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| gene_hacker | freecad is very much not dead | 00:00 |
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| gene_hacker | http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Release_notes_0.16 | 00:01 |
| maaku | What was the group that did Darwinian evolution of programs. | 00:01 |
| gene_hacker | which one? | 00:01 |
| gene_hacker | there are a bunch of groups that do that | 00:01 |
| gene_hacker | in fact, here is an example of how to do that: http://www.cleveralgorithms.com/nature-inspired/evolution/grammatical_evolution.html | 00:02 |
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| maaku | I am remembering a pre-AI-winter research group that did darwinean evolution of programs written in a restricted machine language competing for memory & cpu time | 00:38 |
| maaku | google is failing me | 00:38 |
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| maaku | ah found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_organism | 00:41 |
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| wrldpc1 | Where do you guys source HGH? | 05:22 |
| wrldpc1 | I’m in Japan and I think regulations are rather lax here, but I’m ignorant of good reputable sources. | 05:22 |
| __mz_o | a) wrong channel | 05:27 |
| __mz_o | b) search the googles | 05:27 |
| Jawmare | wrldpc1, I synthesized them from scartch | 05:29 |
| __mz_o | thats sweet | 05:30 |
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| kanzure | how is this the wrong channel for human growth hormone? | 06:16 |
| kanzure | maaku: there are many of those; see http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/The%20evolution%20of%20self-replicating%20computer%20organisms%20-%20A.%20N.%20Pargellis.pdf and avida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avida | 06:18 |
| kanzure | "A second major difference is that the virtual CPUs of different organisms can run at different speeds, such that one organism executes, for example, twice as many instructions in the same time interval as another organism. The speed at which a virtual CPU runs is determined by a number of factors, but most importantly, by the tasks that the organism performs: logical computations that the organisms can carry out to reap extra CPU speed ... | 06:19 |
| kanzure | ... as bonus." | 06:19 |
| __mz_o | it was ealrly and he was asking for sourcing | 06:22 |
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| kanzure | "Testing quantised inertia in the emdrive" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1604.03449v1.pdf | 06:35 |
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| kanzure | forrest suggests using bladerf to do proximity-based phone identification for my meetlog/everyone-ever database thing (spoof a tower) | 10:33 |
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| kanzure | "high frontier" board game http://i.imgur.com/Oj5XfO5.jpg | 10:52 |
| kanzure | all of the cards or patent things in their tech tree have references to actual papers on that speculative tech | 10:55 |
| kanzure | "I've found a lot of papers through this guy, everything from modern superconductor based solar sails to old 50s magnetohydrodynamic generators" | 10:55 |
| kanzure | "you can infer things about people's existing positions in idea space, what topics and introductions need to be made in order to move it towards the ideal | 10:56 |
| kanzure | er.. bad paste. that is unrelated. | 10:56 |
| JayDugger | I backed that Kickstarter, kanzure. | 10:56 |
| JayDugger | The game hasn't yet arrived, though. | 10:57 |
| kanzure | "you can infer things about people's existing positions in idea space, what topics and introductions need to be made in order to move it towards the ideal; 20 question intros. based on the data set and their answers to their first question. don't ask about they are interested in food, that's not very helpful, but finding out they are interested in cryonics, that's very helpful. what are the information maximizing questions to ask? this ... | 10:57 |
| kanzure | ... can be computed from the previous data." | 10:57 |
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| kanzure | "if you know how they know them, not just a brownian motion person from the street, then the questions you would ask would be changed by the connectivity structure -- like in this office, you probably don't have to ask if they know about bitcoin" | 10:59 |
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| kanzure | defcon has transcripts of all their videos, apparently | 11:14 |
| chris_99 | the defcon vids aren't online yet are they? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | don't seem to be | 11:19 |
| kanzure | it looks like they delay release of transcripts too. wtf? | 11:19 |
| chris_99 | hmm, the slides are online though | 11:20 |
| chris_99 | weird | 11:21 |
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| kanzure | dragoncon is this weekend in atlanta | 13:01 |
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| kanzure | https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-donkey-kong-can-tell-us-about-how-study-brain | 14:23 |
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| docl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW55cViXu6s | 14:34 |
| docl | .title | 14:34 |
| yoleaux | Should We Build a Dyson Sphere? | Space Time | PBS Digital Studios - YouTube | 14:34 |
| docl | Gets the mass requirement issue drastically wrong around 6:47 | 14:36 |
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| docl | "Also, we need a mega structure to harvest it, with a raw material requirement close to that of all the terrestrial planets in the solar system." | 14:44 |
