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| skorket | so close | 00:08 |
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| skorket | morning all | 08:05 |
| kanzure | hi | 08:06 |
| kirka | hi | 08:08 |
| skorket | My friend and I altered grbl to spit back position information, I made a continuity tester that communicates over usb | 08:08 |
| skorket | now I'm in the process of making a program to use the two to do automatic height mapping | 08:08 |
| skorket | next stop is gcode generation based on interpolated height | 08:09 |
| kirka | Wow, Rethink robotics finally released their product | 08:13 |
| kirka | http://www.hizook.com/blog/2012/09/18/baxter-robot-rethink-robotics-finally-unveiled | 08:13 |
| chris_99 | skorket, you're using AVR aren't you | 08:15 |
| skorket | avr for the continuity testing (with V-USB) and an arduino clone running grbl | 08:16 |
| skorket | so, yes | 08:16 |
| chris_99 | ah, i'm still having issues with my PIC USB, might end up switching heh | 08:16 |
| skorket | the USB was a bitch to get working and I think it's only really for low speed applications. My bet is that theres better support for USB in PIC then there is in the AVR | 08:18 |
| skorket | and of course you can always go the dedicated chip route | 08:18 |
| kirka | 22k$ is very cheap for two hands with body and controller | 08:19 |
| skorket | wanted to brag to nmz787. Still not around...sheesh | 08:21 |
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| kanzure | beep boop | 09:02 |
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| delinquentme | whole bunch of workers saving files onto a central server | 09:44 |
| delinquentme | basically littered about the server ... these files have fully defined file path in the database .. and need to be served up through the rails application | 09:45 |
| kanzure | don't do that. | 09:48 |
| kanzure | why did you take this job? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | introduce them to paperclip or carrierwave at least. you can still keep the files on the local file system, but at least keep a backup somewhere. | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | they're using paperclip | 09:50 |
| delinquentme | but if files are constantly being worked on as well as being huge | 09:50 |
| delinquentme | it might be best to not continually copy them ... so thats kinda where we're at | 09:50 |
| nsh | lol | 09:58 |
| nsh | blackhats worldwide thank you for your diligence | 09:58 |
| kanzure | nsh: ? | 10:01 |
| nsh | nm | 10:01 |
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| kanzure | skorket: there he is | 10:32 |
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| nmz787 | hi | 10:33 |
| chris_99 | yo nmz787 | 10:34 |
| nmz787 | what it us | 10:34 |
| nmz787 | up* | 10:34 |
| chris_99 | i've almost got USB to work on a PIC now :) | 10:34 |
| nmz787 | cool, how? | 10:35 |
| chris_99 | turns out i should have connected Vusb3.3 to 3.3V with a bypass cap | 10:35 |
| chris_99 | apparently you're not supposed to use the PIC debugger when doing USB debugging, because it interfers with timings | 10:37 |
| chris_99 | so may have to bust out a logic sniffer | 10:37 |
| chris_99 | to see what's going on | 10:37 |
| nmz787 | i mean, bit banging USB protocol, with a serial to usb converter, etc | 10:37 |
| chris_99 | oh i'm using the PIC USB stack, it's got proper hardware for it | 10:37 |
| chris_99 | like a USB PLL etc. | 10:37 |
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| nmz787 | http://www.bristol.ac.uk/neuroscience/bn-news/2012/120515-locomotion-buhl.html | 10:42 |
| nmz787 | "Let’s get moving: Unravelling how locomotion starts15 May 2012Scientists at the University of Bristol have shed new light on one of the great unanswered questions of neuroscience: how the brain initiates rhythmic movements like walking, running and swimming. | 10:42 |
| nmz787 | " | 10:42 |
| kirka | Central Pattern Generators? | 10:43 |
| kirka | Ah, that's about high level control | 10:43 |
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| kanzure | american chemical society v. leadscope http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/ROD/docs/pdf/0/2012/2012-Ohio-4193.pdf | 13:57 |
| kanzure | oh neat, leadscope got $26 mil out of that | 14:00 |
| kanzure | from acs | 14:00 |
| kanzure | it's weird how much effort non-profits put into patents and intellectual property. | 14:03 |
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| delinquentme | tax evasion? | 14:05 |
| kanzure | huh they didn't deny that they took pathfinder source code, that's fascinating. they could have just rewritten it though. | 14:05 |
| kanzure | oh i see. someone reviewed the source code from both products and did not find similarity. | 14:06 |
| kanzure | "ACS did not provide sufficient evidence to the jury supporting its claim for misappropriation or that it had a patent on PathFinder. ACS's only secret was the source code, and expert testimony revealed that the source codes for PathFinder and Leadscope were not the same." | 14:07 |
| kanzure | "The lack of sufficient evidence of misappropriation is astonishing, especially considering the length of this trial and the extensive nature of the discovery spanning nearly six years." | 14:07 |
| kanzure | wtf | 14:07 |
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| kanzure | hah so they started the lawsuit /because/ of the leadscope patent. hilarious. | 14:13 |
| kanzure | "Leadscope obtained defense via its insurance coverage" lolz | 14:13 |
