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| Mariu | http://www.masswerk.at/googleBBS/ | 00:16 |
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| fenn | too bad it's not a general purpose browser | 00:28 |
| fenn | would have been simple to pipe w3m or whatever to their pager | 00:28 |
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| jrayhawk | that would turn GoogleBBS into a portal, which would turn it into AOL | 02:02 |
| jrayhawk | Its BBS legacy is/was one of the giant culture problems at AOL. | 02:03 |
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| Utopiah | (philosophy warning) http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/Politics_Sociology/ApocalypticAI.html | 05:20 |
| delinquentme | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHg5ij4gBQo | 05:31 |
| delinquentme | ADORABLE! | 05:31 |
| delinquentme | its tracking the yellow ball and gets distracted by other large yellow objects =] | 05:31 |
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| delinquentme | does anyone know of free online software to read text? | 05:42 |
| ThomasEgi | to read text?? | 05:46 |
| ThomasEgi | like.. your browser?? | 05:46 |
| phryk | I think he means text-recognition. | 05:50 |
| phryk | delinquentme: http://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html, http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ no clue about the quality, I'd probably go with the gnu one. | 05:51 |
| delinquentme | Oh nah i wanted to do pushups while my machine reads peter theils class to me | 05:52 |
| delinquentme | :D | 05:52 |
| delinquentme | The pithy, wry version of this is the line about Rhodes Scholars: they all had a great future in their past. | 05:52 |
| delinquentme | LULZ! | 05:52 |
| phryk | Ah you mean text-to-speech :P | 05:52 |
| phryk | There's stuff like festival… | 05:53 |
| delinquentme | can i open it up in a browser and paste text in? | 05:54 |
| delinquentme | maz 70 chars | 05:54 |
| delinquentme | max* | 05:55 |
| phryk | Maybe someone did a wrapper for that, but normally no :P | 05:55 |
| delinquentme | totes useless | 05:55 |
| phryk | huh? what max. 70 chars? | 05:55 |
| phryk | ah the demo :D | 05:56 |
| phryk | well, then run it on your own machine?^^ | 05:56 |
| delinquentme | EWWW | 06:18 |
| delinquentme | i need to install something? | 06:18 |
| delinquentme | isnt that.. unsanitary? | 06:18 |
| phryk | http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lenxybNu9H1qdruxt.gif Can't tell if full-on retard or just trolling. | 06:21 |
| delinquentme | lol me? | 06:22 |
| delinquentme | no haha i mean im not into installing non repo code | 06:22 |
| delinquentme | phryk, are you a windows user? | 06:22 |
| phryk | delinquentme: no. | 06:25 |
| phryk | delinquentme: festival is one of the biggest text-to-speech engines, if your os doesn't have it in it's repo, your os sucks. | 06:25 |
| delinquentme | lol | 06:27 |
| delinquentme | well ubuntu doesnt suck | 06:27 |
| delinquentme | and its installing now | 06:27 |
| phryk | You have an 'nt' there that doesn't belong. | 06:27 |
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| delinquentme | lol phryk i know i know windows is cool for being a dj | 06:33 |
| delinquentme | or an artist | 06:33 |
| delinquentme | :D | 06:33 |
| phryk | huh? | 06:39 |
| phryk | the only thing that windows is a first choice for is games… | 06:39 |
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| delinquentme | phryk, im </trolling> | 06:42 |
| delinquentme | phryk, tell me aboot your skillsets | 06:43 |
| delinquentme | tell me you're into biotech | 06:43 |
| phryk | I'm into biotech. | 06:43 |
| * phryk shrugs. | 06:43 | |
| phryk | I'm a pretty average nerd, I guess… | 06:44 |
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| phryk | delinquentme: Better than you though :F | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | fenn thinks that too | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | well see | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | phryk, you an EE? | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | im in the market for an optimist | 06:51 |
| phryk | iirc fenn was quite competent. | 06:51 |
| delinquentme | ah its his personality which sucks | 06:52 |
| delinquentme | dont quote me on talking about soft shit like personality though | 06:52 |
| delinquentme | ill learn to love him im sure | 06:52 |
| phryk | I'm not an engineer. | 06:52 |
| delinquentme | programmer? | 06:52 |
| phryk | You could say that I guess. | 06:52 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you around? I'm trying to figure out the name of that lab standards exchange conglomerate | 06:53 |
| delinquentme | languages? | 06:53 |
| phryk | bunch, none of them really good. | 06:53 |
| delinquentme | =/ | 06:53 |
| phryk | work as php codewhore… but that's not really a language it's what happens when an idiot gets perl to rape C and the forced child has down syndrome… | 06:54 |
| delinquentme | quote worthy ^ | 06:54 |
| delinquentme | feminine views of competition vrs male views of competition | 06:55 |
| delinquentme | discuss | 06:55 |
| phryk | done a small bit of C/C++ (only playing around, no real projects, few blinking leds a few years back), about one and a half cm-systems in python, a few ugly perlhacks… current site done in common lisp, next will be done in haskell, prolly with yesod. | 06:55 |
| phryk | delinquentme: stop trolling. | 06:56 |
| delinquentme | no im serious aha | 06:56 |
| phryk | Then you're retarded. | 06:56 |
| delinquentme | girls really like emoting about how compeition is hard | 06:56 |
| delinquentme | males grunt and take it | 06:56 |
| delinquentme | metaphorically | 06:56 |
| delinquentme | lololol | 06:57 |
| delinquentme | but really i posted something about competition on FB and all the females come out of the woodwork | 06:57 |
| phryk | delinquentme: I'm really beginning to dislike you. No wonder fenn has problems with you. | 06:57 |
| delinquentme | fenn doesnt like me because he fucked up / gave up on his liquid handler | 06:58 |
| delinquentme | self projection is everyones issue | 06:58 |
| delinquentme | specifically why do you dislike me? | 06:58 |
| phryk | You talk a *lot* of dumb shit. | 06:58 |
| phryk | The first thing you said sounded to me like 'trololol windows teh suck I r use ubnutu lunix, i so 1337' | 06:59 |
| delinquentme | evaluate it then! | 06:59 |
| delinquentme | actually | 06:59 |
| phryk | And the thing about male vs. female views on anything is plain stupid. | 06:59 |
| delinquentme | you might be right | 06:59 |
| delinquentme | theres not really anything constructive in it | 06:59 |
| delinquentme | just observations | 06:59 |
| delinquentme | i gotta go run | 07:00 |
| delinquentme | bbl | 07:00 |
| phryk | Going male 'vs.' female on anything is too lmited for just about everything concerning social interaction. | 07:00 |
| phryk | delinquentme: How am I to evaluate your stupidity if you just run off? | 07:01 |
| ThomasEgi | call them foolish humans. both of them. and you are right in pretty much all cases. | 07:01 |
| phryk | ThomasEgi: That's a generalization I can generally agree with :P | 07:01 |
| * ThomasEgi +1's himself | 07:03 | |
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| phryk | :D | 07:07 |
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| kanzure | ok let's have a vote.. kick him off the island? | 08:23 |
| ThomasEgi | who? | 08:24 |
| ThomasEgi | from what island? | 08:24 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 08:27 |
