From: NVK <rodolfo@coinkite•com>
To: Ava Chow <lists@achow101•com>
Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:48:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <122D31E5-5571-44DC-8DA8-E92E70598196@coinkite.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <070755a0-10e9-4903-9524-dd8ef98c1c8b@achow101.com>
Good number of people.
Looking forward and congrats.
> On Apr 20, 2024, at 14:30, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform
> everyone of what will happen on Monday.
>
> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there
> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email.
> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
> April 22nd.
>
> Ava
>
>> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
>> wrote:
>> While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at
>> once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the
>> nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual
>> objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objections
>> to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share
>> their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed
>> by many others.
>>
>> Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current
>> counts are:
>> * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
>> * Murch - 13 for
>> * Jonatack - 13 for
>> * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
>> * Roasbeef - 9 for
>> * Michael Folkson - none
>>
>> However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and
>> require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process
>> be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by
>> achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of
>> these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who
>> have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list
>> seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone really
>> wants to deal with.
>>
>> I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted
>> on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached out
>> to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and
>> Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public
>> confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not
>> received a response from Roasbeef.
>>
>> Ava
>>
>> On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
>>>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
>>> majority.
>>>
>>> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having
>>> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which people
>>> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up
>>> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not
>>> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up
>>> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from
>>> their expectations.
>>>
>>> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and
>>> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we need
>>> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking off).
>>>
>>> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.
>>> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track
>>> record in the space
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30 PM nvk <rdlfnvk@gmail•com
>>> <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail•com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for
>>> Kanzure
>>> RubenSomsen
>>> Seccour
>>> Jon Atack
>>> Roasbeef
>>>
>>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
>>> majority.
>>>
>>> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
>>>
>>> I'd like to return to that.
>>>
>>> - NVK (temp gmail account)
>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54 PM UTC-4 David A. Harding wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>>>> Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I
>>> like Bob!".
>>>
>>> Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears
>>> to be
>>> the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks denote
>>> candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>>>
>>> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
>>> Stewart[3],
>>> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
>>> Black[11],
>>> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>>> Carvalho[16]
>>>
>>> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
>>> Michael
>>> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>>> Carvalho[16]
>>>
>>> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
>>> /dev/fd0[5][7],
>>> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
>>> Carvalho[16]
>>>
>>> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
>>> Stewart[3], John
>>> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
>>> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>>>
>>> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keagan
>>> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
>>> Riard[12],
>>> Ava Chow[14]
>>>
>>> - Michael Folkson*
>>>
>>> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
>>> "non-dev
>>> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and
>>> Antoine
>>> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>>>
>>> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
>>> candidates had been especially active there, which is listed
>>> below as:
>>> total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>>>
>>> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>>> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>>> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>>> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>>> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>>> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>>>
>>> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to
>>> have a
>>> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
>>> far-along
>>> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
>>> Payments). I
>>> don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>>> demonstrates
>>> familiarity with the process.
>>>
>>> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above with
>>> multiple recommendations from other community participants are
>>> fully
>>> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
>>> justification
>>> for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
>>> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Corallo
>>> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a
>>> draft
>>> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of
>>> all 300
>>> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
>>> reviewed
>>> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>>> significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
>>> documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd
>>> ask him
>>> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already
>>> doing,
>>> so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> [1]
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>>> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.org/>
>>> [10]
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2024-02-27 18:53 [bitcoindev] " 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2024-02-27 20:11 ` [bitcoindev] " 'Léo Haf' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2024-02-27 22:40 ` Luke Dashjr
2024-02-27 22:57 ` 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2024-02-27 23:26 ` Steve Lee
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2024-02-28 16:31 ` Tim Ruffing
2024-03-07 20:56 ` Antoine Riard
2024-03-14 11:56 ` Chris Stewart
2024-03-27 21:25 ` Murch
2024-03-27 23:36 ` Keagan McClelland
2024-03-27 23:39 ` John C. Vernaleo
2024-03-28 13:02 ` Murch
2024-03-28 16:09 ` /dev /fd0
2024-03-28 20:04 ` Matt Corallo
2024-03-28 20:31 ` Antoine Riard
2024-03-28 20:59 ` John C. Vernaleo
2024-03-28 21:19 ` Matt Corallo
2024-03-29 2:34 ` Michael Folkson
2024-03-29 5:24 ` /dev /fd0
2024-03-29 21:08 ` Antoine Riard
2024-03-30 11:51 ` Michael Folkson
2024-03-30 20:01 ` Antoine Riard
2024-03-31 16:01 ` Michael Folkson
2024-04-01 20:14 ` Antoine Riard
2024-04-07 10:11 ` Ali Sherief
2024-04-01 21:13 ` David A. Harding
2024-04-01 23:55 ` /dev /fd0
2024-04-02 0:37 ` 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2024-04-02 13:49 ` /dev /fd0
2024-04-02 14:28 ` Luke Dashjr
2024-04-02 15:13 ` Gloria Zhao
2024-04-02 15:39 ` Luke Dashjr
2024-04-03 15:03 ` Murch
2024-04-02 8:18 ` Michael Folkson
2024-04-02 14:24 ` nvk
2024-04-11 14:22 ` Sergi Delgado Segura
2024-04-15 17:50 ` Matt Corallo
2024-04-16 12:34 ` Tim Ruffing
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2024-03-27 23:54 ` Matt Corallo
2024-03-28 15:50 ` Brandon Black
2024-03-28 19:42 ` Antoine Riard
2024-03-28 20:04 ` Matt Corallo
2024-04-02 13:17 ` [bitcoindev] Time for an update to BIP2? Tim Ruffing
2024-04-03 19:44 ` Pieter Wuille
2024-04-04 5:00 ` Anthony Towns
2024-04-04 9:09 ` Niklas Goegge
2024-04-04 12:58 ` [bitcoindev] Adding New BIP Editors 0xB10C
2024-05-13 18:33 ` [bitcoindev] Time for an update to BIP2? Murch
2024-04-01 18:41 ` [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors Murch
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