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| kanzure | aw they reversed the damages for the defamation claim | 14:16 |
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| kanzure | ACS is chartered by Congress??? | 14:19 |
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| skorket | evening all | 15:01 |
| kanzure | skorket: nmz787 is around | 15:01 |
| skorket | yeah! I can show off now! | 15:02 |
| skorket | hey, nmz787, my friend and I altered grbl to spit out current position information | 15:02 |
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| kanzure | beep boop | 16:34 |
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| jrayhawk | root@richardiv:/# ls -al /etc/sudoers | 17:02 |
| jrayhawk | -r--r----- 1 nanoengineeruser nanoengineeruser 358 Apr 30 01:25 /etc/sudoers | 17:02 |
| kanzure | why is nanoengineer a user on richardiv? | 17:02 |
| kanzure | *nanoengineeruser | 17:02 |
| jrayhawk | I'm chrooted. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | hm, well, shouldn't /etc/sudoers be owned by root? | 17:02 |
| jrayhawk | Yes. That is a thing that should be. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | feel free to fix my mistakes and replace the file on the server :( | 17:03 |
| kanzure | i think i might have left some X stuff in /tmp too | 17:03 |
| jrayhawk | Okay. Is it okay if I get rid of the preceding root in root/nanoengineer-chroot/ too | 17:03 |
| kanzure | hrm? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | the .tar.gz should have just the chroot with no higher directory | 17:04 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk@richardiv:~$ tar -tzvvf nanoengineer-chroot.tar.gz | head -n 1 | 17:04 |
| jrayhawk | drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2012-04-29 18:14 root/nanoengineer-chroot/ | 17:04 |
| kanzure | unless i fucked that one up too | 17:04 |
| kanzure | blah | 17:04 |
| kanzure | ok then | 17:04 |
| jrayhawk | ah, so the acceleration thing is libgl1-mesa-swx11 being installed in place of libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx | 17:10 |
| jrayhawk | which might be a sound default | 17:10 |
| jrayhawk | is it okay if I add myself to git-nanoengineer on diyhpl.us and make some patches to the readme | 17:11 |
| kanzure | yes go ahead | 17:11 |
| kanzure | there's also some things in packaging/ that might amuse you | 17:13 |
| jrayhawk | Hmm. I can't test that fix myself since the userspace side of nouveau didn't exist back then. | 17:13 |
| jrayhawk | oh well, at least i made some improvements | 17:13 |
| kanzure | you can run nanoengineer from the chroot on gnusha and then do x forwarding | 17:15 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, I wanted to test direct rendering. | 17:15 |
| alusion | Evening gentlemen | 17:15 |
| alusion | I was wondering if anyone has any good information or a map that projects insight into the coming near future? | 17:16 |
| kanzure | like two days? | 17:17 |
| alusion | Like 2012-2015/20 | 17:17 |
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| jrayhawk | tomorrow: hard AI takeoff occurs, you and every record of your accomplishments is scavanged for atoms | 17:18 |
| jrayhawk | thursday: overcast skies with a chance of rain | 17:19 |
| alusion | lol | 17:19 |
| alusion | (•‿•) | 17:20 |
| eudoxia | 6 teraseconds after the Singularity: OpenCog is completed | 17:20 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 17:20 |
| alusion | What are some good blogs or resources to follow? I want to reserve my spot in the future, on the forefront of technology and innovation. There is a tidal wave coming and I want to be surfing it. | 17:21 |
| kanzure | 1) learn everything about software | 17:21 |
| kanzure | 2) learn everything about molecular biology | 17:21 |
| kanzure | 3) learn everything about neurophysiology | 17:21 |
| kanzure | that will set you up pretty well. | 17:22 |
| jrayhawk | ...to be scavanged for atoms. | 17:22 |
| alusion | I don't have to learn everything, if I have a team I can leverage my time and resources accordingly. | 17:22 |
| kanzure | alusion: your team sucks | 17:22 |
| alusion | So 3d printing is going to be soon diving into the molecular level. | 17:22 |
| alusion | Hey you gotta start somewhere amirite? | 17:22 |
| kanzure | reprap is not going to be doing molecular printing. you are a fucking liar. | 17:22 |
| Mariu | :o | 17:23 |
| eudoxia | >molecular 3d printing | 17:23 |
| kanzure | i'm just not amused by that though | 17:23 |
| eudoxia | Ah yes I too remember when I believed that | 17:23 |
| kanzure | the recent 3d printing hype has had nothing to do with molecular manufacturing | 17:23 |
| eudoxia | it was kinda silly in hingsight | 17:23 |
| alusion | Sorry, I'm in the midst of reading the diamond age. | 17:23 |
| kanzure | stop reading that book | 17:23 |
| * eudoxia brofists alusion | 17:23 | |
| alusion | (⌐■_■) | 17:24 |
| eudoxia | it was a pretty well researched book | 17:24 |
| eudoxia | for 1995 | 17:24 |
| jrayhawk | kanzure: you should start up a #futurist or an #ineffectualprognostication or something | 17:24 |
| alusion | I am open to suggestions, kanzure | 17:24 |
| kanzure | if you look at the physics of thermal goo squirting 3d printers, you will see that it's no where near the requirements for diamondoid mechanosynthesis | 17:24 |
| kanzure | *nowhere | 17:24 |
| kanzure | furthermore, if you actually take the time to read the diamondoid mechanosynthesis roadmaps, you'll see that we're not near to it at all | 17:25 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/ | 17:25 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/freitas_process/ | 17:25 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/freitas_process/notes.txt | 17:25 |
