://github.com/makerbot/G3Firmware/network | 14:52 |
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| jmil | a bunch of us can commit onto github, but phooky is really the one with his head wrapped around the code best | 14:53 |
| jmil | so he prunes or rejects our changes as he sees fit. it's up to us to convince him | 14:53 |
| jmil | or do better and replace his value | 14:53 |
| jmil | but it'd be impossible to do better and replace him, so instead socially he ends up holding the keys | 14:53 |
| kanzure | neato: | 14:53 |
| kanzure | Title: Growth and replication of red rain cells at 121 oC and their red fluorescence | 14:53 |
| jmil | link? | 14:53 |
| kanzure | pdf: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1008.4960v1 | 14:53 |
| kanzure | http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.4960 | 14:54 |
| jmil | what's a rain cell?? | 14:54 |
| jmil | oh, a thermophile | 14:54 |
| kanzure | commentary: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/09/02/1958231/DNA-Less-Red-Rain-Cells-Reproduce-At-121-C | 14:55 |
| kanzure | red rain is something like acid rain i think? | 14:55 |
| kanzure | so yeah, extremophile | 14:55 |
| superkuh | Or someone mistaking complex lipid structures for living cells. | 14:56 |
| jmil | kanzure: lol they autoclave, then claim the reaction is simply from temp | 14:56 |
| jmil | but autoclave is very high pressure too | 14:56 |
| jmil | they completely ignore | 14:56 |
| jmil | <smacks head> | 14:56 |
| * jmil smacks head | 14:57 | |
| jmil | ouch | 14:57 |
| jmil | 121 C for 2 hours at atmospheric pressure == no liquid growth medium left | 14:58 |
| jmil | lol | 14:58 |
| superkuh | Unless you are refluxing it... | 14:58 |
| jmil | counting cells is also not the *best* way to do this, you need to do optical absorbance measurements | 14:59 |
| jmil | superkuh: good point | 14:59 |
| kanzure | "My research field is hyperthermophilic Archaea that grows at 90C or more and I know the existence of microbes that can grow at even higher temperatures, so this part of the claim is feasible." i want some | 14:59 |
| jmil | why do you want some? they might be toxic | 15:00 |
| jmil | why didn't they isolate the DNA???? | 15:00 |
| kanzure | jmil: read the comments.. wikipedia delivers, as usual | 15:00 |
| jmil | you mean slashdot? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:01 |
| kanzure | but the comments were talking about the wikipedia article | 15:01 |
| jmil | link? | 15:02 |
| kanzure | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1775196&cid=33456718 | 15:04 |
| jmil | i don't see wikipedia link | 15:08 |
| jmil | but this quote is good: To go from "our test found no DNA" to "there is no DNA" to "they must be extraterrestrial" to "they look like the dust clouds in Monocerous" is a series of leaps that go wayyy ahead of the available evidence, in my view. | 15:08 |
| kanzure | read the child comments | 15:09 |
| jmil | i think prions should have voting rights in the US. | 15:09 |
| jmil | just saying... | 15:09 |
| jmil | i had so much trouble getting them to sign an NDA tho. | 15:10 |
| jmil | kanzure: he's also not saying they could possibly grow in the rain or the clouds, as they need LB medium | 15:11 |
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| jmil | I like the TEM of the emulsion though. it's easy to make lipid bilayers and double membranes in a test tube. any size you want. | 15:12 |
| QuantumG | prions are overqualified to vote in the US | 15:14 |
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| jmil | QuantumG: i resemble that comment | 15:23 |
| QuantumG | heh | 15:24 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | anyone here know a little about setting up pbs for the management of scientific computing clusters? | 16:10 |
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| jmil | kanzure: don't you have pub access through UT? | 16:25 |
| kanzure | i can always use backups | 16:32 |
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| kanzure | jmil: would you like to email the reprap-dev list with the deets or should i? | 17:30 |
| kanzure | let's flood this guy's inbox with suggestions for ridiculous courses | 17:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.polymathlectures.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=20 | 17:32 |
| kanzure | "If you could learn any subject at this very moment without applying it toward a degree, which would it be?" | 17:32 |
| jmil | kanzure: let's wait... i'd like to have a plan with Adrian first | 17:33 |
| jmil | for migration and user management, commits, etc | 17:33 |
| jmil | the problem is that neither of us know how people usually function with the SVN repo | 17:34 |
| kanzure | presumably "poorly" | 17:34 |
| jmil | prolly we'll keep master as the main tracking SVN pristine, then have a second branch people can commit to as they migrate to git | 17:34 |
| jmil | then at some point adrian will pull the plug on SVN, and we'll tell people to commit to master isntaead | 17:35 |
| jmil | instead | 17:35 |
| jrayhawk | Is there some room I should monitor and provide information on infrastructure limitations and opportunities? | 17:35 |
| jmil | we can try in #reprap but i don't think any of the committers are in there (even though 100 peeps) | 17:36 |
| jmil | i asked earlier | 17:36 |