| docl | Umm, no. You need a megastructure about a tenth the mass of the asteroid Pallas. | 14:45 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: space comms is a good reason for bio-based radio indeed (and, c'mon man, don't constrain yourself to just proteins) | 15:40 |
| nmz787_i | justanotheruser: yeah use my python-brlcad-tcl library, see if you can manage something useful | 15:41 |
| nmz787_i | justanotheruser: it should just require Python, BRLCAD (windows or linux, as long as it's on the system PATH), and meshlab or something to visualise as STL files (simply a more convenient GUI than BRLCAD provides by default) | 15:42 |
| nmz787_i | justanotheruser: the API is definitely in-progress... but the examples I have should enable you to get going pretty quickly | 15:42 |
| nmz787_i | genehacker: very interesting on the freecad stuff... looks pretty nice... I can't remember if there was discussion to hook it up to BRLCAD as a back-end | 15:45 |
| nmz787_i | my concern is model computational stability, etc... which BRLCAD claims to be quite cautious and thorough in regards to (since MEMS seems to span such big dynamic range) | 15:46 |
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| kanzure | what is your non-protein radio thing? | 17:05 |
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| nmz787_i | oh I was just saying not to prematurely limit your scope... like, maybe your protein needs some cofactor | 17:11 |
| nmz787_i | maybe the protein is really just an ion pump/channel and you move charge between vessicles to elicit output, idk | 17:12 |
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| superkuh | I don't understand the want or need for a "bio radio". It seems absurd. | 17:46 |
| superkuh | Might as well make a biological hydraulic press. | 17:46 |
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| superkuh | Althought that makes significantly more sense than a bio radio. | 17:47 |
| superkuh | Especially for space where bio stuff is even more of a hassle. | 17:50 |
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| xentrac | superkuh: well, radio allows you to transmit at high bit rates at low power over long distances. maybe light can do that too. self-replication is pretty fundamentally important, and life by some definitions already has that down | 18:52 |
| kanzure | non-biological self-replicating nanotech would probably be better if we had any of that | 19:01 |
| kanzure | agreed re: optical stimulation, especially since that's already working. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | hm, if the water gets frozen, that might not be so bad, cells can survive that. | 19:07 |
| kanzure | "The diurnal cycle of water ice on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko" http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v525/n7570/full/nature14869.html | 19:08 |
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| kanzure | also you could conceivably use a liquid medium that is not water with favorable characteristics for vacuum and such.... | 19:17 |
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| nmz787_i | xentrac: haven't heard of fiber-optic internet, re: "radio allows you to transmit at high bit rates at low power over long distances. maybe light can do that too." ? | 19:43 |
| nmz787_i | superkuh: you might say bio-presses already exist... things like hands, lobster claws, that mantis shrimp, mushrooms/fungal-fruitbodies, plant roots | 19:45 |
| nmz787_i | superkuh: also with theories like panspermia, bio stuff in space seems useful | 19:46 |
| kanzure | "spores" and such are one thing; but we need self-replication in the vacuum of space. | 19:46 |
| nmz787_i | biotech and nanotech are going to converge eventually anyway, so not sure why any of this seems odd | 19:46 |
| nmz787_i | I have a feeling a coconut would survive depressurisation | 19:47 |
| kanzure | free floating palm trees? | 19:48 |
| kanzure | can't mix gases that well, without mixing equipment etc | 19:49 |
| nmz787_i | hmm? I just mean an organ we can 'cut and paste' so to speak, that would shield vacuum nicely | 19:50 |
| nmz787_i | a coconut is a single cell | 19:50 |
| kanzure | still need to grow coconuts | 19:50 |
| nmz787_i | yeah but that doesn't have to look like a tree | 19:51 |
| nmz787_i | seems like you'd need a lobster tree | 19:51 |
| nmz787_i | something with a silica exoskeleton or something | 19:51 |
| kanzure | http://img13.deviantart.net/dcb2/i/2006/191/2/e/the_wonderous_lobster_tree_by_soudaiya.png | 19:51 |
| nmz787_i | more like the inversion of that | 19:52 |
| nmz787_i | where the lobsters are the bark and leaves | 19:52 |
| nmz787_i | with coconuts growing | 19:52 |
| nmz787_i | the proclaimed 'antilobster tree' | 19:52 |
| nmz787_i | I can't find a better pic than the one you just posted, but here's a tree-shaped picnic table that is pretty sweet: http://i.imgur.com/2Jmu2RF.jpg | 19:54 |
| superkuh | How do you even do wires with biology? | 20:01 |
| superkuh | The antenna at least is going to have to be some long metallic conductor. | 20:02 |
| superkuh | Kind of defeats the point. | 20:02 |
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| xentrac | nmz787_i: well, yes, if you can run fiber optic cables, sure. and you can do Ronja kind of stuff over larger distances. but a bio-radio might be more practical than a bio-Ronja. (Or vice versa.) | 20:38 |
| xentrac | superkuh: you probably need something like a firing squad automaton to replace the antenna, or maybe even a local optical signal (from a bio-laser? made of GFP?) | 20:40 |
| xentrac | also for a variety of reasons the Deep Space Network uses microwaves rather than light | 20:41 |
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| nmz787_ | sup | 21:28 |