| kanzure | but if you are a 3d printing expert, i should note that i'm coughing up $20k this year if you meet some requirements | 17:26 |
| eudoxia | I always found it hilarious how SIAI got millions of dollars in donations and has not produced a single tangible thing while Merkle and Freitas are probably starving to death under abridge holding up a sign that says "Will do VASP simulations for food" | 17:26 |
| kanzure | http://gadaprize.org/ | 17:26 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: siai has published a few papers, and fed jrayhawk's brother | 17:26 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, the lack of publicly visible output was one of the reasons for the management change. | 17:26 |
| kanzure | oops it looks like humanityplus broke that domain. now only http://www.gadaprize.org/ works as a redirect? wtf. | 17:26 |
| alusion | open source 3d printer? This looks interesting | 17:27 |
| kanzure | alusion: http://reprap.org/ | 17:27 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: i'd be more satisfied if they were doing things like, working on multiple paths towards AGI and having computer security and cryptography experts guys work on different strategies for AI boxing | 17:27 |
| kanzure | alusion: you're about six late to the party | 17:27 |
| kanzure | *six years | 17:27 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: siai doesn't actually want to make AGI | 17:27 |
| alusion | I caught on to the 3d printing craze 4 years ago :\ | 17:27 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: what about Eli's fantasy of "we're out here to win" or whatever? | 17:28 |
| alusion | kanzure, you seem like a smart dude. Do you have any favorite movies? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | alusion: pokemon | 17:30 |
| alusion | That is fascinating actually. Do you see yourself obtaining a pokemon in the near future? | 17:30 |
| kanzure | no. what the fuck man? | 17:31 |
| jrayhawk | hahaha | 17:31 |
| alusion | Think about it, I mean we already are controlling cockroaches and beetles. | 17:31 |
| jrayhawk | man i like this line of reasoning | 17:31 |
| kanzure | i have thought about it, and you're wrong. | 17:31 |
| kanzure | why are you here | 17:31 |
| alusion | You're a bit sassy arentcha? I gotta take care of something, brb. | 17:32 |
| jrayhawk | don't lie to us, kanzure. we know you dream of the day you're going to trap us and train us. | 17:32 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what do you think this channel is :( | 17:32 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk has evolved! | 17:32 |
| jrayhawk | jrayhawk is now misanthrawk | 17:33 |
| kanzure | soon eudoxia will reveal my new cult religion.. the entire universe is just a simulation based on my pokemon disassembly project. | 17:33 |
| kanzure | i think that makes jules a saint or something, at least | 17:33 |
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| eudoxia_ | what's with people and their cults these days | 17:35 |
| eudoxia_ | it's like everyone has to have a cult | 17:35 |
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| kanzure | it's a hipster thing. | 17:36 |
| alusion | you seem like an oldtimer, kanzure. | 17:36 |
| eudoxia | hahah he's like 21 | 17:36 |
| alusion | Wahhh no way! | 17:36 |
| kanzure | the internet has aged me greatly | 17:36 |
| alusion | Where do you go to school? | 17:36 |
| alusion | Me too. | 17:36 |
| kanzure | fuck school | 17:36 |
| alusion | YEAH! | 17:36 |
| alusion | So you self taught mostly ? | 17:37 |
| alusion | I figured with your language you would of accustomed some type of formal education.. | 17:37 |
| alusion | I like you. You are a smart, driven, egotistical individual with some spunk. | 17:37 |
| jrayhawk | everything he needs to know he learned from pokemon | 17:37 |
| kanzure | 17:38 <+bugcatcher> kanzure, I train to find enlightenment in #MON! | 17:38 |
| alusion | kanzure, do you have a battlestation pic? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | alusion: yes i use jrayhawk's. | 17:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/hovel/20120512_008.jpg | 17:39 |
| alusion | LMAO | 17:39 |
| alusion | Is that a thinkpad? nice. | 17:40 |
| alusion | You know your shit. | 17:40 |
| alusion | If that is your actual setup. Pretty messy but nice. | 17:40 |
| kanzure | i don't think you understand english | 17:40 |
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| kanzure | i told you i use jrayhawk's battlestation picture. | 17:41 |
| alusion | It's jrayhawk's, but perhaps I assume that you two collaborate / work together? | 17:41 |
| alusion | oh. | 17:41 |
| alusion | Well then I would be referring to jrayhawk, props. | 17:41 |
| alusion | Where's yours then? you on your macbook bro? | 17:41 |
| kanzure | no wtf man | 17:41 |
| jrayhawk | man you should really roll with that and just make shit up, dude | 17:41 |
| alusion | rofl. | 17:41 |
| alusion | macbook BROS lmfao.. | 17:42 |
| kanzure | can you leave now? | 17:42 |
| alusion | I'm kidding. | 17:42 |
| alusion | Want a battlestation pic of mine? | 17:42 |
| jrayhawk | "yes, that is my thinkpad. it has a fusion battery that powers the CRTs, too." | 17:43 |
| alusion | http://imgur.com/TpfGq | 17:44 |
| alusion | what you don't see is the lab setup on the other side ;D | 17:45 |