| jrayhawk | BTW you are free to rape a shitload of bandwidth on that system. | 17:37 |
| kanzure | fantastic | 17:37 |
| jrayhawk | That colocation facility also hosts, e.g. freedesktop.org | 17:37 |
| jmil | i asked anyone have commit access to SVN reprap repo? We're trying to setup the git version and wanted to get more info on the workflow for the SVN repo | 17:38 |
| jmil | [8:37PM] jmil: so we can assist with the migration | 17:38 |
| jmil | [8:37PM] jmil: it will be grand | 17:38 |
| jmil | response: crickets | 17:39 |
| kanzure | jmil: irc is a variable lag communication medium | 17:39 |
| jmil | i'll just ask Adrian | 17:39 |
| jmil | kanzure: #reprap is usually quite populous but it's mostly on Euro time | 17:39 |
| jmil | so now's not the best time | 17:39 |
| jmil | kanzure and jrayhawk i'm trying one more git-svn flag to try to get the author email address back... might work | 17:43 |
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| kanzure | ah so it was there? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | XPSkeith: hi | 17:44 |
| XPSkeith | hi | 17:45 |
| jrayhawk | From previous conversions I've seen done, you need to manually parse commits in order to preserve everything you'd want to, and it takes *forever* because SVN is painfully slow. | 17:46 |
| jrayhawk | I can probably dig up some expertise on the subject if you want. | 17:46 |
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| jrayhawk | And you'd need to make a pretty sophisticated system if you wanted to move stuff back and forth. | 17:53 |
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| jmil | jrayhawk: what do you mean we'd want to manually parse commits? | 18:24 |
| jmil | jrayhawk can you make me a new .git folder to test a new git repo push? | 18:26 |
| kanzure | jmil: just run "newrepo" | 18:26 |
| jmil | do i have to cd into the git folder? I don't have write perms there | 18:26 |
| kanzure | you could make the git folder in your home directory if it's non-critical that it's on /srv/git/ | 18:27 |
| jmil | i want to test it in /srv/git with the cgit system in my browser | 18:27 |
| kanzure | what repo name would you like | 18:28 |
| jmil | reprap_test would be great, thanks! | 18:28 |
| kanzure | done | 18:29 |
| jmil | kanzure: i found the command to change adrian-bowyer@cb376a5e-1013-0410-a455-b6b1f9ac8223 to adrian-bowyer | 18:29 |
| jmil | etc. | 18:29 |
| kanzure | er, what about his actual email address? | 18:29 |
| jmil | it's not in the SVN commits as far as i can tell | 18:29 |
| kanzure | oh it's sourceforge.. the commits are probably just sourceforge usernames :( | 18:29 |
| jmil | ya, that's what i figure | 18:29 |
| kanzure | the commit *authors | 18:30 |
| jmil | do you think the @ string means anything? | 18:30 |
| kanzure | a funky hash no doubt.. i don't know what the meaning is, however | 18:30 |
| jmil | they're all the exact same it seems like | 18:30 |
| kanzure | for each author or for all authors? | 18:30 |
| jmil | all authors | 18:30 |
| kanzure | huh. uh.. | 18:30 |
| jmil | how do i wipe the git repo in reprap.git and re-push up a fresh copy? | 18:31 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: did you do some work on reprap.git in particular? | 18:31 |
| jmil | i tried git push --mirror but it didn't work, says everything is up to date | 18:31 |
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| jmil | kanzure: ya jrayhawk said to keep from messing it up i need to use git instead of file copy/rm | 18:32 |
| kanzure | so wait, you want to re-upload the repository? may i ask why | 18:32 |
| jmil | see above... | 18:32 |
| jmil | to re-upload a repo without the @ string | 18:33 |
| jmil | but i don't want to undo jrayhawk 's efforts | 18:33 |
| kanzure | there's a way to use git tree filters to edit all of the commit messages/authors | 18:33 |
| kanzure | so if joe did something worth keeping, i can throw some filter-foo at it | 18:33 |
| kanzure | and if not, i'll scratch the repository? | 18:34 |
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| kanzure | hi kristianpaul | 18:34 |
| kanzure | jmil: how about you upload the fresh one to reprap_test for now? | 18:34 |
| jmil | joe got the folder shared, the cgit working, the git daemon running correctly... | 18:34 |
| jmil | ok, i'll try that | 18:35 |
| kanzure | or do you need me to reset reprap_test first | 18:35 |
| jmil | reset it how? | 18:35 |
| kanzure | back to when i first created it - i haven't checked if you have done anything with it in the past few min | 18:35 |
| jmil | i bet gnusha has fatter pipe than me here, so i'll prolly create a new one in my home dir on gnusha instead | 18:35 |
| jmil | oh no didn't do anything yet | 18:36 |
| kanzure | okay. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: reprap_test.git has a commit message that says the following: | 18:36 |
| kanzure | commit f5d0b4f6fb0bd84a421046eb2c08b9d8df94405e | 18:36 |
| kanzure | Author: root <root@gnusha.svcs.cs.pdx.edu> | 18:36 |
| kanzure | Date: Mon Jul 19 00:08:14 2010 -0700 | 18:36 |
| kanzure | Initial content. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i'm guessing this is the ikiwiki initial content commit | 18:36 |
| kanzure | uh i guess i was thinking the date was weird but nevermind, it's probably just a copied repo | 18:39 |
| kanzure | which makes for interesting mergers in the future? | 18:39 |