| kanzure | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/feds-shutter-online-narcotics-store-that-used-tor-to-hide-its-tracks.ars | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > Federal authorities have arrested eight men accused of distributing more than | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > $1 million worth of LSD, ecstasy, and other narcotics with an online | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > storefront that used the TOR anonymity service to mask their Internet | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > addresses. | 08:27 |
| archels | kanzure: n | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > "The Farmer's Market," as the online store was called, was like an Amazon for | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > consumers of controlled substances, according to a 66-page indictment | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > unsealed on Monday. It offered online forums, Web-based order forms, customer | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > service, and at least four methods of payment, including PayPal and Western | 08:27 |
| kanzure | > Union. From January 2007 to October 2009, it processed some 5,256 orders | 08:28 |
| kanzure | > valued at $1.04 million. The site catered to about 3,000 customers in 35 | 08:28 |
| kanzure | > countries, including the United States. | 08:28 |
| archels | The main dude behind that site was a Dutchie. :\ | 08:28 |
| archels | Sites like that probably remain on Tor... | 08:28 |
| kanzure | Large-scale connectivity diagrams of the human brain using Diffusion Spectrum Imaging | 08:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.cind.research.va.gov/docs/Wedeen_DSI_Intro.pdf | 08:29 |
| phryk | kanzure: kick delinquentme? | 08:30 |
| kanzure | phryk: is that a request or a question | 08:31 |
| phryk | a question. | 08:31 |
| phryk | If you meant that earlier. | 08:31 |
| phryk | I'm not having a vote for or against that, but I do kind-of loathe him :P | 08:31 |
| phryk | I'll bow to the public opinion. | 08:31 |
| kanzure | where's yashgaroth, nmz787, juul, and ctobin? | 08:34 |
| delinquentme | not really a new application of TOR | 08:37 |
| _F7_ | 'The Farmers Market' should've accepted BITCOIN | 08:42 |
| _F7_ | with exclusivity | 08:42 |
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| delinquentme | _F7_, thats silk road :D | 08:44 |
| _F7_ | There are guys in the houston area that'll just meet you in a parking lot and give cash for bitcoin. | 08:45 |
| _F7_ | They'll whip out a smartphone and sit until the transaction is confirmed. | 08:45 |
| delinquentme | LOLOLOL | 08:46 |
| _F7_ | It's seedy in a comically cyberpunk way | 08:46 |
| delinquentme | thats phenomenal | 08:46 |
| delinquentme | i think thats fantastic | 08:46 |
| delinquentme | go humans | 08:47 |
| delinquentme | That would be incredibly valuable. If nothing has happened in an industry for a long time, and you come along and dramatically improve something important, chances are that no one else will come and do that again, to you. | 08:48 |
| delinquentme | can someone logic through that for me? | 08:48 |
| kanzure | no | 08:48 |
| delinquentme | are you saying that its illogical? | 08:50 |
| delinquentme | i guess it predicates on "old industry >> no one wants to mess with it" ? | 08:50 |
| kanzure | no i am saying i am cranky | 08:50 |
| kanzure | what are you trying to do ? | 08:50 |
| delinquentme | so do that and then you have monopoly | 08:50 |
| delinquentme | just reading Thiels lecture notes | 08:50 |
| delinquentme | OO he ends on a juicy bit!! | 08:52 |
| delinquentme | This raises the question that we’ll discuss next week: kinds of people do you want to take with you as you head off into the frontier? | 08:52 |
| delinquentme | *swoon* | 08:52 |
| delinquentme | so romantic :P | 08:52 |
| chris_99 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17744314 - 3D printer for drugs | 08:53 |
| ParahSailin | thiel lecture notes | 08:58 |
| ParahSailin | want | 08:58 |
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| _F7_ | Theil makes delinquentme swoon with his allusion to gay fronteirsmen | 09:05 |
| _F7_ | *frontiersmen | 09:05 |
| ParahSailin | did diginet go to last week's txrx open house? | 09:09 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: hi | 09:34 |
| nmz787 | hi | 09:35 |
| _F7_ | If he did, I missed him | 09:41 |
| _F7_ | We never arranged pickup | 09:41 |
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| yashgaroth | hey did you guys see that paper about buckyballs doubling lifespan in rats | 10:37 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: haven't read it yet | 10:45 |
| yashgaroth | it's a weird combination of [high-impact journal + low p-values] and [intraperitoneal injection of olive oil control also extends lifespan 50%] but still | 10:46 |
| yashgaroth | too bad it'll take 6 years to replicate | 10:49 |
| nmz787 | whattt | 10:51 |
| yashgaroth | http://extremelongevity.net/wp-content/uploads/C60-Fullerene.pdf | 10:52 |
| ThomasEgi | fullerene... one of my professor has a fullerene fetish^ | 10:53 |
| ThomasEgi | he's totaly into that thing | 10:53 |
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| Utopiah | http://engineering.twitter.com/2012/04/introducing-innovators-patent-agreement.html | 10:56 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement | 10:57 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement/issues/1 "Section 2(a) unnecessarily uses term "intellectual property"" | 10:57 |
| kanzure | "Our company 3scan just got funded by Breakout labs." | 11:03 |
| kanzure | fenn: you should go congratulate them | 11:03 |
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| kanzure | http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/17/peter-thiels-breakout-labs-awards-350k-each-to-six-ambitious-biotech-startups/ | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "3Scan, to develop 3-D digital reconstruction of brain tissue, using a novel, faster, less expensive microscope technology. Building a map of connections in the brain—the connectome—is a critical step to understanding what makes the human brain unique." | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "Arigos Biomedical, to develop methods of cooling organs for long-term storage." | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "Immusoft, to re-program human immune cells to produce therapeutics in the body." | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "Inspirotec, to develop a universal system for collecting and identifying virtually any airborne agent." | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "ongevity Biotech, to develop an entirely new class of therapeutics via artificial protein technology (“Hybridtides”). Hybridtides are targeted biologic-like molecules which are highly-resistant to breakdown by natural digestive enzymes and tunable to very stable molecular structures. These features have demonstrated potent therapeutic activity with the possibility of oral biologic delivery." | 11:08 |
| kanzure | "Positron Dynamics, to enhance the production and collection of positrons, a class of elementary particles. Positrons have many near-term applications, for example, in medical imaging; in the long run, they may be a source of energy—antimatter propulsion—for space travel" | 11:08 |
| kanzure | http://www.3scan.com/ http://immusoft.com/ http://inspirotec.com/ http://positrondynamics.com/ | 11:13 |
| ParahSailin | is there any linux chat program as good as skype? | 11:58 |
| archels | irssi | 11:59 |
| ParahSailin | i use skype with a group of friends as a sort of persistent conference chat | 11:59 |