| nmz787_ | superkuh: check out the wires in geobacter if you really want wires... but realistically molecules are just semiconductors that can move around... so it isn't too hard to stretch it to think we can scale a bio-cell up a bit or down a bit to either encapsulate a radio topology in a single cell or amongst a network of small cells or some exudate of them. | 21:31 |
| superkuh | Wrong scale. | 21:32 |
| superkuh | It's not just a bit. Even 8 GHz stuff is going to need many cm long good conductors that aren't suspended in resistive goo. | 21:34 |
| superkuh | And an 8 GHz biological oscillator? Now that's far fetched. | 21:35 |
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| superkuh | All the bio electrical signaling stuff works because it doesn't really do long distance current flow. | 21:36 |
| superkuh | Tens of nanometer paths. | 21:36 |
| xentrac | FDM isn't the only kind of radio :) | 21:36 |
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| xentrac | but you may not need the cells themselves to be the radio if you can get them to build one | 21:41 |
| kanzure | btw i would expect any radio system like this to be absurdly slow beyond all patience | 21:42 |
| kanzure | well i guess that's not fair, ion channel switching time can be fast. | 21:42 |
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| xentrac | I wrote a thing about ultraslow radio a while back: https://www.mail-archive.com/kragen-tol@canonical.org/msg00303.html | 21:43 |
| xentrac | but in a terrestrial context | 21:43 |
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| kanzure | not this kragen person again | 21:43 |
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| xentrac | if you were building stuff in space you might be able to use large resonating chambers instead of lumped-element circuits | 21:45 |
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| xentrac | this post contains the tidbit that 春秋 has a bandwidth of around one bit per day | 21:49 |
| kanzure | er clumps of stuff is what cells do best | 21:50 |
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| nmz787_ | superkuh: I don't get why you think semiconductor electronics in a poorly understood media is far-fetched... it is just poorly understood (and that is pretty rapidly changing) | 22:02 |
| nmz787_ | superkuh: bio-stuff is just nanofactories... they can poop out tree-scale objects... they've done the proof-of-concept more than enough for me | 22:04 |
| kanzure | yes but he is asking for a demonstration of metal placement of sufficient fidelity for radio | 22:06 |
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| superkuh | I guess I'm still wondering "Why bother?" If it's because you're going to grow a radio from in-situ resources on some comet from a cell colony then, okay, but that's pretty much magic and with that magic you could grow anything. | 22:13 |
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| superkuh | And geobacter wires aren't really conductors? Their wire in shape and they transfer charge but they don't transfer charge fast like a conductor with free electrons. | 22:16 |
| superkuh | They're. | 22:17 |
| nmz787_ | this says 'metal like' http://mbio.asm.org/content/6/2/e00084-15.full | 22:17 |
| nmz787_ | but I agree you could probably grow quite a lot of magical things | 22:17 |
| nmz787_ | but the world is already full of those, so it really isn't terribly surprising to me | 22:18 |
| nmz787_ | superkuh: why bother is because electronics manufacturers want cheaper fab... they don't /like/ spending billions of dollars on a fab to get radio chips | 22:19 |
| nmz787_ | the shorter answer is: to make money or profit in another way | 22:20 |
| kanzure | 22:19 <@gmaxwell> kanzure: some of that suffers from excessive handwave and dreaming without engineering expirence in the relevant area (something I'm often guilty of), very low bitrates at very low power suffer from decohearence. You can't accomulate 1000 seconds of CDMA data to decode your bit because the paths are not stable over those kinds of timeframes; in fact, unless all the communicating parties have pret | 22:20 |
| kanzure | 22:19 <@gmaxwell> ty good atomic clocks, their _oscillators_ aren't stable enough over that kind of timeframe to usefully decode the signal. | 22:20 |
| kanzure | cc xentrac http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-08-31.log | 22:20 |
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| superkuh | re: geobacter wire conductivity, oh. Wow. That's cool. Glad to be wrong. | 22:21 |
| nmz787_ | kanzure: i never personally mentioned ultra long distances... I'd be happy if it worked in a 100ft radius max... and if I could be selective with where I threw my signal/received from | 22:21 |
| nmz787_ | i just don't want to use my mouth | 22:21 |
| kanzure | 100 ft radius in space? | 22:21 |
| nmz787_ | space, wherever.. as long as the media if present allows signal propagation, who cares? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | 22:22 <@gmaxwell> kanzure: fwiw, people doing low power communications is a standard ham challenge, search string: QRP. And what you find is that the lower the power the more insane the hardware and DSP becomes, not simple 'steampunk' things like the writeup suggests. :) | 22:22 |
| nmz787_ | what steampunk writeup? | 22:28 |
| kanzure | see http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-08-31.log near the bottom | 22:30 |
| kanzure | near 21:59 | 22:30 |
| kanzure | or http://gnusha.org/logs/2016-08-31.log | 22:31 |
| kanzure | near 21:43 | 22:31 |
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| nmz787_ | oh, I read that already | 22:36 |
| kanzure | interwebs are a confusing thing | 22:37 |
| nmz787_ | I didn't remember seeing any references to steam or punks | 22:42 |
| nmz787_ | people's words can be a confusing thing | 22:42 |
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