| jmil | lol | 18:39 |
| jmil | i will wipe the dir? | 18:40 |
| kanzure | which one? | 18:40 |
| jmil | reprap_test.git | 18:40 |
| kanzure | have at it | 18:40 |
| jmil | i started a new svn fetch in a screen instance. did control-a-d to detach | 18:40 |
| kanzure | right | 18:41 |
| jmil | now when i type fg it doesn't get me back in! | 18:41 |
| kanzure | screen -x | 18:41 |
| jmil | it says no such job | 18:41 |
| jmil | that got it thanks!!! | 18:41 |
| jmil | oh i don't have perms to wipe that reprap_test.git | 18:42 |
| kanzure | yeah.. one sec, i'll do it | 18:42 |
| kanzure | wait, how wiped do you want it? | 18:42 |
| jmil | but i'll need to be able to push git repo into there too... | 18:42 |
| jmil | rm -rf | 18:42 |
| jmil | unless it has setup stuff i can push on top of? | 18:42 |
| kanzure | why does it have to be in /srv/ then? | 18:42 |
| kanzure | oh right, cgit | 18:43 |
| jmil | will cgit just automagically do everything for any .git it finds in /srv? | 18:43 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:43 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, sorry, part of the pain in the ass of git and ikiwiki is not having initial content, so newrepo arbitrarily creates some. | 18:43 |
| jmil | niiiice | 18:43 |
| jrayhawk | I got rid of this on the main reprap.git | 18:43 |
| jmil | what is reprap-backup.git? | 18:43 |
| kanzure | probably joe being safe | 18:43 |
| jmil | oh good :) | 18:43 |
| jmil | thanks joe | 18:43 |
| kanzure | so wait, you don't have push privledges on reprap_test.git? | 18:44 |
| jmil | is joe jrayhawk ? | 18:44 |
| jrayhawk | The old one you had in place with the wonky permissions. | 18:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: yes | 18:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i created reprap_test.git with newrepo and addaccess; shouldn't this cover it? | 18:44 |
| kanzure | i mean, the jsmiller user should be able to push to it right? | 18:44 |
| jrayhawk | He might need to relogin since Unix permissions aren't dynamic. | 18:45 |
| jmil | i think i need to git clone --mirror | 18:45 |
| jrayhawk | Depends on what he's doing. | 18:45 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i think he's running git svn and wants to push stuff into reprap_test.git | 18:45 |
| jmil | yes that's it kanzure | 18:45 |
| kanzure | i guess if you're running git svn it's going to create its own repository | 18:45 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, he's doing that locally on gnusha; he'll need to relogin. | 18:46 |
| jrayhawk | Sorry, unix sucks. | 18:46 |
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| kanzure | ah right because i added him to the user group | 18:46 |
| jmil | ya i'm making repo in home | 18:46 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: in this case, reprap_test.git is already created, so his repo in ~ will have to be copied over to /srv/git/? i'm not sure on the flow in this case | 18:46 |
| jmil | i was able to do it for reprap.git because i had write perms | 18:47 |
| kanzure | if you relogin you'll have write permission | 18:47 |
| jmil | so i rm -rf the contents of the folder, then git clone --mirror | 18:47 |
| kanzure | aha you rm -rf'd.. | 18:47 |
| jrayhawk | aaaaaaa | 18:47 |
| jmil | ok thx | 18:47 |
| kanzure | um | 18:47 |
| jmil | um what? | 18:47 |
| jrayhawk | oh, different folder | 18:48 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: right | 18:48 |
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| kanzure | but still, rm -rf'ing stuff shouldn't be necessary | 18:48 |
| jrayhawk | It's necessary for clones. | 18:48 |
| jmil | ya i think so too | 18:48 |
| jrayhawk | To get rid of clones, specifically. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | i guess piny doesn't really let you pick a repository already in existence | 18:48 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I should correct that. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | ok. so rm -rf goodness for now | 18:48 |
| jmil | better to be safe and clean since we want this to be source for lots of people | 18:48 |
| kanzure | "goodness" | 18:48 |
| jmil | if it were for just me i wouldn't care about dangling clones | 18:49 |
| jmil | i've never met an rm -rf i didn't like | 18:49 |
| * jmil just wants to make sure he never gets admin privileges | 18:49 | |
| jrayhawk | I'm going to do some work to make this a little less screwy for you. | 18:50 |
| jmil | ok, thx. maybe i can learn more about the hooks you did for reprap.git so we can move them to reprap_test.git, then potentially delete reprap.git and rename _test to reprap.git | 18:51 |
| jmil | then we'd be golden, i think | 18:51 |
| jmil | then we could delete the _backup.git | 18:51 |
| jmil | and then make a new _backup.git | 18:51 |
| jmil | and then we'd be ready to rock | 18:51 |
| jrayhawk | why aren't you just pushing to reprap.git | 18:52 |
| jmil | because i need to overwrite it completely, see above | 18:52 |
| kanzure | he's redoing the svn conversion to fix the author strings | 18:53 |
| kanzure | i suggested we just use a git tree filter | 18:53 |
| jmil | all authors have an @HASH string | 18:53 |
| * kanzure shrugs | 18:53 | |
| jrayhawk | I think you can git push -f | 18:53 |
| jmil | i don't know what is git tree filter, so i'm doing the hard way | 18:53 |