| ParahSailin | irc is shitty; irony intended | 11:59 |
| archels | persistent conference chat is almost the definition of IRC. | 11:59 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://pigin.im/ is what i use | 11:59 |
| kanzure | however, i use irssi on a remote server for irc | 12:00 |
| ParahSailin | does irc send you messages sent to the room when your client wasnt connected? does it handle multiple locations connected to the same account? | 12:00 |
| ParahSailin | is it as easy to use as skype is? | 12:00 |
| archels | screen | 12:00 |
| kanzure | skype is not easy to use on linux | 12:00 |
| ParahSailin | thats why i bring up the question | 12:01 |
| ParahSailin | my friends are windows users | 12:01 |
| kanzure | you might try google hangouts for persistent video chat | 12:02 |
| ParahSailin | i just use text though | 12:02 |
| ParahSailin | sometimes we do voice with a subset of our group | 12:02 |
| ParahSailin | does any xmpp thing do something equivalent in function? | 12:06 |
| ThomasEgi | http://jitsi.org/ | 12:08 |
| ParahSailin | thanks | 12:10 |
| ParahSailin | http://www.disruptivetelephony.com/2010/12/skype-and-the-incredible-power-of-persistent-group-chats.html these are exactly my thoughts | 12:31 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II | 12:36 |
| bkero | use bitlbee | 12:37 |
| bkero | more persistent | 12:37 |
| bkero | also B) -er | 12:37 |
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| kanzure | technical info http://jordanmechner.com/wp-content/uploads/1989/10/popsource009.pdf | 12:41 |
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| Cat4D | Has anyone seen WebGL based gpu processing of nurbs/splines ? | 13:01 |
| Cat4D | or a functioning openGL lib for such? (the "shader") | 13:02 |
| ThomasEgi | i think nvidia has an example on how to use shaders to interpolate nurbs and stuff. | 13:04 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: not webgl, sorry :/ | 13:04 |
| ThomasEgi | somewhere in their cg-tutorials | 13:04 |
| kanzure | glu had a nurbs tessellation thing going on | 13:04 |
| ThomasEgi | probably not too hard to convert into a gl shader | 13:04 |
| Cat4D | openGL, etc next option | 13:11 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: what are you trying to do | 13:11 |
| Cat4D | I have three topics, all generally the same: | 13:11 |
| Cat4D | spline/knot based generation of data structure inside the gpu, preferably generating splines | 13:12 |
| kanzure | why is "inside the gpu" a constraint? | 13:12 |
| Cat4D | spline math functions, for example old elasticity node examples or similar with collision/displacement, and generation of renderable triangle mesh for some gpu | 13:13 |
| Cat4D | direct spline shader function in GPU for rendering as above | 13:13 |
| Cat4D | webgl, kanzure | 13:13 |
| kanzure | i never looked into how much of the glu/glut nurbs compatibility was opengl standards vs. how much custom code they wrote | 13:14 |
| Cat4D | we use spherical poly splines for data representation for the volcano, which is great for modeling and math, but the gpu devices are troubled | 13:14 |
| kanzure | have you seen shapesmith? he tessellates the nurbs objects on the server-side and sends them back to the client | 13:14 |
| kanzure | as triangle meshes | 13:15 |
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| Cat4D | not at this density | 13:15 |
| Cat4D | and that should be easily processed by the js/gpu anyways | 13:15 |
| Cat4D | im mainly in need of a verified gpu processing framework that handles data management, even if I have to build the recursive poly spline function into a "shader" anyways | 13:16 |
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| kanzure | have you seen glu/sgi/libnurbs/internals ? that's all software-defined nurbs | 13:17 |
| Cat4D | -- i was assuming someone ported that to the shaders sometime in the last two decades | 13:18 |
| kanzure | evidence/link? | 13:19 |
| Cat4D | there is one cubic bezier patch demo with webgl | 13:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | ParahSailin, actually a small script in the irc client to dl from a log location (or 3 or 4 locations) and preload the channel window back in time to when you disconnected, is easy | 13:24 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: i think he's saying that his friends wouldn't think that is easy :( | 13:25 |
| ParahSailin | i want software to work for me, not the other way around | 13:25 |
| ParahSailin | my friends are even more "normal" like that | 13:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | to 1) dl script 2) install script ? | 13:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | hmm, ok | 13:25 |
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| katsmeow-afk | some irc clients have an option to preload the channel window from their own local log, but obviously that does not include the ability to load what wasn't seen by virtue of being disconnected,, but praps such a script can be tricked to dl from remote url than local path | 13:27 |
| Cat4D | prideout.net | 13:30 |
| kanzure | quad tessellation with opengl 4 http://prideout.net/blog/?p=49 | 13:33 |
| kanzure | triangle tessellation http://prideout.net/blog/?p=48 | 13:33 |
| kanzure | is pyeuclid a python version of matra datavision's euclid cad system? | 13:33 |
| Cat4D | now how to get glu/glut/etc into webgl | 13:34 |
| Cat4D | to the gpu | 13:34 |
| kanzure | pez looks like an ok glut replacement http://prideout.net/blog/?p=36 | 13:34 |
| Cat4D | pez is using meshes | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | pyeuclid sounds like puklid | 13:35 |
| nmz787 | puke-lid | 13:35 |
| * Cat4D needs to get bez poly splines into gpu | 13:36 | |
| Cat4D | cuz i know gpu can mesh/tess faster than cpu (especially webgl js) | 13:36 |
| kanzure | charlieschwabach: maybe you have an idea? | 13:36 |
| charlieschwabach | http://mrdoob.github.com/three.js/examples/webgl_lines_splines.html | 13:39 |
| charlieschwabach | i haven't done anything w/ that, but three.js in general is nice and the project is very active | 13:40 |
| Cat4D | not even close | 13:40 |
| charlieschwabach | Cat4D: cool, yeah.. i probably won't be much help then | 13:41 |
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| Cat4D | sorry webchat crashed | 13:49 |
| kanzure | 13:45 <@jblake> Uh yeah, there are a few ways. The easiest is to use a geometry shader to just create the interpolated vertices on the fly, but that requires newish hardware. | 13:49 |
| kanzure | 13:46 <@jblake> If you don't have geometry shaders, then you can use a vertex shader - just use some uniforms to store the parameters of the spline, and hardcode in | 13:49 |
| kanzure | the shader that it's going to be interpolated on N points, and send N vertices to the shader with their positions as indexes into the interpolation or something. | 13:49 |
| kanzure | 13:48 <@jblake> Depending on usecase, like if you're using the spline as the boundary of some object, you might be able to do it in a pixel shader too. Just render the | 13:50 |
| kanzure | object as strictly larger than the projection of its bounding spline, and do a inside/outside test in the pixel shader to cull the pixels on the wrong side of the spline. | 13:50 |
| kanzure | 13:49 <@jblake> If you haven't got shaders at all, then you'll have to fuck with the fixed function pipeline. I think both NVidia and ATI have extensions that do some | 13:50 |
| Cat4D | There is concern that the WebGL is bound to a minimal ES2 function set, and might be further reduced (CL was stripped out) | 13:50 |