| jrayhawk | "those cables are specially positioned amplified packet radio antennae" | 17:45 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: that's more superkuh's style than it is mine | 17:46 |
| alusion | hey man, cables in the air > the ground. Nothing worse than riding over cables. | 17:46 |
| alusion | What are all those on the top shelf? | 17:46 |
| alusion | old gfx cards? | 17:46 |
| kanzure | they are each $20,000 matrox cards | 17:47 |
| jrayhawk | "i overclocked my harddrives; they spin so fast they create x-rays that interfere with my motherboard if they're too close" | 17:47 |
| alusion | yeah, powering a bunch of old crt's. | 17:48 |
| alusion | these days you can easily buy solid-state disformers that will supply all of the magneto-reluctance you need for a Milford trunion and don't have the risk of any kind of depleneration | 17:49 |
| alusion | the turbo-encabulator prevents sinusoidal depleneration but does nothing to solve linear or transverse nonellipsoid plenerations of either vector direction | 17:49 |
| alusion | Do you even have logarithmic casing on that rig? LOL! | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i hate you | 17:50 |
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| @kanzure | answer some questions for me. 1) do you use reddit? | 17:50 |
| alusion | oh god | 17:50 |
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| jrayhawk | haha | 17:50 |
| alusion | If I do? | 17:51 |
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| @kanzure | close enough | 17:51 |
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| @kanzure | nightmare is over guys. back to work. | 17:51 |
| alusion | I gotta work on a resume, if I am distracting let me know. | 17:51 |
| Mariu | lol | 17:52 |
| alusion | Is there a sort of etiquette I should be aware of? | 17:53 |
| jrayhawk | i do admit your hilarious ability to infuriate kanzure is keeping me from working on nanoengineer | 17:53 |
| alusion | you guys are smart dudes, I'm a smart dude. I like you all. | 17:53 |
| alusion | kanzure is the type of person to have a self portrait of himself sitting in front of him, I imagine -- with a poster of Kurzweil popping vitamin D in the corner of his wall | 17:54 |
| @kanzure | i hate ray kurzweil | 17:54 |
| alusion | I think we mentioned this before | 17:54 |
| alusion | lmfao | 17:55 |
| alusion | Alright resume time. | 17:55 |
| alusion | essentially a “discharged†tool requiring recharge. > saw this in your notes | 17:55 |
| alusion | wat? | 17:55 |
| eudoxia | are you referring to the Freitas process? | 17:56 |
| alusion | Yes. | 17:56 |
| eudoxia | it means the tool starts out without a dimer and must be fed new ones from a feedstock after every operation | 17:57 |
| eudoxia | thought I do think the Freitas tool started out with a dimer on the cap | 17:58 |
| alusion | Ah I see. | 17:58 |
| eudoxia | Oh, I just read the context | 17:59 |
| eudoxia | I was 50% right | 17:59 |
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| @kanzure | jrayhawk: did you push? | 18:03 |
| jrayhawk | Not yet. | 18:04 |
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| skorket | man, I thought nmz787 would be into the grbl stuff | 18:36 |
| skorket | is anyone even close to winning the gada prize? | 18:41 |
| skorket | what's going to happen come Dec. 31st? | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | honestly it's in humanityplus' hands at the moment. probably nothing because they forgot about it. | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | there are a bunch of teams that were working on projects. | 18:42 |
| gnusha | nanoengineer.git: 1dd9b96 chroot: adding direct rendering instructions | 18:44 |
| skorket | I heard about some makerbot using two or maybe three materials, but none that are printing electronic circuits. And none that print a complete replica... | 18:44 |
| skorket | yeah, we're actually pretty close, but it's just not there yet | 18:47 |
| eudoxia | humanityplus seems pretty shitty | 18:50 |
| eudoxia | their whole rebranding thing didn't really help them at all | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | their rebranding killed them | 18:53 |
| skorket | when and how did they rebrand? | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | they used to be "world transhumanist association" | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | then they changed their name to humanityplus | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | haah i hope they take up legal action against googleplus. that would be hilarious to watch. | 18:55 |
| eudoxia | now h+ expands to humanityplus instead of transhumanism in many people's heads | 18:56 |
| eudoxia | sigh | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | h+ was a lousy abbreviation anyway | 18:56 |
| skorket | it doesn't get the same idea across? | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | but for the record i'd like to point out i named hplusroadmap prior to humanityplus' bullshit | 18:57 |
| eudoxia | skorknet: one is the name of a philosophy and the other is the name of some bullshit website | 18:58 |
| eudoxia | skorket* | 18:58 |
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| skorket | I guess I don't understand why that is a legitimate grievance | 18:59 |
| @kanzure | because humanityplus is a terrible organization | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | see, if you are a transhumanist, and you sit down and think "geeze let's organize transhumanists and go do projects"... humanityplus is not what you come up with at all | 19:00 |