| jmil | git push --mirror -f ? | 18:53 |
| jrayhawk | What's the 'mirror' for? | 18:53 |
| kanzure | jmil: filters are nasty and evil and only crazy people use them :P | 18:53 |
| jmil | lol | 18:53 |
| jmil | --mirror is supposed to overwrite the contents completely, and keep remote refs etc. | 18:54 |
| jmil | but it wasn't working | 18:54 |
| kanzure | "Lets you rewrite git revision history by rewriting the branches mentioned in the <rev-list options>, applying custom filters on each revision. Those filters can modify each tree (e.g. removing a file or running a perl rewrite on all files) or information about each commit." | 18:54 |
| jmil | because i tried that already | 18:54 |
| jmil | i'm also making a text file (damn you vi!!!!!!!) so i can remember what i did | 18:55 |
| jmil | and then i will write down what you did | 18:55 |
| jmil | hopefully | 18:55 |
| jmil | if i understand... | 18:55 |
| jrayhawk | Why would a bare repo need a remote? | 18:55 |
| jrayhawk | And you have no tags. | 18:55 |
| jrayhawk | And only one branch. | 18:55 |
| jmil | i'm considering the working tree in my home directory on gnusha the main tree where i'm slurping down the git svn | 18:57 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 18:57 |
| jmil | i don't want to do this directly in the /srv/git folder | 18:57 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, that makes sense. | 18:57 |
| QuantumG | heh, kanzure: Bryan, I'll contact you off list in the next couple of weeks. (Your website is timing out, btw.) .. there you go, answering the question asked has benefits | 18:57 |
| jmil | but the stuff in /srv/git will eventually need to also know that there's an SVN remote | 18:58 |
| jmil | so i was trying to mirror my home git repo into /srv/git | 18:58 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to overcome my anxiety of redoing all of heybryan.org's url paths.. it's like, what, 5 years of posting links on the web? that will now all be broken if i finally fix my apache config? | 18:58 |
| jmil | kanzure: you need perl | 18:59 |
| kanzure | no, you never need perl | 18:59 |
| jmil | lol | 18:59 |
| kanzure | i really don't want to write redirects for each and every incoming link (a few hundred thousand) | 18:59 |
| kanzure | oh well. i'll get over it. | 19:00 |
| jmil | why you need to redo the url paths? just keep the old ones and make new ones fit the new schema | 19:00 |
| jmil | then you have some historic caché | 19:00 |
| kanzure | because legacy support is already the name of the game | 19:00 |
| jmil | and character | 19:00 |
| kanzure | there's no point in adding on new legacies | 19:00 |
| jmil | "back in my day... the URLs used to read like this..." | 19:01 |
| jrayhawk | You can use rewriterules to translate the old to new. | 19:01 |
| jrayhawk | You can also hit yourself in the head with a hammer. | 19:01 |
| jrayhawk | It feels basically the same! | 19:01 |
| jmil | lmao | 19:01 |
| kanzure | yeah that was what i was trying to avoid with "i really don't want to write redirects for each and every incoming link (a few hundred thousand)" | 19:01 |
| kanzure | :( | 19:01 |
| jrayhawk | Well, it would be classes of links. | 19:01 |
| * kanzure goes off to hit his head with a hammer | 19:01 | |
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| jrayhawk | I assume most of your stuff is static anyway, so most of the namespaces translation could be pretty well automated. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:02 |
| jmil | you could do the CNN way, where every 404 redirects to your homepage. that won't piss off anyone. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | uh won't it? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll 404 redirect to the internet archive :) | 19:02 |
| jmil | you miss my sarcasm | 19:02 |
| kanzure | CNN and sarcasm don't mix well :( | 19:02 |
| kanzure | hehe | 19:03 |
| jrayhawk | You can brute force it with md5sums and directory paths for long enough to get search engines redirected permanently, at least. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | what? | 19:03 |
| jmil | what is old schema, and what is new schema? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | there was no old schema (it was just legacy support) | 19:04 |
| kanzure | and there is no new schema (yet) | 19:04 |
| jmil | ?? what?? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | there was no schema, it was a pile of crap accumulated over a decade | 19:04 |
| jmil | i just mean how do old urls look | 19:04 |
| jmil | i can't browse your site to find out b/c it is down, naturally | 19:04 |
| kanzure | naturally :) | 19:04 |
| jrayhawk | Get a list of md5sums and old paths, get a list of md5sums and new paths, create 301s programatically based on those lists. | 19:05 |
| jrayhawk | After a few weeks, get rid of the redirect rules. | 19:05 |
| jrayhawk | (I assume they will be a little slow) | 19:05 |
| kanzure | okay maybe i'll spend some time thinking up new paths | 19:05 |
| kanzure | jmil: here's a 2008 version http://web.archive.org/web/20080729061837/http://heybryan.org/ | 19:05 |
| jmil | so you want new URL style for your 11,000 bookmarks? | 19:07 |
| jmil | the bookmark links don't work in the way back machine, so i can't see what happens when you click one of those number-ordered links | 19:08 |