| kanzure | sort of polynomial interpolation in the style of a vertex shader, but I don't know off-hand how to use them. | 13:50 |
| Cat4D | http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/webgl/models/bezier_col.html was the only initial demo that came up | 13:51 |
| kanzure | 13:51 <@jblake> OpenGL ES 2.0 has programmable shaders. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | 13:51 <@jblake> Hell, it doesn't have a fixed-function pipeline at all. | 13:52 |
| Cat4D | there are a few webglu attempts showing up | 13:54 |
| kanzure | 13:54 <@jblake> I don't really feel like reading through a crapload of javascript right now, and answering implied questions via a proxy is sort of irritating. What | 13:55 |
| kanzure | are you trying to do that you can't make work? | 13:55 |
| Cat4D | GPU based shader that takes only bspline/nurbs/polyspline from webgl | 13:55 |
| kanzure | 13:57 <@jblake> OpenGL ES 2 is derived from OpenGL 2, which means without extensions you don't get geometry shaders. | 13:57 |
| kanzure | 13:58 <@jblake> So create a vertex shader. The idea of this shader is that you're going to feed it N vertices, each with position <0,0,0,n> for n=0 to N-1 or something, and it's going to use them to build the N-order interpolation of whatever beizer spline you're trying to draw. | 13:59 |
| kanzure | 13:59 <@jblake> To give that shader the parameters of the spline to interpolate, just use some uniforms or something. | 13:59 |
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| kanzure | cat4d_hateswebch: check the logs.. http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-04-17.log | 14:00 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | thanks | 14:00 |
| kanzure | 14:00 <@jblake> Or I guess some random buffer object could hold all the splines you intend to draw, and your vertices could be <i,n,0,0> where i indexes into that buffer and n is the interpolation point. | 14:01 |
| kanzure | 14:02 <@jblake> Anyway, it's not really a hard shader to write, and I can't see any obvious difficulties or serialization you'd get from the naive implementation. | 14:02 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | yes | 14:04 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | I see no reason why it wouldnt be fine | 14:04 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | however there is need to do composite math, splines connected from knots of others, typical translation of the function | 14:05 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | which dictates an intermediate buffer because the shader cannot cary the math for the spline projection with the rendering process | 14:05 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | but otherwise, a single spline in final coordinate space should be very simple vertex shader | 14:06 |
| cat4d_hateswebch | how does this apply to nurbs/patch and surfacing with procedural textures or coloration functions? | 14:06 |
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| Cat4D | sorry for these basics, last time i worked on these topics was before 2001 | 14:07 |
| Cat4D | we are using a brute force poly (spherical function) spline to model a huge selection of curved surfaces, here for the volcano and archeology sites for the last decade | 14:07 |
| kanzure | 14:07 <@jblake> The critical point here is just seeing the spline sampling operation as a transform from the vector space of "point along one particular spline" to "point in 3-space". If you can write that transform, then you can write a vertex shader. If you need to do something complicated like multiple | 14:07 |
| kanzure | interacting splines or shit it gets harder. | 14:08 |
| Cat4D | yes, the positioning on the mesh (nurbs) or the composite locations of the system or offset translation would be the slight challenge | 14:08 |
| Cat4D | I recall vrml and numerous other bspline elasticity demos, which is where I derived the initial system from | 14:09 |
| Cat4D | this solver, within the gpu, should have no problems except the buffering of data for the knot locations | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | hi jmil | 14:10 |
| kanzure | are you published yeeet? | 14:10 |
| jmil | lol not yet | 14:11 |
| jmil | paper is back in peer review tho | 14:11 |
| jmil | so now we sit back and wait lol | 14:11 |
| Cat4D | composite splines would also have similar arrangement as fur/fragments I would assume http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/webgl/models/fur.html | 14:13 |
| Cat4D | I assume you all saw this, but includes methods of spline rendering (though choppy) http://prideout.net/blog/?p=61 | 14:27 |
| Cat4D | The composite splines were popular in the 90s, http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/Hash/Hash.htm | 14:31 |
| Cat4D | The volcanic data here, though, has an entire set of characteristics include, everything from material and color to sensor effect characteristics and extrapolation lineage | 14:31 |
| kanzure | nmz787: what do we need before we decide on a co2 laser tube vs. bluray? | 14:37 |
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| kanzure | hi kvltist.. what's up? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | nmz787: were you going to go look at some laser the other day? | 14:41 |
| Cat4D | lol kanzure is bryan... gotcha | 14:42 |
| * Cat4D lagged | 14:42 | |
| kanzure | hi, yes | 14:42 |
| kanzure | nice to meet you | 14:42 |
| Cat4D | im remembering far too many arguments in the 98-2000 era regarding nurbs/polyline rendering in gpus, all of our chips were exponentially faster with accurate output than the fool triangle based gpus... | 14:48 |
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| kanzure | Cat4D: show me some implementatiosn :3 | 14:51 |
| kanzure | *implementations | 14:51 |
| Cat4D | of which? | 14:52 |
| kanzure | nurbs rendering in gpus | 14:52 |
| Cat4D | thats the intended point | 14:52 |
| Cat4D | i dont see many, and im surprised hash.com didnt come up with one | 14:52 |
| Cat4D | *any* | 14:52 |
| Cat4D | the ibiblio one transforms to mesh | 14:54 |
| Cat4D | running through bezierview webgl now | 14:55 |
| fenn | oh hey nurbs woo | 14:56 |
| * Cat4D thinks nurbs awol | 14:56 | |
| fenn | are we talking about implicitcad? | 14:56 |
| kanzure | nope | 14:56 |
| Cat4D | gpu | 14:56 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i have to make a post on a physics forum.... i started writing it, but haven't finished | 14:59 |
| kanzure | nmz787: annnd you were going to try out some cutter on campus? | 14:59 |
| kanzure | or your friend's bluray laser or something | 14:59 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2008/oct/21/alzheimers-university-dementia-highereducation | 15:05 |
| Cat4D | blog.shayanjaved.com explains the webgl vs openCl issues | 15:06 |
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| kanzure | <Cat4D> google "nurbs gpgpu" is finally generating responses | 15:41 |
| kanzure | hrmm | 15:41 |
| kanzure | also. why did everyone just leave? | 15:41 |
| Cat4D | ? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | nothing. | 15:42 |
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| Cat4D | there is a set of demos of hash.com 's beta for the nurbs renderer in the forum's latest | 15:44 |
| Cat4D | unfortionately he hasnt evolved much in a decade, but we'll see | 15:45 |
| Cat4D | -- there are some quad, nurbs, and bspline functions in shaders ... finally | 15:45 |
| Cat4D | fuk that, hash.com is bad | 15:48 |
| * Cat4D resorts to nfoogle.com | 15:48 | |
| kanzure | https://github.com/matthiasbock/Spectrophotometer/wiki/Other-projects | 15:50 |