| @kanzure | skorket: you alone have achieved more on your cnc project in the last few months than humanityplus has achieved in 10 years. | 19:00 |
| eudoxia | does humanityplus still do those h+ summits? | 19:01 |
| skorket | My only point was that your concern of them being a shitty organization is a legitimate grievance. Them confusing the name isn't | 19:01 |
| eudoxia | I liked your (kanzure) presentation more than anything I saw on that sing summit thing | 19:01 |
| skorket | and what happened with them...it seems like they sort of had the right idea. And weren't you part of their organization kanzure? | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: thank you. i tried to make a presentation that /i/ would like to see. | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | skorket: i joined the organization because i thought i could change them. i was wrong. | 19:02 |
| skorket | are you no longer with them? | 19:02 |
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| @kanzure | correct. | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | i left when they started to threaten to sue me. | 19:03 |
| skorket | yikes | 19:03 |
| skorket | over the name of the irc channel? | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | no | 19:04 |
| Lukas | what's up gents? | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: i hated your news article and you should feel bad about yourself | 19:05 |
| eudoxia | why would they threaten to sue you? | 19:05 |
| Lukas | ouch | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: natasha vita-more is a film-maker. that's why she makes films. she's never implied she had hardware expertise or inclinations. | 19:05 |
| Lukas | was this the Wired article? | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | it was the one that sucked | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | i dunno if it was wired. sounds like a thing wired would write though. | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: they were angry that i wasn't going to volunteer my time writing drupal software or something | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | for hplusmagazine | 19:07 |
| skorket | is there any organization doing what h+ set out to do? | 19:07 |
| eudoxia | was that around the time you transferred everything to wordpress or something? | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | skorket: WTA didn't set out to do much except collect membership fees. so i don't see why that's a good thing :). | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: yessir | 19:07 |
| eudoxia | skorket: well Steel/cpopell is putting together this research organization thing | 19:08 |
| @kanzure | skorket: honestly, i think we have more transhumanist talent in this irc channel than WTA ever had. | 19:08 |
| eudoxia | we have a wiki, so, I guess that's more than anything humanityplus has ever done | 19:08 |
| @kanzure | you have a wiki because you refuse to use the hplusroadmap wiki :| | 19:08 |
| eudoxia | sigh | 19:08 |
| Lukas | so, uh, its nice to see you too kanzure | 19:09 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: still mad at you | 19:09 |
| eudoxia | 1) horrible interface that looks like it was written in 1998 2) can't even get a list of all articles without installing a plugin 3) security warnings after every click 4) two or four bytes of info tops, were the reasons I didn't contribute to your wiki when I found it | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | it's just not useful to go around talking shit about biohackers | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: i honestly don't see why you did that. | 19:10 |
| eudoxia | now our wiki has a shitbutload of information, so why not use that one instead= | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: you could maybe claim it was the reporter's bias, but i sort of doubt it.. | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: ok for #1 i offered to make it look precisely like monobook.css from mediawiki | 19:10 |
| eudoxia | after our wiki had ten times the data diyhpluswiki had | 19:10 |
| Lukas | let me see which part of the article you are upset about | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: #2 there's indexes | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: #3 stop using a web browser if you don't care about https | 19:11 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: or you can fix that | 19:11 |
| skorket | eudoxia, link? | 19:11 |
| eudoxia | http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Main_Page | 19:12 |
| jrayhawk | fix who what with the where now | 19:13 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia is complaining about "security warnings" | 19:13 |
| eudoxia | I click on history and I get an SSL Error and oh god what's going on the screen's all red please help me | 19:13 |
| docl | using diyhpluswiki signals that you care more | 19:14 |
| jrayhawk | oh. yeah, I can fix that if you add an diyhpl.us MX record over to mail.svcs.cs.pdx.edu | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: http://gnusha.org/logs/2012-09-04.log | 19:14 |
| jrayhawk | or i guess i could iptables that over | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: you should consider just using your normal text editors | 19:14 |
| @kanzure | why hasn't mark sims emailed me a backup of his mediawiki installation for nanoengineer stuff. >:| | 19:14 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: what do you mean? directly comitting to the git repo of the wiki? | 19:15 |