| kanzure | well, if it's the bookmarks then i'd just want to write a better parser for the bookmark format that i was using | 19:08 |
| jmil | so what is it then? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | it's the crap spewed on / | 19:09 |
| kanzure | and some other stuff, like /~bbishop/docs/* and /books/* and /~bryan/* | 19:09 |
| kanzure | oh and /docs/* | 19:09 |
| kanzure | basically it looked something like this :P http://eugen.leitl.org/ | 19:09 |
| jrayhawk | I'm working on your push problem, jmil, just so you know. | 19:10 |
| jmil | oh thanks jrayhawk ! | 19:10 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, it looks like refs/remotes/ are not preserved during a clone operation, so there isn't any point trying to push remotes to a bare repository. | 19:12 |
| jrayhawk | oh wait, I meant to mirror, didn't I | 19:12 |
| jrayhawk | hum dee dum ignore me i am dumb | 19:12 |
| jrayhawk | Nope, even on git clone --mirror | 19:14 |
| jmil | so i had copied the .git/svn/.metadata file | 19:15 |
| jmil | that's all we need | 19:15 |
| jmil | i think | 19:15 |
| jmil | going afk for a while... | 19:15 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@gnusha:~$ git clone ~jsmiller/reprap_test/ | 19:19 |
| jrayhawk | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/jrayhawk/reprap_test/.git/ | 19:19 |
| jrayhawk | warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. | 19:19 |
| jrayhawk | perhaps you should stop manually screwing around inside of git repos | 19:21 |
| gnusha_ | it hurts | 19:21 |
| gnusha_ | :( | 19:21 |
| jrayhawk | jmil is going to keep us on our toes | 19:24 |
| kanzure | wait until you meet the reprap developers | 19:24 |
| jrayhawk | this is why god invented pinysell | 19:24 |
| jrayhawk | pinyshell | 19:24 |
| jrayhawk | jmil is one of those people who are never 'lost', merely 'exploring', isn't he | 19:25 |
| jrayhawk | i call those people 'scientists' | 19:25 |
| jrayhawk | and they are sadistic bastards | 19:25 |
| jrayhawk | Anyway, when you have what you want, just git push --force /srv/git/reprap.git master | 19:32 |
| jrayhawk | Dangling objects will be garbage collected whenver cron.daily does its thing. | 19:34 |
| kanzure | i'm still suspicious about crond | 19:34 |
| kanzure | 20:50 < fenn> can't you run a cron job? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:50 < kanzure> probably, but cron and i have never got along | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:51 < pmetzger> ??? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:51 < pmetzger> what's hard about cron? | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:51 < pmetzger> put script in file. put line in crontab saying "run script every day at hour X" | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:52 < kanzure> and then it doesn't happen | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:55 < fenn> that's been my experience too :\ | 19:35 |
| kanzure | ^ from http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-01.log | 19:35 |
| kanzure | 20:55 < fenn> maybe something's just broken on davinci | 19:35 |
| jrayhawk | I've had some problems with cron and ubuntu, but I think that's just because upstart is a giant pile of garbage and doesn't take well to being containerized. | 19:36 |
| jrayhawk | Because for some reason upstart wants to handle all hotplug stuff. | 19:36 |
| kanzure | is upstart some cron-specific stuff on ubuntu? | 19:36 |
| jrayhawk | Upstart is Ubuntu's nutty init replacement. | 19:37 |
| kanzure | or is that rc0-3? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | i see | 19:37 |
| kanzure | yeah that doesn't sound safe | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | Other distributions have tragicly started using it. | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | Some people are working on something more like what OS X has that looks a lot less insane. | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html | 19:38 |
| jrayhawk | They're on the fence about whether or not to replace cron, I think. | 19:38 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: it's possible your cron woes are caused by system downtime, in which case anacron might be more your speed...? | 19:51 |
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| kanzure | nah, davinci had 100+ day uptimes and the cronjobs i wanted were much less than 100d lengths | 19:53 |
| kanzure | intervals | 19:53 |
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| jrayhawk | Other cron gotchas are the need to make things in /etc/cron.x executable, and that cron does not source /etc/profile | 20:37 |
| jrayhawk | Which means, for instance, that, even when running as root, the various sbins are not in the PATH | 20:37 |
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| jrayhawk | This is all mitigated somewhat by the fact that cron emails root under all but perfect execution, so any problems should make themselves real obvious if you've properly configured mail. | 20:39 |
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| jrayhawk | it can also mail other people if you set the MAILTO variable | 20:45 |
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| kanzure | long and relatively boring thread about sourceforge vs. github | 21:52 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/a901eef6424702c8 | 21:52 |