| kanzure | ah i didn't know hackteria did one. http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/DIY_spectrophotometer | 15:51 |
| * Cat4D loads IDA and says "it will be there tomorrow" | 15:51 | |
| kanzure | Cat4D: IDA on what? | 15:52 |
| Cat4D | ida-pro, hex-rays.com | 15:52 |
| kanzure | yeah i know about ida, dunno why you are mentioning it | 15:54 |
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| Cat4D | fix that dumb "free public beta" claim | 16:07 |
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| Cat4D | kingkong.me.berkeley.edu/~adarsh/RGPU.htm | 16:15 |
| * Cat4D methinks solidworks stole it | 16:30 | |
| fenn | 40W UV led, $165 http://www.mouser.com/ledenginlzcuv/ | 16:59 |
| kanzure | hah | 16:59 |
| kanzure | i don't know what wavelengths we want for reals :( | 16:59 |
| fenn | probably 365nm | 17:00 |
| kanzure | a 40W led.. hrm | 17:00 |
| fenn | lumens brightness sensitivity curve bullshit makes comparison difficult | 17:01 |
| fenn | anyway back to implicitcad | 17:01 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure 40W is more powerful than my co2 tube laser cutter | 17:01 |
| bkero | kanzure: what's your opinion of piracetam? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | haven't consumed enough of it | 17:03 |
| kanzure | ask fenn | 17:03 |
| bkero | and choline | 17:03 |
| bkero | fenn: ^ | 17:03 |
| fenn | bkero: it's not particularly cost effective because the dosage is so high | 17:03 |
| fenn | i've had great results with alpha GPC, unfortunately it's also expensive | 17:03 |
| bkero | prohibitively expensive? | 17:04 |
| fenn | currently playing around with noopept, which is not exactly the same as piracetam | 17:04 |
| fenn | not prohibitive, i just don't have much money | 17:04 |
| bkero | i see | 17:04 |
| bkero | fenn: try choline? Supposedly it intensifies the effects | 17:04 |
| fenn | yes, alpha GPC is a high availability form of choline | 17:05 |
| bkero | I see | 17:05 |
| fenn | also DMAE is interesting | 17:05 |
| fenn | i take choline to help build up cell membrane reserves of phosphatidyl choline | 17:06 |
| bkero | "the choline molecule is charged and cannot pass the blood-brain barrier." | 17:06 |
| bkero | (from dmae article) | 17:06 |
| bkero | How is pubmed's coverage for nootropics? | 17:07 |
| fenn | research is lacking in general, mostly because it's not intended for the treatment of any specific disease as defined by the FDA and as such hard to market and thus get funding to do studies in the first place | 17:09 |
| bkero | I see | 17:11 |
| bkero | How much experimentation have you done? | 17:11 |
| fenn | some ad-hoc "try it and see" subjective tests with various things | 17:13 |
| bkero | heh | 17:13 |
| bkero | anecdotal evidence is totally awesome and reliable | 17:13 |
| fenn | a project desperately needed in this realm is an open source battery of standard cognitive/motor tests | 17:13 |
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| fenn | the tests exist, but the software does not, simply because nobody has written it | 17:14 |
| fenn | lumosity is an example of the sort of tests i want | 17:14 |
| bkero | holy christ, 5-24g per day? | 17:15 |
| fenn | eh, beyond 6g is useless | 17:16 |
| bkero | looks like 24g varieties are given for prescription treatments | 17:17 |
| kanzure | hi juul | 17:18 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/twitter/innovators-patent-agreement/issues/4 | 17:39 |
| kanzure | "I think that the solution is not on voluntary agreements, but on a pivotal change in the way the law deals with patents. | 17:39 |
| kanzure | The solution, I believe, is that ALL patents should be RANDR by requirement of law." | 17:39 |
| kanzure | "I propose an arbitrary upper limit of 10% (could be any other value, but not too high) of the product value when leaving the hands of the manufacturer to be reserved to share amongst patent holders." | 17:39 |
| kanzure | "It would be the duty of the patent holder to set how much it wants for each patent or package. If all patents involved set the cost to less than the 10%, the better for the manufacturer." | 17:40 |
| kanzure | " If the sum of the licensing costs are more than 10%, the licensing costs for each patent are used as a weight and the 10% are divided proportionally between all patent holders." | 17:40 |
| Cat4D | patents are a delusional belief system | 17:41 |
| kanzure | duh | 17:41 |
| fenn | "patent law was made in a time where one could actually be an inventor just making crazy contraptions in his basement/garage/barn" gee it's so different now | 17:49 |
| fenn | man, tesseract sucks balls | 17:51 |
| kanzure | the android app was pretty terrible | 17:51 |
| kanzure | "OH MY GOD your page has a slight 2 degree curvature! NOPE can't detect that" | 17:51 |
| Cat4D | unfortionately, my function generated complex spline with composite knot functions doesnt seem to have a conventional name --- decade and half after the fact | 17:51 |
| fenn | why isnt there a "don't insert non-alphanumeric non-punctuation characters" option | 17:51 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: you should publish | 17:51 |
| Cat4D | did in 2000 | 17:51 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: link? | 17:51 |
| Cat4D | got disappeared after a fight with usn | 17:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: because clearly 99% of all english text is #(W)$U!*($*10924`1901 | 17:51 |
| * Cat4D is practical, haz volcano at scientific resolution model, plus everything else | 17:52 | |
| Cat4D | its the embedded function which is based at a function generated knot location | 17:54 |
| Cat4D | its a tiny function, only about 30 variables | 17:54 |
| Cat4D | includes most sensor data regeneration or extrapolation | 17:54 |
| Cat4D | color, material, etc | 17:55 |
| Cat4D | cute: mvps.org/directx/articles/shadeland/ | 17:57 |
| Cat4D | if only that was GL, i could tell others to read it | 17:58 |
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| kanzure | dereks' talk at tedxvictoria about biocurious http://www.makerspace.ca/wp/tedxvictoria/ | 18:22 |
| kanzure | *derek's | 18:22 |
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| Cat4D | some are calling this cat's procedural spline stuff "multivariate polyspline" | 18:25 |
| kanzure | Cat4D: how'd you find out about this channel | 18:27 |
| Cat4D | you | 18:27 |
| kanzure | huh? what did i do | 18:27 |
| Cat4D | some log with you bitching at something about not having nurbs | 18:28 |
| kanzure | yep sounds like me | 18:28 |
| kanzure | also: i've ported pokecrystal from hg to git and have setup on github now | 18:29 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal | 18:29 |
| kanzure | no more mergecurial for me | 18:29 |
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| fenn | gah firefox doesn't save your tabs in a crash? | 18:47 |
| jennicide | it does | 18:48 |
| fenn | aha i have to do "restore from previous session" | 18:50 |
| Cat4D | does anyone have enough math background to help identify this polynomial spline system with function offset knot systems? | 18:55 |
| kanzure | link to the paper | 18:57 |
| Cat4D | i cant write the paper without finding or inventing language | 18:58 |
| fenn | hrmph well aside from the very first example code being wrong and misleading implicitcad seems to work fine | 19:02 |
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| kanzure | send a pull request :p | 19:04 |
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| kanzure | fenn: please see email and pick out some equipment | 19:08 |
