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| Utopiah | De Garis coming to France in January for the 3rd conf by the french transhumanist association http://www.transhumanistes.com | 01:09 |
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| Mariu | thanks | 01:11 |
| archels | Est-ce que il va parler en francais? | 02:23 |
| Utopiah | no idea | 02:24 |
| Utopiah | but there will probably be live broadcast and recordings after (was the case so far) | 02:25 |
| archels | cool | 03:00 |
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| kanzure | ah lawyers... "Does 1-4pm work for you for this call tomorrow?" | 08:45 |
| kanzure | oops i meant "1 to 4pm" not "between 1 and 4pm" | 08:46 |
| JayDugger | Obviously. After all, you've nothing better to do for three whole hours. | 08:46 |
| JayDugger | Best of luck with whatever it involves. | 08:46 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: it involves doom & suffering | 09:00 |
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| AlonzoTG | THERE | 09:16 |
| AlonzoTG | IS | 09:16 |
| AlonzoTG | NO | 09:16 |
| AlonzoTG | SPOON!!!!! | 09:16 |
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| eudoxia | Does Anders Sandberg have a PhD in comp neurosci or comp sci? | 18:30 |
| eudoxia | the information is contradictory | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | I don't recall...have you asked him? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/cv.html | 18:32 |
| kanzure | looks like comp sci to me | 18:32 |
| eudoxia | kanz, i suspected | 18:32 |
| kanzure | "Vasalundsgymnasiet" i think swedish people just like clusterfucks of letters | 18:32 |
| kanzure | looks cooler | 18:32 |
| eudoxia | Wikipedia and the FHI say computational neuroscience | 18:33 |
| kanzure | rather than "Bob C. McBobson Public High School, Anywhere USA" | 18:33 |
| eudoxia | hahaha | 18:34 |
| eudoxia | McBobson | 18:34 |
| eudoxia | christ, there are so many transhumanist computer scientists | 18:34 |
| kanzure | we need more transhumanist mechanical engineers | 18:34 |
| kanzure | and transhumanist coders- i don't mean comp sci algorithmic wankers | 18:35 |
| kanzure | algorithmic wankery has its place but.. code output matters too | 18:35 |
| eudoxia | i have a friend who's both [h+ & mech eng], but i think he's kinda busy being a marine or something | 18:35 |
| eudoxia | and I know what you mean re:algorithmic wankery | 18:36 |
| eudoxia | we also need some neurosci people to back up all these crazy claims about uploading | 18:36 |
| kanzure | who cares about the claims.. | 18:37 |
| kanzure | did you see the MURG reports? | 18:37 |
| eudoxia | no, haven't yet | 18:37 |
| kanzure | ok well they were doing some diy-style nematode brain uploadin' | 18:37 |
| eudoxia | but i will now that you mention it | 18:37 |
| kanzure | or maybe it was c. elegans | 18:37 |
| eudoxia | I know, I asked you about it | 18:37 |
| eudoxia | and the c. elegans is the nematode | 18:38 |
| eudoxia | ... isn't it? | 18:38 |
| kanzure | i don't remember if it was c. elegans or not | 18:38 |
| eudoxia | where did you say MURG was again? i can't find it... again... | 18:39 |
| eudoxia | no, wait | 18:39 |
| eudoxia | here it is | 18:39 |
| eudoxia | http://www.ibiblio.org/jstrout/uploading/MUHomePage.html | 18:39 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20030311112928/http://www.minduploading.org/research/data.nematodeupload.html | 18:39 |
| eudoxia | oh, that one | 18:40 |
| kanzure | there used to be a better page about this.. about their nematode upload project | 18:41 |
| kanzure | showed the device they built | 18:41 |
| eudoxia | the 'device'? | 18:41 |
| eudoxia | the scanner, like an ATLUM? | 18:41 |
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| kanzure | eh, some laser-based approach | 18:44 |
| kanzure | let's see.. | 18:44 |
| eudoxia | oh the electron micrographs are archived YES | 18:45 |
| kanzure | oh here we go | 18:46 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080520053440/http://minduploading.org/research.html | 18:46 |
| kanzure | that was thanks to the logs :) | 18:46 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-06-25.log | 18:46 |
| eudoxia | i was just going to link to that, i saw a more recent archive and said "oh look they have an ATLUM better tell ka--" | 18:47 |
| * klafka pokes fenn_ | 18:47 | |
| klafka | need information about housing even more now :P | 18:47 |
| kanzure | klafka: fenn is unpokable. you should just call him. | 18:47 |
| klafka | what's his #? | 18:47 |
| kanzure | klafka: uhh see pm | 18:47 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: i love those images | 18:48 |
| kanzure | "SCIENCE IS HAPPENING HERE" | 18:48 |
| eudoxia | I love saying ATLUM | 18:49 |
| eudoxia | it just has this ring to it | 18:49 |
| eudoxia | ATLUM | 18:49 |
| kanzure | gee i sure hope that's tape for storing the data | 18:49 |
| eudoxia | I never really knew the tape went that far | 18:50 |
| eudoxia | I thought it just, uh | 18:50 |
| eudoxia | went under the TEM | 18:50 |
| eudoxia | and fell into some kind of trash bin | 18:50 |
| sylph_mako | I hear nematodes can dream. | 18:51 |
| JayDugger | So, H+ rankings: "ethicists" >> comp. sci >> coders > lawyers > mech. eng., right? | 18:53 |
| JayDugger | Oh, and men >> women. | 18:53 |