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| jmil | kanzure jrayhawk i'm back... trying to nuke the contents of reprap_test.git | 22:04 |
| jmil | but don't have permission (yes i logged out, and logged back in) | 22:04 |
| kanzure | jmil: both joe and i are suggesting that you don't use file utilities.. just use git | 22:07 |
| jmil | ok | 22:07 |
| kanzure | 19:32 < jrayhawk> Anyway, when you have what you want, just git push --force /srv/git/reprap.git master | 22:07 |
| kanzure | or, in this case, reprap_test.git | 22:07 |
| jmil | problem: | 22:09 |
| jmil | git clone --mirror ~/reprap_test | 22:09 |
| jmil | fatal: destination path 'reprap_test.git' already exists and is not an empty directory. | 22:09 |
| kanzure | um | 22:09 |
| kanzure | that's not what we said to do | 22:09 |
| jmil | i want to push a bare .git directory | 22:10 |
| jmil | will that work or will it try to checkout that .git into /srv/git/ | 22:10 |
| jmil | ? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | git push --force /srv/git/reprap_test.git master | 22:10 |
| jmil | git push --force /srv/git/reprap_test.git master | 22:11 |
| jmil | fatal: '/srv/git/reprap_test.git' does not appear to be a git repository | 22:11 |
| jmil | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | 22:11 |
| kanzure | orly | 22:11 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:11 |
| kanzure | wow wtf happened to this repository | 22:12 |
| jmil | well i didn't do it to reprap_test... | 22:12 |
| kanzure | it's been oblitterated | 22:12 |
| jmil | i don't have perms :) | 22:12 |
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| jrayhawk | Okay, so, explain to me one more time why you're not using git push --force /srv/git/reprap.git master | 22:12 |
| kanzure | "su gnusha" has a funny ring to it | 22:12 |
| kanzure | jmil: ok try pushing again to reprap_test | 22:14 |
| jrayhawk | WHY DOES THE TEST REPOSITORY EXIST AT ALL IF YOU JUST INTEND TO OVERWRITE THE MAIN ONE ANYWAY?! | 22:14 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: is there some reasonable way for us to keep track of what we're doing separately on a server? maybe a log file somewhere "don't touch /blah/blah/blah because it's a bomb" | 22:15 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: because you did a lot of work on the hooks directory and i didn't want to overwrite your efforts | 22:15 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: because reprap.git is the only good copy right now | 22:15 |
| jrayhawk | YOU WILL NOT DO THAT | 22:15 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i wouldn't be so sure.. he's been using rm -rf everywhere | 22:15 |
| jmil | ok, well i'm new to hooks (obviously) and when i asked kanzure to delete the renamed hooks_OLD directory it broke cgit display and git:// checkout | 22:16 |
| jmil | or something | 22:16 |
| jrayhawk | Just use git commands and be aware that things like --force can delete history and we'll all be happy. | 22:16 |
| jmil | ok | 22:17 |
| jrayhawk | There is no way to modify hooks through git commands. | 22:17 |
| jmil | kanzure nuked it for me because i was uploading to the folder via SFTP because the git:// command wasn't working | 22:17 |
| jrayhawk | writes would need to happen through ssh:// (or git+ssh://, which is the same thing) | 22:18 |
| jrayhawk | The git:// interface is read only since the only means of identifying or authorizing people over it is about as complicated as just using SSH. | 22:19 |
| jmil | problem: | 22:19 |
| jmil | git push --force /srv/git/reprap_test.git master | 22:19 |
| jmil | Counting objects: 45033, done. | 22:19 |
| jmil | Delta compression using up to 4 threads. | 22:19 |
| jmil | Compressing objects: 100% (15629/15629), done. | 22:19 |
| jmil | fatal: Unable to create temporary file: Permission denied | 22:19 |
| jmil | error: pack-objects died of signal 13 | 22:19 |
| jmil | error: pack-objects died with strange error | 22:19 |
| jmil | error: failed to push some refs to '/srv/git/reprap_test.git' | 22:19 |
| jrayhawk | < jrayhawk> Okay, so, explain to me one more time why you're not using git push --force /srv/git/reprap.git master | 22:19 |
| kanzure | jmil: i redid the reprap_test repo and you'd have to relogin to fix that | 22:20 |
| kanzure | but again, you should probably just push to reprap.git | 22:20 |
| jmil | i'm really sorry guys, please go easy on me | 22:21 |
| kanzure | :) | 22:21 |
| jmil | i'm pushing to reprap.git now | 22:21 |
| kanzure | is it working? | 22:21 |
| jmil | so far | 22:21 |
| jrayhawk | I am just an angry person in general, don't mind me :) | 22:21 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: really i was trying to save you work | 22:21 |
| kanzure | joe is an angry sysadmin | 22:21 |
| jmil | because kanzure nuked hooks_OLD for me and you then had to go recreate it and fix stuff | 22:21 |
| jmil | so when u weren't here i asked kanzure to make me a new dir so as not to disturb you more | 22:22 |
| jmil | problem: | 22:22 |
| jmil | remote: error: denying non-fast-forward refs/heads/master (you should pull first) | 22:22 |
| jmil | To /srv/git/reprap.git | 22:22 |
| jmil | ! [remote rejected] master -> master (non-fast-forward) | 22:22 |
| jmil | error: failed to push some refs to '/srv/git/reprap.git' | 22:22 |