| kanzure | akta oligo pilot 100 - complete with computer | 19:08 |
| kanzure | aww shit | 19:08 |
| yashgaroth | what was wrong with that dubious beckman machine | 19:09 |
| kanzure | it's in san rafael | 19:09 |
| kanzure | Expedite Nucleic Acid Synthesis System-7 Units Millipore+ 2 Computers/control. | 19:09 |
| kanzure | AKTA- Oligo Pilot-100 –complete with computer. | 19:09 |
| yashgaroth | man for the money you'd spent on an akta you could buy a car to go pick it up, and still come out ahead | 19:09 |
| kanzure | DNA Synthesizer HTP (2x96) Dr. Oligo-192 Biolytic Lab. Performance. Updated V4.4 | 19:09 |
| kanzure | DNA Synthesis System. Milligen-BioSearch 3700 | 19:09 |
| kanzure | UniProbe 204 Packard Robotic System = Computer. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | Spectrophotometer UV-1601 Shimadzu. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | HPLC Sytem with solvent organizer. SONNTEK. UV and RI detector + computer. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | HPLC System. Transgenomic. Complete with Fraction Collector. | 19:10 |
| fenn | what "factory" is this? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | a synthesis company near san rafael | 19:11 |
| fenn | well that's convenient | 19:11 |
| kanzure | could you arrange transportation to pick these things up if they're cheap enough | 19:12 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: what looks good on that list? | 19:12 |
| fenn | yeah probably | 19:12 |
| yashgaroth | everyone needs a spec | 19:13 |
| kanzure | what about the hplc columns | 19:13 |
| yashgaroth | when will you be doing hplc | 19:13 |
| kanzure | shut up | 19:13 |
| yashgaroth | they're probably gonna be expensive, also they probably won't come with columns | 19:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: when could you go look at them? | 19:15 |
| kanzure | tomorrow ? | 19:15 |
| kanzure | and time range | 19:15 |
| yashgaroth | I suppose hplc purification may be necessary for oligo purification, but damn it'll be super-low throughput for 64 thousand | 19:15 |
| kanzure | i'm shooting an email to the guy | 19:16 |
| fenn | i've never been to san rafael, looks like there's a bus that goes there | 19:18 |
| kanzure | that guy's card is ridiculous: "OPENS DOORS - CLOSES DEALS" | 19:18 |
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| kanzure | you could probably arrange transportation with joseph jackson | 19:18 |
| kanzure | joseph is interested in some of them | 19:18 |
| fenn | i have no idea what these should cost | 19:19 |
| kanzure | >$200k new | 19:20 |
| fenn | sure but what about "on fire sale" | 19:20 |
| kanzure | well, you'll look at the items and make a decision, then call me and we can discuss negotiation | 19:20 |
| fenn | i mean i don't even know what i'd do with 90% of it | 19:21 |
| kanzure | we'd only want one i think :) | 19:21 |
| fenn | what would i do with a dna synthesizer? | 19:21 |
| kanzure | decrease our bullshit coefficient | 19:21 |
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| fenn | can you just email him and be like "how much for the synthesizer" | 19:22 |
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| yashgaroth | does biocurious even have a spec? they don't seem to | 19:22 |
| kanzure | fenn: no. that's not how you negotiate. | 19:22 |
| fenn | well, i'm not good at bullshit | 19:22 |
| kanzure | sometimes people don't care and would accept a $200 check | 19:23 |
| kanzure | but if you ask them thy will say $10k | 19:23 |
| kanzure | *they | 19:23 |
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| fenn | oh man, "with computer" means a PC | 19:25 |
| kanzure | right | 19:25 |
| fenn | probably with a ginormous CRT | 19:25 |
| kanzure | from the 80s/90s | 19:25 |
| kanzure | no way it's from the 2000s | 19:25 |
| yashgaroth | Dr. Oligo-192 USA List Price | 19:26 |
| yashgaroth | $130,000 - offer them $2000 | 19:26 |
| kanzure | that's only $2k if it *works* | 19:26 |
| yashgaroth | naturally | 19:26 |
| kanzure | $500 if it has "software problems" | 19:26 |
| yashgaroth | oooh see if they'll throw in some pamidites, not like they're gonna be needing those | 19:26 |
| kanzure | where'd you find the list price? | 19:27 |
| yashgaroth | http://www.biolytic.com/pdf/BLP-192%20Brochure%20122805-Short.pdf | 19:28 |
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| fenn | mailing joseph jackson.. | 19:34 |
| kanzure | cc me :p | 19:35 |
| fenn | is there an address? how did you find out about this anyway? | 19:36 |
| kanzure | through joseph -_- | 19:36 |
| diginet | ParahSailin, hey, I didn't go if you were wondering | 19:36 |
| ParahSailin | yeah i was in chicago myself | 19:37 |
| diginet | cool! I've always wanted to go there | 19:37 |
| diginet | (mostly to see Fermilab) | 19:37 |
| diginet | (curse you Rick Perry, we could've had something better here if it wasn't for your idiocy) | 19:37 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: did you go to the chicago open science meetup? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | ben hyink runs that group and is pretty extremely transhumanist | 19:37 |
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| diginet | so, I got sleeping pills from my shrink today | 19:38 |
| diginet | feels weird man | 19:38 |
| kanzure | sleep is defeat | 19:38 |
| ParahSailin | didnt have a chance to do much other than visit parents | 19:39 |
| ParahSailin | ill trade you adderall for sleeping pills | 19:39 |
| diginet | I already have Methylphenidate | 19:39 |
| ParahSailin | one pill makes you larger, the other pill makes you small | 19:39 |
| diginet | as in fat? | 19:40 |
| diginet | I'm a pretty small guy | 19:40 |
| yashgaroth | as in wonderland | 19:40 |
| * fenn mumbles something about "great internet migratory box of drugs" | 19:40 | |
| diginet | what do you mean? | 19:40 |
| yashgaroth | good god man | 19:40 |
| ParahSailin | go ask alice when you're ten feet tall | 19:40 |
| kanzure | fenn: they won't get the reference | 19:40 |
| diginet | I don't use them for weird stuff, I'm dealing with legitimate issues | 19:40 |
| kanzure | sleep *is* weird stuff | 19:41 |
| kanzure | stop doing it | 19:41 |
| fenn | ##hplusroadmap, missing references since 2007 | 19:41 |
| diginet | no. . .it's fairly normal | 19:41 |
| diginet | wait do you guys use this stuff as hallucinogens or something? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | sleep? yes they are called dreams | 19:41 |
| fenn | i thought those were illegal | 19:41 |
| fenn | or at least highly regulated | 19:42 |
| * fenn leaves | 19:42 | |
| diginet | why does ParahSailin want ambien? | 19:42 |
| yashgaroth | oh man I pulled an allnighter to unsuccessfully reset my sleep schedule, most vivid dreams ever | 19:42 |
| diginet | if you have sleep problems just go to a shrink | 19:42 |
| ParahSailin | every time i get out of whack its hard to get back in whack | 19:43 |
| ParahSailin | like jet lag and stuff | 19:43 |
| diginet | ah right | 19:43 |
| kanzure | i was out of whack for three weeks when i got back from vietnam | 19:43 |
| diginet | I take paxil, methylphenidate, and now ambien | 19:43 |
| kanzure | try not sleeping | 19:43 |
| JayDugger | Yeah. That works for a couple of days. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | just sleep whenever you want to | 19:44 |
| kanzure | screw daylight | 19:44 |
| JayDugger | Then the paranoid fantasies start...and your co-workers start getting that weird look. | 19:44 |
| diginet | kanzure, that's really not good advice at all | 19:45 |
| kanzure | why? | 19:45 |
| kanzure | it's what fenn does | 19:45 |