| klafka | oh kanzure is this atlum stuff about automating thinly slicing pieces of brain and shit? | 18:53 |
| JayDugger | I think I've the quantities right. | 18:53 |
| kanzure | klafka: yes | 18:53 |
| klafka | for connectome reconstrunction | 18:53 |
| kanzure | klafka: i wish todd's work was public, | 18:54 |
| kanzure | but he did some cool reconstruction in software of brain slices | 18:54 |
| kanzure | based on edge detection of where the cell membranes were or vacuoles and so on | 18:54 |
| klafka | are they related to sebastian seung's stuff? | 18:54 |
| kanzure | and then did a 3d fly-through animation | 18:54 |
| klafka | ooh cool | 18:54 |
| kanzure | lolz | 18:55 |
| kanzure | "We are looking for a web/mobile developer to create a "citizen science" platform for connectomics. Applicants should have experience with HTML5, JavaScript, jQuery, and PHP/Python/Ruby, as well as refined design sensibilities. Experience with online games, WebGL, and tablet/mobile products is also desirable. Interested candidates should send a resume, brief statement of interest, sample web site(s) or mobile app(s), and the names of three referenc | 18:55 |
| klafka | calling delinquentme | 18:55 |
| JayDugger | Really now... | 18:55 |
| kanzure | i think that's pretty funny | 18:55 |
| JayDugger | an applicant who meets those requirements? | 18:55 |
| kanzure | posting that on his page | 18:55 |
| kanzure | no..most of us in here meet those requirements | 18:55 |
| kanzure | or at least i do | 18:55 |
| klafka | lmao | 18:56 |
| eudoxia | How good is the software for extracting abstract information from the micrographs? | 18:56 |
| JayDugger | :) | 18:56 |
| kanzure | i think i meet all of those requirements (html5, js, jquery, php, python, ruby, webgl, tablet work, mobile work, online gaming) | 18:56 |
| kanzure | oh "refined design sensibilities" maybe not this one :) | 18:56 |
| JayDugger | Act the snob, quote Tufte, and you should fake that with ease. | 18:56 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: edge detection.. not that advanced. i think imagej probably does it better | 18:57 |
| kanzure | "In principle, connectomes can be found by analyzing brain images to identify synapses and tracing the branches of neurons. In practice, this requires mobilizing both human and machine intelligence on large scales because the image databases are so enormous. " | 18:58 |
| kanzure | eh.. so he wants to do this instead of image analysis? | 18:58 |
| eudoxia | well, if one wants an spiking model, then it wouldn't be much more than finding the neural connections (does edge detection do that?) and some way to detect the type of neuron | 18:59 |
| kanzure | uhh | 18:59 |
| kanzure | it's a little bit more involved than that | 18:59 |
| eudoxia | i gauss | 18:59 |
| JayDugger | Pun? | 18:59 |
| kanzure | spiking models i mean.. | 18:59 |
| kanzure | look up NEURON | 18:59 |
| kanzure | (the software package) | 18:59 |
| kanzure | actually, | 19:01 |
| kanzure | just watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2874207418572601262&q=almaden+cognitive+computing | 19:01 |
| kanzure | skip the first 10min | 19:01 |
| eudoxia | maybe spiking isn't the term | 19:01 |
| kanzure | you should watch that. | 19:01 |
| kanzure | actually, maybe just the first 5min | 19:01 |
| klafka | 'just edge detection' | 19:02 |
| klafka | is a bit deceiving and unfair to | 19:02 |
| klafka | too | 19:02 |
| kanzure | haha | 19:02 |
| kanzure | outline detection, and then following the outline down between multiple layers | 19:03 |
| kanzure | and then categorizing features | 19:03 |
| klafka | gtg flight | 19:03 |
| eudoxia | now that you're at it, do you have any neuroscience textbooks you can recommend? | 19:03 |
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| kanzure | uh, any textbook written by the primary authors of NEURON | 19:04 |
| eudoxia | I was reading 'the computational brain', a guy recommended it, but said it didn't actually teach you how to make computational models | 19:04 |
| eudoxia | do those go from dummy level up or do they assume some previous knowledge? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | usually they assume some basic biology knowledge like what ac cell is | 19:05 |
| kanzure | or the concept of a neruotransmitter | 19:05 |
| kanzure | *neurotransmitter | 19:05 |
| kanzure | i don't think a textbook is a good idea, except for looking at the index at the back and saying "yep, that sounds familiar"" | 19:05 |
| eudoxia | i think i can handle that level | 19:06 |
| kanzure | the vid is cooler | 19:06 |
| eudoxia | i just thought, "well, where's the information at? textbooks!" but there's always the OCW | 19:06 |
| eudoxia | ohhh that's henry markram in the video | 19:06 |
| kanzure | bbl.. driving | 19:07 |
| Mariu | later everyone | 19:29 |
| JayDugger | Good night. | 19:29 |
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| kanzure | back | 19:41 |
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| kanzure | http://j5.jbei.org/index.php/Main_Page | 22:11 |
| kanzure | "a web-based software tool, j5, which automates the design of scar-less multipart DNA assembly protocols including SLIC, Gibson, CPEC, and Golden Gate. " | 22:12 |
| kanzure | eh i guess this is for making combinatorial libraries | 22:12 |
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