| jrayhawk | Hmm. | 22:22 |
| jrayhawk | Don't pull. | 22:22 |
| jmil | this is why i was trying to do a --mirror instead of a --force | 22:22 |
| kanzure | are the commit hashes different? | 22:23 |
| jmil | different than what? | 22:23 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, but the --force is supposed to ignore that. | 22:23 |
| jmil | --force | 22:23 |
| jmil | Usually, the command refuses to update a remote ref that is not an ancestor of the local ref used to overwrite it. This flag disables the check. This can cause the remote repository to lose commits; use it with care. | 22:23 |
| jmil | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-push.html | 22:23 |
| jrayhawk | And just push the new ref, consequences be damned | 22:23 |
| jmil | i think git clone --mirror is best | 22:24 |
| jrayhawk | Oh, I bet I know. Just a second. | 22:24 |
| jmil | if i just nuke the contents of the dir then it will be fine | 22:26 |
| jmil | kanzure: since we are taking away the @ hash author string, the sha1 of each commit will necessarily be different | 22:26 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: i will just nuke the contents and try again then? or will that mean you will have to recreate the hooks again | 22:27 |
| jmil | ? | 22:27 |
| jrayhawk | I'm going to work out how to do this the "right" way | 22:28 |
| jmil | look at --mirror | 22:28 |
| jmil | git clone --mirror ~/reprap_test/ | 22:28 |
| jmil | fatal: destination path 'reprap_test.git' already exists and is not an empty directory. | 22:28 |
| jmil | so just nuke the dir | 22:29 |
| jmil | jrayhawk and kanzure the commits are completely and totally different. There are ZERO common ancestors | 22:29 |
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| jrayhawk | Yeah, that's what the --force is for. | 22:30 |
| jrayhawk | All the old objects will become disconnected and cleaned up on the next garbage collect. | 22:30 |
| jmil | is the hooks dir all you need to keep? | 22:35 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:35 |
| jrayhawk | Ah, I see, it's a configuration variable. | 22:37 |
| jrayhawk | git init --bare --shared puts receive.denyNonFastForwards = true in place | 22:39 |
| jrayhawk | Sorry about that :( | 22:39 |
| kanzure | hm? who should do that? | 22:39 |
| jmil | whoa | 22:39 |
| kanzure | and on which repository | 22:39 |
| kanzure | er, i mean, in which .git folder | 22:39 |
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| jrayhawk | It's on the bare repo in /srv/git | 22:40 |
| jrayhawk | I'm pushing the force update now. | 22:40 |
| jrayhawk | It's really spectacularly irritating that it rejects the ref update *after* all the objects are uploaded. | 22:41 |
| jmil | kanzure: doesn't matter to me which one, either one should allow us to test the cgit functionality? | 22:42 |
| jrayhawk | Okay! That's in betterish shape. | 22:42 |
| jmil | should i try again? | 22:42 |
| jmil | to the reprap.git or reprap_test.git? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | jmil: jrayhawk just did it | 22:42 |
| kanzure | so, no | 22:42 |
| jmil | taht is beautiful, thank you jrayhawk and kanzure | 22:43 |
| kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/ | 22:43 |
| jrayhawk | Are you planning on completely overwriting the development history again, or can I put that config safeguard back in place? | 22:44 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i like how cgit gives a hexdump -A output on binary files :) | 22:44 |
| kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/tree/trunk/reprap/mechanics/alloy-extruder/AoIs/clamp.aoi | 22:44 |
| jmil | jrayhawk: you can put the safeguard back in place. THANKS! | 22:45 |
| jmil | pending adrian's approval | 22:45 |
| kanzure | jmil: huh? shouldn't it be disabled until the final svn conversion is done | 22:45 |
| jrayhawk | I will wait for that, then. | 22:46 |
| jmil | kanzure: naw, future pushes will be from the one in my home dir which will have ancestors in the current reprap.git | 22:46 |
| jmil | so in my home dir I will continue to git svn fetch and git svn rebase | 22:46 |
| jmil | this ends up being a straight fast-forward because we are never going to commit to master directly | 22:47 |
| jmil | just yet | 22:47 |
| kanzure | ok. i didn't know about git-svn-fetch | 22:47 |
| jmil | b/c the one in my home dir has the correct author flag to suppress the @ hash author tag on future fetches | 22:47 |
| jmil | nice fat pipes, btw | 22:48 |
| jmil | i'm getting 1 mb/sec pulling down to local hd | 22:48 |
| jmil | niiiiice | 22:48 |
| jmil | git clone git://diyhpl.us/reprap | 22:48 |
| kanzure | our davinci server was doing 10 MB/sec before it died and went to compuheaven | 22:49 |
| kanzure | (it was on me.utexas.edu) | 22:49 |
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| jrayhawk | I've seen 100MB across the NERO network, but I guess that's probably cheating. | 22:52 |
| jrayhawk | err 100Mb | 22:52 |
| kanzure | no man's porn should ever come that fast | 22:52 |
| kanzure | what am i sayingBBBBBBBB? | 22:52 |
| jrayhawk | I am sorry for internet yelling :( | 22:53 |
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| jrayhawk | no wait, it was 100MB i am just dumb | 22:59 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: so might '< jrayhawk> Which means, for instance, that, even when running as root, the various sbins are not in the PATH' explain your troubles with and subsequent distrust of cron? | 23:00 |