| kanzure | seems to work for him | 19:45 |
| fenn | :( | 19:45 |
| fenn | i want some ambien | 19:46 |
| diginet | I want to try polyphasic | 19:47 |
| diginet | but I'm kind of suspicious as to whether it's viable long term | 19:49 |
| diginet | I'm kind of scared it might be dangerous | 19:53 |
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| diginet | anyone here know anything about it? | 20:00 |
| diginet | I know sleep deprivation can be detrimental to one's health | 20:01 |
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| kanzure | fenn: it over? | 20:18 |
| joshcryer | Sleeping whenever fucks up your productivity. | 20:18 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: i mean don't care about time of day | 20:19 |
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| joshcryer | Ahh, OK, just saying, don't underestimate the power of a regular sleep cycle. Which, btw, I've never had or been able to attain. :( | 20:21 |
| diginet | does anyone know of a good refresher on organic chemistry for people who don't need their hand held too much? | 20:28 |
| joshcryer | http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/ | 20:33 |
| diginet | thanks | 20:34 |
| joshcryer | Or maybe Google "handbook" "organic chemistry" or something like that. | 20:35 |
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| Steel3 | kanzure you around? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | hi Steel3 | 20:54 |
| Steel3 | anyone you know that I should talk to at nano2012? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | no results found | 20:54 |
| kanzure | what is nano2012 | 20:54 |
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| Steel3 | http://alumni.rpi.edu/s/1225/2col.aspx?sid=1225&gid=1&pgid=1213&contentbuilder=1 some big conference | 20:56 |
| Steel3 | also, is there any decent documentation on nanoengineer-1? | 21:01 |
| kanzure | depends on what decent means, sir | 21:01 |
| kanzure | http://nanorex.com/ | 21:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.nanoengineer-1.com | 21:01 |
| kanzure | wiki is here: http://www.nanoengineer-1.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | 21:02 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev | 21:02 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer | 21:02 |
| kanzure | oh man that wiki has been spammed | 21:03 |
| augur | anyone know of interesting attempts to solve the frame problem? | 21:03 |
| Steel3 | cuz I interested a couple people in working in nanoengineer-1 a bit and getting into nanotech | 21:04 |
| Steel3 | one for the dna side and one for the inorganic side | 21:04 |
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| jmil | augur: what is the frame problem? | 21:55 |
| augur | http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/frame-problem/ | 21:55 |
| jmil | augur: oh i thought you were talking about nanoengineering | 22:00 |
| augur | no :P | 22:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | i thought the frame problem was solved with an xml table and each process watching for changes that may affect it? | 22:02 |
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| augur | lol | 22:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 22:16 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: yo | 22:27 |
| kanzure | fenn: you around? | 22:27 |
| nmz787 | yo | 22:28 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i don't know anyone with a blueray laser.... we've got a CO2 tradition laser cutter downstairs.... but i've already cut | 22:30 |
| nmz787 | i shined a green laser through a microscope... it got smaller, but its <5mW so didnt change the color of thermal paper | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | i don't see why we would use a microscope objective, it seems like it would only be good if it was used in a microscope optic system, otherwise its just a lens | 22:32 |
| kanzure | nmz787: what about fenn's 40W UV LED | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | never heard of that | 22:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.mouser.com/ledenginlzcuv/ | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | i know the main difference is coherence | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | between LED and lasers | 22:35 |
| diginet | wow, I really hate sigma aldrich | 22:41 |
| kanzure | when you're worth $50 billion, everyone hates you | 22:41 |
| yashgaroth | sigma being sigma doesn't help either | 22:44 |
| jmil | why do you hate sigma? | 22:44 |
| yashgaroth | they're fine if you work for academia or industry, but not for biohacking purposes | 22:45 |
| kanzure | oops, sorry, it's dow who is work $50 billion | 22:46 |
| kanzure | sigma only does $2.2 billion/year | 22:46 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma-Aldrich | 22:46 |
| kanzure | whereas dow does $53.647 billion | 22:46 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Chemical_Company | 22:47 |
| nmz787 | only | 22:47 |
| kanzure | yes only $53 billion | 22:47 |
| diginet | sigma is evil because of their outrageous prices | 22:50 |
| fenn | the LED was more wrt the UV cure resin + DLP stereolithography machine | 22:50 |
| diginet | is there anything they sell that isn't at least $100? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i bet we could replace dow with microfluidic dow :P | 22:50 |
| yashgaroth | almost every one of their products has an acceptably shitty chinese knockoff | 22:50 |
| kanzure | why do you need 200 foot tall fractioning towers anyway | 22:50 |
| diginet | where would one buy p-toluidine for cheap? | 22:52 |
| yashgaroth | are you comfortable buying one metric ton? | 22:53 |
| diginet | proooobbbbbably not | 22:54 |
| diginet | :P | 22:54 |
| diginet | I wish there was some database on how to synthesize such chemicals | 22:54 |
| yashgaroth | please be advised that sigma chemicals tend to be the most expensive on the market, for somewhat good reason | 22:55 |
| kanzure | hm i can't find the 20,000 acre dow facility in texas | 22:55 |
| kanzure | on google maps i mean | 22:55 |
| yashgaroth | aww I envisaged you circling amarillo on a horse | 22:56 |
| kanzure | my cyborg horse | 22:56 |
| kanzure | instead of legs it has jet packs | 22:56 |
| kanzure | it's quite terrifying | 22:56 |
| yashgaroth | I'm sure there'd be a market for that regardless | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | ya its nice that sigma often offers 3 or 5 diff purity levels, | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | all with a certificate of proof of purity level, often with purification tech used | 23:00 |
| yashgaroth | also the 99% is 70x cheaper than the 99.7%, and actually quite reasonably priced | 23:03 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok. so we're definitely going with a co2 tube? | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | kanzure fenn, lemme make this physics forum post re optics | 23:06 |
| diginet | If I were to start with toulene, how would I get an NH2 to attach opposite of the CH3 on the phenyl group? | 23:07 |
| Mariu | there was a game where you had a horse with an antigrav device, you could store objects in it, you could use like an R2-D2 to interface with doors, systems, | 23:08 |
| fenn | i think we should try both and see which is better :P | 23:08 |
| fenn | also a cd-r should be fine, blu-ray is not necessary | 23:09 |
| kanzure | for cutting acrylic? o.o | 23:09 |
| fenn | i thought it only had to go through the pdms | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | nah we need bluray | 23:09 |
| kanzure | i'd like to be able to cut acrylic | 23:10 |