| @kanzure | yeah | 19:16 |
| eudoxia | but think of all the idiots who can barely use github and want to contribute to an h+ wiki? | 19:17 |
| eudoxia | kanz just think of the idiots | 19:17 |
| @kanzure | you are not an idiot | 19:18 |
| eudoxia | still, that thing that steel keeps saying about the barrier to entry | 19:19 |
| @kanzure | what contributions is he going to make exactly? | 19:19 |
| Lukas | For the record, I never really implied that this would be mainstream | 19:19 |
| eudoxia | people are put off if they have to learn how to use git to contribute to something where in any other case they just sign up and start writing on a nice web interface | 19:20 |
| Lukas | you'd have to take that up with Tim | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: i think it's just too hostile dude | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: how about instead of being secretive and hateful of biohackers, you put up a git repo and share what you're working on. | 19:20 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: what people are we talking about exactly? | 19:21 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: you? me? jrayhawk? | 19:21 |
| eudoxia | potential contributors | 19:21 |
| Lukas | I suppose I am guilty of association. Again, I didn't say any of those things. I was asked about Vita-Moore, and I said I was indifferent. That was pretty much it | 19:22 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: :( | 19:22 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: are you certain you want your git author string to be "jrayhawk+gnusha@omgwallhack.org <jrayhawk+gnusha@omgwallhack.org>" for nanoengineer? | 19:23 |
| Lukas | what do you want me to say? You can ask Tim yourself, he is the combative one, and he will admit it openly | 19:23 |
| Lukas | I am trying to promote our projects, anything else that is said that isn't quoted from me should not be my problem | 19:24 |
| @kanzure | i think we are all responsible for how we promote ourselves. that's why i got all over lepht. that's why i get all over humanityplus. | 19:25 |
| @kanzure | still, how about some version control goodness for those projects.. | 19:26 |
| Lukas | I just want you to know that we are not being hostile to anyone. If we express our opinion on Lepht, biohack.me gets pissed, someone asks us about Vita-moore, other people get upset | 19:27 |
| @kanzure | nobody gets upset about vita-more. but saying "biohackers like vita-more aren't doing anything" is silly because vita-more doesn't focus on those types of projects- her most recent projects have been film and a phd thesis. | 19:28 |
| @kanzure | like why not mention biocurious instead or something | 19:28 |
| Lukas | Vita-moore was only mentioned in the article because the reporter asked - and we expressed apathy. A few other people spoke to use about biocurious and genspace and I told them that their focus is different that ours | 19:30 |
| jrayhawk | oh, that is a mediocre author string. meh, too lazy to fix it. | 19:30 |
| @kanzure | i think biocurious' closest project is their 3d cell printer | 19:30 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: may i fix? | 19:31 |
| jrayhawk | I suppose. | 19:31 |
| jrayhawk | I guess Joe Rayhawk <jrayhawk+nanoengineer@omgwallhack.org> might be better. | 19:31 |
| @kanzure | okie dokie | 19:31 |
| jrayhawk | Keep in mind you'll have to rebuildrepo nanoengineer afterwards (or pinyconfig nanoengineer piny.ikiwiki false) | 19:32 |
| Lukas | @kanzure: are we good? | 19:32 |
| jrayhawk | 'denynonfastforwards=FALSE' EMPHASIS | 19:33 |
| jrayhawk | WE'RE MAD ABOUT MERGES! | 19:33 |
| @kanzure | Lukas: probably | 19:33 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: just remember to save ~/.bash_history with all these git commands so i can submit it to fiverr to get sung up into a git song. | 19:34 |
| @kanzure | is this a good time to use git commit --ammend? i use filter-branch so often that i sort of default to that.. | 19:34 |
| Lukas | probably? Next time I'll make it clear that I don't want lines drawn. We are all looking for the same thing here - enhancing humanity | 19:35 |
| @kanzure | *amend | 19:36 |
| @kanzure | i think this leaves a superfluous commit string that leads to me | 19:37 |
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| jrayhawk | amend will probably work fine | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | obviously with --author | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | yeah but now it says "Committer: Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> 2012-09-18 21:32:38" | 19:38 |
| @kanzure | i guess that's truth :/ | 19:38 |
| jrayhawk | a fair indication that I am a lazy asshole | 19:39 |
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| gnusha | nanoengineer.git: cbf6297 chroot: adding direct rendering instructions | 19:40 |
| Lukas | I am off to bed. I hope we can speak on better terms next time kanzure | 19:46 |
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| gnusha | nanoengineer.git: f2d8861 whitespace crusading | 19:46 |
| gnusha | nanoengineer.git: abae3c8 tab crusading (python files) | 19:46 |
| gnusha | nanoengineer.git: 6403956 Merge pull request #2 from kanzure/whitespace-crusading | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: what is your opinion on whitespace in .cpp/.h files? there's a few thousand files that seem to all use \t. the python files were mixed though. | 19:47 |
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| jrayhawk | I thought whitespace was semantic in python? | 19:47 |