| jrayhawk | because i think cron should be your friend | 23:00 |
| kanzure | what about normal bin? | 23:01 |
| jrayhawk | Normal bin works fine. | 23:02 |
| kanzure | hrm | 23:02 |
| kanzure | this requires some experimenting | 23:02 |
| jrayhawk | I usually use full paths out of paranoid habit, though. | 23:02 |
| kanzure | i should become more paranoid | 23:02 |
| jrayhawk | Keeping in mind that things that get executed out of bin will inherit the non-sbin PATH | 23:03 |
| jrayhawk | #hplusroadmap: for all your sysadmin and version control needs | 23:04 |
| jrayhawk | '/window 1 | 23:05 |
| jrayhawk | whoops | 23:05 |
| jrayhawk | all discussions of transhumanism should be subsequently redirected to #git | 23:07 |
| jrayhawk | And, of course, you should set up proper mail handling. | 23:12 |
| jmil | jrayhawk kanzure can we plan how to execute git commit to that reprap repo for 20 developers? | 23:15 |
| jmil | should they all share a git@gnusha login or each user gets own account, or what? | 23:15 |
| jmil | then they have to use git+ssh for commit? | 23:15 |
| jrayhawk | Everyone gets their own account. You are free to add them with the 'newuser' command. | 23:15 |
| jrayhawk | You will subsequently need to 'addaccess reprap that-user-you-just-created' | 23:16 |
| jrayhawk | They will have a severely limited shell that will essentially only allow them access to git and the 'passwd' command. | 23:16 |
| jmil | ok i will try a little more testing and then send instructions to adrian | 23:16 |
| jmil | how do i setup a password for them? is one auto generated? | 23:17 |
| jmil | and for testing i will do some commits, but then how do i reverse them? with jsmiller account I can git reset? | 23:17 |
| jmil | can all accounts that i create execute git-reset? | 23:18 |
| jrayhawk | You'll specify a password. The password doesn't really matter since they can change it later. | 23:18 |
| jmil | does gnusha have command line password generator so it is pseudo secure? | 23:18 |
| jrayhawk | I just installed apg and pwgen, use whichever you like. | 23:19 |
| jmil | can jsmiller account execute git reset? and can accounts i create execute git-reset? | 23:20 |
| jrayhawk | You can run that locally and push whatever refs you like. | 23:20 |
| jrayhawk | Well, other than that denyNonFastForwards part | 23:20 |
| jrayhawk | If I were to disable that, you could push whatever you liked! | 23:21 |
| jmil | so i commit in ~, then push to reprap.git. then i git-reset in ~, then push --mirror? | 23:21 |
| jrayhawk | I suppose if you wanted? Most people manually push their tags and branches so as not to clutter things. | 23:23 |
| jmil | no i'm asking about git-reset since i will be doing test commits right now | 23:23 |
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| jmil | what would keep other users from doing git push --mirror and overwriting things? | 23:24 |
| jrayhawk | Well, they're not allowed to delete history, what with the receive.denyNonFastForward | 23:25 |
| jmil | but that means i also could not delete the test commits i'm about to do | 23:25 |
| jrayhawk | Probably not, no. | 23:26 |
| jrayhawk | You can revert them, though. | 23:27 |
| jrayhawk | Or branch. | 23:27 |
| jrayhawk | Ikiwiki won't pay attention to the new branch, but it'll be accessible through cgit. | 23:27 |
| jrayhawk | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap/refs/ | 23:28 |
| jmil | what do you mean revert them. is that not the git-reset command? | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | If you'd like, I can remove the receive.denyNonFastForwards restriction for the time being. | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | A revert is a commit that undoes a previous commit. | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | Both commits are in the commit log. | 23:29 |
| jmil | ya, maybe let's do that, removing the receive.denyNonFastForwards restriction | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | s/are in/wind up/ | 23:29 |
| jrayhawk | Okay. | 23:30 |
| jrayhawk | In that case you can --force whatever pushes you like. | 23:30 |
| jrayhawk | That's all set. | 23:30 |
| jmil | excellent, thx | 23:30 |
| jmil | ok i'm gonna try user creation, committing, reverting | 23:30 |
| jmil | oh... how do we setup ssh-keys for committing? | 23:31 |
| jmil | easy or hard? | 23:31 |
| jrayhawk | I... haven't really provisioned for that and I really should. | 23:31 |
| jrayhawk | For the time being you can send them to me and I'll set them up manually. | 23:31 |
| jmil | send them to me? the public key? | 23:31 |
| jmil | can you email me your email address using the upenn.edu address you have? | 23:32 |
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| jrayhawk | You, at least, can manage your own SSH keys unless you don't know how, anything you can't deal with can be sent to me at jrayhawk+reprap@omgwallhack.org or over IRC | 23:33 |
| jrayhawk | or XMPP jrayhawk@omgwallhack.org | 23:33 |
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| jrayhawk | Or you can wait for me to provide something within pinyshell to deal with that. | 23:34 |
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