| nmz787 | its lower wavelength, smaller spot | 23:10 |
| nmz787 | more power per photon | 23:10 |
| kanzure | power per photon? | 23:10 |
| nmz787 | if we went cddrive route, we should use bluray | 23:10 |
| nmz787 | ya, per photon, higher freq has more energy | 23:10 |
| kanzure | yeah but.. nobody says power per photon :P | 23:11 |
| fenn | captain, we canna increase power to the photons any longer | 23:12 |
| kanzure | so we have to abandon ship? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | increase forward shiels by 83% | 23:12 |
| kanzure | shields. | 23:12 |
| kanzure | Now, like all great plans, my strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it. On my command all ships will line up and file directly into the alien death cannons, clogging them with wreckage. | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | lol | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | homer simpson plan | 23:13 |
| yashgaroth | zap brannigan plan | 23:14 |
| kanzure | zap brannigan plan | 23:14 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | oh, yes | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | def zap | 23:14 |
| yashgaroth | diginet: please read up ochem before you accidentally make TNT | 23:16 |
| yashgaroth | like, literally | 23:17 |
| kanzure | my one regret is not memorizing all umpteen zillion reactions | 23:17 |
| yashgaroth | pfft, if you just remember the five billion basic rules, you'll be set | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | all i remember without lookin at the chem you're talkin about is... para, meta, ortho | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arene_substitution_patterns | 23:19 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophilic_aromatic_substitution | 23:19 |
| yashgaroth | yeah I seem to recall one position is favored, but not which one | 23:19 |
| yashgaroth | oh whoops the p-toluidine should stay solid at room temp so whatever, just separate that out | 23:20 |
| nmz787 | btw, googling toluidine toluene synthesis, comes up with hits of interest | 23:21 |
| yashgaroth | also you may have more trouble getting reagents since, y'know, TNT | 23:21 |
| yashgaroth | $43/kg is pretty cheap what do you even want it for diginet | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | yashgaroth: thats the responsible question to ask | 23:24 |
| nmz787 | cover our asses in writing* | 23:25 |
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| yashgaroth | ^ the smartest move | 23:26 |
| kanzure | fbi is sending out invites for the next diybio meeting soon | 23:26 |
| yashgaroth | ooh | 23:27 |
| kanzure | nmz787: you up for this? | 23:27 |
| nmz787 | ya | 23:27 |
| nmz787 | talked to joe a day or two ago | 23:27 |
| nmz787 | he said 12-17th june | 23:27 |
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| nmz787 | and mentioned internationals | 23:28 |
| kanzure | haha it's almost may and they haven't sent out invites | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | so i guess maybe those flu virus reconstruction ppl | 23:28 |
| kanzure | i doubt it.. that's not diybio | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | but pretty long, tha last was 2 days | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | why would he say international | 23:28 |
| yashgaroth | why the fuck do they need 6 days | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | maybe its not just diy then | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | biosec ? | 23:28 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: biocurious will be hosting the event for one of the days for training | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | so i def liked genspace more than biocurious | 23:29 |
| yashgaroth | ok so I can skip that one, but friday-sunday's about my limit | 23:29 |
| kanzure | genspace is running an institution for sure | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | and the fact that they had, umm, actual biologists running some shit | 23:29 |
| kanzure | right right | 23:29 |
| kanzure | biocurious is still sorta stricken by its management team that hates each other | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | o | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | ya i dont know much | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | cali is also much more spread out than nyc | 23:31 |
| yashgaroth | but has infinity times more biotech | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | so seems like less chance of SF peeps makiin it down there | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | kids, that sort of thing | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | ya | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | maybe better for hackers | 23:31 |
| diginet | yashgaroth, I'm trying to synthesize 6,6'-dibromoindigo, it's a pigment | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | kanzure fenn: looks more likely that i'm heading to NYC rather than SF for work post-school.... so we'll have to figure out how to collaborate and get this project off the ground | 23:33 |
| kanzure | ugghhh | 23:33 |
| kanzure | how do i stop that | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | umm, get my foreign gf a job in comp/app sec | 23:33 |
| kanzure | app? | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | application | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | securoty | 23:34 |
| kanzure | security or do you mean sector | 23:34 |
| kanzure | ok | 23:34 |
| kanzure | that's right | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | security | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | ya | 23:34 |
| kanzure | ok i'll see what i can do. have her email me her resume. | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | some company out there told her they're setting up an interview... but they havent yet | 23:35 |
| kanzure | lichen: my tmeline has sorta slipped for you, but there's this boston gig i am trailing to nail down for you | 23:35 |
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| diginet | so how does one target a specific type of arene substitution? | 23:42 |
| diginet | or do you not? | 23:42 |
| yashgaroth | if you're nitrating toluene, no | 23:43 |
| kanzure | nmz787: did you post it | 23:46 |
| nmz787 | the resume? | 23:46 |
| diginet | yashgaroth, so you basically just assume that roughly 1/3 will be the type you want, and filter it out? (since p-toluidine is solid at room temp) | 23:47 |
| yashgaroth | the ratios won't be even since some sites are favored, but basically yes the p- should crystallize out or something | 23:48 |
| diginet | ah I see, well thanks | 23:48 |
| diginet | in case you're wondering, dibromoindigo is the famous "Tyrian purple" that came from murex snails | 23:49 |
| diginet | I wanted to make some, just because | 23:49 |
| yashgaroth | pick a chemical where the synthesis won't have feds investigating you | 23:50 |
| diginet | hah | 23:50 |
| diginet | toulene is simple enough to get though, right? | 23:50 |
| jennicide | kanzure, are you familiar with non-euclidean geometry? | 23:51 |
| yashgaroth | yes, but not nitric acid, and especially not when you're buying it with toluene | 23:51 |
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| diginet | is there any other way to nitrify toulene other than with nitric acid? | 23:53 |
| yashgaroth | not really | 23:53 |
| diginet | hmm, google reveals several ways to make nitric acid | 23:54 |
| yashgaroth | said feds would be back up your ass | 23:54 |
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