| jrayhawk | or are spaces and tabs interchangable | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | well it turns out that you can mix \t and whitespace | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | just, everyone will hate you for it | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | as they should. | 19:48 |
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| @kanzure | in some files it was even worse though.. \t was set to 2x. | 19:48 |
| jrayhawk | when in doubt, do as linux does. document coding style in a central location and enforce it vigorously. | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | it looks like most .cpp files in nanoengineer use \t so i figure i should just leave it be since it's at least consistent? | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | oh, true. i should do that. | 19:50 |
| jrayhawk | i guess 'do as linux does' only works if you're willing to alienate folks | 19:50 |
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| @kanzure | what folks.. there's like two committers: you and nmz787. | 19:50 |
| jrayhawk | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/CodingStyle | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | hm i wonder why there's cad/tests/ and cad/src/tests/ | 19:52 |
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| @kanzure | some of the code is hilarious | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/model/chem.py | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | 200 lines of import statements. | 19:58 |
| @kanzure | DEBUG_1779 = False # do not commit with True, but leave the related code in for now [bruce 060414] | 19:59 |
| jrayhawk | man, it sure is nice to live in an era where branching works | 20:00 |
| jrayhawk | a codingstyle-enforcing megapatch would make rebasing against the original codebase difficult, if'n that happens to be a concern. | 20:01 |
| @kanzure | i doubt anyone has patches laying around for the old code base | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | my python whitespace changes are sane defaults and i don't think nmz787 is introducing tabs | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | OR IS HE | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/nmz787/nanoengineer/tree/ubuntu-fixes | 20:02 |
| jrayhawk | NO ONE SUSPECTS THE TRANSISH INQUISITION | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | i need to figure out where i can start unit testing this beast | 20:04 |
| @kanzure | without tests this is doomed | 20:04 |
| @kanzure | wtf x10 https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/files/mmp/mmpformat_versions.py#L43 | 20:07 |
| eudoxia | is that... supposed to be a version list? | 20:09 |
| skorket | hey nmz787 | 20:09 |
| @kanzure | a lot of this code is bad because it doesn't separate the GUI from the backend code | 20:09 |
| @kanzure | so all of the import statements end up requiring stuff that requires opengl | 20:09 |
| @kanzure | why is this here? https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/tools/old/reindent.py | 20:12 |
| @kanzure | i guess nanoengineer started before "hey let's run our own python package index" was a common thought. | 20:12 |
| JayDugger | Well...$22,000 for a page-turning robot. Awesome. | 20:18 |
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| jrayhawk | okay, https://secure.diyhpl.us will involve less warning, now | 20:49 |
| jrayhawk | also, email to bryan and kanzure @diyhpl.us does a thing | 20:50 |
| @kanzure | oh noes, email | 20:50 |
| jrayhawk | ha ha ha you will never escape | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | hi skorket | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | i tried looking for any public grbl commits | 21:40 |
| skorket | https://github.com/abetusk/grbl | 21:40 |
| skorket | nothing earth shattering, just put some code in the main interrupt that drives the stepper motors | 21:41 |
| skorket | every step it issues now adds to the global position counters | 21:41 |
| skorket | but it means you can have real time feedback as to where each of the motor positions are | 21:41 |
| skorket | as long as you haven't overrun the event buffer | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | it didnt count steps before? | 21:42 |
| skorket | not exactly | 21:44 |
| skorket | it has what are essential key frames | 21:44 |
| skorket | each key frame passes the number of steps to issue to the drivers at a lower level | 21:45 |
| skorket | but once it passes it off to the subsystem, it just assumes it works and doesn't update anything else | 21:45 |
| skorket | not sure if that made sense | 21:45 |
| skorket | for example: start at (0,0), go to (1, 2), go to (5, 5). The (0,0) -> (1,2) would generate a structure to tell it to step (x,y) steps to get from (0, 0) to (1,2) but would just update to (1,2) after it passes it off to the subsystem | 21:46 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | so why do you want the global counter? | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | if you're not checking it against some encoder or current sense thing (to see if the stepper skips steps) | 21:51 |
| skorket | real time (ish) feedback | 21:54 |
| skorket | I ask it to move to 50mm, 80mm from 0mm, 0mm, it's going to take time | 21:54 |
| skorket | I want to wait till it gets there to start issuing more commands | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | i will have to play with grbl as-is before I think of porting it to propeller, etc... | 21:55 |
| nmz787 | maybe its good enough? | 21:56 |
| skorket | or, if you like, if you build in a feed back system you can now check it against where grbl thinks it is | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | i have been thinking of accelleration stuff lately | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | and i think that I should use a chirp function as the model | 21:56 |
| skorket | I like grbl. So far it's been good. But I needed the feedback | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | since it continuously increases in frequency | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | i also want to incorporate seemless/automatic microstepping transitioning | 21:57 |
| skorket | yeah, not something I'm really familiar with. You should take a look at grbl though, I think it has a lot of that stuff in there | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | so you start out doing say 1/16th microstepping, then when you pickup speed, change over to 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, then full stepping | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | then the opposite on slow down | 21:58 |
| skorket | hmm, yeah, you have to be careful | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | unless grbl or whatever i use can handle microstepping at full speed | 21:58 |
| skorket | again, this is something that I'm not that familiar with | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | or if I don't end up microstepping | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | too much theoretical stuff, will need to experiment | 21:59 |
| skorket | You want to do microstepping, even if you're trying to go fast, if your electronics can handle, from what I understand | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/103zqo/reddit_where_do_you_live/ | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: large dataset of reddit user locations | 21:59 |
| skorket | From experimentation, going at full step introduces a lot of vibration into the machine | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | well certain steppers are shitty at microstepping | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | if they are designed for high holding torque especially | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | because the magnetic field doesn't follow a sine wave | 22:00 |
| skorket | microstepping is not just about increased accuracy/resolution | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | it's peaky at the teeth (where the electromagnets pull the spindle at) | 22:00 |
| skorket | or rather, it's about increasing resolution but not necessarily increasing accuracy | 22:00 |
| skorket | to me, if you wanted to really have that fine control over the microstepping, I would set up a system where you could control it programatically and keep track of where each motor is in it's cycle | 22:02 |
| skorket | make sure to only 'land' on full steps where you need it, but for non critical positioning, use microstepping | 22:03 |
| skorket | or something like that. | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | maybe | 22:03 |
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| nmz787 | i was thinking that keeping track of things could be useful for bringing the cutter back to 0,0 position, but also such that the motors are on the same tooth | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | so 0,0 is always 0 degrees, 0 degrees | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | vs starting at 0,0 moving around and coming back to 0,0 but not having the motor be at the same degree of rotation | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | i think it would improve reproducibility | 22:05 |
| skorket | well, if things are set up properly, that should never happen | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | but maybe not :/ | 22:05 |
| skorket | the only way that would happen is if you missed some steps | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | yeah i guess | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | sure | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | http://news.discovery.com/space/warp-drive-possible-nasa-tests-100yss-120917.html | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | pretty cool | 22:11 |
| nmz787 | no journal citation | 22:12 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: lolz | 22:18 |
| nmz787 | ? | 22:19 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: check the logs. you're missing out. | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: basically we were hating on delinquentme for believing that "warp drive is now possible" because of that news article | 22:26 |
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| @kanzure | and then you linked to it, and yashgaroth dropped out the channel on purpose. | 22:26 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 22:28 | |
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| nmz787 | o | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | i saw delinquentme post it on facebook | 22:32 |
| nmz787 | :P | 22:32 |
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| nmz787 | i dont see the logs | 22:47 |
| brownies | well, it's the sort of thing he would post | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | nmz787: yesterday thing | 23:08 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: do you know about this http://dfmsummit.com/ | 23:21 |
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